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JJohnson
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 01:32 pm |
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Bryan,
Thanks for the response but I would appreciate an answer to my question. What would you instruct the county attorney to do at this point in time? Would you have him drop the case and allow Dale to run his business. Or would you have the county attorney to continue looking for a way to shut him down in favor of a couple of voval long time residents?
By now all of the relevant and pertinent facts have been brought out regarding this case. The courts have spoken and the county has recieved the wrath of national embarassment. As our potential leader what would your course of action be?
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BryanMartyn
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 04:59 am |
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My apologies for not seeing this blog topic sooner.
I am very pleased that this issue is behind us. It was horrible for the county and ultimately, the community.
I will continue to frequent San Tan Flats as it remains a fantastic business model and revenue generating machine for the county.
The lesson learned is that we as a community must remain diligent in our zoning and public input process to keep this from happening again. All sides suffered greatly and we must do things better in the future.
Bryan
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JJohnson
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 03:03 pm |
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So please let me understand what you have said here. If a politician believes the same as their constiuents then they are pandering and that is bad. But if a politician is a half cocked cowboy that bucks the system at every turn despite what the people are saying then they are who you want governing us. That is very enlightening if I have interpreted what you said correctly.
gk wrote:
I usually respond when someone accuses me of being a nutcase, a conspiracy theorist or what ever the current choice of deameaning suggestion one takes. I feel I must defend myself.......lets see............I have been called all kinds of things because I post articles that many of you are very afraid of looking at. Your fear of the unknown that is counter to the lame stream media is palpable. Thus I respond.
THe pandering comment is what I perceive almost every politician does to get elected. They say anything to get elected. Hillary is nototious for it, so is Obamama, Mclame and all the rest.
When I see a politician that states his beliefs and says something that goes against what people expect I see honesty in that person.
If I post something that scares you......don't read it, and don't call me a nut job, thus I will not belittle you in kind. Simple!
So here goes......
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=63522
http://www.marketoracle.net/Article4601.html
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natural_resources/article3879026.ece
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080506/ap_on_go_pr_wh/torture_memo
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/06/washington/06house.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a5_sfGdLYS3E&refer=us
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/fannie-leads-downtrend-sector-after/story.aspx?guid=%7B5CC47749-02B3-4BA2-8A65-186A0976BB5F% 7D&dist=msr_1
http://www.newswithviews.com/Evensen/greg28.htm
Times are bad and they are going to get worse........is this conspiracy fear?
Hell no...it's reality!!!
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 01:08 pm |
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azsunshine wrote: What does all the linked articles have to do with Mr House and Mr Martin ?
Here is something to think about: why does Mr Martin have both Mr Brown and Bambi in his corner? Maybe they are more alike than they are different---but maybe they both think they will get their (different) vision of a better PC from the man. How can two different visionaries both get what they want? Unless of course smoke is being blown up one of their rears.
Why not pose that questiion to the person who can answer it?
As for my part, I am still right on track. I have always been a believer of good planning, where it meets the needs of the people right from the beginning. That has been demonstrated in my posts; my actions; my remarks at the County level; and to Gordon and Bryan, and Todd House, John Acton, Ron Reinegold, John Filmore and all the rest of the Republicans out there that keep calling me for my vote. Good job.
Bryan or any other person who expects to get in office and be a fair and unbiased leader better be demonstrating compassion and empathy for all our needs, including Gordon's and mine. It's up to him, once in office, to maintain that balance. But, first you must attempt to achieve it, and that is what is done during the "primaries" if you will.....the solicitation of as many voters, with different agendas, as you can possible achieve, with the least amount of hard promises. Afterall, he won't know what he's really up against until he enters those golden arches in Florence.
Bryan's only doing what he should do. Seek comprimises from people. That's where Gordon and I are at this point and time. Will it continue? Don't know, as we still have some very strong opinions on commercial developement locations that differ. Gordon and I have both stated that in Bryan's presence. He knows we differ. We know we differ. And God knows, everyone else knows we differ. So what?
I continue on Bryan's path because of many things, but certainly because of his management and leadership qualities, and his great value system. Great Combo. I also know that one of his objectives is to bring economic growth to our community, and everything I have discussed with him and shown to him is in agreement with him. And, Gordon knows Bryan's platform is pro economic developement....it behooves Gordon to stay on Bryan's radar, in hopes of his influence on Bryan being the strongest and having the most impact; thus he's a ....."lobbyist". I, believe the same, and I'm doing the same. It's a part of the system. You "work" the system. Nothing to do with anything going up anyones rearend.
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 11:26 am |
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What does all the linked articles have to do with Mr House and Mr Martin ?
Here is something to think about: why does Mr Martin have both Mr Brown and Bambi in his corner? Maybe they are more alike than they are different---but maybe they both think they will get their (different) vision of a better PC from the man. How can two different visionaries both get what they want? Unless of course smoke is being blown up one of their rears.
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 04:51 am |
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I usually respond when someone accuses me of being a nutcase, a conspiracy theorist or what ever the current choice of deameaning suggestion one takes. I feel I must defend myself.......lets see............I have been called all kinds of things because I post articles that many of you are very afraid of looking at. Your fear of the unknown that is counter to the lame stream media is palpable. Thus I respond.
THe pandering comment is what I perceive almost every politician does to get elected. They say anything to get elected. Hillary is nototious for it, so is Obamama, Mclame and all the rest.
When I see a politician that states his beliefs and says something that goes against what people expect I see honesty in that person.
If I post something that scares you......don't read it, and don't call me a nut job, thus I will not belittle you in kind. Simple!
So here goes......
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=63522
http://www.marketoracle.net/Article4601.html
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natural_resources/article3879026.ece
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080506/ap_on_go_pr_wh/torture_memo
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/06/washington/06house.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a5_sfGdLYS3E&refer=us
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/fannie-leads-downtrend-sector-after/story.aspx?guid=%7B5CC47749-02B3-4BA2-8A65-186A0976BB5F% 7D&dist=msr_1
http://www.newswithviews.com/Evensen/greg28.htm
Times are bad and they are going to get worse........is this conspiracy fear?
Hell no...it's reality!!!
Last edited on Wed May 7th, 2008 04:52 am by gk
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 03:10 am |
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Thouse wrote: I did not know that doing the right thing would be called pandering. We have drug Mr. Bell through the mud long enough. It is time to leave it alone, and the gentleman run his business. In the future Pinal County should leave the rights of businesses alone. Pinal County needs to become a business freindly place, in order to attract more business. This is one way we can lower the taxes. It is not called pandering. Some people just think their morals are superior to others and have no problem letting you or anyone else listening know about it!
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 02:33 am |
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Thouse wrote: I did not know that doing the right thing would be called pandering. We have drug Mr. Bell through the mud long enough. It is time to leave it alone, and the gentleman run his business. In the future Pinal County should leave the rights of businesses alone. Pinal County needs to become a business freindly place, in order to attract more business. This is one way we can lower the taxes.
Todd, please visit http://oursantanfoothills.org
there will be questions over there for you, Bryan, and several others seeking office in our wonderful area. The site is a no-attack site, just honest and open questions and answers, although you may get the tough questions. Thank you
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 02:21 am |
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| I did not know that doing the right thing would be called pandering. We have drug Mr. Bell through the mud long enough. It is time to leave it alone, and the gentleman run his business. In the future Pinal County should leave the rights of businesses alone. Pinal County needs to become a business freindly place, in order to attract more business. This is one way we can lower the taxes.
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JJohnson
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 02:12 pm |
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gk wrote: This is what is called pandering
Is it possible that he believes and stands for the principal of personal property rights? Also is it possible that he is in agreement with the vast majority of the residents out here on this issue? It is only pandering if you make a statement for the sole reason of garnering support. It is a principaled statement if he believes it.
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 01:59 pm |
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JJ. I spoke to a couple of the candidates yesterday about coming on a site and speak to us. I told them that people were asking questions of them. You got your answer, with a jab in between.
They are going to come on my site, to truly test them on their abilities to govern us.
GK...behave yourself please or no candidate will want to come on here for fear of jabs and name calling, which will not promote their cause. Let's find out what their cause is before we annihilate them.
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 01:45 pm |
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gk wrote: This is what is called pandering
Why is it that everytime things go your way it is called justice but when it doesn't it is called an injustice? Why is it when you stand up for someone it is alteristic but when someone else stands up for someone it is pandering? Why is it okay for the BLC to spread personal information but when others merely mention the name of one of your friends it is character assasination? Why is it when you post conspiracy theories we are uninformed but when we report our opinions we are just regergitating mainstream media?
How is it that only you can be correct and everybody else is wrong when they have a differing point of view? How is it that only you know the truth and we are so ignorant of the facts? How is it that you seem to walk on water when the rest of us can't seem to swim?
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 02:53 am |
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| This is what is called pandering
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 02:48 am |
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| I would instruct the county to leave San Tan Flats alone. I would ask the county attorney to put together an apology letter. San Tan Flats is a great asset to Pinal County. I would help to promote his restaurant, and any other business in Pinal County.that needs help. I am grateful that Dale Bell not suing the county, because he can.
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Posted: Thu May 1st, 2008 08:31 pm |
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My question for the candidates is this:
What would you direct the County Attorney to do now that the judge has made his ruling? Is it time for the county to step out?
As our potential leader I think an answer to this question will show us your leadership skills. You will be asked to make decisions if elected that will upset people at times. This can serve as a good example of how you would come to a definitive decision.
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