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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 02:18 pm |
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KeepItRural-QC wrote: Dublin - Just because it called Hunt Highway...does NOT mean its a HIGHWAY ! This road was a dirt road ten years ago, and there are many homes that have their driveways onto Hunt/Empire. This is just dangerous to have the spead limit raised ...especially along Hunt/Empire more than 40 miles per hour. People are going into and out of many driveways along this road, and there are many school bus stops along this road. Wakeup and realize whats around you, instead of saying YEAH lets raise the speed limit so "I CAN" get somewhere quicker !
maybe you should re-read what i wrote because obviously you didn't do a very good job the first time.
we should be going 45-50 mph. we can't do that now bc the roads are to narrow, but if they were wider like Gilbert Rd, or Alma School in Chandler then we could go 45-50 in a residential/commercial area.
is it clearer now that i've underlined it for you, or should i dumb it down some more?
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starleen
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 11:23 am |
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gk wrote: I remember driving down Hunt and seeing the trailers of the "squatters" who set up residence on other people's land.
We have lived here 23 years and I don't ever remember any "squatters" in trailers on Hunt. The owners of the properties often set up mobile homes because it was very sparsely populated and the people that lived here liked it rural.
Never owned a mobile home, but your "squatters" and mobile homes claim, are not the way it was. I can remember only one such instance in 23 years of someone living on land here that was not theirs
I stand corrected and will cross check with my relatives. I'd still like to see data on current residents of the area.
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 05:44 am |
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I remember driving down Hunt and seeing the trailers of the "squatters" who set up residence on other people's land.
We have lived here 23 years and I don't ever remember any "squatters" in trailers on Hunt. The owners of the properties often set up mobile homes because it was very sparsely populated and the people that lived here liked it rural.
Never owned a mobile home, but your "squatters" and mobile homes claim, are not the way it was. I can remember only one such instance in 23 years of someone living on land here that was not theirs
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starleen
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 04:46 am |
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QCVillager wrote: starleen wrote: many of the "rurals weren't there 10 years ago either.
Starleen, how long have you been here ? i have been coming out this way for nearly the 10 years in question and truly, most of the "rurals" were indeed there.
We've been here four years, but my sister has been here over 20 years and I base my remembrances on the sightseeing tours I took over the years on visits. I remember driving down Hunt and seeing the trailers of the "squatters" who set up residence on other people's land. I don't think they are around any more!
It would be interesting to study the actual years in residence of the current property owners in the area.
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QCVillager
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 04:16 am |
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starleen wrote: KeepItRural-QC wrote: Dublin - Just because it called Hunt Highway...does NOT mean its a HIGHWAY ! This road was a dirt road ten years ago, and there are many homes that have their driveways onto Hunt/Empire. This is just dangerous to have the spead limit raised ...especially along Hunt/Empire more than 40 miles per hour. People are going into and out of many driveways along this road, and there are many school bus stops along this road. Wakeup and realize whats around you, instead of saying YEAH lets raise the speed limit so "I CAN" get somewhere quicker !
I don't see the logic in relating the condition of Hunt Highway 10 years ago to the situation today. Johnson Ranch and many of the "rurals weren't there 10 years ago either. Nor do I see "many" driveways other than San Tan Flats that exit directly onto the stretch in question, from Ellworth along the J-curve, which is NOT Empire. The solution that best suits the majority of residents is widening, separation, lights, and turn lanes (and local commerce = local jobs), not a 40 MPH limit for upteen thousands of vehicles. Best follow your own advice to "Wakeup and realize whats around you."
Starleen, how long have you been here ? i have been coming out this way for nearly the 10 years in question and truly, most of the "rurals" were indeed there.
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anne.reed
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 01:39 am |
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starleen wrote:
anne.reed wrote: Dear AJ:
I'm attaching a link to Mapquest that shows that western Hunt Highway is primarily rural and residential. Riggs Road and Empire Road (extends to Gary/Rittenhouse) are slated to move the urban traffic travelling west (and north). You'll need to zoom out 2 notches to see the overview.
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http://www.mapquest.com/maps/Queen+Creek+AZ+85242/#a/maps/l:::Queen+Creek:AZ:85242::33.233199:-111.6248:zip:/m:hyb:10:33.233198:-111.6248:0::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e
Also, until the impact study was complete, exactions rather than impound fees, were collected by Pinal in accordance with the law.
Nice bit of spin, Anne.
Bambi, how old do you suppose that map is?
I don't have enough influence to get Mapquest to provide me with outdated maps. What you see on this map, surrounding Hunt Highway near the J-Curve, is what you don't see from the Highway as you buzz past. Residential, rural, horse property that has been occupied for decades.
No spin required.
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Anne
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Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 05:49 pm |
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anne.reed wrote: Dear AJ:
I'm attaching a link to Mapquest that shows that western Hunt Highway is primarily rural and residential. Riggs Road and Empire Road (extends to Gary/Rittenhouse) are slated to move the urban traffic travelling west (and north). You'll need to zoom out 2 notches to see the overview.
Regards,
Anne
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/Queen+Creek+AZ+85242/#a/maps/l:::Queen+Creek:AZ:85242::33.233199:-111.6248:zip:/m:hyb:10:33.233198:-111.6248:0::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e
Also, until the impact study was complete, exactions rather than impound fees, were collected by Pinal in accordance with the law.
Nice bit of spin, Anne.
Bambi, how old do you suppose that map is?
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Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 05:48 pm |
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KeepItRural-QC wrote: Dublin - Just because it called Hunt Highway...does NOT mean its a HIGHWAY ! This road was a dirt road ten years ago, and there are many homes that have their driveways onto Hunt/Empire. This is just dangerous to have the spead limit raised ...especially along Hunt/Empire more than 40 miles per hour. People are going into and out of many driveways along this road, and there are many school bus stops along this road. Wakeup and realize whats around you, instead of saying YEAH lets raise the speed limit so "I CAN" get somewhere quicker !
I don't see the logic in relating the condition of Hunt Highway 10 years ago to the situation today. Johnson Ranch and many of the "rurals weren't there 10 years ago either. Nor do I see "many" driveways other than San Tan Flats that exit directly onto the stretch in question, from Ellworth along the J-curve, which is NOT Empire. The solution that best suits the majority of residents is widening, separation, lights, and turn lanes (and local commerce = local jobs), not a 40 MPH limit for upteen thousands of vehicles. Best follow your own advice to "Wakeup and realize whats around you."
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Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 03:39 pm |
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| Dublin - Just because it called Hunt Highway...does NOT mean its a HIGHWAY ! This road was a dirt road ten years ago, and there are many homes that have their driveways onto Hunt/Empire. This is just dangerous to have the spead limit raised ...especially along Hunt/Empire more than 40 miles per hour. People are going into and out of many driveways along this road, and there are many school bus stops along this road. Wakeup and realize whats around you, instead of saying YEAH lets raise the speed limit so "I CAN" get somewhere quicker ! Last edited on Sat May 10th, 2008 03:40 pm by KeepItRural-QC
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ajBookchin wrote:
Considering that the impact fees the developers should have been assessed would have been passed directly onto the consumer...
and since the consumers who purchased homes were not required to finance those impact fees when they purchased their homes...
would anyone consider placing the Hunt Highway area under a special taxing district for ten years (or whatever length is appropriate) to provide the additional funding to move road projects forward???
Dear AJ:
I'm attaching a link to Mapquest that shows that western Hunt Highway is primarily rural and residential. Riggs Road and Empire Road (extends to Gary/Rittenhouse) are slated to move the urban traffic travelling west (and north). You'll need to zoom out 2 notches to see the overview.
Regards,
Anne
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/Queen+Creek+AZ+85242/#a/maps/l:::Queen+Creek:AZ:85242::33.233199:-111.6248:zip:/m:hyb:10:33.233198:-111.6248:0::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e
Also, until the impact study was complete, exactions rather than impound fees, were collected by Pinal in accordance with the law. Last edited on Fri May 9th, 2008 01:52 am by anne.reed
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 07:44 pm |
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ajBookchin wrote: Considering that the impact fees the developers should have been assessed would have been passed directly onto the consumer...
and since the consumers who purchased homes were not required to finance those impact fees when they purchased their homes...
would anyone consider placing the Hunt Highway area under a special taxing district for ten years (or whatever length is appropriate) to provide the additional funding to move road projects forward???
That would all depend on the details. Generally speaking? Probably.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 07:33 pm |
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Considering that the impact fees the developers should have been assessed would have been passed directly onto the consumer...
and since the consumers who purchased homes were not required to finance those impact fees when they purchased their homes...
would anyone consider placing the Hunt Highway area under a special taxing district for ten years (or whatever length is appropriate) to provide the additional funding to move road projects forward???
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Dublin Girl
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 05:20 pm |
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2 cents wrote: OMG B., there is no other way out of your property other than into the scene of the wreck?
Dublin, I like the suggestion of widening the road and increasing the speed limit! Yeah, let's have everyone driving 75 miles per hour through a residential/commercial area.
What ever happened to slowing down and smelling the roses. Leave 10 minutes earlier.
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It's a HIGHWAY, we should be going 45-50 mph. we can't do that now bc the roads are to narrow, but if they were wider like Gilbert Rd, or Alma School in Chandler then we could go 45-50 in a residential/commercial area.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 04:09 pm |
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JJohnson wrote: 2 cents wrote: So the solution is to leave at the regular old time and fight the congestion rather than leave 10 minutes early and, perhaps, beat the congestion?
Yup, that'll lower the old stress level! Never mind the roses or the leisurely cup of coffee.
When are people like you going to realize that we need PERMANENT solutions. You live with you head in the sand. The solution is not about leaving 10 minutes early and to drive slower. The solution requires the spending of money and to build roads/lanes. This county needs to get their priorities straight.
Your mentaility is what is holding us back. Commercial zoning needs to be done instead of spot zoning. Roads need to be planned and actually built. Plan Plan Plan. NOT pretend pretend pretend.
JJ. You are right on the mark. Keep preaching it to everyone.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 03:57 pm |
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2 cents wrote: So the solution is to leave at the regular old time and fight the congestion rather than leave 10 minutes early and, perhaps, beat the congestion?
Yup, that'll lower the old stress level! Never mind the roses or the leisurely cup of coffee.
When are people like you going to realize that we need PERMANENT solutions. You live with you head in the sand. The solution is not about leaving 10 minutes early and to drive slower. The solution requires the spending of money and to build roads/lanes. This county needs to get their priorities straight.
Your mentaility is what is holding us back. Commercial zoning needs to be done instead of spot zoning. Roads need to be planned and actually built. Plan Plan Plan. NOT pretend pretend pretend.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 02:13 pm |
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2 cents wrote: OMG B., there is no other way out of your property other than into the scene of the wreck?
Dublin, I like the suggestion of widening the road and increasing the speed limit! Yeah, let's have everyone driving 75 miles per hour through a residential/commercial area.
What ever happened to slowing down and smelling the roses. Leave 10 minutes earlier.
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Should have known the mayhem and tragedy would wake you up out of your slumber.
Yes, I could have gotten out via Gary, the only other exit out of here, the rurals, other than Magma, all dirt and full of holes. But Gary was backed up for an hours wait. Hunt was closed between Gary and Ellsworth. Ask gk. I believe I saw him out there directing traffic at Gary and Hunt.
And Dublin said nothing about 75 miles an hour.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 02:10 pm |
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So the solution is to leave at the regular old time and fight the congestion rather than leave 10 minutes early and, perhaps, beat the congestion?
Yup, that'll lower the old stress level! Never mind the roses or the leisurely cup of coffee.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 02:03 pm |
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2 cents wrote: OMG B., there is no other way out of your property other than into the scene of the wreck?
Dublin, I like the suggestion of widening the road and increasing the speed limit! Yeah, let's have everyone driving 75 miles per hour through a residential/commercial area.
What ever happened to slowing down and smelling the roses. Leave 10 minutes earlier.
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If everyone left 10 minutes earlier the 30 minute bqckup would just start 10 minutes earlier. Some people are just living in a fantasy land. Leaving earlier does not solve the problem that our roads are woefully inadequate. The only solution is more lanes.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 01:57 pm |
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OMG B., there is no other way out of your property other than into the scene of the wreck?
Dublin, I like the suggestion of widening the road and increasing the speed limit! Yeah, let's have everyone driving 75 miles per hour through a residential/commercial area.
What ever happened to slowing down and smelling the roses. Leave 10 minutes earlier.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 12:18 pm |
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DesertHawk wrote: Bambi wrote: " . . . .I am just against pursuing criminals on our highways. Just my personal opinion. I am not against the Sherrif's Dept. as my brother works for the Sheriff. I respect them, but as a citizen of this area, I request they don't pursue criminals on Hunt Hiway, that's all. It has a very vivid history of motor vehicle accidents and the subsequent deaths, because of it's "character". . . . . . . . "
Oh good idea, . . . If your going to commit armed robbery, do it on Riggs Road and head to the safe-haven of Hunt Highway. I suppose you believe that someone who is shooting and killing citizens during the course of armed robbery should not be shot at because of the danger to bystanders. Do you think criminals worry about bystanders when they are deliberately killing victims? Do you live in Disneyland?
The policy of "No Pursuit" just gives all criminals license to run from all crimes committed. So that would just be adding one more to criminal rights and ignoring victims rights.
It appears you live in Sun Lakes.....many lanes on Riggs Rd. that goes by your community. Very nice wide lanes with turning lanes, turning signals, traffic changes; you know; the type of infrastructure that is conducsive to drive on.
Once you live out here and experience this Hunt Hiway Roadway, and all the rest of the negativity that comes as a result of lack of adequate infrastructure out here, then I'll respond to your callous remarks. I live off of Thompson. I could not leave my home till 2:00 p.m., when the roadway was finnaly opened.
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/images/photos/2008/05/07/7mh8f62d.jpg
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/section/local/evsouth
Transportation Corridors? Where will they be? Will they come out to us where all the "roof tops" are located, or will they pander to the Wolfswinlkles, that build the large malls and other commercial ventures? The people or the money?Last edited on Thu May 8th, 2008 01:06 pm by Bambi
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When innocent lives are at stake, something needs to be done to make changes. I am sometimes out late at night, or early in the morning. This could have very easily been me that had been hit, or someone I know.
I know PCSO was just doing their job, but anyone who is stupid enough to rob a gas station, probably doesn't care about anyone else's life. I think Hunt Highway is and will continue to be dangerous as long as people drive like idiots. But widening the road should have been taken care of years ago. Maybe it would have prevented this crash from happening.
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Bambi wrote: " . . . .I am just against pursuing criminals on our highways. Just my personal opinion. I am not against the Sherrif's Dept. as my brother works for the Sheriff. I respect them, but as a citizen of this area, I request they don't pursue criminals on Hunt Hiway, that's all. It has a very vivid history of motor vehicle accidents and the subsequent deaths, because of it's "character". . . . . . . . "
Oh good idea, . . . If your going to commit armed robbery, do it on Riggs Road and head to the safe-haven of Hunt Highway. I suppose you believe that someone who is shooting and killing citizens during the course of armed robbery should not be shot at because of the danger to bystanders. Do you think criminals worry about bystanders when they are deliberately killing victims? Do you live in Disneyland?
The policy of "No Pursuit" just gives all criminals license to run from all crimes committed. So that would just be adding one more to criminal rights and ignoring victims rights.
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 10:38 pm |
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| it does need to be widened and then the speed limit increased....i don't really have an opinion about chasing bc i see both pros and cons. but nothing will change for another 5 yrs i bet.
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 10:31 pm |
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starleen wrote: The article I read in the EVT said, "Deputies spotted a truck a few minutes later matching the description of the one that left the convenience and tried to stop it, but it sped off."
It does not say there was a high speed chase. The subject knew he had been ID'd and sped off. I don't think it is fair to categorize this so quickly as poor judgement on the part of the deputies. It is not a sanitary world, and sometimes you inadvertently make a mess in the process of cleaning one up, due to circustances beyond your control.
I understand your feelings about Hunt Highway but this might not be the best example for your cause. This criminal could have just as likely caused a wreck on four lanes as on two.
Well, what I heard and read was that the Pinal Sherrif's office was in pursuit. It stated the truck was running from the Deputies.
But there weren't 4 lanes. There were just two. And the two lane problem has been with us for many years, causing accidents when people try to pass another vehicle, as this guy was doing. If the extra lane had been there, no need to pass. Same with the last accident. If the extra lane had been there, perhaps the cop could have passed safely, instead of running head on into an innocent citizen.
I drive that area daily. Look at Thompson and Hunt intersection. It appears there was an accident there recently as there is evidence of such That makes about 6 in just the last couple of years. Why? It's because the County had given out all these building permits, without the thought of how it will affect the infrastructure. Allowing the Eduprize school to go in without a traffic signal. Then having to put one in upon demand by the residents, because of the traffic backup....Why didn't they think of that before they gave out the permit? It's a mad house out here, as it carries too much traffic on only two lanes. Then you have the school by the Church, where this accident happened and the last, where there is no turn lane, and won't be until it is widened. That is a future accident just waiting to happen....again. And when it does, there will be no exit out of our area heading West....none. You will have to go north on Gary Rd., and expect a backup of an hour if that happens. Hunt is a major arterial road. It should function as one, as it is the only exit west out of here, carrying over 46,000 residents.
I am just against pursuing criminals on our highways. Just my personal opinion. I am not against the Sherrif's Dept. as my brother works for the Sherrif. I respect them, but as a citizen of this area, I request they don't pursue criminals on Hunt Hiway, that's all. It has a very vivid history of motor vehicle accidents and the subsequent deaths, because of it's "character".
It's time to widen Hunt Hiway. The Job the Developers should have done, except Stan Griffiths decided to take the money and live high of the hog at our expense. And the Developers were left without the responsibility of providing the extra pavement for our safety, and knew they were getting out of that responsibility..... that's what keeps coming back into my mind as I ponder on this accident.
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The article I read in the EVT said, "Deputies spotted a truck a few minutes later matching the description of the one that left the convenience and tried to stop it, but it sped off."
It does not say there was a high speed chase. The subject knew he had been ID'd and sped off. I don't think it is fair to categorize this so quickly as poor judgement on the part of the deputies. It is not a sanitary world, and sometimes you inadvertently make a mess in the process of cleaning one up, due to circustances beyond your control.
I understand your feelings about Hunt Highway but this might not be the best example for your cause. This criminal could have just as likely caused a wreck on four lanes as on two.
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 09:47 pm |
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Pinal County Sheriff investigators look over the scene of an early morning fiery crash along Hunt Highway that took place after a robbery at a convenience store.
They just opened the site. It's been closed all day. Gene was out directing traffic at Gary Rd.
I went by the site. It has been paved over where the holes in the pavement were created. The south side of the road is all burned up.
Now, I think to myself........what if that had been me instead of the semi truck? Or my family? Or your family. This is the second time a Pinal Couinty sherrif officer has been a pursuit of a crime on that portion of Hunt Hiway.
I say we borrow from the Feds if we have to, but we have to widen that road. Had there been four lanes instead of 2, the man would at least still be alive, or would not have engaged any other private citizens in his bizzare turn of events.
How many lives have been taken now on Hunt Hiway in the last 10 years? does anyone know? When I spoke to Pinal 5 or 6 years ago, there had been 13 lives taken. Isn't that enough? Stop chasing these guys in hot pursuit on Hunt Hiway. It serves no purpose but death. He robbed $200. with a knife. How many lives is that worth?
I am intreped about taking Hunt Hiway anywhere. And who am I most afraid of? Not the criminals but the chasers....the cops.
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 08:42 pm |
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Pinal County Sheriff investigators look over the scene of an early morning fiery crash along Hunt Highway that took place after a robbery at a convenience store.
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| heard it happened at 2am and didn't open up again until 10:30am, and all for 200 from the QT. what a waste!!!
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 01:36 pm |
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Well, it's happened again. Hot pursuit of the bad guys down Hunt. Bad guy attempts to pass a car, right by the church and School, where most accidents have been happening on Hunt. Head on into a semi. The one being pursued by the Sherriff was the one killed.
The Hiway will be closed for at least three hours. It's a mess.
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