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Posted: Sat Aug 9th, 2008 03:44 pm

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Visit this website and look at the stories about Sheriff Chris Vasquez and his administration.

http://www.citizenofpinalcounty.com

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Posted: Mon Jul 7th, 2008 05:38 pm

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GG wrote: vote4me, could you please post the link to Babeu's website?

Thank you.

sure..... http://www.sheriffpaul.com

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Posted: Mon Jul 7th, 2008 03:52 pm

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vote4me, could you please post the link to Babeu's website?

Thank you.

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I agree. Vasquez hasn't DESTROYED the county but it is time for some new fresh thinking. Vasquez seems to think you have to be part of law enforcement for decades to understand management. On his website he shows all the law enforcement experience he's had. My question for him WHAT HAS THAT DONE FOR US!??!? Answer: nothing. I fell that Paul has had enough experience to lead as a Major in the National Guard. He understands policing and most important he understands how to lead. Vasquez may have been a law enforcement officer for years but that doesn't make someone a great leader or manager.

AND for Vasquez to think you have to have lived in Pinal County your whole life or that somehow not being a generational resident you can't serve the county he needs to wake up. This county is under development and unprecedented growth and most of the people moving in here aren't from Arizona let alone Pinal County. The Good ole Boys who are 3rd and 4th generation residents are part of the long term nepotism and corruption!

Babeu for Sheriff.

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Posted: Mon Jul 7th, 2008 02:56 pm

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Plagiarism is as plagiarism does, I suppose. In person I am sure Sheriff Vasquez is a nice enough fellow and I do appreciate his efforts to serve our community, but we need original thinking. And we need someone who will lead as the standard for law enforcement for our growing county.

Pinal County, are you weary of the status quo?

Vote for change, vote for Babeu!

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Posted: Mon Jul 7th, 2008 06:10 am

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Vasquez is a dolt. Go Babeu.

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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 12:42 am

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I am thinking anything coming out of Vasquez mouth has probably been said or done before, probably verbatium.

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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 03:48 pm

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Unabashed is right! I can't even beleive this guy Chris Vasquez. I was watching news last night - am almost certain it was Channel 10 but could not find video on myfoxphoenix.com. So anyway, he was interviewed because of his new plan to have Sheriff's Dept work four 10hr days. He made it come off as though it was some great original idea he had. He said "it just came to me one day as I was filling up my gas tank and the price was $85" or something very similar to that.

Oh, yes, this just came to him out of the blue. Never been done before. What a tool! Um, Hello, Mr. Vasquez, you are just too much. Businesses and Government offices alike, all over the valley are either looking at this or have already done so. Please don't insult us with your contention that this is some great ORIGINAL idea that just came to you at the pump that day.

Me thinks your very recent history of admitted plagiarism pretty much clues everyone out her that you DONT have original ideas. Original ideas are one area where you have shown to be lacking. TOOL!

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Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 12:37 am

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and unabashed homerism
Is this a recognition of that great personification of the average American male.........that true visionary and well respected observer of the human condition named Homer Simpson?

Reporters and Columnists are two separate forms of journalism. If you read the post I said columnists ........not reporters. There is a difference.

And again you failed to see the point I was making, let me see if I can simplify it for you further. I am not defending plagiarism or the Sheriff, I was making a comment on the hypocritical attack form the news media when in fact they state facts that are wrong, they misrepresent issues and even the columnist plagiarize as I have been told.

The recent attack on Greg Stanley is a perfect example. Please try to read the posts and understand what they are saying......and not what you like to imagine they are saying

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gk wrote: ted....I know you tried really really hard to put together a coherent thought, and I guess I have to reluctantly give you credit for trying, but...............

To me it was awfully hypocritical for a newspaper to accuse someone of plagiarism while in fact it is a fairly common occurrence in the media. I am not saying plagiarism is OK.......I'm saying that an accusation like that should come from a respectable and unimpeachable source

I did google columnist plagiarism. I found 116,000 instances that were, reluctantly I suspect,reported in the press.

Google demonstrates that the practice is not at all uncommon!!!

While I can not cite a single columnist, (nor can google for that matter) that proudly admits to plagiarism; from both knowledge of unreported instances and google references to reported instances, columnists clearly do engage in plagiarism as an all too common practice of their profession, all the while condemning others, with a wink and an understood editorially prescribed political agenda.

Clearly, they are all to often not only a plagiaristic bunch, they are also, much to often, just cynical hypocrites collecting a pay check.

P.S. I plagiarized a portion of this comment.........it's up to you to figure out which part!

Um, google demonstrates that the words "columnist" and "plagarism " appear together in 116,000 instances. If you look, almost all of those talk about how plagarism is not allowed, or when it is, the columnist is fired for it. Trust me on this. My brother is a reporter back east. Under no circumstances is plagarism allowed and he and his editor would be fired in an instant if he was ound to be guilty of plagarism.

And it is not the newspapers alone accusing Vasquez of plagarism. These charges are coming from multiple sources.

Just funny how once again we see gk being showing unabashed cynacism toward any official nationally, and unabashed homerism for the current Pinal County administration.

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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 10:19 pm

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ted....I know you tried really really hard to put together a coherent thought, and I guess I have to reluctantly give you credit for trying, but...............

To me it was awfully hypocritical for a newspaper to accuse someone of plagiarism while in fact it is a fairly common occurrence in the media. I am not saying plagiarism is OK.......I'm saying that an accusation like that should come from a respectable and unimpeachable source

I did google columnist plagiarism. I found 116,000 instances that were, reluctantly I suspect,reported in the press.

Google demonstrates that the practice is not at all uncommon!!!

While I can not cite a single columnist, (nor can google for that matter) that proudly admits to plagiarism; from both knowledge of unreported instances and google references to reported instances, columnists clearly do engage in plagiarism as an all too common practice of their profession, all the while condemning others, with a wink and an understood editorially prescribed political agenda.

Clearly, they are all to often not only a plagiaristic bunch, they are also, much to often, just cynical hypocrites collecting a pay check.

P.S. I plagiarized a portion of this comment.........it's up to you to figure out which part!

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gk wrote: Newspaper columnist use the content that others have written all of the time. I have been advised that it's a common practice in the newspaper business.

Call a columnist and find out if that's true, if it bothers you that much

This is by far one of the most absurd things I have heard in a very long time. No, under no circmstances is using other content without attribution in any way acceptable in the journalism profession. Columnists are dismissed all of the time for that. How can you possibly say this?

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gk wrote: Newspaper columnist use the content that others have written all of the time. I have been advised that it's a common practice in the newspaper business.

Call a columnist and find out if that's true, if it bothers you that much

That sounds hypocritical. Don't you view plagiarism as LYING? When he put his name to those words--it was lying--he didn't write them. Lying is lying-just like reporter who according to Doolittle didn't write the whole truth.

It is not common practice-alot of times it should call for a dismissal. A newspaper doesn't pay a columnist for someone else's words that have already been written. Google columnist plagiarism and see what you get-you don't get that its common practice.

Show me one columnist that will admit proudly to using content without attribution (plagiarism ie lying)

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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 08:13 pm

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gk wrote: Newspaper columnist use the content that others have written all of the time.Without attribution? First I've heard of that practice being common...

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Newspaper columnist use the content that others have written all of the time. I have been advised that it's a common practice in the newspaper business.

Call a columnist and find out if that's true, if it bothers you that much

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I wonder if the Sheriff will be endorsed by the San Tan Monthly or any other news organization. The Sheriff (and his other law enforcement buddies) is the only one that does not see aproblem with what he did.
Sheriff committed journalism's unpardonable sin
by Jim Thomas - Jun. 2, 2008 10:40 AM
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Plagiarism is a four-letter word in journalism.

There is no more despicable act in our profession than stealing the work of someone else and passing it off as our own. It is cause for immediate termination of the offending person, but its effects can be long lasting for a publication or media Web site.

That is why it's so painful to inform you that the San Tan Monthly has inadvertently been printing "letters to citizens" sent to us from Pinal County Sheriff Chris Vasquez that were plagiarized from various sources he found online.
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Plagiarism is easy to do with the access people have to so many articles and sources of information on the Internet. Conversely, it is also easier to be detected.

When the possibility of plagiarism was brought to our attention by readers, we immediately investigated the claims and found them to be valid. Some of the "letters" were completely and directly lifted from sources, others had large passages taken and still others had a few of the words changed.

Vasquez admits to this. He explains his actions in a letter to the editor that was distributed to various media outlets - San Tan Monthly wasn't the only publication caught with its guard down. The letter can be found in this issue.

According to the sheriff's letter, he did not believe he was engaging in plagiarism. He claims his motives were noble, that he merely wanted to convey a message that could benefit those who read it.

But what Vasquez did was a virtual crime. He stole the work of other people and passed it off as his own. He did he attribute the work to the original author. He writes in the letter that he assumed plagiarism is defined as "when a person took the work of someone else in order to gain something, such as money or a good grade."

Ignorance is not an acceptable excuse. Would the sheriff allow a person guilty of a crime go free if the person said he/she didn't realize it was a crime?

Vasquez's "letters to citizens" will no longer appear in the San Tan Monthly and we will carefully scrutinize any further submissions from the sheriff or his office.

I apologize to you, the readers, for allowing these plagiarized "letters" in this publication. I can assure you that members of our staff and our freelance writers have not committed plagiarism, but we will closely monitor all material we print.

Jim Thomas is editor of the San Tan Monthly.

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I researched some websites, to determine just why it is we tend to lie. Why would the Sheriff deceive us? What part of our human nature perpetuates lies. Take a look and see if this helps you determine whether or not to vote for someone who has lied to us in his newletters.....the content was not the lie. The lie was attributing the content to his own words. That's the same to me as pointing at a fixture and stating it is mine, when I know it belongs to someone else. I take that fixutre and claim it as my own? That's stealing.

you decide:

http://www.livescience.com/health/060515_why_lie.html

I like the part where it states honesty yields genuine relationships and trust. That's it in a nutshell.

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We should make this a contest. Write an apology letter for Sherrif Vasquez. Put together an entire letter made up completely of quotes from different sources.

Fun for the whole family, I say.

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That's exactly the thoughts I had Ted. He got caught....made light of it, hoping others would too, and now has been backed into a corner, writing a half/hearted letter using just a different word: "if" instead of "is" as a defense for his "shady" actions, but certainly distancing himself from any wrong doing......

Now the word "shady" means unreliable, among other definitions. And the definition of unreliable is untrustworthy.

Your call. Will you believe the contents of the next publication he writes as being his own? Will you question his integrity? Will you have confidence in him? Will you believe and trust him as the Top law enforcement officer in Pinal County, to protect us? Will his underlings continue to trust him? The word trust according to Webster's Dictionary: a firm belief in the integrity, effectiveness and genuineness of a person.

I say, the elections are close enough, and the cost for a recall will be too much for us to bear, so if you don't trust him, then don't vote for him at the Voting Booth this year. If you do, then put him back in office, knowing his history.

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Posted: Fri May 23rd, 2008 08:02 pm

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JJohnson wrote:
But he composed a letter two days later, explaining his actions and writing that if what he did was plagiarism, he was sorry.

You know, I actually saw that letter that Sherrif Vasquez wrote aplogizing for his actions, and I actually thought it was quite well written. Some of the parts that I did recall from it:

"This is the winter of our discontent."

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

"I am not a crook."

"Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me!"

What a great author! I always did like his writing style.

... And if I had more time I could come up with a complete Sherrif Vasquez apology letter.

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http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/116984

Recall effort underway for sheriff's plagiarism
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David Biscobing, Tribune

A Pinal County resident has started a campaign to recall Sheriff Chris Vasquez after reading Tribune reports that the sheriff plagiarized more than a dozen times in monthly letters to citizens.

Ethan Groh, 29, of Casa Grande, filed the recall petition Tuesday with the Pinal County Elections Office, records show.

Panel wont act in sheriffs plagiarizing

Pinal sheriff plagiarizes in monthly letters

“I have lost all faith, respect and trust in Sheriff Vasquez and his administration,” he wrote in a letter explaining his reasons for initiating the recall. “I feel his actions were dishonest and deceitful.”

Groh also wrote that Vasquez’s actions were unethical and unbecoming of an officer.

This is the first move to recall Vasquez, county elections director Gilbert Hoyas said.

Groh will need to collect 13,819 signatures by Sept. 17 to move forward with the effort. The recall was filed under the

name Committee to Recall Sheriff, an organization created by Groh.

Groh said he doesn’t think collecting the signatures will be a problem and that the recall will have plenty of support.

“He’s the top law enforcement official in this county, and he’s corrupt. I think once people find out about this, I will get unanimous support,” he said.

If Groh collects the necessary signatures, county elections director Gilbert Hoyas said they will be checked, a process that that lasts several weeks, before the matter can move to the ballot.

Vasquez is up for reelection this November, and it’s possible that Groh’s recall effort could continue beyond that date.

But Vasquez can still be ousted after the election if he regains office, state law shows.

Vasquez took office in 2005. Since then, he has written more than 30 letters about various law enforcement topics to citizens. Using an internet search, the Tribune found text in 14 letters that had been exactly replicated from other sources, even President Bush.

The text is copied verbatim and unattributed, and the lifted portions range from a few sentences to entire speeches.

The sheriff’s letters are distributed to newspapers across Pinal County, which print them monthly. They were also posted on Vasquez’s campaign Web site. The letters have since been removed.

Groh said that he also finds it troubling that Vasquez sits on the Arizona Peace Officers Standards and Training Board, a police ethics and training committee that determines punishments for law enforcement officers.

Ethics experts have agreed that Vasquez’s plagiarism raises questions of integrity and credibility.

Vasquez told the Tribune last week that he didn’t think there was anything wrong with the plagiarism.

But he composed a letter two days later, explaining his actions and writing that if what he did was plagiarism, he was sorry.

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I certainly can't argue with your point. But the realities on the ground are different than orginally intended. I tis a shame but we deal with things as best we can.

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JJohnson wrote: I couldn't agree with you more aj. It is indeed the people that make or break a nation. It is however the government that sets the climate and it is politicians that set the policies. Many great companies have the same beuaracratic problems that our government is experiencing. GE, Walmart, Exxon-Mobile, GM, AIG, CITI, just to name a few. These companies have all become bogged down in the overwhelming job of managing their business units. I am afraid that it is a function of size. Large organization have trouble adapting to current situations like a small business owner can.
Gee... I wonder why the Constitution sought to restrict the size and power of the federal government???

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JJohnson wrote: And what is the point of that picture GK?
Good luck getting an intelligent reply to that question!

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I couldn't agree with you more aj. It is indeed the people that make or break a nation. It is however the government that sets the climate and it is politicians that set the policies. Many great companies have the same beuaracratic problems that our government is experiencing. GE, Walmart, Exxon-Mobile, GM, AIG, CITI, just to name a few. These companies have all become bogged down in the overwhelming job of managing their business units. I am afraid that it is a function of size. Large organization have trouble adapting to current situations like a small business owner can.

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JJohnson wrote:
He got what he could. That, my friend, is called politics. Like it or not that is the cornerstone of how our government works. I am not sure that even in an ideal world that a democracy (or what ever other term you want to refute my arguement with) can operate without the politics. Politics gives the small voice a chance to be heard. there are alot of problems with our government but on the whole it is a great system that has ushered our country to many good and bad times. Somehow our country always rebounds from the despair and doomsdayers.
"... but on the whole it is a great system that has ushered our country to many good and bad times. ..."

I'd have to disagree.

We the people made the United States of America a superpower - not our government. I have no doubt, that if our government, in its current form, were implemented over two-hundred years ago, we would not have achieved the accomplishments the American people have achieved to date.

Have you noticed that the larger and more powerful our government is allowed to become, the more our nation stumbles???

The greatness of America lies within our citizens, not our government.

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And what is the point of that picture GK?

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He got what he could. That, my friend, is called politics. Like it or not that is the cornerstone of how our government works. I am not sure that even in an ideal world that a democracy (or what ever other term you want to refute my arguement with) can operate without the politics. Politics gives the small voice a chance to be heard. there are alot of problems with our government but on the whole it is a great system that has ushered our country to many good and bad times. Somehow our country always rebounds from the despair and doomsdayers.

flyrep wrote:

Right, I meant Congress.   Bush should have encouraged Congress to declare war

if it was so important to him.   Of course, Bush does not care about Congress and

its constitutional powers. He won't even share his post-terror attack plans with

them. How convenient for his lordship.

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Right, I meant Congress.   Bush should have encouraged Congress to declare war

if it was so important to him.   Of course, Bush does not care about Congress and

its constitutional powers. He won't even share his post-terror attack plans with

them. How convenient for his lordship.

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Read the Constitution. The President does not have the power to declare war. That power resides only in the Congress.

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Well JJ, if Bush wants to go to war against Iran, I hope that he can at least

declare war on them so it will have some semblance of Constitutional legitimacy.

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Well JJ, if Bush wants to go to war against Iran, I hope that he can at least

declare war on them so it will have some semblance of Constitutional legitimacy.

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Thanks JJ. I can only hope you are as frightened of the Zionists and evil doers as I am!

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Well said Dave

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So GK, you would dismiss those of us who don't wish to take almost 2 hours of our day to watch a "documentary" on Bill Clinton and almost 1 hour of our day to watch a journalistic endeavor on GW as people who are afraid to challenge our comfort zone? Who the hell made you the morality policeman? You think because most people don't think like you do, we are all a bunch of uncaring dolts? I believe most people think like we do and don't have the time to troll the internet searching for websites that will back up your way of thinking. We are out earning a living and raising a family, working within our communities to make them better places and trying to do the best we can with what we have to work with. You can cut and paste all the bizarre website links you want, accuse us of being uncaring, unconcerned or just plain ignorant, but in the end, your opinion is no more valuable than mine or anyone else. Your attempts to make us see the world and our leaders as a bunch of Zionists and evil doers quite frankly are laughable. You see absolutely no good with any of the candidates still in the race (with the exception of Ron Paul who though technically is still in the race, is a non-entity)and appear to live the life equal to the guy who stands on the corner with an a-frame sign that says the end is near. We are not afraid, we are not puppets of the media, but we are caring and live our life to our own satisfaction. I hope you can say the same.

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So it is safe to say that you did not bother to watch the two video's about bush and clinton? One is a documentary and one is an investigative journalist and not part of some kind of "conspiracy" agenda. Both have supporting ducuments and legal basis. These are not radical websites, nor are they based on hate, they contain valid information, and for you to dismiss them so out of hand simply shows that you refuse to look at anything that could be even remotely challenging to your comfort zone.

Outrage is exactly how to affect change at any level.

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I have very little control over what happens at the Federal level of government. I vote for my candidate and keep an eye on things. I would not call the Sheriff an evil person for what he did but it is disturbing that after he got caught he brushed it off as no big deal.

You and I differ so greatly on the issue of the President that it does not make any sense to discuss it. Your links are always going to radical web sites that make radical accusations that are based on hate. I happen to believe that the war in Iraq is being waged for noble causes and is keeping us safer in the US. I believe that President Bush has made mistakes along the way but don't think he is doing anything malicious. I also don't think there is a money conspiracy for his family. Since we disagree so much and there is little we can actually do to affect change it is not worthy of further discussion. I don't poke at people to get a rise out of them or try to humiliate some one publically. I will point out those things that I see as wrong with the hope of stating my position.

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Not at all............I find it amusing that you make such a statement about this issue , but in the matter of much weightier subjects you can't conern yourself.

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gk wrote: I find it very telling that people are not outraged about this. Must be a generational thing. We used to hold public officials up to a higher standard. This is just the opposite.

http://www.newszapforums.com/forum26/56590.html

But you are givng the Sheriff a pass on this one?

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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 08:28 pm

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He has lost my vote. He is wrong-he should have learned that taking credit for someone elses work is wrong in middle school. I know this issue is a very hot issue in colleges and even in high schools. Its a shame that he doesn't even appear to be shameful about it. No "whoops" forgot to mention that it wasn't me writting the article I just signed my name--very very disturbing. How hard is it to simply state your sources?

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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 08:28 pm

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I find it very telling that people are not outraged about this. Must be a generational thing. We used to hold public officials up to a higher standard. This is just the opposite.

http://www.newszapforums.com/forum26/56590.html

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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 07:57 pm

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I find it very telling that people are not outraged about this. Must be a generational thing. We used to hold public officials up to a higher standard. This is just the opposite.

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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 03:17 pm

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JJohnson wrote: http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/116342

More great press for our county!!!!!

I have not followed this political race too closely but this sure does point out a major character flaw. Doesn't the sheriff live in the San Tan area?

Bottom line it is "stealing" ......it's what is known as "literary theft" in the "market" and is met usually with charges, that are dismissed once the individual agrees to quit his job.

This can only be expected to be carried out in this case, or it will definitely confirm a "good ole boy" mentality does exist out here, and open the door for others who were dismissed for wrong doings from our govt. to be able to come back and challenge the dismissals.

To plagerize means the person is too lazy to spend time on "writing" a "paper" or he just doens't have the gray matter. Yet, we pay him. Either way, that type of person does not belong in our community overseeing our safety. It is Stealing.

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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 02:52 pm

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http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/116342

More great press for our county!!!!!

I have not followed this political race too closely but this sure does point out a major character flaw. Doesn't the sheriff live in the San Tan area?

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