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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 03:32 am |
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anne.reed wrote: JJohnson wrote:
I kind of suspected the following but decided not to say anything until I was more sure of my theory. Since no member of the GSTAC team is coming forward with their answers to questions then I am more emboldened to put this out.
1) GSTAC claims to be a voice of the people but the leadership refuses to speak to us and answer questions.
2) GSTAC has George Johnson on its unelected core team
3) GSTAC claimed months ago it would hold elections but that has yet to happen
4) GSTAC claims to be working on problems in our area but nothing has been accomplished with resects to the real problems.
- 2 members of our community are being sued by George Johnson
- Johnson Utilities has failed to completely remedy the spill that occured in November (?)
- Mailbox issues have been brought to the attention of the GSTAC but nothing has been acted upon
- Flooding continues to be an issue yet nothing more than saying we have a problem has been accomplished.
- Ingress and egress from our area is a substantial issue yet it has not been addressed as of yet.
- No zoning issues have been brought to our attention as of yet
5) The only issue that has been taken up, that we are aware of, is a Queen Creek road issue of which we are not directly and only distantly indirectly affected.
6) GSTAC claims to be recognized by county and municipal authorities along with utilities companies but no list of these entities has come forward despite repeated requests.
My conclusion is that GSTAC is by and for the benefit of George Johnson and his interests. Nothing more, nothing less. GSTAC is not in existence for the benefit of the community residents. When i heard that non-residents would hold authority over this organization I knew it would not represent the people. GSTAC is only in existence to benefit those that are in power.
While I believe that GSTAC was formed with good intentions by Jack Malpress I can only surmise that it has been hijacked by the other core members and its mission has been altered. There has been no openess or transparancy in anything they do. Their website has not been updated with any type of current information. Until these issues can be remedied I feel that we should notify the local government and utility entities in our area that they should not rely on GSTAC's claim of representation. We should also work toward starting a truely representative group that will EXCLUDE local developers and INCLUDE the residents that live and call this place home.
I respect individual's rights to voice their opinion but when a group like GSTAC falsely claims to represent the interests of everyone then it must be made known to the powers-to-be that GSTAC's claims are not real and should not be relied upon.
Dear JJ:
Have you ever attended a GSTAC meeting to gain an understanding of what GSTAC is and is not? I have, that's why I am not involved. I seen what the group was all about from day one. GSTAC volunteers are motivated by personal passion and their effectiveness is dictated by the degree of citizen involvement. When citizens are motivated for change GSTAC core and it's volunteers are committed to assisting them in their efforts. When are you going to get it Anne? We do not want that group helping us. We did not ask for them to help us, we want to vote in who we want sitting on the core team as well as the extended teams.
Consequently, if you have issues that you want addressed, step to the front of the line and take a stance. Many of us have taken a stance Anne, begin the elections.Get your neighbors involved. GSTAC core members have the contacts to effectuate citizen driven initiatives. There are many more people in this community who have contacts as well Anne. Sorry but your group is not our saving grace. GSTAC volunteers can only represent those who have empowered them to represent them. Come off it Anne. The only people who emp[owered you volunteers are yopurselves. The community (if you can't ell by now) has not/ nor will empower you or anyone else on GSTAC.. at least NOT UNTIL we vote in who we want, because it surely is not any of you sitting up there on your wishful thrones. GSTAC is willing to help all citizens of the Greater San Tan Area, but, it has no agenda without citizen participation. With elections, comes participation. Until then....forget it.
Regards,
Anne
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anne.reed
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 02:28 am |
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JJohnson wrote:
I kind of suspected the following but decided not to say anything until I was more sure of my theory. Since no member of the GSTAC team is coming forward with their answers to questions then I am more emboldened to put this out.
1) GSTAC claims to be a voice of the people but the leadership refuses to speak to us and answer questions.
2) GSTAC has George Johnson on its unelected core team
3) GSTAC claimed months ago it would hold elections but that has yet to happen
4) GSTAC claims to be working on problems in our area but nothing has been accomplished with resects to the real problems.
- 2 members of our community are being sued by George Johnson
- Johnson Utilities has failed to completely remedy the spill that occured in November (?)
- Mailbox issues have been brought to the attention of the GSTAC but nothing has been acted upon
- Flooding continues to be an issue yet nothing more than saying we have a problem has been accomplished.
- Ingress and egress from our area is a substantial issue yet it has not been addressed as of yet.
- No zoning issues have been brought to our attention as of yet
5) The only issue that has been taken up, that we are aware of, is a Queen Creek road issue of which we are not directly and only distantly indirectly affected.
6) GSTAC claims to be recognized by county and municipal authorities along with utilities companies but no list of these entities has come forward despite repeated requests.
My conclusion is that GSTAC is by and for the benefit of George Johnson and his interests. Nothing more, nothing less. GSTAC is not in existence for the benefit of the community residents. When i heard that non-residents would hold authority over this organization I knew it would not represent the people. GSTAC is only in existence to benefit those that are in power.
While I believe that GSTAC was formed with good intentions by Jack Malpress I can only surmise that it has been hijacked by the other core members and its mission has been altered. There has been no openess or transparancy in anything they do. Their website has not been updated with any type of current information. Until these issues can be remedied I feel that we should notify the local government and utility entities in our area that they should not rely on GSTAC's claim of representation. We should also work toward starting a truely representative group that will EXCLUDE local developers and INCLUDE the residents that live and call this place home.
I respect individual's rights to voice their opinion but when a group like GSTAC falsely claims to represent the interests of everyone then it must be made known to the powers-to-be that GSTAC's claims are not real and should not be relied upon.
Dear JJ:
Have you ever attended a GSTAC meeting to gain an understanding of what GSTAC is and is not? GSTAC volunteers are motivated by personal passion and their effectiveness is dictated by the degree of citizen involvement. When citizens are motivated for change GSTAC core and it's volunteers are committed to assisting them in their efforts.
Consequently, if you have issues that you want addressed, step to the front of the line and take a stance. Get your neighbors involved. GSTAC core members have the contacts to effectuate citizen driven initiatives. GSTAC volunteers can only represent those who have empowered them to represent them. GSTAC is willing to help all citizens of the Greater San Tan Area, but, it has no agenda without citizen participation.
Regards,
Anne
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Posted: Mon Sep 1st, 2008 08:06 pm |
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I kind of suspected the following but decided not to say anything until I was more sure of my theory. Since no member of the GSTAC team is coming forward with their answers to questions then I am more emboldened to put this out.
1) GSTAC claims to be a voice of the people but the leadership refuses to speak to us and answer questions.
2) GSTAC has George Johnson on its unelected core team
3) GSTAC claimed months ago it would hold elections but that has yet to happen
4) GSTAC claims to be working on problems in our area but nothing has been accomplished with resects to the real problems.
- 2 members of our community are being sued by George Johnson
- Johnson Utilities has failed to completely remedy the spill that occured in November (?)
- Mailbox issues have been brought to the attention of the GSTAC but nothing has been acted upon
- Flooding continues to be an issue yet nothing more than saying we have a problem has been accomplished.
- Ingress and egress from our area is a substantial issue yet it has not been addressed as of yet.
- No zoning issues have been brought to our attention as of yet
5) The only issue that has been taken up, that we are aware of, is a Queen Creek road issue of which we are not directly and only distantly indirectly affected.
6) GSTAC claims to be recognized by county and municipal authorities along with utilities companies but no list of these entities has come forward despite repeated requests.
My conclusion is that GSTAC is by and for the benefit of George Johnson and his interests. Nothing more, nothing less. GSTAC is not in existence for the benefit of the community residents. When i heard that non-residents would hold authority over this organization I knew it would not represent the people. GSTAC is only in existence to benefit those that are in power.
While I believe that GSTAC was formed with good intentions by Jack Malpress I can only surmise that it has been hijacked by the other core members and its mission has been altered. There has been no openess or transparancy in anything they do. Their website has not been updated with any type of current information. Until these issues can be remedied I feel that we should notify the local government and utility entities in our area that they should not rely on GSTAC's claim of representation. We should also work toward starting a truely representative group that will EXCLUDE local developers and INCLUDE the residents that live and call this place home.
I respect individual's rights to voice their opinion but when a group like GSTAC falsely claims to represent the interests of everyone then it must be made known to the powers-to-be that GSTAC's claims are not real and should not be relied upon.
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Posted: Sat Aug 30th, 2008 01:02 am |
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anne.reed wrote: Neither proclamations or declarations are required for the residents of the Greater San Tan Area to have a voice. Not all municipalities, agencies and companies are that anal.
Regards,
Anne
i feel safe then in assuming there are no official proclamations or declarations from counties, cities, utilities and other organizations recognizing GSTAC to represent the interests of your large unannexed population.
that being the case, might you be so kind then as to name specific persons and the counties, cities, utilities and other organizations that are UNofficially recognizing GSTAC to represent the interests of your large unannexed population.
Dear Starleen:
GSTAC is recognized by counties, cities, utilities and other organizations, to represent the interests of our large unannexed population.
Regards,
Anne
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Posted: Fri Aug 29th, 2008 10:35 pm |
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Neither proclamations or declarations are required for the residents of the Greater San Tan Area to have a voice. Not all municipalities, agencies and companies are that anal.
Regards,
Anne
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Posted: Fri Aug 29th, 2008 10:16 pm |
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bumpity bump bump
QCVillager wrote:
anne.reed wrote: Dear Starleen:
GSTAC is recognized by counties, cities, utilities and other organizations, to represent the interests of our large unannexed population.
Regards,
Anne
QCVillager wrote:
i don't recall seeing the proclamations/declarations. please include the declarations of the counties, cities, utilities and other organizations formally recognizing GSTAC on your website and/or provide links to same here.
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Well neighbors; I'm back, only to leave again next week, to be able to return by Friday, the 29th.
Been reading your good conversations. Good to know you are all still prime.
Pipe. Sure would like to see you. The 30th isn't the best date, but not as many are going out of town as usual. Anyway, I wanted to get it in before the Elections on the 2nd.
Bryan; Todd; Danielle; Ron; John Fillmore; Jon Acton; and others running for office. Please come to the early meeting or to the breakfast or both. Good time to network and mingle with the crowds, as that will probably be your last hurrah before voting time. Civil discourse will rule the roost.
I've been doing alot of research to prepare for this. I have been trying to outline it all in my head, as to what direction we will take. I have also made some contacts for speakers and to form partnerships with these entities. Dr. White; Superintendent for Coolidge schools has been invited to attend this breakfast. We have discussed forming a Partnership with them so we can get a grasp on this constant problem at our schools. It is only growing worse, and like a cancer, has to be removed before it engulfs our whole area. Parents are going to have to step up to the plate for the good of the Community. It's our duty to prepare the next generation to "take over" and that is not happening out here on the scale it should. We don't want a bunch of hooligans running the community.
Looking forward to some good brainstorming and preparation for this neighborhood community meeting....that's what we are; all neighbors looking out for each other. We'll go over some of the ideas I have and hopefully by that time, you will be able to bring some of your ideas to the table.
This is for familys and singles. A family is more than one person. So bring your children if you like. Let's engage them when they are young. Let's train and teach them the way of democracy and "working together" to achieve our objectives. But first we must identify our objectives.
We are in the first steps of organizing. Your input will determine the direction we will take, so if you don't attend, you won't have a say at the beginning. As we go further into this, perhaps we can start a communication channel over the web, as our goal is to communicate in an open venue. Good communication habits will be practiced always....no hidden discussions or hidden agenda's. All will be in the open and will be practiced by it's members. If you can't function under those practices, then you will be wasting your time with us. We want to be known as Transparent....that brings trust and confidence to the table, and that is our first objective.
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2 cents wrote: Joking around, colorful conversation and the like are all great things. They tend to lighten a situation. And I think there could possibly be situations. That is why I am emphasizing listening. From what I know of some individules, talking over, talking louder and generally not giving an opposing voice the opportunity to voice opposition seems to be the often employed means of conversation. I truly hope everyone realizes the opportunity for meaningful fruitful dialogue that is on the table. If everyone, and I mean everyone, will but aside their biases and individule goals and constructively talk, negotiate, perhaps give up some dreams 'til a later time and truly listen to what the other has to say, I beleive that everyone is much closer to the same goal, with a tweek here and there, of ? incorporation, ? a voice to be reckoned with or any of the other dreams I've heard.
As far as meeting me, you might have already. Or perhaps not. If I am successful, you will never know. That's the way I like it.
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We are all adults here. We are well aware how to properly converse and debate in a rational manner. I will be taking notes as I LISTEN to others so I may not overlook anything. There is not enough time in one sitting to get everything out. Hopefully this meeting will continue as needed on future dates. I certainly hope there will not be "situations" as you put it. That will get no one nowhere fast. Please attend. I want to know what everyone has to say. If you choose to introduce yourself only as 2 cents, that will be fine. I will introduce myself as Molly Browne eventhough a few of my friends on here do know my real name. I think it may be in my (and my family's) best interest at this Aug. 30th meeting to remain under the veil of my screenname. I hope we have a large turnout at this meeting! I can't wait to hear what everyone has to bring to the table. Thank you to the Schnepf family in advance for allowing us this day and time to meet constructively! I also can't wait for the good coffee and breakfast! Yum-O!!
~ Molly Browne
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My pleasure!
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gsbill, pipe, thank you both and a special thanks to you BWD, I could never have said it as well as you did. You hit the nail on the head. Thanks.
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Posted: Wed Aug 13th, 2008 11:44 pm |
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gsbill wrote: Pipeman...You going? Look forward to seeing you. Its been awhile.
Thanks for the clarification 2 cents.
gs, yes sir it has been awhile. I do plan on being there provided I am not out of town for work. Is this still on for the 30th? Not a good date in my mind as it is a holiday weekend. Anywhoo, I will be there if I am here. Look forward to seeing you as well.
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Posted: Wed Aug 13th, 2008 06:29 pm |
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Pipeman...You going? Look forward to seeing you. Its been awhile.
Thanks for the clarification 2 cents.
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| I don't think we should read anything into this other that what he stated. Some people like to work in the background and don't need or want the attention of being in the foreground. Anonymity has it's benefits and own rewards. Those that are comfortable working for excellence in the background are to be commended.
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Posted: Wed Aug 13th, 2008 05:31 pm |
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2 cents wrote: That I remain 2 cents and nothing more.
2, that is no way to be and feel. Look at all the times that GK and I went round and round with each other, and all the mean hateful things we said to each other. He pm'd me and asked me to work with him on something, although I would have loved to do it, I was unable to do due to limited time between work, being on the road and finishing my schooling. Him and I may not see eye to eye on incorporation, some of his friends, among other issues, but that does not stop me from wanting to meet him and shake his hand as I do have respect for him for the things he tried to accomplish in our area like the library for instance. We both have apologized to one another and have been civil with one another ever since.
Don't let things you have said in the past and pissed people off stop you from meeting people and hopefully coming together for the better cause of our community. We even look forwrd to meeting you and shaking your hand as well. Hope you change your mind and make it.
Although I think the 30th is a bad time to meet due to the holiday and many people will be on vacation with their families.
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Posted: Wed Aug 13th, 2008 12:49 pm |
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As far as meeting me, you might have already. Or perhaps not. If I am successful, you will never know. That's the way I like it.
What does that mean?
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Posted: Wed Aug 13th, 2008 02:19 am |
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Joking around, colorful conversation and the like are all great things. They tend to lighten a situation. And I think there could possibly be situations. That is why I am emphasizing listening. From what I know of some individules, talking over, talking louder and generally not giving an opposing voice the opportunity to voice opposition seems to be the often employed means of conversation. I truly hope everyone realizes the opportunity for meaningful fruitful dialogue that is on the table. If everyone, and I mean everyone, will but aside their biases and individule goals and constructively talk, negotiate, perhaps give up some dreams 'til a later time and truly listen to what the other has to say, I beleive that everyone is much closer to the same goal, with a tweek here and there, of ? incorporation, ? a voice to be reckoned with or any of the other dreams I've heard.
As far as meeting me, you might have already. Or perhaps not. If I am successful, you will never know. That's the way I like it.
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Posted: Wed Aug 13th, 2008 02:12 am |
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CharWester wrote: Hey Guys! I talked to my sister, who works for Carrie Schnepf at her restaurant, they have us down for a large party (appx.30 +/- people) on Saturday August 30th at 7am. They actually don't open until 7:30am, but they are opening early for coffee for us from 7-7:30am. Breakfast can be ordered at 7:30am. This way we can all chat for a while and gives time for those that may be running late. Hope to see you all there!
By the way, I just wanted to let you know that I had already talked to my mom, Bambi, and she asked that I post that information about the breakfast on here. So, she will be there also.
I look forward to seeing all my friends again as well as meet those I have never met.
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Posted: Wed Aug 13th, 2008 12:58 am |
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2 cents wrote:
By the way gsbill, great idea that you had about the lunch! Now if only people will remember to listen. I have found that the most important part of a conversation is listening. I don't mean hearing. I mean listening! Understand what is being said and why it is being said. Don't make assumptions that you understand, ask questions until you truly understand then you can respond in a meaningful relevant way. And if the person you are having a conversation with understands this, you will have the opportunity to make you point.
And talking louder than someone else does not get your point across nor make you any more right than another. I know there are those and I hope that by posting the listening thing people will get to thinking about it in advance. There is a great opportunity here and I would hate to see it not come to beneficial.
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Keep in mind that a big portion of the folks posting here know each other and talk pretty often in person. Be prepared for joking around, wise cracks and other colorful conversation.
I look forward to meeting you!
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By the way gsbill, great idea that you had about the lunch! Now if only people will remember to listen. I have found that the most important part of a conversation is listening. I don't mean hearing. I mean listening! Understand what is being said and why it is being said. Don't make assumptions that you understand, ask questions until you truly understand then you can respond in a meaningful relevant way. And if the person you are having a conversation with understands this, you will have the opportunity to make you point.
And talking louder than someone else does not get your point across nor make you any more right than another. I know there are those and I hope that by posting the listening thing people will get to thinking about it in advance. There is a great opportunity here and I would hate to see it not come to beneficial.
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2 cents wrote:
Cultivate The Art of Conversation
By Susan Ward, About.com
You need to make a conscious effort to converse with those you meet. A conversation is more than an information exchange; to converse, you have to show an interest in the other person, give him or her your full attention and actually listen to his or her replies.
I know for me and many of the folks who post here that have met in person..conversation just comes natural. To balance things off you may want to run a search on how to shut folks up. We are a chatty bunch.
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Cultivate The Art of Conversation
By Susan Ward, About.com
You need to make a conscious effort to converse with those you meet. A conversation is more than an information exchange; to converse, you have to show an interest in the other person, give him or her your full attention and actually listen to his or her replies.
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Posted: Tue Aug 12th, 2008 11:00 pm |
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Hey Guys! I talked to my sister, who works for Carrie Schnepf at her restaurant, they have us down for a large party (appx.30 +/- people) on Saturday August 30th at 7am. They actually don't open until 7:30am, but they are opening early for coffee for us from 7-7:30am. Breakfast can be ordered at 7:30am. This way we can all chat for a while and gives time for those that may be running late. Hope to see you all there!
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Bambi/Char -
Please pin point the date/time/location and email me at SanTanEvents@gmail.com, so that I can put it on the community calendar as well as send this out to my members.
Thanks!
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Count me in! Keep me informed when the date, time, and place are set. This could be at a local restaurant, S. Farms, or a pot luck at another location. Sounds like a must do! Yes, it is true....."United we stand, divided we fall". I'm sick of ALL this poop.....and the raw sewage too. So much needs to be discussed. Not everything can be covered at one sitting. This will need to be an on-going discussion held at many meetings. Am I wrong? Enough is enough. We need to take action! Others will come along too once we get together and get the word out to the rest of the community(TOQC and surrounding areas).
I'm down....if it's still trendy to say that these days.
VIVA LA BAMBI!!
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Count me in!
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2 cents wrote: How come Todd and Mary and any other candidate for any position are not invited?
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Everyone is invited.....how's that? You too 2. But the invitation is on here. If they come on here....they will know. I'm not putting ads in the paper. A bigger gathering can happen at my place because of the room available, but it is too hot to have it here now. Serrano's is another option. It's all up in the air right now. Check out places and get back to me if you like. Nothing is cast in stone yet. And there is no desire to exclude anyone. We're attempting to bring people together....CORE and the People and Candidates and Developers and Business People: All working together to bring "success" and unity to our lives during these difficult times. Some of our people have lost their jobs; their homes; their vehicles; all are in need; they need us to comfort them and help them seek out available options. Lots of issues and objectives to bring to the table and discuss, and it won't happen in one sitting.
Discussion among other items.......the Farmers Market idea. We can talk to Carrie and Mark about that too. I think that is fantastic and a great way of bringing people together. Let's get back to our roots. Yeah! And if Q.C. thinks it's too big to take on themselves, we will assist them, if they like, or hold our own. Lot's of ideas to exchange. Bring them with you!!!! The SanTanFoothills Exchange Club.....or Breakfast Club....or Service Club or Promotional Corp. or ?? ?
Let it evolve.
STE Posters? You are also invited. We really need your input. GG, Mandi, Aimee, etc.
If people can RSVP, that would help us know how much room we need. If not, we will just have to deal with it.
Now.....off with the computer. I'm out of here. I am really excited about this.
Remember: It won't happen unless we make it happen!! Together we stand; Divided we fall. We've been divided: Let's Come Together... 
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How come Todd and Mary and any other candidate for any position are not invited?
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Here's my suggestion. A Saturday a.m. at S.Farms for breakfast. It should be cooler in the a.m. We could probably take up the whole cafe. Carrie won't mind. I'll ask her to come too....and Mark. I'll make sure Michelle and her daughter wait on us. My soninlaws should be there working on Mark's other projects....one of them just built a new bridge going to their country cafe, so it's safe to cross. Since Jeff's out of town next week, I suggest we meet on the 30th of Aug....a Sat. Sounds like a good beginning....Saturday a.m. breakfasts, some put on by ourselves; some at local restaurants to promote their business's. Win Win. Maybe once a month? Dutch treat? We can alternate having it at neighbors houses too. A.M. or P.M. Char and I have been talking about having pancake breakfasts here too, once it cools off. Lots of places to choose from.
Now, I won't have my computer with me again till next mid-week, so Char will be covering for me. I will have my phone though. I'll get right on this.
Let's clear the air. This effort will either make us or it will break us....it's up to us how much "effort" we put in to this, as to communicate well with one another is the first step. If we can't do that and we don't make a concerted effort to do so, including beyond this gathering, it will fail. Nothing will happen unless we make it happen and we communicate on a consistant basis, openly and honestly. If people would like to "clear" their own air at this gathering, I welcome that.
Hey Bryan, Major Sir. You're invited too. 
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QCVillager wrote:
i would love to attend. but next week (the week of 17th thru 23rd) is out for me.
Its gonna be at your house!
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| i would love to attend. but next week (the week of 17th thru 23rd) is out for me.
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| Sure! Put it together..I'd love to meet gk. I'd like to see Gordon, Anne and Bambi there and the rest of the Newszap crew! Somebody get it on the calender. Or perhaps a Newszap party. I'll volunteer the music, some firewood and some food.
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That is a great idea guys. Now that is Constructive action. Talking face to face with people you don't always agree with is the best approach to understanding
Bambi, I know you have taken this approach before and I commend you on continuing with that course of action. I know we rustle each others feathers on occasion, but I respect the fact that you continue to try other approaches.
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gsbill wrote: This has become impossible to follow. I suggest everybody have lunch together a few times and get back to us.
Did I hear gsbill say Lunch? All of us Bill? That sounds Fantastic. Let's do it. I'll be back in town next week. Let's see. Anne, Gordon, Gene, Bob, Ed, Molly, Me, Char, You, Jeff? Mike the Greek and his helicopter?  anyone else? azsunshine? JJ? Pipe? STE? GJ? BT? Starleen? Hey: There's your two groups. "Come Together" right now...   
The People CORE
Let's check up on Michelle at the S. Farm, if it's cool enough. Lots of room there.
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This would be the same as saying why don't you become part of a City movement and change that direction.
I actually did with the first incorporation attempt. I got on the Boundaries committee to make sure that the rurals and wild areas were left alone. As it turned out Mr. M had no intention of listening to anyone but himself He had already pre-determined the boundaries and NOTHING was going to change them
I don't think any group should be formed that claims to be a voice for the entire area. Individual needs yes all in compassing without voting-NO
There is nothing that makes you adhere to that model. Just create another voice "of the rresidents. It's just that simple.
Did not demonize anyone. Complain and bitch yes. But I think you would be too if it was something you disagreed with.
I have previously stated that I disagree with G. Johnson and his sidekick being a part of GSTAC. The difference is I understand that they have the right to do as they see fit and there is nothing that I am willing to do to stop them including whoever they want. I made the statement, I stand by it, but I don't keep beating a dead horse and cry about it.
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Bumping this!
Molly Browne wrote:
Bob,
I do not appreciate the GSTAC claiming to represent me and other resident homeowners out here. We did not vote to have the GSTAC or its CORE members to publicly represent us resident homeowners. To have one voice that represents us implies that we have voted for all of you. I have asked many questions and have received no answers, so then how can the GSTAC represent me? Anne told me that GSTAC does not represent me or my ideas/concerns. Does that mean the GSTAC is claiming to represent the voices of all resident homeowners in this unincorporated area of Pinal County except for me? In that case why single out one or few taxpaying citizens from having their voice heard? As far as your friend George Johnson, can you ask him why he has allowed raw sewage to spill next to my house so many times? Can you also ask him why he has allowed this raw sewage to sit stagnant for months next to my house? I'm sure he is aware that most of the homes in here have small children. I am a married mother with 2 small children of my own. I don't appreciate having raw sewage lie stagnant next to my house for months. I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate it either. I'm not sure if George would like to live right next to it or not. I'm guessing he wouldn't mind living right next to raw sewage. After all, the Christian thing to do is "do unto others what you would have done unto you". Well, anyhoo, please let your friend know that the residents in here, including myself, do not like being forced to live next to this festering raw sewage spill especially with all of our small children and infants. I have paid all my bills in a timely fashion. I am due the same respect. Also, it seems ridiculous that our sewer bills are much greater than our water bills. Johnson Utilities may want to check with H2O and see that water costs SIGNIFICANTLY less than sewage costs. Hmmm....that makes no sense. And for being charged so much for sewer service, why then am I forced to live right next to stagnant raw sewage for so dang long. I should have never had to deal with such an insanitary situation in the first place. I pay my bills on time. If I wanted to live next to such a nasty site, I could have saved a lot of money on sewer service and just had my family defecate in the backyard. However, I am civilized and potty-trained and I choose not to live that way. Yet, I am still being forced to live with everyone's poop even though I pay my very expensive sewer bill on time.
Frustrated and fedup,
Molly Browne
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Bump.
Bambi wrote:
Anne Reed's post:...."SRP made their presentation to GSTAC core in an effort to accommodate facilitation of public input. "
So you are telling me that George Johnson and Bryan Tompsette and GB and other Developers were privy to this SRP Presentation before the people were made aware or are aware, and that you are still holding the information that you received from this Utility Giant? So you can "facilitate" Public Input? You and JU and who else? Is Pinal County privy to this? Just what was that SRP Presentation about? When did it occur? Where do we view this "public" information? The people should know and know very soon!
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gk wrote: more bitching and complaining about everyone, everything and nothing.
Why do the people that complain and spew crap, not step up and do something? Why won't the worst complainers answer MY QUESTIONS?
1. Please state the reasons you have NOT started a separate group to represent your interests that you snivel about all the time?
I don't think any group should be formed that claims to be a voice for the entire area. Individual needs yes all in compassing without voting-NO
2. Why do the complainers not become part of GSTAC and change it's direction?
This would be the same as saying why don't you become part of a City movement and change that direction.
3. Is your entire goal and activity in life and in your community to complain and demonize others that do take part in building their community.
Did not demonize anyone. Complain and bitch yes. But I think you would be too if it was something you disagreed with.
These are valid questions, and if you cannot answer them, then you have no reason to complain and demonize any one else, because YOU COMPLAINERS are directly responsible for YOUR inaction and you are part of the problem......actually the BIGGEST PART of the problem!!!!!
Tried to answer (my opinion only) but then again I didn't claim to be anyone's representative either
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You know I have to bump this.
Molly Browne wrote:
anne.reed wrote: Molly Browne wrote:
BUMP THIS!!!! Now explain your contradictory statements please, Anne. You said the GSTAC does not represent us, then I showed you where you had previously (and now again) state(d) that the GSTAC does represent us. You have yet to respond. I have the right to know what citizens, counties, cities, utilities, businesses, and other organizations have either formally or informally recognized the GSTAC as voicing their concerns/ideas. So tell us already or the GSTAC needs to stop publicly acting as our voice. The GSTAC cannot represent us without proper election. When were the resident homeowners like myself offered an opportunity to vote on the GSTAC and its CORE? That never occurred and you know it. If I am wrong I am sure you will point it out quickly. Now, when will you respond to me proving you wrong and the inquiries as to who has accepted/recognized the GSTAC from this area? I don't want people to get the wrong idea when you tell everyone that we approve of the GSTAC when we clearly do not. We have HOAs to represent us. We may be better represented by having all of our HOAs come together to represent us as a whole. And those without an HOA can hold neighborhood meetings to decide who they want to join with all of the HOAs to speak for/represent us.
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anne.reed wrote: Dear Starleen:
GSTAC is recognized by counties, cities, utilities and other organizations, to represent the interests of our large unannexed population.
Regards,
Anne
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i don't recall seeing the proclamations/declarations. please include the declarations of the counties, cities, utilities and other organizations formally recognizing GSTAC on your website and/or provide links to same here.
1> I am apologizing if anyone was offended by my stating the fact that Gordon is CORE in the GSTAC. He is a resident of District 1. Was he there on behalf of GSTAC or as a resident? I am not sure. Only he can answer that. It is very possible he was there for both reasons.
2> Anne, you have still not explained why you wrote to me on here stating that GSTAC does NOT represent me as a resident homeowner of the unincorporated Pinal County side of QC when you clearly stated to all on here that they do represent us. I showed you where you had contradicted yourself. You have not yet chosen to respond. Let me ask you, are you saying they represent everyone out here except for me? Do they or do they not represent me in your opinion? I know of no one who has accepted their representation. To the contrary, many are disgusted that GSTAC has claimed, per your postings and your GSTAC website, to represent us. I find it odd that you have chosen to release certain information and keep other information secret. That is not the way to win people over, Anne. That's a great way to make enemies in this area of which you claim GSTAC represents.
3> Anne, the residents of this area want to see the list of proclamations / declarations of those out here who recognize GSTAC as having their voices and concerns. Which Counties, Cities, Utilities, Businesses, and other Organizations declare to formally (or informally) recognize GSTAC? We have the RIGHT to know.
Thank you,
Molly Browne
This is actually the second time I've replied to this, but it must be lost in cyberspace.
Gordon is a member of the GSTAC core, but, he attended this meeting as a resident of the Foothills, District One.
The post to which you refer, was made shortly after SRP contacted GSTAC to discuss placement of the new power stations and lines in unincorporated Pinal County. This particular tour of SRP visited towns, cities, counties, and GSTAC. Why? Because they were a cohesive unit formed to collect input from an otherwise unrepresented area, unincorporated Pinal County.
Molly, we've really gotten off on the wrong foot.
Let me back up and try to convey this concept to you in a way that doesn't tick you off. GSTAC was formed because a need for representation existed. The residents of UPC needed a way to voice their informed opinions and concerns in an organized manner so cities, towns and other entities would have a connection point and to provide residents a network of area activists to facilitate implementation of common interests.
After much debate, members of the San Tan Chamber of Commerce, area leaders, and major stakeholders drafted the white paper and by-laws that created a framework for this representation. They determined boundaries for the Greater San Tan Area, defined districts, set forth fair policies and procedures to insure the integrity of the representation of the citizens will, and much more as detailed on the ourGSTAC website.
You stated that GSTAC did not represent you, I just agreed. Without your consent GSTAC cannot represent your wishes to anyone. However, if you wish to utilize the high visibility of the core team and present your case to your district leader, who in turn will present it to GSTAC, I feel confident that if the citizens deem your concerns worthy of action, the core team and other concerned citizens can greatly assist you.
Only four areas of mutual concern were defined by the core team, education, transportation, economic development and community development. To that end, standing committees have been authorized in these areas. Positions are still open so those who are interested are welcomed to participate. There is no such thing as too much help. We are all volunteers who wish to better our community.
There are no declarations from cities, towns, counties or utilities that indicate GSTAC is a governmental agency, it is not. These entities do acknowledge that the residents of this area are entitled to have a voice. Consequently, SRP made their presentation to GSTAC core in an effort to accommodate facilitation of public input.
Should anyone choose to have GSTAC represent their will and wishes, whether a majority or minority view, we are available to assist you. If you would rather present your own case to these entities, that is also your right. GSTAC is a group of volunteers who want to see this area prosper. We do not have ambitions to control anything, but, we do have a good working knowledge of how to get things done in this area (which is particularly complex with the myriad of interested parties).
Simply, if we can be of service, please contact your GSTAC representative.
Regards,
Anne
I guess my post should have read, "recognized as being formed to represent the interests of area residents."
Anne,
Of course GSTAC is not a government agency. I never made that assertion. I feel as though you are avoiding the issues I have brought up.
You, Anne, stated that GSTAC does not represent me. Why would you claim the GSTAC to represent the resident homeowners of UPC and then tell me that they don't represent me? Am I the only one singled out or are there a few others. Also, how can the GSTAC represent us in this Unincorporated area of Pinal County when all the resident homeowners were not given the opportunity to vote on its members? Furthermore, QCVillager posed an important question to you that I and others would also like the answers to. If the GSTAC has been recognized to be the voice of the people in this area, then who are these people that accept GSTAC to be our voice? Simple question, really. If SRP is communicating with GSTAC under the impression that the people of this area chose GSTAC to be the voice for our concerns, that is fraudulent. Am I wrong? The only information on GSTAC given to the people was by a flyer sent out to us in a Johnson Utilities bill. That right there seems like a BIG conflict of interests. What has GSTAC done to voice the concerns of the residents to Johnson Utilities regarding the festering raw sewage that has remained stagnant for months? That cesspool is sitting right next to my house. I am a married mother of two small children. The homes in here are mostly filled with families who have small children and infants. Seems to me that GSTAC should be all over that! But of course we both know that won't happen seeing as George Johnson holds a seat as a CORE member. I was only notified of the disaster in mid-June when a reporter from Phoenix came door-to-door through my neighborhood to ask our opinions on the matter. That was when I was informed of the previous spills as well. It is certainly a conflict of interests for GSTAC to hold George Johnson as a CORE member. How are we to believe that GSTAC will do anything about the malfeasance brought upon this area by Johnson Utilities when George Johnson is a CORE member of GSTAC? Seems like you keep on attempting to pull the wool over our eyes. As for the GSTAC website, I found it to be rather uninformative. Then again it's been about a week since I viewed it. Please stop beating around the bush. I won't go away. I will only get louder, and if necessary, I will open the eyes of the people around here. Please just answer the questions. We have the right to vote on the members of GSTAC and we have the right to know who all have recognized GSTAC as the voice of us resident homeowners here in the unincorporated area of Pinal County.
You stated.......I guess my post should have read, "recognized as being formed to represent the interests of area residents."
How can that be possible if all the residents out here were not given the chance to vote on its members? Recognized? By who? Itself? Certainly not by the majority of resident homeowners!!!
Waiting for real answers,
Molly Browne
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