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Molly Browne
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Posted: Mon Aug 11th, 2008 10:13 pm |
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anne.reed wrote: Dear Bob and other interested parties:
Ms. Ozie Hayes, from San Tan Heights, stepped forward at the last minute to give our area representation on the Coolidge School Board.
I asked her to give me a brief bio which follows:
OZIE HAYES – CANDIDATE FOR COOLIDGE SCHOOL BOARD
Ozie Hayes is a candidate for the Coolidge School Board. She moved to the San Tan Heights area in 2006 from Michigan where she raised a family and served as a community organizer in Saginaw County.
Ms. Hayes recently relocated to Arizona and welcomes this opportunity to serve on the Coolidge School Board. A major portion of her adult life has been spent in public service, primarily on a volunteer basis.
Ozie views the current vacancy as a unique opportunity to extend her level of public service through “the sharing of resources, whether intellectual, financial or civic, to provide our youth an opportunity to become respected citizens.”
Ozie received her AA degree in Business Administration from Delta College in 1989. She is currently employed by Dillard’s as a Coach Specialist and serves as a Precinct Comitteeperson in Precinct #68.
As a community activist in Saginaw County, Michigan, Ozie worked for the Ezekiel Project. She also served on the St. Casnir church counsel.
Ozie Hayes served on the County Waste Management Board, the County Events Center board, and was Vice-Chair of the Democratic Party in Saginaw County, where she developed and instituted a county-wide program to register High School students to vote.
Ms. Hayes states, “I have long believed it is the responsibility of residents to share their talents and abilities in an effort to improve conditions and the prospects for our youth in their respective communities, cities, and counties.”
Ozie Hayes provides San Tan area residents the opportunity for representation on the Coolidge School Board. Her commitment to youth and years of civic involvement give her the skills necessary to be an asset to the Board and to the community as a whole.
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Ozie will give "this side of the hill" a voice on the Coolidge Board and comes highly recommended by Mary Shope, a former teacher and a former student of the Coolidge School District. I would like to introduce the two of you when you have the time. I think she will be a valuable asset to our growing community and help address it's desperate need for greater educational opportunities in the Coolidge district.
Thank you for your continued efforts on behalf of the residents of unincorporated Pinal County. Our community would be in a far more favorable position if residents would follow your lead and apply their energies to finding solutions to the problems we face. Hat's off to you!
Regards,
Anne
See? Here you go speaking on my behalf again. I pointed out to you where you had claimed that the GSTAC was representing us after you stated they did not represent me. Please stick to the questions at hand. You owe me a response as a part of GSTAC who publicly claims to represent my voice, ideas, and concerns. You also owe a response to QCVillager. Why is it that when you are faced with your own words you cannot respond to them?
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Molly Browne
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Posted: Mon Aug 11th, 2008 10:07 pm |
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Hello? Anne I apologized and clarified this. Now, can you please answer my questions? Do I need to ask them again?
Besides, just before I sent out my apology Bambi clarified that the information I sent out was per her and only misinterpretation. Yet, I still came forward immediately to apologize. Now how about you? Explanations and apologies don't seem to be your forte. Oooooh!!! That's right, I am demanding explanation and apology as I am due from you. Don't make me go and bump your contradictory statements on here now. Stand up and do the right thing or get off your high horse. The ride is over!!
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anne.reed
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Posted: Mon Aug 11th, 2008 10:05 pm |
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anne.reed wrote:
Molly Browne wrote:
Why had Anne not thought to post this? Perhaps because she said NO core members would be in attendance at this meeting. I don't appreciate dishonesty. Anne, is Gordon Brown not on the CORE of GSTAC? You said none of the CORE members would be in attendance. Also, you spelled dear Bryan Martyn's name wrong.
This is a direct quote from my post of August 9, 2008:
"This is a district one meeting. GSTAC core members will not be in attendance, however, those who live in District one have been invited as have their neighbors."
Gordon Brown is a resident of District 1.
It had already been posted by Bambi.
My apologies to Bryan Martyn.
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Anne
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anne.reed
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Posted: Mon Aug 11th, 2008 10:01 pm |
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Dear Bob and other interested parties:
Ms. Ozie Hayes, from San Tan Heights, stepped forward at the last minute to give our area representation on the Coolidge School Board.
I asked her to give me a brief bio which follows:
OZIE HAYES – CANDIDATE FOR COOLIDGE SCHOOL BOARD
Ozie Hayes is a candidate for the Coolidge School Board. She moved to the San Tan Heights area in 2006 from Michigan where she raised a family and served as a community organizer in Saginaw County.
Ms. Hayes recently relocated to Arizona and welcomes this opportunity to serve on the Coolidge School Board. A major portion of her adult life has been spent in public service, primarily on a volunteer basis.
Ozie views the current vacancy as a unique opportunity to extend her level of public service through “the sharing of resources, whether intellectual, financial or civic, to provide our youth an opportunity to become respected citizens.”
Ozie received her AA degree in Business Administration from Delta College in 1989. She is currently employed by Dillard’s as a Coach Specialist and serves as a Precinct Comitteeperson in Precinct #68.
As a community activist in Saginaw County, Michigan, Ozie worked for the Ezekiel Project. She also served on the St. Casnir church counsel.
Ozie Hayes served on the County Waste Management Board, the County Events Center board, and was Vice-Chair of the Democratic Party in Saginaw County, where she developed and instituted a county-wide program to register High School students to vote.
Ms. Hayes states, “I have long believed it is the responsibility of residents to share their talents and abilities in an effort to improve conditions and the prospects for our youth in their respective communities, cities, and counties.”
Ozie Hayes provides San Tan area residents the opportunity for representation on the Coolidge School Board. Her commitment to youth and years of civic involvement give her the skills necessary to be an asset to the Board and to the community as a whole.
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Ozie will give "this side of the hill" a voice on the Coolidge Board and comes highly recommended by Mary Shope, a former teacher and a former student of the Coolidge School District. I would like to introduce the two of you when you have the time. I think she will be a valuable asset to our growing community and help address it's desperate need for greater educational opportunities in the Coolidge district.
Thank you for your continued efforts on behalf of the residents of unincorporated Pinal County. Our community would be in a far more favorable position if residents would follow your lead and apply their energies to finding solutions to the problems we face. Hat's off to you!
Regards,
Anne
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Molly Browne
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Posted: Mon Aug 11th, 2008 08:32 pm |
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Bob,
I do not appreciate the GSTAC claiming to represent me and other resident homeowners out here. We did not vote to have the GSTAC or its CORE members to publicly represent us resident homeowners. To have one voice that represents us implies that we have voted for all of you. I have asked many questions and have received no answers, so then how can the GSTAC represent me? Anne told me that GSTAC does not represent me or my ideas/concerns. Does that mean the GSTAC is claiming to represent the voices of all resident homeowners in this unincorporated area of Pinal County except for me? In that case why single out one or few taxpaying citizens from having their voice heard? As far as your friend George Johnson, can you ask him why he has allowed raw sewage to spill next to my house so many times? Can you also ask him why he has allowed this raw sewage to sit stagnant for months next to my house? I'm sure he is aware that most of the homes in here have small children. I am a married mother with 2 small children of my own. I don't appreciate having raw sewage lie stagnant next to my house for months. I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate it either. I'm not sure if George would like to live right next to it or not. I'm guessing he wouldn't mind living right next to raw sewage. After all, the Christian thing to do is "do unto others what you would have done unto you". Well, anyhoo, please let your friend know that the residents in here, including myself, do not like being forced to live next to this festering raw sewage spill especially with all of our small children and infants. I have paid all my bills in a timely fashion. I am due the same respect. Also, it seems ridiculous that our sewer bills are much greater than our water bills. Johnson Utilities may want to check with H2O and see that water costs SIGNIFICANTLY less than sewage costs. Hmmm....that makes no sense. And for being charged so much for sewer service, why then am I forced to live right next to stagnant raw sewage for so dang long. I should have never had to deal with such an insanitary situation in the first place. I pay my bills on time. If I wanted to live next to such a nasty site, I could have saved a lot of money on sewer service and just had my family defecate in the backyard. However, I am civilized and potty-trained and I choose not to live that way. Yet, I am still being forced to live with everyone's poop even though I pay my very expensive sewer bill on time.
Frustrated and fedup,
Molly Browne
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Posted: Mon Aug 11th, 2008 07:54 pm |
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Bob. You have done an admirable thing by posting your information about yourself. You are the only one who has given us some insight into who/what/how this organization of friends transpired and who the players are. Perhaps it's your Christian principles that gives insight into yourself to your neighbors who are always asking for some insight into the group. That's why there is speculation. Speculation goes by the wayside when information is dispensed, as you have done. And I do believe you.
Now. Why don't you ask your friend Gordon Brown to give us insight into his background, as he is a professed leader and people want to know who he is; what he's doing in our behalf; some information on their website would help too. But, he keeps everything secret and away from us. Just as you have done on here now, why can't he practice the same transparancy? He has been asked over and over again, as has Anne, to define the representation she speaks ofwith other municipalities. Utility Co.'s and etc. Never a response and no explanation of their website. You're a Christian. I'm an agnostic. Anne's a Christian. Now...what would Jesus do? He would bring us under his wings and disclose all these mysteries to us, as we are a part of the flock. He would speak to us and answer our questions and embrace our families and give us confidence. A christian act of giving and sharing.
And do you approve of the two CORE members, George Johnson and Bryan Thomsette? Do you approve of what they have done to this resident/taxpayer (myself) and to my fellow resident, Krista? Do you agree they should serve on this committee and represent the residents out here? That they should sue us for all we own? Where are those who will support us? What group of Christians will come to our aid?
NONE. NOT ONE SINGLE ONE OF YOU! Meaning yourself, anne, ed, gordon....all those professing to represent us and entice us into their group with promises of direction and assistance and caring about our welfare out here. Where are they?
Thanks BoB.
Oh yes. I understand Gordon is a Christian too.
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Posted: Mon Aug 11th, 2008 07:17 pm |
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Dear UNPC residents,
There has be speculation as to my affiliations, positions, motivations, and I appreciate those in our community that tryed to correct speculative and even sometimes disparaging remarks about me or my activities. You honor me with your willingness to stand up for me. Thankyou!
So lets clear the air.
I am married to the fabulous Rebecca, have 3 fantastic children, two of whom are special needs, and whom I adopted.
Although raised LDS in Wyoming (never actively practicing), I'm now an evangelical Christian who found his way back to Christ while leading a team on a remote desert outpost on the border between Saudi Arabia and Iraq (KKMC for those of like experience or curiosity). That was during a 20 year career in uniform in the USAF, of which more than 8 years was served overseas. During my Air Force career, I always involved myself in community service activities both on and off my various duty postings. I have helped organize/sponsor food drives, blood drives, seatbelt/safety seat use drives, special Olympics, among others activities. I have volunteered in emergency rooms, as unit safety officer, environmental rep, election officer. Come election time, you could always find me off-duty helping folks complete their voter registration and ballot requests.
Besides the various charities to which I privately provide financial support, I have served as a volunteer coordinator for groups of teens, women, couples on several Habitat for Humanity projects around the valley. I try to volunteer to serve at each Sunday Service I attend.
I am proud to count myself as a board member of the San Tan Mountains PRIDE Association (STMPA), and have enjoyed the privilege of being the volunteer coordinator for hundreds of volunteers for the PRIDE's sponsored annual community cleanup these past two years. Recently, I have been involved as a citizen advocate with several government agencies around the county in trying to speed progress to eliminating the hazards of abandoned mine works and shafts near our communities. All of my elected representatives (or at least their staffs), from the President down, know my name as we exchange correspondence on a verity of topics each year.
In all of my volunteer activities I always marvel at the various motivations for getting involved, and feel blessed for having had so many opportunities to witness the joy in the faces of so many that have made that choice. But, all that activity has help drive home for me the almost overwhelming need to get more folks in our community involved in helping to solve our many problems, and in taking advantage of opportunities to make our community better. Supervisor Smith and I refer to this as The SPARK, that motivates people to serve.
For the record, I was never a member of the Better Living Coalition (BLC), but do count many of the now disbanded organization as my friends, and I hope they feel the same of me. Many are my neighbors and I value their friendship. I am a registered Republican, and many already know I support Bryan Martyn for Pinal County District 2, Board of Supervisors. Beside a common history as a brother in uniform and long service to our nation, I see in him an inspired leader that will do great things for the County's citizens. But, not be rubber stamped as towing the Republican party line, I find myself in support of our Democrat Sherriff, Chris Vasques. I had great respect for his predecessor Sheriff Roger Vanderpool, now Arizona Director of Public Safety. I find though many correspondence and having met Sherriff Vasques on several occasions that of the candidate field, he is the best man for the job, and that he would be best for the safety of the citizens of Pinal County. Unfortunately, although I have been involved in trying to improve the school District, I have not been able to throw my support behind a Coolidge School Board candidate, as I am desperate to see candidates from UNPC step forward. Logistically, that task is impossible for me.
My positions on incorporation and annexation have never been a secret, and in fact are a matter of public record in the TOQC, as I have been trying for several years to convince my neighborhood of the merits of annexation into the Town of Queen Creek, and have never wavered on that stance. As for the Greater San Tan Area Coalition (GSTAC), I know this may traumatize some of you, but it is my understanding that the GSTAC organizers view every resident and landowner within the GSTAC proposed boundary as members, by virtue of residency or property ownership. My understanding is that the vision wishes to exclude no one, nor misrepresent anyone. I know of know dues, membership application, etc, just an invitation to join with your neighbors to organize within a coalition created for all in the UNPC, that is intended to develop as those who choose to get involved shall decide.
I am not running for any public office, and that is not my calling. The reason I say all this is to leave no question about me in the minds of my neighbors, of my community, of my elected representatives. My motivations for activity in my community is not self serving, but rather is trying to help my neighbors and my community achieve a better quality of life, to not just sit on the sidelines a watch others do it, but to be part of it, to be a cog in the wheel of constructive change, to champion constructive dialog where everyone feels welcomed and valued. That is how I have lived my life, and will continue to do so.
GSTAC is an opportunity for the citizens of UNPC to define a vision of how a wider dialog might emerge, and how we might involve more folks in the conversation what happens in the Greater San Tan Area. More voices at the table can't be a bad thing. Again, I encourage UNPC citizens to become a GSTAC volunteer, and to register at ourGSTAC.com to stay plugged into GSTAC news and activities.
Respectfully
Bob Dotson
GSTAC District 1 Volunteer
San Tan Foothills, UNPC
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Molly Browne
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Posted: Mon Aug 11th, 2008 06:23 pm |
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A good man brought a point to my attention:
Out here most of us have an HOA. Can we have our HOAs all come together to represent us resident homeowners in this unincorporated Pinal County area? It sounds like a great idea!! For those who reside here without an HOA, can they hold neighborhood meetings to choose members to join with all the HOAs to form a group of TRUE representatives? It seems like a perfect idea to me! I wish it had been my own idea.
Thank you,
Molly Browne
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Molly Browne
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Posted: Mon Aug 11th, 2008 06:02 pm |
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CharWester wrote: One quick comment:
I live in District 1 and I only am aware of ONE meeting that has taken place in which they addressed area problems. That was only about a week ago. So, how is it that they are representing us, District 1, when we have only had one meeting and no voting etc. has yet to take place.
While I appreciate the efforts, I am not comfortable with a person or two representing my neighbors and myself. We are not going to be forced into following this group. This "group" DOES NOT REPRESENT ME! I have brought up issues to them that my neighborhood faces, and they were not addressed, as they said flooding was more important. So, my neighbors and I have taken it upon ourselves to work together as neighbors to accomplish a resolution. Thanks, but no thanks GSTAC.
I really think that we need to get the word out to these municipalities etc that this isa VERY small group, formally known as the BLC, which is comprised of about 5 or 6 people that DO NOT represent the residents of this area!!!!! What kind of things are they making decisions on? Why are just a handful speaking on behalf of 1000's. I have been to meetings and know people that have attended other meetings and we all recognize that very few "members" attend these meetings. So why are they being given so much recognition?
So, anyone can start a group and state that they represent 1000's of residents, even though they truly represent only a handful!!!! That is pretty scary! Communism is alive in The San Tan Foothills!!!!
Thank you, CharWester!! We need more concerned resident homeowners to come forth and speak out against this group. I am offended that the GSTAC would publicly claim to represent us when they clearly do not. Pretty scary indeed!! Communism? Sure seems like it!!
Thank you,
Molly Browne
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Molly Browne
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QCVillager wrote:
anne.reed wrote: Dear Starleen:
GSTAC is recognized by counties, cities, utilities and other organizations, to represent the interests of our large unannexed population.
Regards,
Anne
QCVillager wrote:
i don't recall seeing the proclamations/declarations. please include the declarations of the counties, cities, utilities and other organizations formally recognizing GSTAC on your website and/or provide links to same here.
1> I am apologizing if anyone was offended by my stating the fact that Gordon is CORE in the GSTAC. He is a resident of District 1. Was he there on behalf of GSTAC or as a resident? I am not sure. Only he can answer that. It is very possible he was there for both reasons.
2> Anne, you have still not explained why you wrote to me on here stating that GSTAC does NOT represent me as a resident homeowner of the unincorporated Pinal County side of QC when you clearly stated to all on here that they do represent us. I showed you where you had contradicted yourself. You have not yet chosen to respond. Let me ask you, are you saying they represent everyone out here except for me? Do they or do they not represent me in your opinion? I know of no one who has accepted their representation. To the contrary, many are disgusted that GSTAC has claimed, per your postings and your GSTAC website, to represent us. I find it odd that you have chosen to release certain information and keep other information secret. That is not the way to win people over, Anne. That's a great way to make enemies in this area of which you claim GSTAC represents.
3> Anne, the residents of this area want to see the list of proclamations / declarations of those out here who recognize GSTAC as having their voices and concerns. Which Counties, Cities, Utilities, Businesses, and other Organizations declare to formally (or informally) recognize GSTAC? We have the RIGHT to know.
Thank you,
Molly Browne
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Posted: Mon Aug 11th, 2008 02:52 pm |
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I am not attempting to discredit Bob. I am only making a statement in answer to your accusations, that others had the same notion about Bob's belonging to the BLC, not just me. I am not trying to demonize anyone.....that was done on their own accord when the BLC got involved in SanTanFlats, and now everything else out here.
Do something constructive for my community? Are you assuming I'm not?
It does no good to discuss this further indeed. It sounds like a mole may be working in your camp so I'll just mosey out of here. Let other people make the discoveries of truth and attempts to bring the people together. Let them form their own groups. Let them attempt to put on events. Let them go to the community's aid by denouncing Johnson Utilities failures publically, without a Community's representative coming to their aid. Let them try to bring in revenue to their community. Let them sing the praises of the First Amendment and shout out to all who can hear that "our will; the "people's will, be done." I will represent myself and continue to hear and be forwarded, false information about my efforts. Threats, intimidation and false accusations will once again abound as it did a few years ago after Gordon's email....., unless I say "I give up."
Have a nice day. Got to get ready to go to work.
Oh yes; I forgot. gsbill was at the Perrys lot that day too and walked around and discussed the challenges with us.....but we made no determination. The "determination" of not to set up there, was done by the owners....the Perrys and we agreed.
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I am telling you straight up that Bob Dotson was NOT a member of the BLC,I know that for a FACT because I was a member.
ANYONE that claims different is NOT TELLING THE TRUTH.
Another false accusation and lie.
I did NOT call you a liar,again you are assuming something. If your source of information is making false accusations or telling outright lies, then yes..........the statement is a lie, but it in no way calls you a liar.
A lie or false accusation eventually takes on a life of it's own and keeps on being told.
Notice CSI's post says Bob Dotson was a BLC member too. Is he a liar too? DId he just make up the fact too? I wonder how many other people on here think the same thing?
Yes ....it is a false accusation (or lie) . It IS NOT TRUE PERIOD!!!! I do not understand the current move to discredit Mr. Dotson who's motives are his own and and what he believes is best for his participation and input into his neighborhood. You have your concerns about issues and so does everyone else. Just because they may try to be active and be a part of something should not lead them to be accused and misrepresented because they may......or may not agree with you.
The answer is very simple Bambi...........stop trying so hard to demonize a group or organisation that you disagree with, it is their inherent right to do what they do to better the community as they see fit. Please just start a different organisation or group to support your ideas and issues of concern. The more groups around seeking change, allows for healthy competition and even can lead to a new understanding of others views
You have an interest in doing something for the community........do something constructive, rather than tear others down who desire to do the same thing.
A very tired and overused phrase comes to mind......."can't we all just get along?"
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Another false accusation and lie.
That's calling me a liar....with big red print meaning loud and clear.
Next:
....."and it's my understanding that it was not an official GSTAC event, and that you personally looked at the site for an event and found it to not be acceptable."
Not true. It was the Perry's that said that there land was not acceptable, not me. It was Mrs. Perry in fact, that approached us at the site and deemed it unsuitable for this GSTAC/Bambi Event. We agreed with her after she brought up the fire risk. This is after Gordon said they offered it and made arrangements for me to go there with Anne, himself and Char. Ask Anne. She was there when the Perrys walked up to us to tell us that. Gordon never showed up. I felt I had been set up. But you weren't there, so where did you get that false information you just stated?
Next: .........can we assume that it was a realtor's event, since at least two of you are realtor's. The whole entire notion of claiming the Perry's were part of it because you made a wild guess is wrong.
Even more reason for me not wanting to have you and your friends represent me. That's warped reasoning. Wild guess? I sat at a table with Gordon and Bryan and discussed alot of things and heard alot of things. I also had a conversation about combining my get together, mentioned on here for Bryan M. campaign, with GSTAC's, Gordon stating it will be held at the Perrys, when it was originally planned for my place. Now where is the wild guess coming from? That's just drawing conclusions based on information that was given to me at that time. A site you were not at.
Bob Dotson? Notice CSI's post says Bob Dotson was a BLC member too. Is he a liar too? DId he just make up the fact too? I wonder how many other people on here think the same thing? Will you try to make them look like liars too?
This post tells me that you are speaking to someone that is not telling the truth. Someone who knew what was going on with the Perrys that day. It wasn't me. Not Char. Must have been the Perry's or Gordon or Anne. Now I would pick Gordon, as he is the one who wrote that email I posted on here, accusing me of holding a meeting in Unit 8 and having Sandie come out and ask the Gilbert guys to leave. No meeting ever occured. It was created to make his followers think ill of me, and that they did. Complete lie with intent to do harm. Should I bring that email up again on here to freshen your memory of how GB operates? That demonstrates dishonesty and it's happening again right now. Me being accused of deeming the Perry's site unsuitable after walking it is a lie that is intended to make me look uncredible. The same thing Gordon's email attempted to do to me....discredit me. Now I have two sources of untruths.
Tell me who told you that I made that false statement please. Guess's and assumptions are not lies. Your statement is a lie to do harm.
If anyone finds that email that Gordon sent out to all his BLC members and other iterested partys that I posted on here, I would appreciate it being brought up on here again. You will see a pattern.
Your members refers to gstac, not you.
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He eluded to the Perry's being a part of it, and using their property for the event made me believe they were members. Again, you weren't there so no need to jump in and try to make a statement of fact. But that's fine....down to 5. Another insight into membership. Like pulling teeth to find out. Anymore you would like to add or subtract that are/aren't a part of GSTAC? For not being a member, you sure do know what's going on. We have no other way of knowing who your members are,
Bambi,
I called you no names, where did that come from?
Just because the Perry's offered the use of their land does not make them members of GSTAC, and it's my understanding that it was not an official GSTAC event, and that you personally looked at the site for an event and found it to not be acceptable.
Can we now assume that you are a member of GSTAC because you were in collusion with the Perry's Anne, Gordon and Char in looking at the location for the event??
Or can we assume that it was a realtor's event, since at least two of you are realtor's. The whole entire notion of claiming the Perry's were part of it because you made a wild guess is wrong.
And again you just made up the fact that Bob Dotson was a member of the BLC with absolutely no basis in fact. By your own statement above you are making wild guesses just to see how people respond to these accusations.
I am not a member Bambi, and anyone will tell you that . I have told you that! I am confidant that Char has told you that also. I sure seem to know a lot about GSTAC...huh?...........the only thing I know is how to use a telephone and talk to people. I don't just make up accusations.
We have no other way of knowing who your members are,
You admit to making wild guesses and assumptions. Please explain what you mean by "who my members are???
The only thing I put my time into and am in active support of is the PCSO Posse, nothing else.
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Sorry ole boy but he did tell me that on my front patio out here the day he spoke to people I had asked to come and listen to him speak about GSTAC. When I asked him about why he did not choose me or some other people out here to serve originally, he said...."I didn't even ask Gene to be a part of it....." blah blah blah. Not a lie. Exact words in fact. But, I thought it was bs too, perhaps to make me feel better. Funny, I didn't see your here that day, so how do you know he did or didn't tell me? Guesswork? Paranormal?
Anyway, I expect the denial from him. CYA. Now, we eliminate Bob....thank you. Only way I can find out who is and who isn't on the membership. Down to 6. Perrys? Strange. Gordon insinuated to me they were a part when he asked me to allow GSTAC to put on the event for Bryan as a combo of me and GSTAC, and made arrangements to use the Perry's land....which, of course ended up being a GSTAC Event at the School Park of which my event was hijacked....what a turn around. He eluded to the Perry's being a part of it, and using their property for the event made me believe they were members. Again, you weren't there so no need to jump in and try to make a statement of fact. But that's fine....down to 5. Another insight into membership. Like pulling teeth to find out. Anymore you would llike to add or subtract that are/aren't a part of GSTAC? For not being a member, you sure do know what's going on. We have no other way of knowing who your members are, or should I just go to the tax rolls and make a copy of everyone's name and title it "GSTAC Membership List, representing the Will of 46,000 people inhabiting the San Tans." A quote from your GSTAC........
.........The position would become the “voice” of GSTAC on that position and would be represented to the County, municipalities, developers, groups or any other interested party as the will of the people.
In law, a quorum is the minimum number of members of a deliberative body (GSTAC's former BLC members is all I can find so far)necessary to conduct the business of that group. Therefore, they can vote and respond and act on behalf of everyone in that group as they deem fit, as long as there is a quorum present. 5 out 5 show up? quorum.
Keep calling me names and I'll have to have the Wolfeman bannish you.
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Bambi,
False accusations? I think not. 1 or 2, right? Let's see now. gk is one (you were told by Gordon you couldn't be a part of it, as per Gordon to me, perhaps because your are controversial on here.) Gordon DIDNOT tell you that!! Another false accusation and lie. I was asked to be on it and attended the first meeting, but I told them that I could not follow the directive of being impartial and represent the wished of everyone. That is the truth and anything else is BS. yet you think and defend their presense. #2....Anne Reed. #3....Ed Guerra. #4....Bob Dotson. #5....Gordon Brown. #6.....the Perrys. $7; others whom I can't say who as no membership is accessible. Bob Dotson was NEVER a member of the BLC and that also is a fabrication of an overactive imagination. Also Bill and JOan are doing their own thing with friends of the Park and are NOT GSTAC. But I could research it I suppose by just asking. No one would lie to me, so I feel pretty confident the truth will be known. 7. that's a quorum. What's a quorum?
Just becareful who you accuse of making false accusations. Be sure they're false before you speak. I DO KNOW THEY ARE FALSE!!!!!! Prove me wrong.....you can't
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gk wrote: VERY small group, formally known as the BLC
Please do not spread false imformation and inuendo.........as this accusation has gone on far too long and has been given a life of it's own.
Yes, there are 1 or 2 on GSTAC that were members of the BLC but that does NOT IN ANY WAY make it a BLC affiliated organization
That is the same thing if I were to claim that the only people that accuse GSTAC are realtors, or past members of the Optomists.
PLease ........no more false accusations
False accusations? I think not. 1 or 2, right? Let's see now. gk is one (you were told by Gordon you couldn't be a part of it, as per Gordon to me, perhaps because your are controversial on here.) yet you think and defend their presense. #2....Anne Reed. #3....Ed Guerra. #4....Bob Dotson. #5....Gordon Brown. #6.....the Perrys. $7; others whom I can't say who as no membership is accessible. But I could research it I suppose by just asking. No one would lie to me, so I feel pretty confident the truth will be known. 7. that's a quorum. In law, a quorum is the minimum number of members of a deliberative body necessary to conduct the business of that group.
For the record: No false accusations were made. Your defense mechanism is engaged again. After all, that's your primary reason for being on here, as you posted when IR was still here. Too watch over your flock and correct the lies being perpertrated on here.
Just becareful who you accuse of making false accusations. Be sure they're false before you speak. Thank you.
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gk wrote: VERY small group, formally known as the BLC
Please do not spread false imformation and inuendo.........as this accusation has gone on far too long and has been given a life of it's own.
Yes, there are 1 or 2 on GSTAC that were members of the BLC but that does NOT IN ANY WAY make it a BLC affiliated organization
That is the same thing if I were to claim that the only people that accuse GSTAC are realtors, or past members of the Optomists.
PLease ........no more false accusations
Prove it. You can't. There are more than just 1 or two on GSTAC from BLC. I can't prove more because GSTAC won't put names of the people they chose to represent the will of the people on their website. Gordon Brown, Anne Reed, Bob Dotson, Ed Guerra and I am sure there are more.
http://www.ourgstac.com/index.php?option=com_easyfaq&Itemid=71
How can you say that GSTAC represents the will of the people and not just the eleven people on the CORE team?
[size=+0]This is really the heart of the matter isn’t it. As a CORE team we have spent the past year wrestling with just this point. How do we gain public trust that what GSTAC is, really represents the will of the people and not decisions of and by the organizing group (CORE). The whole idea in creating the Extended Visioning Team and the Task Forces was designed to bring individual issues to the residents in an organized fashion, educate the residents using experts around the issue and then collect their feelings/decisions around that issue on a district by district basis. Once the issue was brought to the districts, the feelings of the residents within those districts would be collected and unified into a Greater San Tan Area position. The position would become the “voice” of GSTAC on that position and would be represented to the County, municipalities, developers, groups or any other interested party as the will of the people. The CORE members and District Representatives and anyone else who is speaking (testifying) on behalf of GSTAC represents that position on the issue (even if they personally disagree with it). It is critical in this open process that all residents can participate, stay in communication with each other within the districts, know what the other districts are saying about a particular issue and what the collective decision on the issue is. We intend to use the website and communication networks established within the districts (by the districts) to ensure that this remains a fully representative process. For those people who think that it can not be done or that we will somehow manipulate the system, I ask them to become involved in the process and help to make it work. There always seem to be a lot of people who are willing to stand on the sidelines and criticize, if you have a better way, let’s hear it. People moan about the situation in the San Tan area, why not be part of the solution. This solution has not been tried on this large of scale; come and help us make it work.
Why did you create the structure with the CORE team, extended team, the districts and all that? Why not just ask people what they want?
When the CORE Team first began to meet early in 2007, we recognized that there were no consistent, organized communication networks within the Greater San Tan Area. In other words there was no organized way to speak with the individual residents on a broad scale about specific issues except through the newspaper, television or organized entities/groups. And while the newspapers are fine, they write stories that will sell newspapers not necessarily what represents a community perspective and it doesn’t provide a way to get consistent, representative feedback from the residents. We don’t have a TV station and there aren’t enough local groups to adequately cover the Area. So how do you get to and get from the local residents their individual and collective perspective on an issue? That was our challenge. Our solution was to take the whole Greater San Tan Area and break it up into balanced geographical districts based upon population, common interests and areas under development. We arrived at nine districts that are subject to change based upon public input and population changes over time.
We then wrestled with how to consistently get information to and from the residents within the district? Our solution was to create the Extended Visioning Team which is made up of two individuals from each district who will become organizers, facilitators, motivators and communicators within the individual districts. We added the Visioning Task Forces as a way the “District Facilitators/Leaders” could create district forums to bring interested residents of the district together to be educated upon an issue, debate the merits and limitations of the issue and arrive at a consensus view. That view will be the only view that the District Facilitator/Leader represents because it is the will of the people within that District. If the same issue is brought to all nine districts and they process the issue the same way, then the result is a collective view based upon the input from all residents which would be the will of the people of the Greater San Tan Area on that issue. The CORE Team and the Extended Team are then bound to represent that collective view to the whole population of the Greater San Tan Area through public forums, Pinal County, municipalities, organized interests such as SRP or ADOT and a host of others. If we are requested to testify before the County on a specific issue, the collective decision is what is represented not a personal view.
Authoritarianism is alive and spreading.
of or pertaining to a governmental or political system, principle, or practice in which individual freedom is held as completely subordinate to the power or authority of the state, centered either in one person or a small group that is not constitutionally accountable to the people
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VERY small group, formally known as the BLC
Please do not spread false imformation and inuendo.........as this accusation has gone on far too long and has been given a life of it's own.
Yes, there are 1 or 2 on GSTAC that were members of the BLC but that does NOT IN ANY WAY make it a BLC affiliated organization
That is the same thing if I were to claim that the only people that accuse GSTAC are realtors, or past members of the Optomists.
PLease ........no more false accusations
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One quick comment:
I live in District 1 and I only am aware of ONE meeting that has taken place in which they addressed area problems. That was only about a week ago. So, how is it that they are representing us, District 1, when we have only had one meeting and no voting etc. has yet to take place.
While I appreciate the efforts, I am not comfortable with a person or two representing my neighbors and myself. We are not going to be forced into following this group. This "group" DOES NOT REPRESENT ME! I have brought up issues to them that my neighborhood faces, and they were not addressed, as they said flooding was more important. So, my neighbors and I have taken it upon ourselves to work together as neighbors to accomplish a resolution. Thanks, but no thanks GSTAC.
I really think that we need to get the word out to these municipalities etc that this isa VERY small group, formally known as the BLC, which is comprised of about 5 or 6 people that DO NOT represent the residents of this area!!!!! What kind of things are they making decisions on? Why are just a handful speaking on behalf of 1000's. I have been to meetings and know people that have attended other meetings and we all recognize that very few "members" attend these meetings. So why are they being given so much recognition?
So, anyone can start a group and state that they represent 1000's of residents, even though they truly represent only a handful!!!! That is pretty scary! Communism is alive in The San Tan Foothills!!!!
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anne.reed wrote: Molly Browne wrote:
Why had Anne not thought to post this? Perhaps because she said NO core members would be in attendance at this meeting. I don't appreciate dishonesty. Anne, is Gordon Brown not on the CORE of GSTAC? You said none of the CORE members would be in attendance. Also, you spelled dear Bryan Martyn's name wrong.
This is a direct quote from my post of August 9, 2008:
"This is a district one meeting. GSTAC core members will not be in attendance, however, those who live in District one have been invited as have their neighbors."
Gordon Brown is a resident of District 1.
It had already been posted by Bambi.
My apologies to Bryan Martyn.
Regards,
Anne
Anne: Please do not blame Molly for the comment. It was my comment said to her, about your being dishonest. She was only passing on what I said and received from you. And that was in reference to stating no CORE members were attending, when in reality, one who happens to live in the district was going to be attending, and I felt that you should have disclosed that to us in your invite. Your post was not made on Aug. 9, but was made on Aug. 4th., concerning this.
But as I re read the sentence, I can see now where you state: " however, those who live in District one have been invited as have their neighbors." I assume that "those" refers to CORE members? Those to me means more than one; Is there more than one CORE member living in District 1? That's why I probably did not make the connection. Gordon was not going to be there (CORE) but yet he was going to be there (resident).
Semantics is perhaps the problem here, but none the less, I was the culprit, not Molly. My apologies. If you are going to continue to put information out on here, please be more specific. Thank you.
Sorry Molly for the misinformation....or misunderstood information. It was vagueness I guess, and not dishonesty. my mistake.
I probably should just quit reading her ongoing posts about this Group on this Forum. Why can't she publish this GSTAC Information on their GSTAC website, then maybe this vagueness will disappear. But she keeps coming back, even when challenged from just about everyone on here, continuing to leave her own website blank. Why?
Must have been that helicopter ride.
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2 cents wrote: B, do you think the QC Council is taking GSTAC as the one voice when you have QCV on the Council and it appears as though he sees things for what they are?
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It "appears" QCV sees things for what they are. But he is still seeking answers so he can determine for sure and to share that discovery with the other council members.
All they have to do is answer his question, and if not for anything else, but for courtesy to an adjoining neighbor's governmental/overseeing body of residents.
JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION IN RESPONSE TO THESE STATEMENTS BY ANNE:
"SRP approached all effected municipalities, and GSTAC" Now why did they approach GSTAC? What type of representation was made to them that SRP would approach them right along with municipalities?
Here is the QC Councilmans request again: Will Anne answer it on here or perhaps at a Council meeting or ? Or does someone have to call SRP and ask them this question? Who approached them and what was their "approach" to SRP? He/we have a right to know what's going on, even though GSTAC has stated they don't owe us any explantion. I say they do, and by making that statement of not owing accountability, that just makes me want to know even more, as that was their mentality with San Tan Flats, and look where that got us.
QCV's question: "Anne, perhaps you could just post the names of the counties, cities, utilities and other organizations, that have VERBALLY recognized GSTAC to represent the interests of the large unannexed population."
"i would also ask then for you to post the name of the specific person from each of those counties, cities, utilities and other organizations that has committed to said recognition of GSTAC to represent the interests of the large unannexed population."
And the answer is...............?
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B, do you think the QC Council is taking GSTAC as the one voice when you have QCV on the Council and it appears as though he sees things for what they are?
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Bambi wrote: azsunshine wrote: Bambi wrote: .....My Opinion? They refuse to acknowledge you.....Don't acknowledge them at your council meetings. They are Pinal residents and don't even live within your impact area. Why give them 3 minutes of precious time that one of your residents could use? .......
. The three minute talking time shouldn't be taken up by all PC residents that is for sure--TOQC should have enough residents of there own to stand up for Russ and other business. Residents should be given first chance then if there is enough time, then non residents in my opinion only.
taken from above:
"In my opinion, QCV is above that type of behavior. Honest question = honest answer in my opinion."
You're right. I shouldn't allow my own feelings about GSTAC's One Voice representation of us out here in Pinal ,at a Q.C.Council meeting, get in the way of the right thing to do.
But if QC Council does acknowledge that Voice as that One Voice they are promoting and advertising on their website and to the media that speaks for us, then I want Q.C. Council to know that my voice was not given to GSTAC, but remains my own. Now if they are just representing themselves and/or a documented membership, then I have no problem with them speaking the 3 minutes or attending QC's meetings. It's their right. It's Q.C.'s call.
It's the "representation" being portrayed that is at question here. And I think that is what QCV has been asking of her, over and over, so he will know how to receive or acknowledge GSTAC. Just full disclosure with a little bit of transparancy is all that is asked of them, but they ignore all those requests. And nothing is disclosed on their website nor do they probably feel they need to disclose anything on there.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
Totally agree...anne reed as an individual is a different matter than anne reed GSTAC "representative" of our area. I didn't consider her speaking other than as an individual. Thank you for showing me that it may be considered otherwise (which I too wouldn't agree with)
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azsunshine wrote: Bambi wrote: .....My Opinion? They refuse to acknowledge you.....Don't acknowledge them at your council meetings. They are Pinal residents and don't even live within your impact area. Why give them 3 minutes of precious time that one of your residents could use? .......
. The three minute talking time shouldn't be taken up by all PC residents that is for sure--TOQC should have enough residents of there own to stand up for Russ and other business. Residents should be given first chance then if there is enough time, then non residents in my opinion only.
taken from above:
"In my opinion, QCV is above that type of behavior. Honest question = honest answer in my opinion."
You're right. I shouldn't allow my own feelings about GSTAC's One Voice representation of us out here in Pinal ,at a Q.C.Council meeting, get in the way of the right thing to do.
But if QC Council does acknowledge that Voice as that One Voice they are promoting and advertising on their website and to the media that speaks for us, then I want Q.C. Council to know that my voice was not given to GSTAC, but remains my own. Now if they are just representing themselves and/or a documented membership, then I have no problem with them speaking the 3 minutes or attending QC's meetings. It's their right. It's Q.C.'s call.
It's the "representation" being portrayed that is at question here. And I think that is what QCV has been asking of her, over and over, so he will know how to receive or acknowledge GSTAC. Just full disclosure with a little bit of transparancy is all that is asked of them, but they ignore all those requests. And nothing is disclosed on their website nor do they probably feel they need to disclose anything on there.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
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Molly Browne wrote:
Why had Anne not thought to post this? Perhaps because she said NO core members would be in attendance at this meeting. I don't appreciate dishonesty. Anne, is Gordon Brown not on the CORE of GSTAC? You said none of the CORE members would be in attendance. Also, you spelled dear Bryan Martyn's name wrong.
This is a direct quote from my post of August 9, 2008:
"This is a district one meeting. GSTAC core members will not be in attendance, however, those who live in District one have been invited as have their neighbors."
Gordon Brown is a resident of District 1.
It had already been posted by Bambi.
My apologies to Bryan Martyn.
Regards,
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Bambi wrote: .....My Opinion? They refuse to acknowledge you.....Don't acknowledge them at your council meetings. They are Pinal residents and don't even live within your impact area. Why give them 3 minutes of precious time that one of your residents could use? .......
In my opinion, QCV is above that type of behavior. Honest question = honest answer in my opinion. The three minute talking time shouldn't be taken up by all PC residents that is for sure--TOQC should have enough residents of there own to stand up for Russ and other business. Residents should be given first chance then if there is enough time, then non residents in my opinion only.
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I find it strange that Anne is working on Queen Creek issues and seeks to represent people in Q.C. (Russ and those Q.C. residents that choose to follow her), and seeks to address the Q.C.Council on this issue, but yet fails to respond to one of those Councilman. Once again, GSTAC will stand for or tell you what they want you to know only. but when asked by a Q.C. Council member on here to explain further, they refuse to acknowledge him. That's once again, the "selective reasoning" philosophy they adhere to. IF they feel you need to know, they will tell you. If they don't want you to know, they won't tell you. That type of reasoning is dangerous. This is a Group that owes nobody anything.....no explanations; no accoutablity; no noticfications; no; not; nothing; notime; nowhere;; all speaking to exclusivity, and with ONE VOICE. Wow.
And they want the Council to listen to them about Russ's problem, and yet they fail to respond on here to a Q.C. Councilman? And Russ, you want them representing you? People who are quickly making enemies of your Decision Makers? I say QCV., ask them, this GSTAC Representative, at the next council meeting the question you asked them on here. In fact, have the entire council address that issue. See if they "owe" them an answer. Might as well get it out in the open and deal with it now. But Councilman Brown: They do not represent my interest. Keep that in mind when they ask for something with that "ONE VOICE" And understand also, that George Johnson and Bryan Thompsette are part of their Voice. That same Voice that called you asking your Town to remove the warnings on the Wash, even though ADEQ stipulated that they stay. They support one another....GSTAC and Johnson Utilities. Does that create Trust in the people's minds? In your mind?
My Opinion? They refuse to acknowledge you.....Don't acknowledge them at your council meetings. They are Pinal residents and don't even live within your impact area. Why give them 3 minutes of precious time that one of your residents could use? Does GSTAC have your welfare in mind when they claim representation of people's wants and needs? Let me place personal nouns into GSTAC representation and ask that question. Does George Johnson and Brian Thompsette have your Town's welfare in mind ? Give credance to your residents wishes, as the Law states. Let them put their "discoveries" into the hands of the residents in your town. They don't appear to abide by our Codes out here, yet they want recognition on changing your codes. Take a drive by their properties. See if they are complying to Codes. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. Selective reasoning; I will abide by what I choose to abide by; you will abide by what I choose you to abide by. No accountability from mainly two people who have nothing to do all day, or so it appears, but put their nose into everyone's business. I've heard people define that type of personality as a "Control Freak." You think?
No Accountability. They feel no need. They will give accountability only to those they deem worthy.
 Yes man.
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gk wrote: Recognition does not have to have a written documentation....you should know that.
gk - you may be right, maybe these are all VERBAL recognitions.
Anne, perhaps you could just post the names of the counties, cities, utilities and other organizations, that have VERBALLY recognized GSTAC to represent the interests of the large unannexed population.
i would also ask then for you to post the name of the specific person from each of those counties, cities, utilities and other organizations that has committed to said recognition of GSTAC to represent the interests of the large unannexed population.
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Recognition does not have to have a written documentation....you should know that.
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anne.reed wrote: Dear Starleen:
GSTAC is recognized by counties, cities, utilities and other organizations, to represent the interests of our large unannexed population.
Regards,
Anne
QCVillager wrote:
i don't recall seeing the proclamations/declarations. please include the declarations of the counties, cities, utilities and other organizations formally recognizing GSTAC on your website and/or provide links to same here.
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