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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 04:26 pm |
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Anne, are you avoiding my post ?
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anne.reed wrote: Dear Starleen:
GSTAC is recognized by counties, cities, utilities and other organizations, to represent the interests of our large unannexed population.
Regards,
Anne
it is ? i don't recall seeing the proclamations/declarations. please include the declarations of the counties, cities, utilities and other organizations formally recognizing GSTAC on your website and/or provide links to same here.
Anne Reed ? are you out there ? i would think your assertion above would be something you would be rejoicing and shouting from the roof tops, so why the delay in posting copies of the resolutions and proclamations of the "counties, cities, utilities and other organizations" who have recognized GSTAC to "represent the interests of" the large unannexed population.
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 04:21 pm |
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anne.reed wrote: This is not a personal attack and my disclaimers stated so in order to head off that argument. I outlined my belief that you were just leading the council member in your line of questioning and then you choose to tell us that you were "forced" to research on your own. In a matter of less than 2 hours as time stamped on you messages you went from uninformed to a strong opinion that he was wrong. How many sources outside of Anne and the BLC crowd did you consult?
By the way, waving traffic around an accident scene, as a volunteer, hardly qualifies you as a "traffic expert". It takes much more than that and I trust that the councilman did his homework by learning from true experts and not armchair ones like Anne and yourself.
Anne is being scrutinized because she is sticking her neck out there by claiming to represent us. A representative would keep the people fully informed and answer basic questions without delay or consultation with Gordon Brown. The simple questions still have not been answered and that means she is avoiding us. Until she acts in a responsible and honest manner she will continue to be scrutinized and when appropriate she will be criticized.
I will still waiting for your retraction of your original statement in the name of decency and common goodwill
I do not claim to represent you. I offer to represent you and other residents of District One, to apply my talents to advocate in their behalf, and to give my best effort to seeing that the concerns of District One residents are addressed to the benefit of the majority, as respresented to me.
I clearly stated in my posts regarding the raised medians in Queen Creek, that it doesn't take a traffic engineer to see that the safety is not enhanced when conflict points are used as a basis for adopting raised medians and the conflict points of the 300 (Russes daily traffic count) U-turns that will result from the raised medians are not taken into consideration. Not to mention the U Turns that will be necessary to access the other businesses, residences and churches that are not provided access to their parking areas and driveways.
It is also stated in City of Mesa Raised Median Study that in established areas, where planning was done prior to raised median proposal, commercial traffic will be driven through residential neighborhoods creating additional risk to children and property within their subdivision. Have you even looked at the plan or are you just fighting because it's your nature?
Neither Russ, nor the good founding citizens of Will Rogers Equestrian Center are benefitted by this proposal. It is in direct conflict with the award winning general plan that requires traffic calming at town center which the effected residents and businesses relied upon when purchasing and/or building their properties.
Regards,
Anne
I feel like I am sitting in class with Charlie Brown ... Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 04:14 pm |
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JJohnson wrote:
gk wrote: We should be able to disagree without throwing stones if we are being intellectually honest
a recent example
you must take us for big fools. You want us to believe that in less than 2 hours you went from completely uniformed to an expert in traffic safety soley because one councilman was leary of your intentions. Some may think that you are sincere but I find a very disingenous streak in your line of comments here yesterday afternoon.
this is not a personal attack so much as an observance of fact.
Not true and misleading
Since your first posts you have been beating up on Anne and still continue to do so
This is not a personal attack and my disclaimers stated so in order to head off that argument. I outlined my belief that you were just leading the council member in your line of questioning and then you choose to tell us that you were "forced" to research on your own. In a matter of less than 2 hours as time stamped on you messages you went from uninformed to a strong opinion that he was wrong. How many sources outside of Anne and the BLC crowd did you consult?
By the way, waving traffic around an accident scene, as a volunteer, hardly qualifies you as a "traffic expert". It takes much more than that and I trust that the councilman did his homework by learning from true experts and not armchair ones like Anne and yourself.
Anne is being scrutinized because she is sticking her neck out there by claiming to represent us. A representative would keep the people fully informed and answer basic questions without delay or consultation with Gordon Brown. The simple questions still have not been answered and that means she is avoiding us. Until she acts in a responsible and honest manner she will continue to be scrutinized and when appropriate she will be criticized.
I will still waiting for your retraction of your original statement in the name of decency and common goodwill
I do not claim to represent you. I offer to represent you and other residents of District One, to apply my talents to advocate in their behalf, and to give my best effort to seeing that the concerns of District One residents are addressed to the benefit of the majority, as respresented to me.
I clearly stated in my posts regarding the raised medians in Queen Creek, that it doesn't take a traffic engineer to see that the safety is not enhanced when conflict points are used as a basis for adopting raised medians and the conflict points of the 300 (Russes daily traffic count) U-turns that will result from the raised medians are not taken into consideration. Not to mention the U Turns that will be necessary to access the other businesses, residences and churches that are not provided access to their parking areas and driveways.
It is also stated in City of Mesa Raised Median Study that in established areas, where planning was done prior to raised median proposal, commercial traffic will be driven through residential neighborhoods creating additional risk to children and property within their subdivision. Have you even looked at the plan or are you just fighting because it's your nature?
Neither Russ, nor the good founding citizens of Will Rogers Equestrian Center are benefitted by this proposal. It is in direct conflict with the award winning general plan that requires traffic calming at town center which the effected residents and businesses relied upon when purchasing and/or building their properties.
Regards,
Anne
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 03:11 pm |
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2 cents wrote: "There is no coordination with your group." What group? We're just Pinal citizens living in a bedroom community now, answering to and asking of our County Supervisor, thru a process that is already in place and working thruout the United States of America. That's who we legally talk to and that's who we will continue to talk to until elections, as provided by OUR Constitution......not GSTAC's White Paper. We don't have to be a "group" per se.
I sense that there is and has been, something very subversive going on here in our area, by those who come in sheep's clothing.....but are not sheep. I now have the chance to dig up some bones, and dig up I will do.....legally. I have obtained attorneys to represent me in this mess, and will direct them to sources and papers of interest.
Funny. Someone also aided and abetted the County by assisting them in gathering evidence to turn me into the Real Estate Dept. almost 3 years ago...a case that is still going on. I asked the County to give me the name of that person who came in that weekend to help research me with a County employee, and they told me no. That I would have to have the R.E. Dept. ask for that. Now that bothers me. SO let me ask you Gordon Brown, relentless reader of this blog....Was that person you? Another good question for my attorneys.
Subversive indeed. I am going to get down to the bottom of this finally.
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 02:57 pm |
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gk wrote: We should be able to disagree without throwing stones if we are being intellectually honest
a recent example
you must take us for big fools. You want us to believe that in less than 2 hours you went from completely uniformed to an expert in traffic safety soley because one councilman was leary of your intentions. Some may think that you are sincere but I find a very disingenous streak in your line of comments here yesterday afternoon.
this is not a personal attack so much as an observance of fact.
Not true and misleading
Since your first posts you have been beating up on Anne and still continue to do so
This is not a personal attack and my disclaimers stated so in order to head off that argument. I outlined my belief that you were just leading the council member in your line of questioning and then you choose to tell us that you were "forced" to research on your own. In a matter of less than 2 hours as time stamped on you messages you went from uninformed to a strong opinion that he was wrong. How many sources outside of Anne and the BLC crowd did you consult?
By the way, waving traffic around an accident scene, as a volunteer, hardly qualifies you as a "traffic expert". It takes much more than that and I trust that the councilman did his homework by learning from true experts and not armchair ones like Anne and yourself.
Anne is being scrutinized because she is sticking her neck out there by claiming to represent us. A representative would keep the people fully informed and answer basic questions without delay or consultation with Gordon Brown. The simple questions still have not been answered and that means she is avoiding us. Until she acts in a responsible and honest manner she will continue to be scrutinized and when appropriate she will be criticized.
I will still waiting for your retraction of your original statement in the name of decency and common goodwill
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Starleen, then there is no voice on the inside (and there are no ears). Without that there is nothing but speculation. Let's face it, GSTAC and some of its members have the ear of some very influential people therefore they have influence. Whether they hold elections, and they will as soon as they figure out who to downplay the influence of the group while retaining their influence, makes no difference. They have influence. I don't see how elections will resolve your problems. There is no coordination among your group. If some of you get elected to GSTAC you will be charged with representing the whole area, not just you narrow opinions. Today you act like pellets from a shotgun, going everywhere. You need to either organize as your own group and then try and gain respect and influence or join GSTAC where the influence now exists.
gotta go, 2
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 06:28 am |
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Gordon Brown: Since you obviously read these blogs, I would like you to please take note. You have a nasty habit of forwarding emails and blogs to people and they to you. Do not forward "my posts" from here to my daughter Char anymore, or other third parties, without explanation or comments to them and my permission.  That just stirs the s... and you do it quite frequently. To me that's subversive and uncalled for. Besides, her love is way too great for me, to be swayed by someone of your character. Cease and desist please, as you are meddling with family now. You have lost any chance of keeping her on GSTAC now, in my opinion. Once again, poor judgment on your part.
Now with all this forwarding of emails and blogs of mine that seem to be going on in the background, without my permission or knowledge, I need to ask you. Did you forward mine and Kristi's blog on here about J.U. and the discussions to protest, to Brian Thompsette, George Johnson's right hand man? Perhaps I should have you subpoenaed and you can sign a sworn statement to that effect?
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 05:22 am |
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2 cents wrote: Bambi, I'm not sure why you would advise Char to not attend the GSTAC meeting. Even though she may have a minority voice at the moment she would at least be there to report exactly what was said. She would be able to express her opinion and then report the comments from the others, report without bias. By not being ther she has no voice. By not being there she does not hear what the others have to say. I think that next time, you may wish to reconsider your advise.
just my 2 cents
In my opinion, GSTAC is not real. It is a front. They haven't had elections like they said and they haven't updated their website to announce meetings. The website could be a very useful tool to gain membership but that is not really what they want. They, being the CORE members, want to be recognized by state and local entities as the voice of the area so they can influence decisions in their favor. Having a website announcing grand plans reinforces this illusion. This group "came out" 4 months ago posing as the voice of the San Tans, yet when they hold a "district one" meeting only three show up? (And I bet all they talked about was Russ' Hardware saga.) None of the other districts have anything posted on the website - the links all go back to a District One meeting notice proclaiming that regular public meetings will be held, complete with top notch speakers and perhaps a forum for residents to voice their concerns. Phooey. A waste of bandwidth. I think Char is right not to waste time going to meetings and Bambi's advice is solid gold.
http://www.ourgstac.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=57&Itemid=69
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Bambi, I'm not sure why you would advise Char to not attend the GSTAC meeting. Even though she may have a minority voice at the moment she would at least be there to report exactly what was said. She would be able to express her opinion and then report the comments from the others, report without bias. By not being ther she has no voice. By not being there she does not hear what the others have to say. I think that next time, you may wish to reconsider your advise.
just my 2 cents
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Bambi, Sometimes I get called out for different functions in support of the PCSO, By the time I came home from being called out very early I simply was unable to shower shave and make it to Phoenix in time.
Due to this I simply do not have the time anymore to attend different meetings and functions as I used to. I have committed to this and is currently my priority.
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 01:43 am |
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azsunshine wrote: Bambi-
I am confused if you can (don't say anything that might have someone sue you LOL) please clarify--as far as GB-you invited him but then didn't want him there? Is that what you are saying?
Anne & Ed-
Heres a pretty simple letter that only takes one second but would be great if the whole community would endorse it and since you say the GSTAC has been recongnized by major cities and of course utilites it would be great if the GSTAC would sign it:
Dear JU,
Please clean up the sewer spillage NOW. Make the creek safe.
Sincerely,
Everyone in the whole damn community
Az. This is the verbage I posted on here, talking to Gene and to other likeminded people on here.
Begin Post: "Well Amen their Brother Gene. So....let's do something."
I have scheduled an appointment with Bill Mundell, on Wednesday, 2 pm. He's the Arizona State Corporation Commissioner. Join Me. Do Something for Your Community
End of sentence. Gene then replied he would be there. He was not there. I also stated others who were likeminded could attend. Gordon is not likeminded.
But.....Gordon walks in, papers in hand. I ask him what he's doing here. He said he read my blog and that I invited him. I told him you don't read blogs. He said it was forwarded to him. I turned to Mundell, and stated he is in an adverserial position and I don't want him here. Anything I say will be held against me or he will email his followers, and change the wording/intent around as he has done before and that I have evidence of, to made me appear as the agressor. Mundell agreed. It's up to the citizen who requests the private meeting with him, as to who stays and who goes. Each citizen has a right to confidence.
Did you forward that blog to Gordon, Gene?
Now Gordon has never answered or addressed me on here. He fails to answer my calls for communication or to respond to the post questions and comments we direct to him from here........yet he shows up at a meeting where we will be discussing J.U.?, of which two CORE members who filed the suit against me, are participating in GSTAC, who is supposed to be the people's voice? Mundell agreed, asking him to leave.
An ongoing pain that I just can't seem to get rid of. I am recruiting young people to help with this struggle. That is not meant to discourage the older ones, but the young ones are full of vim and vigor, have kids in school, and desire more commercial and retail and things to do around here. And, let's not forget about energy. Mine is fading
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 12:24 am |
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Dear JU,
Please clean up the sewer spillage NOW. Make the creek safe.
Sincerely,
Everyone in the whole damn community
I'll sign it!
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Bambi-
I am confused if you can (don't say anything that might have someone sue you LOL) please clarify--as far as GB-you invited him but then didn't want him there? Is that what you are saying?
Anne & Ed-
Heres a pretty simple letter that only takes one second but would be great if the whole community would endorse it and since you say the GSTAC has been recongnized by major cities and of course utilites it would be great if the GSTAC would sign it:
Dear JU,
Please clean up the sewer spillage NOW. Make the creek safe.
Sincerely,
Everyone in the whole damn community
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 11:40 pm |
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We should be able to disagree without throwing stones if we are being intellectually honest
a recent example
you must take us for big fools. You want us to believe that in less than 2 hours you went from completely uniformed to an expert in traffic safety soley because one councilman was leary of your intentions. Some may think that you are sincere but I find a very disingenous streak in your line of comments here yesterday afternoon.
this is not a personal attack so much as an observance of fact.
Not true and misleading
Since your first posts you have been beating up on Anne and still continue to do so
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gk wrote: But lying, decieving and being a hypocrit makes them undeserving of respect. I really can't point to any single thing jjohnson has done that has benefited the community as a whole. If there is something let me know. It certainly is not his communication skills as his persistent spin and avoidance is legendary
magic mirror......magic mirror.........
GK GK GK ...... I do not put myself out there as someone who is volunteering or directly making a difference in the community. But that does not mean I can't have an opinion and express it. If I was professing to be a community leader and saying I was making a difference but my actions showed otherwise then I could be called a hypocrit. You can probably lump me in with 99.9% of the residents out here by calling my a non-participating member of the community. That would be pretty accurate in my opinion. For a variety of reasons I am not able to attend meetings, pick up trash or lead a community effort. I am not asking for any sympathy or special status but facts are facts and I have to do what I can. Can you please point to one case in which I was a hypocrit, engaged in avoidance or spin? Also please point to any lie or deception that I have committed.
After you research this would you please retract your above statement in the name of decency and common goodwill.
We should be able to disagree without throwing stones if we are being intellectually honest. My issue with Anne is that she is not being truthful with the peoplle and is in fact acting in a hypocritical manner. For that she does not deserve respect.
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But lying, decieving and being a hypocrit makes them undeserving of respect. I really can't point to any single thing jjohnson has done that has benefited the community as a whole. If there is something let me know. It certainly is not his communication skills as his persistent spin and avoidance is legendary
magic mirror......magic mirror.........
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 09:53 pm |
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Hello Bambi,
I've just sent you a pm.
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CSI_QueenCreek wrote: Go away for a few days and nothing changes. Same old, same old tired claims from AnneReed. She can't back them up and the Silence is DEAFENING.
I don't beleive a word that woman writes. Can't trust a single word she says or writes.
Her calming writing style almost makes me nausious. She has no credibility due to her hypocracy. I can debate and work with people that I disagree with. But lying, decieving and being a hypocrit makes them undeserving of respect. I really can't point to any single thing she has done that has benefited the community as a whole. If there is something let me know. It certainly is not her communication skills as her persistent spin and avoidance is legendary
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GG. Are you still "out there?" If you have returned home, I would like to meet with you asap. I have a "plan."
I also understand that GSTAC District One had a meeting last nite. Those in attendance were Anne R., Ed. Guerra and Bob Dotson, from what I understand. Maybe Gordon, their leader, was there?
Char, who is also an appointed rep from district one, called me, asking for my advice as to whether she should attend it or not. I said...."those names you mentioned are all BLC members and/or former members. You're input will be minimal and most likely a 3 to 1 situation. You're my daughter/partner too Char. They have refused to recognize me and have refused to work with me at ADEQ to evaluate and try to solve the JU problem. Do you really think you will be recognized by "biased, self appointed reps., that have been adverse to development out here, and have had a contentious relationship with me, backed up by false emails with untruths? Do you really think that Ed. G., will ever vote for a commercial development on Hunt, in his district 1, when he called me and the other commercial land owners along Hunt, out in the QC Chambers, pointing fingers and hollering at us as being investors without a voice, and that I was their accomplice? All the while Gordon Brown was sitting behind him, laughing, as they had planned it ahead of time to embarass me, and consequently, those taxpayers? Those investors/revenue sources,wanted to deck them. And these guys should represent us?
And that it was Gordon Brown who broke into the meeting at the Az. Corporation Commission I attended, unannounced, demanding equal time? Equal time for what? To defend Johnson Utilities? Based on my dissent of him being there, and telling Mr. Mundell that Johnson Utilities was a part of their CORE group of leaders,, and that I do not trust a rep. of George Johnson to be in attendance at this meeting. Here's a guy that refuses to communicate with me, both on here and via emails, yet decided, based on reading a post of mine (this is what he told Mundell) on this site, decided to tell Mundell that's why he came there...I invited him via the newszap post. Mundell agreed with me, and the ACC asked him to leave. He did return later.
I recommend Char not attend GSTAC meetings until officers for that district can be elected, based on calling a meeting of all residents, not just 4, to vote them in. No invitation has been extended to the community. Only the appointed reps deciding when and what happens. Undemocratic. Yet, a very simple and fair request..elect officers to conduct the business at hand.....why is it being contested then? It's only constitutional.
And if GSTAC wants to continue blaming me for the flooding of Bonanza Ranch, then they need to point the finger also at one of their CORE members, Harold Christ. He was my partner in that development.
I'm on my way home. Lot's to catch up on.
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Go away for a few days and nothing changes. Same old, same old tired claims from AnneReed. She can't back them up and the Silence is DEAFENING.
I don't beleive a word that woman writes. Can't trust a single word she says or writes.
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 01:14 am |
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QCVillager wrote: anne.reed wrote: Dear Starleen:
GSTAC is recognized by counties, cities, utilities and other organizations, to represent the interests of our large unannexed population.
Regards,
Anne
it is ? i don't recall seeing the proclamations/declarations. please include the declarations of the counties, cities, utilities and other organizations formally recognizing GSTAC on your website and/or provide links to same here.
Anne Reed ? are you out there ? i would think your assertion above would be something you would be rejoicing and shouting from the roof tops, so why the delay in posting copies of the resolutions and proclamations of the "counties, cities, utilities and other organizations" who have recognized GSTAC to "represent the interests of" the large unannexed population.
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 11:25 pm |
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Yes, GSTAC was approached by SRP.
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Anne
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 11:24 pm |
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All the early speakers showed. One speaker who was not scheduled to speak until later on in the evening, Molly Jacobs, could not break away from QCPAC but we were already behind schedule. Sorry Todd! There was not adequate time to insert an unscheduled speaker.
The delay occurred because the Power distribution box was omitted from the rental pickup and an extra trip to Mesa was required to provide all electrical connections necessary for the band, the sheriffs office, the DA's office and the 501 c3's.
I understand that all the candidates will be showcased at the YMCA in the near future (Wednesday August 6th) and I'm looking forward to hearing all of their platforms. Hope to see you there.
Regards,
Anne
PS This event had nothing to do with GSTAC, why on this thread??
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 11:07 pm |
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QCVillager wrote:
QCVillager wrote: anne.reed wrote: Dear Starleen:
GSTAC is recognized by counties, cities, utilities and other organizations, to represent the interests of our large unannexed population.
Regards,
Anne
it is ? i don't recall seeing the proclamations/declarations. please include the declarations of the counties, cities, utilities and other organizations formally recognizing GSTAC on your website and/or provide links to same here.
Anne Reed ? are you out there ? i would think your assertion above would be something you would be rejoicing and shouting from the roof tops, so why the delay in posting copies of the resolutions and proclamations of the "counties, cities, utilities and other organizations" who have recognized GSTAC to "represent the interests of" the large unannexed population.
Just for the history, Anne's statement above was in response to my query about a statement in her very first post kicking off this thread, clear back on June 5th:
anne.reed wrote: One of the first issues we will need to address is the placement of several back up power plants slated for development in Pinal County. One of these plants is to be located in our area near Magma Dam. GSTAC was approached by SRP and in the near future, a presentation will be made to concerned citizens for comment and questions.
I asked: GSTAC was approached by SRP? Clarification of this would be interesting.
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QCVillager wrote: anne.reed wrote: Dear Starleen:
GSTAC is recognized by counties, cities, utilities and other organizations, to represent the interests of our large unannexed population.
Regards,
Anne
it is ? i don't recall seeing the proclamations/declarations. please include the declarations of the counties, cities, utilities and other organizations formally recognizing GSTAC on your website and/or provide links to same here.
Anne Reed ? are you out there ? i would think your assertion above would be something you would be rejoicing and shouting from the roof tops, so why the delay in posting copies of the resolutions and proclamations of the "counties, cities, utilities and other organizations" who have recognized GSTAC to "represent the interests of" the large unannexed population.
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azsunshine wrote: JJ
Just a tad bit overboard ... I don't think anyone has plastic GB figures on their dashes....LOL
Maybe you are right and I get angry when I see what one person can do when they hold so much power and influence. I have also said in the past that Gordon is not inherently evil. In fact I think that he believes he is doing the right thing. In his mind he thinks that his policies and decisions are what everybody needs. this just get reinforced when you get surrounded by a bunch of "YES PEOPLE". Naturally he begins to think that he is the mesiah and choosen one
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GG wrote: GSTAC is all volunteer. There are no elected positions. Hopefully this area will at some point have local electred represenatives, but that won't be happening in the near future.
I'm sorry, but I've done my best to explain my position and I'm going nowhere. I think it best that I no longer comment about GSTAC here. I think the best course of action is to volunteer my time as much as I can in order to bring order to my immediate area.
I'm confused, because that goes in direct contrast to what Bob Dotson had written me via e-mail. Anne has also stated that the main reps right now are temporary. So I don't understand why they don't move the elections along if that's the case (which obviously it's not, since GG is a member and is stating that it's 100% volunteer).
Also, I don't think anyone is wanting the entire org to be elected--it would still be primarily volunteer, with the exception of those who "head up" each area.
Good luck, GG. I agree with Pipeman that if GSTAC would have elections for those who are running the show you would see a lot more people willing to put forth their time . . . me being one of them.
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JJ
Just a tad bit overboard ... I don't think anyone has plastic GB figures on their dashes....LOL
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QCVillager wrote: anne.reed wrote: Dear Starleen:
GSTAC is recognized by counties, cities, utilities and other organizations, to represent the interests of our large unannexed population.
Regards,
Anne
it is ? i don't recall seeing the proclamations/declarations. please include the declarations of the counties, cities, utilities and other organizations formally recognizing GSTAC on your website and/or provide links to same here.
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it is ? i don't recall seeing the proclamations/declarations. please include the declarations of the counties, cities, utilities and other organizations formally recognizing GSTAC on your website and/or provide links to same here.
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Maybe I can put it a different way. We think the idea behind GSTAC is a good intermediate step toward a final solution to local representation. The problem is that the founders and most of the reps are the same folks that ran the BLC. Essentially there is no difference except now developers are openly involved as is George Johnson. Furthermore we have been told that there would be an election to replace these founding members. None of us believe this will ever happen for many reasons, the least of which is that Gordon Brown is a power hungry person that will fight for his personal pride to the expense of everyone else. If an election were to happen I know that he will have his contigent of faithful followers (and that is exactly what they are since they repetedly worship at his alter) ensure that the election is unfair and fixed from the outset. It is for this reason that many will not even try to participate. gordon does not care what you or I think (or want). He just wants to be at the center of attention and influence. He will lie, cheat or steal to keep what he feels he is entitled to.
My caution to you is to keep your eyes open and be mindful of this situation. Don't get used by Gordon. And don't let our neighbors get used by him either.
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GSTAC is all volunteer. There are no elected positions. Hopefully this area will at some point have local electred represenatives, but that won't be happening in the near future.
I'm sorry, but I've done my best to explain my position and I'm going nowhere. I think it best that I no longer comment about GSTAC here. I think the best course of action is to volunteer my time as much as I can in order to bring order to my immediate area.
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| GG, are you understanding what Pipeman is trying to say, regarding GSTAC and Elections? It's not that we're against the idea of GSTAC, it's that we are not happy about the fact that the people running it are "self-appointed". I read through this thread once, and in case I missed it, you never gave a reason as to why the people who head up GSTAC should NOT be elected. Am I missing something?
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When you all find a more viable option to obtain local representation, please let me know.
Until then, all I see is yet another failed effort. Too many folks off running doing one thing or another, no cohesion, no common purpose.
I'm tired of being easy pickings while waiting for something that most likely is never going to happen.
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GG wrote: I know who the core members are. I knoow you know them by face and name. But do you "know" them. What they have done to hurt this community?
I also know that even after the elections we will still have no form of local respresentation. Correct again. The only way is to incorporate.We need to have represenatives who live here, not in Gold Canyon or somewhere else. I agree again GG. They do not know or understand what we go throug on a daily basis out here. There is one women running from our area, maybe we should help her out?
Every single time, it's always the same. Any attempts at local representation are ruined. Yep, thank the BLC and members of your core team as well as many from the extended team. Are you seeing yet why we want them out? There are enough negative voices out here to ensure that. You are looking at it all wrong. It is not negative voices, it is people who try to speak for us and put their noses into where they don't belong. Now they have positioned themselves into GSTAC to continue to try and keep us down.After four years, I am now finally able to recongize the pattern. The only thing I've been hoodwinked into is thinking that this area could rise above and become a community of excellence. It will never happen as long as certain people continue to be allowed to try and speak for us. GSTAC is not what they protray to the public to be plain and simple.
We will end up being randomly annexed This only happens because we fall under the county and as you say, they don't give a hoot about us as long as they keep generating the large amount of revenue off of us that they do. Another reason to become a city.by local cities for business revenue and the rest of the area will be sloppy county islands. And most of this area will end up being a low rent/low housing price market. We will continue to be taxed without being represented and our tax dollars will not be kept primarily here, where they belong.
I'm usually very positive, but I am finding it difficult, if not impossible, to find anything positive here. Keep your head up GG, you are trying to do a good thing for the community and it is appreciated, although you are being lied to by that group. You KNOW what we need to do, so let's make it happen.
GSTAC is all volunteer. it is not elected. That is the thing GG, we do not want those in charge to hear what we have to say. So as long as they are in place, it won't happen. It was not set to be volunteer per Anne. She stated on here that core members want to step down. So tell Jack to get the elections going so they ALL can step down. We have no voice here, no way to organize and come together. Pinal doesn't give two hoots about this area, save for any tax revenue they can grub. Correct and I agree again. It will get no better with the front runner for Supervisor either. Will be the same o same o. Due to the company he keeps.
GSTAC is very primitive right now. The goal was to see it lay the gridwork for future elected represenatives. They have been working on this for a long time. No reason the ground work should not be laid. They want to remain stagnant to keep our area stagnant. GG, don't get me wrong; the concept is great but the leaders are not.
It's becoming obvious that this won't happen. I can understand critical discussion, but all I am seeing is continuing hostility towards GSTAC and no alternative suggestions for anything viable. GG, I told you time and time again what the solution is. ELECTIONS.
As I said, I've been watching our area continue to miss one opportunity after another to achieve local elected representation. And the longer this continues, the less hope there is with regard to this area becoming a healthy community. I totally agree with you GG. The longer it goes the worse it will get, as it has been happeningfor years. So what is the solution? INCORPORATION. The only way we will have true unfettered representation, the only way we will have a voice when it comes to us as a community.
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Okay, no one wants to reinvent the wheel, just vote in replacements for the GSTAC folks...
So who will be replacing those already in the GSTAC? And what will they do that's going to fix everything? Are there enough qualified people that care to get involved?
Who in our communities even know about the GSTAC except for a very few... and what will be done to get the word out? Has there ever been a successful gathering of neighbors in numbers that would impress?
It might be time for people to put their money where their mouths are at!
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GSTAC is all volunteer. it is not elected. We have no voice here, no way to organize and come together. Pinal doesn't give two hoots about this area, save for any tax revenue they can grub.
GSTAC is very primitive right now. The goal was to see it lay the gridwork for future elected represenatives.
It's becoming obvious that this won't happen. I can understand critical discussion, but all I am seeing is continuing hostility towards GSTAC and no alternative suggestions for anything viable.
As I said, I've been watching our area continue to miss one opportunity after another to achieve local elected representation. And the longer this continues, the less hope there is with regard to this area becoming a healthy community.
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GG wrote: I know who the core members are.
I also know that even after the elections we will still have no form of local respresentation. We need to have represenatives who live here, not in Gold Canyon or somewhere else.
Every single time, it's always the same. Any attempts at local representation are ruined. There are enough negative voices out here to ensure that. After four years, I am now finally able to recongize the pattern. The only thing I've been hoodwinked into is thinking that this area could rise above and become a community of excellence.
We will end up being randomly annexed by local cities for business revenue and the rest of the area will be sloppy county islands. And most of this area will end up being a low rent/low housing price market. We will continue to be taxed without being represented and our tax dollars will not be kept primarily here, where they belong.
I'm usually very positive, but I am finding it difficult, if not impossible, to find anything positive here.
Right on...but we need local representation that is elected not self appointed. How is it negative to want elections for a group that wants to represent our area? Am I missing your view?
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I know who the core members are.
I also know that even after the elections we will still have no form of local respresentation. We need to have represenatives who live here, not in Gold Canyon or somewhere else.
Every single time, it's always the same. Any attempts at local representation are ruined. There are enough negative voices out here to ensure that. After four years, I am now finally able to recongize the pattern. The only thing I've been hoodwinked into is thinking that this area could rise above and become a community of excellence.
We will end up being randomly annexed by local cities for business revenue and the rest of the area will be sloppy county islands. And most of this area will end up being a low rent/low housing price market. We will continue to be taxed without being represented and our tax dollars will not be kept primarily here, where they belong.
I'm usually very positive, but I am finding it difficult, if not impossible, to find anything positive here.
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GG wrote: GSTAC is for anybody who wants to sign up in their district.
I've been out here for almost four and a half years, and I've watched things go nowhere. And so long as we have no united front locally, we'll continue to go nowhere.
Assuming that your candidate of choice does win in November's election, you are still without local representation. GSTAC is not the big boogeyman who is all powerful. GSTAC will only work with those in the community participating.
If you can offer a better alternative to GSTAC for the interim until we achieve our own local respresentation, I would be very interested to hear about it.
the alternative for the interim until we become a city, is to let the community have their say and there is "ONLY" one way to achieve this. GSTAC claims that the community now has a voice, well I say "bull" The core eliminated that from the get-go when they decided to place those they wanted into positions, without letting the community use their voice. I have watched things go from bad to worse and it will continue to do so unless the community gets what they want............an election. There just is no easier way to say it. To much conflicting interests with current core members and what GSTAC is supposed to do. Again, no easier way to put it. As I have said, I know your heart is in the right place and I certainly am not trying to disuade you from continuing on your path, which I commend you for, but you are being hoodwinked GG. Plain and simple. If you have not done so already, I would suggest that you research all the core members as well as the extended team and their doings within the community. You may be suprised what you uncover.
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GSTAC is for anybody who wants to sign up in their district.
I've been out here for almost four and a half years, and I've watched things go nowhere. And so long as we have no united front locally, we'll continue to go nowhere.
Assuming that your candidate of choice does win in November's election, you are still without local representation. GSTAC is not the big boogeyman who is all powerful. GSTAC will only work with those in the community participating.
If you can offer a better alternative to GSTAC for the interim until we achieve our own local respresentation, I would be very interested to hear about it.
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GG wrote: A district supervisor does not meet the need for local elected officials in order for us to be properly represented.
GG, I beg to differ. The extended team members were put in place by the core team, most of them are from the same group (you know what I mean). The community members of each district was not allowed the opportunity to elect those they wanted into that position, therefore as I said, have the elections, let the community elect those they want to represent them from their districts as well as the core team. Doing this, you will have the participation you so desire, until then, it won't happen.
You and your hubby are district reps, tell the core that we want an election immediately for ALL seats on the core and extended teams, this should also include those that will be underthe district reps, including sub committees. Noone should just be put into any position.
This is supposed to be for the people correct? Then let it be by the people, for the people. As it sits now, it is not that way. Anything less will be a waste of time.
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| A district supervisor does not meet the need for local elected officials in order for us to be properly represented.
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pipeman wrote: GG wrote: With only 30 people out of 40k in this area and two districts still without a rep, it would seem that there is no voice to be heard. GSTAC is only going to be as good as the people who participate in it.
That sends a message loud and clear that there is no organization, we have no representation, and that we will continue to be prey to the unscrupulous here. That's not a very pleasant scenario to my mind.
gg, you hit the nail on the head. As stated to you before......there will be no participation until elections are held. We did not have a say in who sits in those seats, the legends in their own minds decided that. Please, go back and tell Jack (by the way, I think he is a good man) that we want elections held for ALL the core seats as welll as the etxnded committee. Until that happens we will not have a voice, at least not through GSTAC.
GG,
An alternative is as pipeman already stated. Start with elections to the seats.
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