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I thought I'd bring this comment up, I made from that article you published Bob. I still feel the same way about this organization. And, in three months time, don't you think at least something informative could have been placed on their website to stimulate the people's interest? The lag and lack of info. is their undoing...not the people on here or anywhere else, including the members who have been wondering what is going on? And while this "wondering" is going on, we read where Gordon is involved out there with different neighborhoods, making decisions, as was shown on here by a poster that copied the P and Z decision, made by the one person who does not live in the neighborhood or area in which it occurred..Gordon Brown. Who was he speaking for? The following is a " quote from Bob's previous post......"CORE members - at every meeting I've attended, have always made it extremely clear that they currently have no authority to speak for Greater San Tan Area residents, and have made it clear that they have not made any representations for Greater San Tan Area residents." Why wasn't the district leader in that meeting or meeting with the neighbors? Effective and prompt communication is lacking, along with his need for singularity of representation (himself), and has been one of Gordon's biggest faults, which appears to have transfered now to another organization he is spearheading. "Brown's One Man Band." Just why is that Bob? B.
- Apr-11 @ 9:43 PM
- E.V. Tribune comment by Bambi
Well, I'm having trouble with this. I am bothered by who the Core members are and who/what they represent. I would need to know this before I agree to their offer to develop a vision for the area for me. They can develop a vision, but unless they are elected officials, they don't represent me or my vision. None of the Developers live in the San Tan Area to my knowledge. Which members of the Chamber are residents of this area? I belong to several chambers, as residency is not a requirment. And Gordon Brown. Former Leader of the Better Living Coaltion, who fought strongly against the other incorporation attempt we had and now is a strong proponant behind the County's push to shut down San Tan Flats or comply with the antiquated No Dancing Law. He's a coleader? How can you avoid a biased position from him, based on his vocal positions in the past. against incorporation and the acceptance of the enforcement of that old dancing ban? They say it's not an incorporation movement nor is it a governing body. So, who will empower them to make decisions for us, and what are the legal ramifications of the County acting upon those decisions?
I don't think Coalitions are bound to State Statutes or Codes of Ethics, like elected officials and employed Department Heads are. It's still too foreign for me to embrace. Let's form a City instead. where we have elections, as our Constitution suggests and provides for representation of our needs and positions, and where those local representatives are bound by Statute and codes of conduct. Start with elections.
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bobdotson wrote: Here is a link to press article where Greater San Tan Area Coalition core members are declared.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/pinal/articles/2008/04/10/20080410gr-santancoalition0410-ON.html
Please note that this press article was published 4/10/08. No secrets, No conspiracies, No hidden agendas, No mis-representations. The GSTAC CORE members - at every meeting I've attended, have always made it extremely clear that they currently have no authority to speak for Greater San Tan Area residents, and have made it clear that they have not made any representations for Greater San Tan Area residents. Their efforts to date have been focused on getting the organization started and recognized. The meeting I attended last Saturday, I got invited (along with many others) because I have registered with OurGSTAC.Com. That's all it takes to get plugged into GSTAC. The venue for that meeting was the Walker Butte Elementary School, with the large OurGSTAC banner on the door facing the street bolding announcing the meeting. The doors were never locked, and no one was turned away or discouraged from attending or participating. From what I know, the GSTAC organization is in it's infancy, and it's only resource is volunteers. Like Anne points out, there is lots of opportunity for work, with few to do the work. All I can say to concerned Greater San Tan Area residents, is get registered with OurGSTAC.Com, connect with your volunteer GSTAC District leaders, attend the meetings when you can, or connect directly with those that do. GSTAC is about coming together as a community, creating opportunities for issues that are important to Greater San Tan Area residents to get the dialog and voice they deserve, and to make sure each and every Greater San Tan Area resident has a voice in the future of the Greater San Tan Area. If only a fraction of the energy spent on these blogs being critical and discouraging volunteers and residents that might want a different future than more status-quo, if that time and energy was spent in constructive dialog seeking common ground within each GSTAC district, and across the Greater San Tan Area, imagine what we could accomplish. I continue to support GSTAC, and invite all Greater San Tan Area residents to get plugged in by registering with OurGSTAC.Com.
Respectfully,
Bob Dotson
For safe keeping, thanks Bob.
Well thoughout post BUT..... a day late and a dollar short. What do you mean they said they have no authority to speak for the residents? Bob were you elected into the extended committee? No, so they have spoken for the people then by placing you, the rest of the extended team as well as themselves into those positions. So I repeat they have spoken for us. That is the reason most of the community is not behind it. I say to you like I said to Anne. Call a community meeting to be able to vote in the people we want in those positions. If it is truley for the community then give it to the community.
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Here is a link to press article where Greater San Tan Area Coalition core members are declared.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/pinal/articles/2008/04/10/20080410gr-santancoalition0410-ON.html
Please note that this press article was published 4/10/08. No secrets, No conspiracies, No hidden agendas, No mis-representations. The GSTAC CORE members - at every meeting I've attended, have always made it extremely clear that they currently have no authority to speak for Greater San Tan Area residents, and have made it clear that they have not made any representations for Greater San Tan Area residents. Their efforts to date have been focused on getting the organization started and recognized. The meeting I attended last Saturday, I got invited (along with many others) because I have registered with OurGSTAC.Com. That's all it takes to get plugged into GSTAC. The venue for that meeting was the Walker Butte Elementary School, with the large OurGSTAC banner on the door facing the street bolding announcing the meeting. The doors were never locked, and no one was turned away or discouraged from attending or participating. From what I know, the GSTAC organization is in it's infancy, and it's only resource is volunteers. Like Anne points out, there is lots of opportunity for work, with few to do the work. All I can say to concerned Greater San Tan Area residents, is get registered with OurGSTAC.Com, connect with your volunteer GSTAC District leaders, attend the meetings when you can, or connect directly with those that do. GSTAC is about coming together as a community, creating opportunities for issues that are important to Greater San Tan Area residents to get the dialog and voice they deserve, and to make sure each and every Greater San Tan Area resident has a voice in the future of the Greater San Tan Area. If only a fraction of the energy spent on these blogs being critical and discouraging volunteers and residents that might want a different future than more status-quo, if that time and energy was spent in constructive dialog seeking common ground within each GSTAC district, and across the Greater San Tan Area, imagine what we could accomplish. I continue to support GSTAC, and invite all Greater San Tan Area residents to get plugged in by registering with OurGSTAC.Com.
Respectfully,
Bob Dotson
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I just want to interject, that when I worked with Harold, it was in 2001 I believe, and he was a fine person to work with. I never had problems with his intergrity.
Most of those names you see are Pension Plans. That's who's paying for the developments. And yes, they did develop Pecan Creek.....and had to work with Johnson on all these developments, as all other developers do...no options.
Now have they become cozy since I last worked with them? Don't know. But we need to be careful on our research and who did what. We don't need another law suit for libel. These guys are all connected in one development or another.
Why don't we focus on George and then we can hit up GSTAC? I don't think GSTAC is doing any more than it was doing several weeks ago....zilch. And the members, not the core, are good people with good intentions. It's the CORE that will be a target for removal....unless we just ignore them and go for incorporation with the same districts and committe members.....Mandi being one.
OK> back to bed... 
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starleen wrote: This is all very interesting. Harold Christ is also a partner in an investment group called Pentad Investments.
"Stakeholder" seems to be an understatement.
http://www.pentadinvestments.com/projectMap.shtml
Oh he is? Well isn't that funny now, Pentad had their hands in Pecan Creek. He is on the core team, Geroge is on the core team and then if I remember correctly did not the V.P. of JU claim that the developer of PC did not do what they were supposed to so they would not have the wash to begin with (or something to that effect). Then if you look at the Pentad web site, the Rose Law Group is a part of Pentad, I believe one of them is a part of GSTAC as well. Something amiss here?
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This is all very interesting. Harold Christ is also a partner in an investment group called Pentad Investments.
"Stakeholder" seems to be an understatement.
http://www.pentadinvestments.com/projectMap.shtml
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azsunshine wrote: Mandimae wrote: azsunshine wrote: Mandimae wrote: azsunshine wrote: Can you scan the notes and post them here?
Also, would you mind to post future meeting dates? Shcedule for July is blank but today is highlighted light blue--I don't know if that is because its today or if there is a meeting today...
I don't know either (about the date). If I get anymore invitations, which is iffy at this point, I will post the dates. Once the hubby gets home and helps me figure out what I did to my poor scanner/faxer/printer/pain in the butt, I will post them! I believe most of it is directly from the website.
Someone asked that if you have a sign-in name, are you given more info...ummm, no.
Why wouldn't you get more invites? Do you feel like you might not get invites because you posted info? Hopefully you don't feel like that and hopefully they are not giving you that kind of impression.
Well, apparently, this info is not meant for everyone!
Everyone as in the Community. That sucks. Did you get reprimanded by someone?
No and I don't imagine that I will other than by being cut off. 
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starleen wrote: http://www.newhomebuildersnewsblog.com/2006/08/copper_basin_se.html
From March 2006:
Phoenix,AZ. -"Angry Santan area residents living in the Village of Copper Basin have begun filing official grievances with the community's developer, claiming it has not held up its end of the bargain. Tired of strolling through parks that lack promised amenities and along sidewalks that don't meet their expectations, about 200 residents have filed official requests for arbitration with Pyramid Community Developers...Orr, along with several other homeowners in the neighborhood, has been asking Pyramid to finish amenities since last summer. Residents are unhappy with landscaping, sidewalks, parks and finishing touches that they were sold on when they purchased their homes in the unincorporated area of Pinal County just south of Queen Creek. After sending a copy to Pyramid partners Mark Stapp and Harold Christ, Orr posted his official request for arbitration on a local message board."...
Mar. 16, 2006 12:00 AM
To complete this story, Harold Christ (honored core member of the GSTAC) continuously blew off meetings with the residents. The one time he did meet with them, he told them that rather than complain to him about unfulfilled promises, they should just move. This was actually the standard line that the Copper Basin HOA would give to people who complained. This was a major slap in the face to the people who at that time were realizing (in early 2006, remember, the housing bubble burst in unincorated Pinal County before the rest of the state) just how difficult moving out of there actually was.
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Mandimae wrote: azsunshine wrote: Mandimae wrote: azsunshine wrote: Can you scan the notes and post them here?
Also, would you mind to post future meeting dates? Shcedule for July is blank but today is highlighted light blue--I don't know if that is because its today or if there is a meeting today...
I don't know either (about the date). If I get anymore invitations, which is iffy at this point, I will post the dates. Once the hubby gets home and helps me figure out what I did to my poor scanner/faxer/printer/pain in the butt, I will post them! I believe most of it is directly from the website.
Someone asked that if you have a sign-in name, are you given more info...ummm, no.
Why wouldn't you get more invites? Do you feel like you might not get invites because you posted info? Hopefully you don't feel like that and hopefully they are not giving you that kind of impression.
Well, apparently, this info is not meant for everyone!
Everyone as in the Community. That sucks. Did you get reprimanded by someone?
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http://www.newhomebuildersnewsblog.com/2006/08/copper_basin_se.html
From March 2006:
Phoenix,AZ. -"Angry Santan area residents living in the Village of Copper Basin have begun filing official grievances with the community's developer, claiming it has not held up its end of the bargain. Tired of strolling through parks that lack promised amenities and along sidewalks that don't meet their expectations, about 200 residents have filed official requests for arbitration with Pyramid Community Developers...Orr, along with several other homeowners in the neighborhood, has been asking Pyramid to finish amenities since last summer. Residents are unhappy with landscaping, sidewalks, parks and finishing touches that they were sold on when they purchased their homes in the unincorporated area of Pinal County just south of Queen Creek. After sending a copy to Pyramid partners Mark Stapp and Harold Christ, Orr posted his official request for arbitration on a local message board."...
Mar. 16, 2006 12:00 AM
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azsunshine wrote: Mandimae wrote: azsunshine wrote: Can you scan the notes and post them here?
Also, would you mind to post future meeting dates? Shcedule for July is blank but today is highlighted light blue--I don't know if that is because its today or if there is a meeting today...
I don't know either (about the date). If I get anymore invitations, which is iffy at this point, I will post the dates. Once the hubby gets home and helps me figure out what I did to my poor scanner/faxer/printer/pain in the butt, I will post them! I believe most of it is directly from the website.
Someone asked that if you have a sign-in name, are you given more info...ummm, no.
Why wouldn't you get more invites? Do you feel like you might not get invites because you posted info? Hopefully you don't feel like that and hopefully they are not giving you that kind of impression.
Well, apparently, this info is not meant for everyone!
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Mandimae wrote: azsunshine wrote: Can you scan the notes and post them here?
Also, would you mind to post future meeting dates? Shcedule for July is blank but today is highlighted light blue--I don't know if that is because its today or if there is a meeting today...
I don't know either (about the date). If I get anymore invitations, which is iffy at this point, I will post the dates. Once the hubby gets home and helps me figure out what I did to my poor scanner/faxer/printer/pain in the butt, I will post them! I believe most of it is directly from the website.
Someone asked that if you have a sign-in name, are you given more info...ummm, no.
Why wouldn't you get more invites? Do you feel like you might not get invites because you posted info? Hopefully you don't feel like that and hopefully they are not giving you that kind of impression.
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| I would suggest that if anyone knows people who have lived in Copper Basin from the get-go to ask them what they think of Harold Christ. Ask them about the things he said to them at their one and only home owners meeting when the home owners were upset over several issues.
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azsunshine wrote: Can you scan the notes and post them here?
Also, would you mind to post future meeting dates? Shcedule for July is blank but today is highlighted light blue--I don't know if that is because its today or if there is a meeting today...
I don't know either (about the date). If I get anymore invitations, which is iffy at this point, I will post the dates. Once the hubby gets home and helps me figure out what I did to my poor scanner/faxer/printer/pain in the butt, I will post them! I believe most of it is directly from the website.
Someone asked that if you have a sign-in name, are you given more info...ummm, no.
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Can you scan the notes and post them here?
Also, would you mind to post future meeting dates? Shcedule for July is blank but today is highlighted light blue--I don't know if that is because its today or if there is a meeting today...
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I have the notes they gave out at the meeting. I will glady pass them on to whomever wants them. I never heard anything about them being private as the public was invited. In my invitation it said specifically to invite anyone interested.
I don't have any juicy tidbits really...sorry! I just got a better sense about the folks involved.
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Ted wrote: Harold Christ is a bad man. The developer of Copper Basin. Made many promises to prospective residents that he did not follow through on. Then refused to meet with residents to address the problems. Things may have improved, but I am not sure. I would still put him on a level of George Johnson.
I think that the big point is that we should not be letting people like this into the henhouse. A government is supposed to protect the residents from people who only want to profit from them. The GSTAC is designed to protect the developers from the residents.
This is like the BLC, only far worse. More secretive, more corrupt. I did not think such a thing could have been possible, but it is even more incompetent.
And now this information? Why would GSTAC consider people that have such a lousy and long-time public reputation to be part of their leadership? To give them a place at the table may be smart but not a leadership position. Bad judgement from the begining I guess.
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Mandimae wrote: I know because I was at the GSTAC meeting in May as a CITIZEN and NOT a MEMBER!! They posted the names and I wrote them down. Easy-peasy! I didn't realize it was such a big secret. 
MandieMae,
Amazing isn't it? The group exists and we know that there is a CORE group but nobody would address the names of the members. Anne avoided the question by acting like she never saw it. Several people asked the question directly. Nothing on the website. Is there anything else mentioned at the meeting that we would be interested in knowing? You seem to be the only person in attendence that is not beholden to Gordon and Jack.
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Harold Christ is a bad man. The developer of Copper Basin. Made many promises to prospective residents that he did not follow through on. Then refused to meet with residents to address the problems. Things may have improved, but I am not sure. I would still put him on a level of George Johnson.
I think that the big point is that we should not be letting people like this into the henhouse. A government is supposed to protect the residents from people who only want to profit from them. The GSTAC is designed to protect the developers from the residents.
This is like the BLC, only far worse. More secretive, more corrupt. I did not think such a thing could have been possible, but it is even more incompetent.
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| I know because I was at the GSTAC meeting in May as a CITIZEN and NOT a MEMBER!! They posted the names and I wrote them down. Easy-peasy! I didn't realize it was such a big secret.
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| what does a developer in Gold Canyon have to do with us? Are they one of the districts? Seems to me that they are kind of far from us to need or want our problems. As I understand it Gold Canyon has their own issues with Pinal County.
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Alright. I have gagged Bambi. This is what she wants you posters to know. She has picked up the "answer" paper from the Superior Court Building in Pinal. She is going to answer it per pro? That she says cost $200. just to answer it.
CORE members she knows of: Gordon Brown, of course. Jack Malpass. She says Jack is a good man; just has the wrong sidekick. Wanted incorporation until Mr. Brown showed up at his door. Mr. Harold Christ. Developed Gold Canyon. Is a very good and honest man, former partner of hers on a development; is trustworthy. Lives in Gold Canyon. Great asset for the community. Steve Johnson? Former President of the Chamber she believes. Good man too. George Johnson? I can't print what she is telling me, so we'll ignore her at this time, and sign off.
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I find it interesting that almost half of this CORE group is made up of people that do not live here and have only one motive, whichis to make money off of us. It does not seem to represent the community very well. I would still like to have confirmation that Steve Johnson is not family related to George Johnson. Johnson is a common name but this seems odd to me.
Why is it that you have all of this information but Anne was not able to release it to us. Were you approved by Gordon and Jack to give it out?
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| Well Steve Johnson is our State Farm rep and I don't think any relation to George. Harold Christ is the San Tan Heights or Copper Basin developer (I don't remember which). Other than that, eh...I don't know.
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These are the CORE members that I know of:
Gordon Brown
Harold Christ
Jack Malpass
Steve Johnson
George Johnson
Who are these people? How did they come into this power position? Why does the Johnson family get 2 representations?
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Of the Core members, only Malpass and Brown are authorized to speak on behalf of GSTAC.
Why is it that the 2 people that started this group are the only ones that can speak out? this is why we have no confidence and ask that they not claim representation over us. They can not possibly speak for us since they refuse to speak with us. This is fundimentally wrong on so many levels.
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These are the CORE members that I know of:
Gordon Brown
Harold Christ
Jack Malpass
Steve Johnson
George Johnson
Of the Core members, only Malpass and Brown are authorized to speak on behalf of GSTAC.
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Here are the district reps from my notes from the meeting last month (excuse any spelling errors as I was writing super fast to get it all!):
District 1: Anne Reed, Ed Guerra
District 2: Jeff and Arlene Studley, Dan Smith
D3: David and Gina Gress
D4: Jordan Lynde, Paul Messinger
D5: Larry Moore
D6: Libby Corral, Harry Davis
D7: none
D8: Beverly Lennen, Dena Larson
D9: none
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Bambi wrote:
Anne. I know it's not you. You know who it is....Just give the "people" you serve a list of those who are the Core Members and the District Reps. Simple task. Thank you for your concern Anne, of me. But I'm not alone in this anymore. Other innocent families are now a part of it. Use your Christian Compass to guide you...not the directives of others.
Two things have happened to me in this County, with similar players involved.
1. I was turned into the Real Estate Dept. by Pinal County's Minor Land Division 2 years ago. Two people came into the County over the weekend to research my locations of my land. Only one has been identified. The other has yet to be identified. I have asked the County and they say have that request come from the Real Estate Dept. Why? Why can't I be given that info. What or Who are they hiding? One thing I do know. Gordon Brown is down there all the time and had a bone to pick with me. Could it have been him?
2. The Plans for the Protest against Johnson Utilities. The person once again that was within the "camp" of George Johnson was Gordon Brown. Gordon is in every camp that is out here, except the people's, in my opinion. Gordon was inside the YMCA according to a poster, fratenizing with the Johnson staff. Not with the "people" in the heat outside. That makes him "suspect" in my mind, about yet another calamity upon me....a lawsuit from the person he was fratenizing with.....Brian Tompsette.
SO; you tell me Anne. How does that look to you? Suspicious or just coincidence? If you believe in the truth setting you free, then speak it. You will find you have many more friends on this side, than you do on the other side. Think about it then pray about it....but tell us the truth. My entire estate is at risk, as is my mental health, and that of others.
Do the right thing.
Honestly, Bambi, I do not have that information but have requested that it be prominently posted on the website (more than once).
I don't think Gordon Brown would have any new questions about minor land divisions to which you were a party. You've always been open about your activities (to my knowledge) and I feel quite certain that any questions he might have had would have been asked and answered at the time of the MLD-via public records. I don't have any idea who the mysterious inquiry might have come from but I don't think it was Gordon.
I didn't attend the JU appreciation party or the related protest so I can't speak to who spoke to who, where they were, or what it meant. I did hear that George Johnson was out in the heat "with the people" wearing a sign bearing his name and inviting public comments.
I do not believe that there is any connection between Gordon Brown and the calamities to which you refer. I am very concerned by your post and terribly sorry for the hardships you, and the other families of which you speak, are presently enduring.
My only advice is to take hope in the fact you know you'll be exhonorated from wrongdoing when the investigations are complete. In times of trial, it is most important we maintain our equilibrium and rest in the equity of the justice system.
Regards,
Anne
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Anne,
Are you telling me that as a member of the GSTAC you are not able to speak out? You must be told by some else what is "appropriate" and "authorized"? This group is looking worse every day. I reiterate, I could never be part of any public serving group where I was not able to telll the public what is going on and who is part of it.
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anne.reed wrote: QCVillager wrote:
anne.reed wrote: Hi All:
Rather than rehashing the details of GSTAC, I recommend those who are interested in learning about this organization go to:
http://www.ourGSTAC.com
Sorry for the delayed response, been working alot of hours lately.
Regards,
Anne
Anne,
why the continual SECRECY as to who comprises GSTAC ?
why the hesitancy to say who has been appointed to be the ONE VOICE for the 9 different districts ?
how can it be said that you would be "rehashing" the details of GSTAC when to date there have been practically No Details ?
if the GSTAC's mission is indeed to effect positive change and positive outcomes for the area it purports to represent... then provide the information POST HASTE ! go the FULL DISCLOSURE route.
There is no secrecy or hesitancy. I am not in charge of GSTAC. I am only a temporary district representative. I do not have access to all the representatives by district, but, have requested that the website be updated to include this information.
The work is great but the workers are few. Since we are an organization comprised of volunteers, please understand that it will take time to fully implement the program.
Do you have any questions about District 1?
Regards,
Anne
"the work is great but the workers are few"
Anne, you will continue to have few workers if people have the perception that things are going on in secret. it is the classic chicken/egg deal. who would you expect is going to jump in and volunteer if it seems like you have to have a secret password to find out who the others are and what the org chart looks like ?
everyone would understand that said org chart is "in flux" and dynamic and subject to change, but just post what is known for now and give residents a chance and more importantly... the INFORMATION they need to figure out if GSTAC is something they can back or not.
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JJohnson wrote:
Amazing the level of response we get from Anne. I know for a fact that she was still online when I posted my message for at least 10 minutes. Yet no response on specific questions or excuses like "volunteers with much work and little time" or "not my department so I can't answer that question". What gives Anne? Are you just consulting with Mr Brown prior to answering any questions? Can't you stand on your own 2 feet and take a stance? If the answers to these basic questions is so troublesome would that not say something about the group? I could never be part of something that was so afraid of such basic questions.
GSTAC is like cockroaches running from the light.
I didn't hear anybody ask about my stance, you are asking me to speak for GSTAC. I am not authorized to do so.
In light of recent occurrences I would be hesitant to post my personal opinions.
Regards,
Anne
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Anne. I know it's not you. You know who it is....Just give the "people" you serve a list of those who are the Core Members and the District Reps. Simple task. Thank you for your concern Anne, of me. But I'm not alone in this anymore. Other innocent families are now a part of it. Use your Christian Compass to guide you...not the directives of others.
Two things have happened to me in this County, with similar players involved.
1. I was turned into the Real Estate Dept. by Pinal County's Minor Land Division 2 years ago. Two people came into the County over the weekend to research my locations of my land. Only one has been identified. The other has yet to be identified. I have asked the County and they say have that request come from the Real Estate Dept. Why? Why can't I be given that info. What or Who are they hiding? One thing I do know. Gordon Brown is down there all the time and had a bone to pick with me. Could it have been him?
2. The Plans for the Protest against Johnson Utilities. The person once again that was within the "camp" of George Johnson was Gordon Brown. Gordon is in every camp that is out here, except the people's, in my opinion. Gordon was inside the YMCA according to a poster, fratenizing with the Johnson staff. Not with the "people" in the heat outside. That makes him "suspect" in my mind, about yet another calamity upon me....a lawsuit from the person he was fratenizing with.....Brian Tompsette.
SO; you tell me Anne. How does that look to you? Suspicious or just coincidence? If you believe in the truth setting you free, then speak it. You will find you have many more friends on this side, than you do on the other side. Think about it then pray about it....but tell us the truth. My entire estate is at risk, as is my mental health, and that of others.
Do the right thing.
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Amazing the level of response we get from Anne. I know for a fact that she was still online when I posted my message for at least 10 minutes. Yet no response on specific questions or excuses like "volunteers with much work and little time" or "not my department so I can't answer that question". What gives Anne? Are you just consulting with Mr Brown prior to answering any questions? Can't you stand on your own 2 feet and take a stance? If the answers to these basic questions is so troublesome would that not say something about the group? I could never be part of something that was so afraid of such basic questions.
GSTAC is like cockroaches running from the light.
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How many ways does it have to be asked?????? WHO IS IN CHARGE?????
anne.reed wrote:
QCVillager wrote:
anne.reed wrote: Hi All:
Rather than rehashing the details of GSTAC, I recommend those who are interested in learning about this organization go to:
http://www.ourGSTAC.com
Sorry for the delayed response, been working alot of hours lately.
Regards,
Anne
Anne,
why the continual SECRECY as to who comprises GSTAC ?
why the hesitancy to say who has been appointed to be the ONE VOICE for the 9 different districts ?
how can it be said that you would be "rehashing" the details of GSTAC when to date there have been practically No Details ?
if the GSTAC's mission is indeed to effect positive change and positive outcomes for the area it purports to represent... then provide the information POST HASTE ! go the FULL DISCLOSURE route.
There is no secrecy or hesitancy. I am not in charge of GSTAC. I am only a temporary district representative. I do not have access to all the representatives by district, but, have requested that the website be updated to include this information.
The work is great but the workers are few. Since we are an organization comprised of volunteers, please understand that it will take time to fully implement the program.
Do you have any questions about District 1?
Regards,
Anne
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 07:40 pm |
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QCVillager wrote:
anne.reed wrote: Hi All:
Rather than rehashing the details of GSTAC, I recommend those who are interested in learning about this organization go to:
http://www.ourGSTAC.com
Sorry for the delayed response, been working alot of hours lately.
Regards,
Anne
Anne,
why the continual SECRECY as to who comprises GSTAC ?
why the hesitancy to say who has been appointed to be the ONE VOICE for the 9 different districts ?
how can it be said that you would be "rehashing" the details of GSTAC when to date there have been practically No Details ?
if the GSTAC's mission is indeed to effect positive change and positive outcomes for the area it purports to represent... then provide the information POST HASTE ! go the FULL DISCLOSURE route.
There is no secrecy or hesitancy. I am not in charge of GSTAC. I am only a temporary district representative. I do not have access to all the representatives by district, but, have requested that the website be updated to include this information.
The work is great but the workers are few. Since we are an organization comprised of volunteers, please understand that it will take time to fully implement the program.
Do you have any questions about District 1?
Regards,
Anne
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 07:36 pm |
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This site gives practically no useful information.
I agree. It should have updates to reflect what went on at meetings and also address local issues that make the news to inform and motivate folks to get involved.
Theres a lot going on. I didnt see a reflection of that on GSTACS site.
Also by registering for a log in are you then let onto the informative area of teh site or just sent email updates?
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 07:31 pm |
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anne.reed wrote: Hi All:
Rather than rehashing the details of GSTAC, I recommend those who are interested in learning about this organization go to:
http://www.ourGSTAC.com
Sorry for the delayed response, been working alot of hours lately.
Regards,
Anne
Anne,
why the continual SECRECY as to who comprises GSTAC ?
why the hesitancy to say who has been appointed to be the ONE VOICE for the 9 different districts ?
how can it be said that you would be "rehashing" the details of GSTAC when to date there have been practically No Details ?
if the GSTAC's mission is indeed to effect positive change and positive outcomes for the area it purports to represent... then provide the information POST HASTE ! go the FULL DISCLOSURE route.
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 07:24 pm |
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My point is that this info should be on the GSTAC site and not on some forum.
All information should be on the site and not in my (or some other chosen few) email boxes.
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anne.reed
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dansjensdad wrote:
anne.reed wrote: Hi All:
Rather than rehashing the details of GSTAC, I recommend those who are interested in learning about this organization go to:
http://www.ourGSTAC.com
Sorry for the delayed response, been working alot of hours lately.
Regards,
Anne
This site gives practically no useful information.
Who are my reps? How do I contact them? When do they meet again?
How do they know my neighbors' or my concerns?
http://www.ourGSTAC.com = 
Dear B:
Ed Guerra and myself are the temporary representatives for District 1, the rural areas. Are you still at the same email address? I've changed computers since we last corresponded but I think I remember yours, I'll put you on my list of interested citizens and make sure you're included in future mailings and invitations for GSTAC and District 1 meetings.
Regards,
Anne
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 06:56 pm |
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anne.reed wrote: Hi All:
Rather than rehashing the details of GSTAC, I recommend those who are interested in learning about this organization go to:
http://www.ourGSTAC.com
Sorry for the delayed response, been working alot of hours lately.
Regards,
Anne
This site gives practically no useful information.
Who are my reps? How do I contact them? When do they meet again?
How do they know my neighbors' or my concerns?
http://www.ourGSTAC.com =
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anne.reed
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 05:43 pm |
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Hi All:
Rather than rehashing the details of GSTAC, I recommend those who are interested in learning about this organization go to:
http://www.ourGSTAC.com
Sorry for the delayed response, been working alot of hours lately.
Regards,
Anne
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Bambi wrote: And since we are on the GSTAC topic here, where are the efforts of that group towards J.U.? Where is the documentation showing those efforts? Where are the representatives/CORE Members, who state they are the voice of the people, inasmuch as no other people belong to that group, or so it appears.
SPEAK TO US GSTAC.....somewhere; sometime; something.
Well, Bambi, looks like you heard from them loud and clear, via your recent summons.
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2 cents wrote: Just asking a hopefully harmless question here. What can GSTAC do? They are not a governing body. They are not a regulating body. They can condemn and write letters of protest as can anyone.
Thank you. 2
The same as the BLC. Since they are obviously one in the same the tactics and results will be the same or worse since now they have taken George Johnson in as one of their own.
Do we really want the BLC/GSTAC to make more decisions like they did in the San Tan Flat fiasco?
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Just asking a hopefully harmless question here. What can GSTAC do? They are not a governing body. They are not a regulating body. They can condemn and write letters of protest as can anyone.
Thank you. 2
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And since we are on the GSTAC topic here, where are the efforts of that group towards J.U.? Where is the documentation showing those efforts? Where are the representatives/CORE Members, who state they are the voice of the people, inasmuch as no other people belong to that group, or so it appears.
SPEAK TO US GSTAC.....somewhere; sometime; something.
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