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starleen wrote: Wow, somewhere north of Az Farms Road and Hunt? That's not exactly what I consider the San Tan area - more like the Anthem area. The TOQC library would be more convenient for the San Tans than a library out there.
It's actually pretty close for the Johnson Ranch residents, especially the southern end of Johnson Ranch. It's several extra miles for the San Tan Heights folks of course, but still more convenient than TOQC unless you happen to drive by the TOQC library on your way home from work and want to stop at the library. Looking at a map, it appears Az Farms Road and Hunt Highway intersection is equal distance from San Tan Heights as it is from Anthem.
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Wow, somewhere north of Az Farms Road and Hunt? That's not exactly what I consider the San Tan area - more like the Anthem area. The TOQC library would be more convenient for the San Tans than a library out there. Love to see the plans and how they will accomplish this, expand services in three other locations AND maintain existing library service with a whopping $4 million. I guess they will get a loan?
Bambi, it would be great if the fines paid by JU could be returned to the community - especially since JU will probably just pass the expenses on to the customers anyway.
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How did that happen? What citizens in the area were involved in the process? How come the people are the last to know? Where was the call in the press for us, the people, to come together and participate in the Library's location; size; design; purpose, etc.
When I was trying to sell some commercial land in Q.C. years ago, I always heard about the need for a library, and the encouragement to donate thoughts; locations;etc. The citizens were encouraged to be involved.
$40. for a Library card for Pinal's use? That $40. will buy a half of tank of gas. It's all about priorities. The citizens have paid their dues already via their property tax bill. Why double jeopardy?
I am still awaiting Sandie's response. Perhaps Heather can tell us how all this happened.
Starleen. I have sent a email to Mundell with the Corporation Commission yesterday, asking that the fines be given to the people.....they are the ones who have been "damaged" because of Johnson....not the Corporation Commission.
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Mr. Mundell. My name is Bambi Sandquist and I live in the San Tan area in George Johnson's franchise district. You oversee him is my understanding. I have checked out the EPA report on Mr. Johnson, and he has over 100 violations. How is it you allow him to continue in the position he is in....owner and manager? The lives of people are at stake out here, as his tactics are ruthless and non caring. It is my understanding that he places balloons in their sewer lines if they don't pay their sewer bills. Is that legal and more important is it humane? Should we allow our children to be punished for the sins of their "fathers?" I see you are a fellow ASU graduate....I graduated in 66, That college degree gives you better background to make better judgments on behalf of the people in my opinion. So what do we do with a "runaway" entrepenuer? One who provides utilities to the public, but needs to have the govt. oversee his actions....24/7. So, if you decide to fine him again, and put him back on the street, then the effected people would like to be the beneficiaries of that fine. That is only the fair and right thing to do. I am speaking to you as I see your anger towards this and not that of your comprades. So it is you that has taken the courage to wrestle the controls away from this tyrant. I hope you will continue. I would like to arrange a meeting with you and the effected people, if possible. Thank you.
Bambi
Here is the email I sent Sandie. Still awaiting her resonse.
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Hi there. I hope this finds you well. I was wondering if you could explain to me Mr. Doolittle's comment that we are going to get a new library in the San Tans. Now, this is second hand information, so that's why I come to you for the truth. Could you tell me, so I can tell my neighbors, just what the County's plans are for a Library in our area. I'm sure George Johnson is out of the picture, but I'm glad...his money is "dirty" money in my book. I heard from an x employee of his that if a customer does not pay his sewer bill, then a balloon is put in his line leading to his home, so it will backup. Sandie? Are the children going to have to pay for the sins of their fathers? It's inhumane.
Anyway.....let me know. Thanks.
Now, if the rest of us out here will send emails/letters to our government reps., maybe we can find out the truth.....it states north of Az. Farms Rd. That's a big area. Can we narrow it down? Is this the piece George Johnson was going to donate?
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QCVillager wrote: pls keep me posted as to actual timeline and location, etc... i have a number of friends in the JR area who are seeking a library NEARER to them and they are so upset because they had been told way back when to oppose the incorporation effort since a library had been promised by the developer or George Johnson or whomever (they were getting conflicting info depending on who from the BLS they were talking to)
below is an excerpt from an EV Trib article that talks about a new library for San Tan area... (read full story about Pinal County budget here... http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/119391 )
However, there is room in the budget for a much-needed library in the northern part of the county, Murphy said.
A library is scheduled to be built in about a year on Hunt Highway north of Arizona Farms Road.
County residents in the San Tan area now have to pay Queen Creek $40 for a library card, or travel to Apache Junction, Coolidge or Florence to check out books from a county facility. "With gas being what it is, that $40 would be a bargain," Murphy said.
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I'm not good with accounting but it looks like .8% of the Pinal County budget is set aside for Library expenditures (about 4 million of the 450 million budget).
Pima county has a budget of 1.5 billion approved for 2008-2009, and they have set aside 36 Million for their library districts - 2.4%, or (comparing ratios) 3 times the piece of the pie that Pinal set aside.
The Pinal presentation says nothing about a NEW library anywhere - they are just "expanding services" in four areas. I noted in the Pima County budget they allowed $300 grand for a single BookMobile - I'm thinking $4 million won't buy any of the four areas a new library building anytime soon (unless it is BYOB!).
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starleen wrote: http://pinalcountyaz.gov/Departments/BudgetOffice/Documents/Downloads/FY%202008-09%20Tentative%20Budget%20Presentation.ppt
Here is a link to a powerpoint presentation titled 2008/2009 Tentative Budget Presentation. Not much detail, but it says on page 2:
Expanding Library Services
- San Tan - Oracle
- Arizona City - San Manuel
Edit: and here is the link to a PDF of the budget:
http://pinalcountyaz.gov/Departments/BudgetOffice/Documents/Downloads/FY%202008-09%20Tentative%20Budget_1.pdf
The question that needs answered is, why now?
Is the country trying to buy us for some reason? I will believe it when I see it, because with their record this will happen when monkies fly out of my arse.
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starleen wrote:
Perhaps Mr. Johnson could still pay for a new library by earmarking all of the fines he about to be hit with for that purpose. It would give a whole new meaning to the term, "past-due library fines."
Thats an outstanding idea! Get to work and try to make it happen. Brilliant!
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| Perhaps Mr. Johnson could still pay for a new library by earmarking all of the fines he about to be hit with for that purpose. It would give a whole new meaning to the term, "past-due library fines."
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| pls keep me posted as to actual timeline and location, etc... i have a number of friends in the JR area who are seeking a library NEARER to them and they are so upset because they had been told way back when to oppose the incorporation effort since a library had been promised by the developer or George Johnson or whomever (they were getting conflicting info depending on who from the BLS they were talking to)
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Bambi wrote: Thank you very much. I will email Sandie for a verification and to know more details. I will copy Mr. Doolittle. Then, I will bring it on my website.
I am so thankful for blogs. Great way to acquire information. Too bad GSTAC doesn't believe in them....at least their Core Members don't use them and have stated they are of no benefit. Do you think maybe that's why they are critized for not being in touch?
They are not in touch because most of them are not residents and those that are well..... need I say more?
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Thank you very much. I will email Sandie for a verification and to know more details. I will copy Mr. Doolittle. Then, I will bring it on my website.
I am so thankful for blogs. Great way to acquire information. Too bad GSTAC doesn't believe in them....at least their Core Members don't use them and have stated they are of no benefit. Do you think maybe that's why they are critized for not being in touch?
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http://pinalcountyaz.gov/Departments/BudgetOffice/Documents/Downloads/FY%202008-09%20Tentative%20Budget%20Presentation.ppt
Here is a link to a powerpoint presentation titled 2008/2009 Tentative Budget Presentation. Not much detail, but it says on page 2:
Expanding Library Services
- San Tan - Oracle
- Arizona City - San Manuel
Edit: and here is the link to a PDF of the budget:
http://pinalcountyaz.gov/Departments/BudgetOffice/Documents/Downloads/FY%202008-09%20Tentative%20Budget_1.pdf
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| It was stated during Mr. Doolittle's presentation to the Board of Supervisors so it may be in the minutes once they are available.
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| It was stated during Mr. Doolittle's presentation to the Board of Supervisors so it may be in the minutes once they are available.
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Louise wrote: A library for the San Tan area has been approved by the county in its tentative new budget.
Could you please bring that approval information on here.... That's something I would think would hit the newspapers, so that the people out here can be aware. Where is it? thank you. Are you sure it is not "some monies" toward a Library?
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| A library for the San Tan area has been approved by the county in its tentative new budget.
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Anne or GSTAC, please respond.
QCVillager wrote:
Hey GSTAC - as long as you are providing updates... please let us know how that new library we have been hearing about for the past couple of years is coming along. I have friends in the JR area asking me about it.
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| Hey GSTAC - as long as you are providing updates... please let us know how that new library we have been hearing about for the past couple of years is coming along. I have friends in the JR area asking me about it.
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And what is the "GSTAC general plan"? And who devised it? And how many people have seen it? Who had input? Is it like the County Comp. Plan only specifically dealing with the San Tan area?
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I never thought about that angle. When did they have this discussion as to what the community wanted in regards to the freeway placement? Did they just ASSUME that the community agreed with them again? Or is this a special case that they made an executive decision on what is best for all of us again? Where is the data to show this overwhelming support for the GSTAC position? Would they change their position if they found people actually liked the alignment?
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anne.reed wrote:
Dear Houndmom:
Thanks for the details. Highest congratulations to Lane Smith, you, and the whole Meadow Vista/Castlegate crew. You guys are awesome!
You have our full support on this issue and we look forward to getting your input on the GSTAC general plan. We will need to examine not only the placement of the 802, but, the placement of arterial roads that serve it.
Regards,
Anne
And this right here tells you all that you need to know about the GSTAC.
Now first of all, I am sure that houndmom has very legitimate reasons for opposing this placement of the 802. I do not wish to argue with specifics about that.
But right here, a mere hours after houndmom places this post, Anne Reed pleges the full support of the GSTAC in one direction. Wow.
A few possibilities here. Perhaps the GSTAC has actually deliberated this point and after hearing all sides has decided to take this course of action. That would be impressive. But if this is the case, can you please release the meeting minutes in which this decision was made?
Another possibility is that perhaps Anne Reed just likes to shoot off her mouth and speak for a group when in fact that group is not ready to be spoken for. In which case they may need to seriously reconsider Anne Reed's membership.
You know, this GSTAC is in fact worse than the BLC. Same secrecy, same incompetence, just that this time they have George Johnson on their side.
This would never have happened if Gordon Brown was still alive.
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Anne,
I really can't stand by and listen to this crap any longer. Do you really think we are this stupid and would blindly follow someone that treats us like infants that need a new mother? Your GSTAC is nothing more than a power hold. Since the BLC became impotent due to their exposure to the public you merely renamed yourself.
When was the last time that your fearless leader, Gordon Brown, actually addressed the pubic that he claims to represent?
When he last addressed us was he talking or listening? There is an old saying that God gave us 2 ears and one mouth. Therefore we should listen twice as much as we talk. I don't get this from Gordon.
Is Gordon fearful of speaking to us? We are obviously concerned citizen and we deserve to be able to address the person that wants to say he speaks for us. This forum is perfect. We get to address our concerns and he gets to answer without interruption or misrepresentation.
When will Gordon be addressing us here? If he is unwilling then how can he say he is representing us? Where will his authority to call himself a leader come from? Is it self rule or representative rule?
If Gordon is voted out as the GSTAC (Is this possible in the GSTAC's current structure?) will he just start a new group again? Or will he attend County meetings and advise that he is representing nobody but himself?
The are legitimate questions that deserve an answer. Please answer them yourself and not consult Gordon for his answer. We don't need a mouthpiece, such as yourself. We need to hear from the horse himself. The President of the US address the public and press personally from time to time. When will Gordon?
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houndmom wrote:
Anne:
I think it should be noted regarding your statement:
The Castlegate HOA has been diligent in rousing neighbors to unite against Option 4 alignment of the 802. As they need our assistance, they will receive it. Until then, District 1 remains my primary concern.
I am a board member of the Castlegate HOA and credit is due to the leadership of the Meadow Vista HOA President, Lane Smith. He is the person working tirelessly with many others in our area to organize the meeting that took place a few weeks ago. There were not only community members from Castlegate in attendance there were many others from potentially affected communities there. I just think its fair to make sure that credit is given where credit is due.
Dear Houndmom:
Thanks for the details. Highest congratulations to Lane Smith, you, and the whole Meadow Vista/Castlegate crew. You guys are awesome!
You have our full support on this issue and we look forward to getting your input on the GSTAC general plan. We will need to examine not only the placement of the 802, but, the placement of arterial roads that serve it.
Regards,
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Good post there houndmom. You are exactly right. Credit where credit is due, and Lane has been "deep" into this with the people, and doesn't need anyone to derail his objectives because they are looking for recognition and acceptance.
Layers of government are unnecessary. Too many channels. Allow the HOA leader to represent the neighbors to the parties that be. Whether it be County or ADOT or ? whomever. It's more "effective" if it comes from the oppressed, instead of an outsider. I understand Gordon is working with them, according to another post, I believe. Assist them Anne, but don't "lead" them, as you want to do. We don't want another layer of government to answer to.
It's easy to form a group. Build a website. And then sit back and state you now have the authority to make decisions on other people's behalf. Where are your people? Where is your authority and from whom did you receive it? We never have heard from anyone on these boards out here, except you Anne. Are you it? Why don't the CORE members talk to the people on these boards? Why don't they talk to the people "anywhere." Where are they? There is no feed back anywhere on what you are doing in the community, except from you on this board, and that has proven unreliable. This is really starting to get "old."
I can only place GSTAC in the same category as I have placed George Johnson; the one GSTAC wants to entice to join their organization.....the Farce category.
Keep up the good work houndmom. 
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Anne:
I think it should be noted regarding your statement:
The Castlegate HOA has been diligent in rousing neighbors to unite against Option 4 alignment of the 802. As they need our assistance, they will receive it. Until then, District 1 remains my primary concern.
I am a board member of the Castlegate HOA and credit is due to the leadership of the Meadow Vista HOA President, Lane Smith. He is the person working tirelessly with many others in our area to organize the meeting that took place a few weeks ago. There were not only community members from Castlegate in attendance there were many others from potentially affected communities there. I just think its fair to make sure that credit is given where credit is due.
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Almost every state in the Union has the 300 ft. law for zoning approval. You and Your group have decided for the rest of us that it should extend out further to include more people? Then change the Law. There are process's in place to do that, but you can not pick and choose which laws are good for you and for us and which aren't, no more than you should be able to pick and choose what "you" want to approve on someone elses property and what you don't.....spot zoning. You're scaring our reveue sources away with your ridiculous edicts....that case you speak of that yu consented for approval on Hunt. There's more to the story than that. Also, I understand you told them you didn't want any music playing outsite from their offices? Yep. Our revenue sources are looking elsewhere becuase of requests like that. Did you expect them to have a band playing to their clients outside of their offices? It just ain't going to happen anymore,once we have a new supervisor, so you might as well change now.
And it bothers me even more to think that you are representing me, or at least you "think" you represent me, on that Hunt Hiway Corridor, when you mention that you think that subject property concerning the rezoning, remain residential. You need to understand that I don't believe that any of that property should stay residential, along Hunt, unless the present owners decide to keep it that way. That's why you don't speak for me....nor does GSTAC. Poor judgements effect our future.....as it did with SanTanFlats. Not again.
And to suggest that GSTAC be another layer of government and source of approval one has to go through to get things done around here, and in Queen Creek and Maricopa County is ludicrous and obscene....just another roadblock to progress.. Get out of the way or hop on board. You don't have the will of the people....you have the "will" of a few who have been running the show out here. And a "few" in the political world just doens't cut it.....it takes masses. Bring your masses and then we'll talk.
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gsbill wrote:
I will personally make sure that your voice, as an area resident, receives equal consideration with other residential opinions of equal weight
What does that mean? You cant control others residents voices. With all due respect Anne you are starting to scare me. Freedom of speech ring a bell?
Whats this equal weight qualifier? If you stood in public and said what you just said here, people would throw tomatoes at you!
Perhaps I miss understood.
Yes, I feel quite certain you did misunderstand. Sorry, I probably should have better explained my statement.
What that means is simply this: In the process of collecting citizen input for zoning changes, by county procedure those who live within a stated distance from the proposed site are notified. The logic being, they are most effected by the proposed change and therefore deserve the right to weigh in on the issue. I believe this notification area is too limited and have supported public meetings designed to give more neighbors the opportunity to learn about the proposed project and voice their concerns to the petitioner.
For example, at the public meetings conducted when CI Development proposed the zoning change for their parcel on Hunt Highway between Sundancer Farms and Trica Lane, there were quite a few people in attendance who thought that the property should remain residential (myself included). Many people in attendance asked questions, voiced concerns and made suggestions to the petitioner.
After hearing the concerns of the neighbors, CI Development went back to the drawing board and revised their plans to adequately address their anxieties. With these revisions, the vast majority of residents from Trica Lane, those from across the street on Hunt (whose ability to get in and out of their driveways could be effected) and the owner of Sundancer Farms (all adjacent to the subject property) approved of the revised plan and supported the zoning change with the PAD overlay.
I strongly believe the "extended neighborhood" should be included in the public meetings so their input can be considered by all parties during the process but that the ultimate outcome should (almost always) reflect the desires of the immediate neighbors. Though I did not think it was a appropriate place for commercial, my opinion was less significant than the opinions of those who were most impacted by the proposed change. Consequently, I weighed in in favor of the project at the BOS meeting on behalf of those who were working or who (for other reasons) could not be in attendance.
This is what I mean by weighted consideration.
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Anne
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I will personally make sure that your voice, as an area resident, receives equal consideration with other residential opinions of equal weight
What does that mean? You cant control others residents voices. With all due respect Anne you are starting to scare me. Freedom of speech ring a bell?
Whats this equal weight qualifier? If you stood in public and said what you just said here, people would throw tomatoes at you!
Perhaps I miss understood.
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Dear Bambi:
While I don't yet know what venue we might use, I will be happy to include you in any future discussions about the Hunt Corridor to which I am a party. You live nearby, so your opinion matters. Normally the public meeting are held when there is a new proposal to change GR zoning along the Hunt. I will personally make sure that your voice, as an area resident, receives equal consideration with other residential opinions of equal weight. (Weighted by impact on property rights).
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Anne
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azsunshine wrote:
Is that true Anne? If you have different ideas and voice them you are not welcome at your new group?
Here is some unwelcome constructive criticism: I think it would have been wiser for the main group to publish "announcements" for each district together. That way your and Ed's district that you live in would be there but not the only one that people are focused on. It just seems that if you are the only "representative" announcing and you are both ex- now-or whatever BLC members it will seem like this new group is just BLC reincarnated. Have your district announcements but it (your district) will not be the center of the stage.
That is absolutely not true!
Everyone is encouraged to participate in GSTAC. And you are wrong, your criticism is duly noted. The GSTAC webmaster is in the process of moving the website into it's next phase of utility. Originally, we wanted to be sure that everyone understood the underlying organization and our next meeting (awaiting a date) will bring more features that will further assist GSTAC residents in voicing their concerns, reviewing area wide issues, means to contact their representative, and detailing any events or meetings that GSTAC residents might wish to attend.
The only reason it might appear that District 1 is the sole source of representation is because this is a blog that I have frequented over the past few years and on which I post. I am eager to post relevant information on the GSTAC site, as are other representatives. Most areas have HOA's and block-watch groups organized that are acting as temporary conduits to GSTAC citizenry. After the GSTAC site is complete, and your representatives have had the opportunity to discuss options for better dissemination of local issues, this situation will be resolved.
I'll keep you posted.
Kind Regards,
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pipeman wrote:
anne.reed wrote: Thank you for correcting the record, JJ.
If cities, counties, utility providers and governmental agencies recognize GSTAC, the unfounded suspicion of a few residents is of secondary concern. I am confident that time and participation will erase any skepticism that exists concerning the mission of GSTAC.
GSTAC is a valuable community resource. It is here, and it's available to all those who choose to participate. As with any democratic process, those who do not participate will not be represented. ALL are invited to participate.
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Anne
wow, let me keep this quote for future reference and make sure it doesn't get edited to show the mentality of this group.
My intent on this post was to emphasize GSTAC's ability to effectively promote the changes and ideas that local residents initiate. It was not my intent to exclude anyone from the process. Your opinion is valuable. You, and your opinions are important.
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Anne
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Dear AZ;
If you wish to participate in GSTAC, your voice (along the voices of all other participants) will be heard. Not as a single rogue complainer, but, as a unified body of citizens which is far more effective in governmental circles.
No one has to participate, but, those who are not being heard under existing governance might wish to join up. There's nothing to lose and everything to gain.
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B,
Maybe it has to do with the ramblings of "no moral obligation" that someone posted on here--I remembered I asked about what that meant and there was no answer so maybe it is a blanket answer to everything "no moral obligation". I'll see if I can find that old post......
Found it (cut and paste)
bobdotson wrote: Dear Readers and Bloggers,
I think it time to comment first on Bryan Martyn and then on GSTAC.
I think it important to share my measure of Bryan Martyn.
I can't claim he considers me a close friend, but have come to think of him as a friend, and it is though our sharing a common experience in national service, that I'm certain we consider each other family.
I can't say I've known him all my life, but I know that though common experience of us both having chosen to serve our great nation in uniform for most of our adult lives, that I can say with confidence that I know the man.
I can't say I have been a long time witness of the compassion buried deep within him, but I have personally witnessed him give great comfort to families that have endured the ultimate sacrifice through the loss of one they cherished to the tragedy of war.
I can't say I know his politics, but I can bear witness that I know him a patriot, in every sense of the word.
I can't say he has shared with me his views on nurturing our youth, but I have witnessed him lift my own son into a noble action that my son would not have considered without Bryan Martyn's direction and encouragement.
I can't say Bryan Martyn and I have conversed on topics of integrity, justice, stewardship, public responsibility, trust, accountability, or leadership, but I can say that I know Bryan Martyn position on all these things, through more than his sworn oath to protect and preserve our constitution, but in his putting that oath into action risking his life in the face of our enemies as a combat vet in Desert Storm, Bosnia, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
As you can see, there's not much I can say about Bryan Martyn. However, it is my measure of this man, that I am thrilled that such a man, a selfless native of Arizona, has indicated his willingness to continue to serve and has stepped forward, willing to serve us, and is a man, a leader, I am willing to have serve me.
These thoughts are all mine, and have not been coordinated with, or endorsed by Bryan Martyn. If you think that you might like to see the name of such a man appear on this fall's ballot for District 2 Pinal County Board of Supervisors, feel free to contact me to learn how you might help make that happen.
And now I would like to share some thoughts on GSTAC.
Community organizations need to begin somewhere, and as they have in the past, with all of the past failed attempts at organizing this community, it usually is a group of like minded citizens that get together and start talking about how to get things rolling. These groups have not been government run, ordered, or sanctioned, nor are they bound by ARS public meeting requirements. They have been private citizens, exercising their constitutional right to freely associate with whom they wish. Once these private groups cross into the realm of incorporation, annexation, or formation of a tax district, then the ARS public meeting requirements come into play.
So, at this point the GSTAC CORE team is just a bunch of private citizens freely associating with whom they choose, and are free to disclose any part of their activities or ideas they desire, with whom they desire.
I feel fortunate that the GSTAC CORE team thought of me, a resident in Unincorporated Northern Pinal County (UNPC), as someone they thought might be interested in their proposition, and valued my input enough to invite me to the first meetings for people that were not on their CORE team.
At those meetings, the GSTAC CORE team made it clear to those that attended, that GSTAC currently has no moral or any other authority to speak for anyone in the proposed boundary area, other than for the consensus of ideas that the GSTAC CORE team might achieve, and representing only themselves. So, acknowledging that constraint, GSTAC CORE team has identified several approaches to legitimizing GSTAC as a vehicle to representing common interests for the GSTAC proposed boundary population. They are seeking endorsement and recognition by other NGOs and interested governments. The will eventually be seeking formal non-profit status. But probably the most important thing that they have proposed, is that once the initial Extended Visioning Team is identified, which will consist of resident volunteers from each proposed district, people willing to step forward to volunteer for a short period, that high on the GSTAC list of priorities, recognizing the need to have the community embrace the 'representative' nature of the organization they desire to achieve, will be holding district elections to replace early Extended Visioning Team and CORE members with those that can be considered truly 'representative' of their respective districts. It will be those 'elected' representatives' that will set the agenda and priorities for GSTAC, not the GSTAC CORE team. The GSTAC CORE team has not proposed any agenda, or position and are just facilitators trying to get the greater UNPC moving in a direction that could be considered 'community'.
The GSTAC CORE team currently has no power, because the power is held by the people, and with the GSTAC CORE team approach, assures that the power remains with the citizens of UNPC. That is the way it is and should be. There is no secret conspiracy like some might imagine, and the only thing to fear, is the status quo that could result if GSTAC fails.
I intend to support the GSTAC initiative, and I encourage all in UNPC to do so as well, or if not, to at least step back and give GSTAC a chance to see what it might achieve. If the principles the GSTAC CORE team have stated up front are adhered to, the citizens of UNPC will be the benefactors.
Respectfully,
Bob Dotson
San Tan Foothills (The Rurals)
Not in Queen Creek, Az 85242
Help me understand please. What I get from this is that currently they only represent themselves but in the future they will hold elections (at all levels?) and then be representatives to our area--then will they have a moral obiligation to adhere to some kind of what? Really trying to crasp what you are trying to say. Thank you.
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I own properties that are served by Johnson Utilities. I know you and Gordon don't like investors, but I am one of those. I am also a resident. My investment properties are all served by J.U. So, that qualifies me for all the districts I guess. Or aren't investors allowed to belong to your organization? There are bloggers on here that are investors also, today, but plan on building a residence in the future on that property they own. What label do you have for them, and what role do they play in this GSTAC?
I finally got a list of your members. For whatever reason, you have decided to keep it a secret, I will never understand. City Council members are all identified, including their means of contact. Sandie Smith? you can get ahold of her from a multitude of numbers, as she is always available. A strong asset of hers. So, why the secret? Why do people have to go thru you to get to their reps?
You're situation with your webmaster is not my problem....it's yours. You guys put the drama into it when you put it in the newspaper. Perhaps you should have been prepared, or postponed the announcement in the newspaper, until your site was built. Now, people are pretty much in the dark.....just where GSTAC wants them it looks like.
A utility provider's negative impact on the people you profess to serve, is not your concern, as a representative of GSTAC?
By the way; J.U. serves district one. There are many people out here in the rurals, that are served by J.U. And now, we have the sewer out here, thanks to the high school. So, you do have a responsibilty in my opinion, to be there for representation of these people who live in your district.
That only means you plan on picking and choosing what you want this organization to do on behalf of the people. Good to know.
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Bambi wrote:
This should be over on this topic, not where I put it in Postal....sorry.
"GS, the effected Districts' GSTAC representatives are working diligently on the right of way issues on behalf of effected residents"......Anne Reed.
Anne. Who are these "effected" District 8 GSTAC members? Your GSTAC web site lists no one. Are they Ghosts? Phantoms? Please put them on your website so the rest of the people in that district knows who is representing them and who to contact. It's your responsibility to inform the public what you are doing on their behalf....otherwise, don't do it. Nothing on your site explains anything except GSTAC's reason for existing. You should have something under the district 8 goings on. You come on here and post it. Why not post it on your site? You state your represent "a body of concerned citizens" Just who are they? And, I'm getting tired of reading that "White Paper" the site refers us to until it's up and running?
Anne: Come over to our side and work with us. You do have alot of energy and you do want to help the people. You're just following the wrong leader....you're the one who's taking the hits when in reality it should be your neighbor and close confidant.
I meet with channel 3 news today about the johnson folly. If they should ask me about what GSTAC is doing on our behalf about the Sewage spill, and the poisonous water, what would you like me to tell them? Please list all your involvements with the public so I can be accurate in what I tell them. Perhaps it's better if I just refer them to your site. http://www.ourgstac.com
By the way; they contacted me; I didn't contact them. I don't even watch 3.
Dear B:
Are you a customer of Johnson Utilities? I am not, and consequently don't have any standing to comment on the JU sewage spill, but thanks for the invitation. If you get the chance, you might mention that JU received it's original authorization to open Johnson Utilities, based on the signatures of District 1 citizens who signed his petition (CCN or CNN?) which documented our need for the utilities we still haven't received. Later, in a meeting, George Johnson promised to run the utility lines for CHRU3, and carry the cost of installing the meters to long term, under-advantaged residents. Had this promise been honored, the property values wouldn't be nearly as depressed as they are when prospective purchasers are faced with hauling water to operate their households. If property values weren't depressed many of these residents would have long since taken their mobiles and moved to "greener pastures". Everyone complains about "blight" but few are willing to take steps to correct it.
I've met one District Representative for District 8, she's young but sharp as a tack. The Castlegate HOA has been diligent in rousing neighbors to unite against Option 4 alignment of the 802. As they need our assistance, they will receive it. Until then, District 1 remains my primary concern.
I will be happy to assist "your side" with any issues pertaining to District 1.
Many of the suggestions you have made are in progress, don't forget, GSTAC is comprised of volunteers. Volunteers who still have to feed their families. It will take some time for this site to be fully implemented. In the meantime, I hope you'll register and make your suggestions about the website directly to our webmaster, I'll forward a copy of this post for her review and action.
Regards,
Anne
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Once again I agree with you Bambi, the GSTAC website is not the most informative website I've seen. Has it changed since day one? Seems like every time that I go there to be updated all I see is SOS.
GSTAC. Come on you guys! You profess to represent the people of the area. I think there is also a responsibility to inform as well. I realize that you are still in the process of putting the whole organization together but don't you think that if people knew what was going on and where you were at that they might be less hesitant, or more apt, to become involved?
just my 2 cents
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This should be over on this topic, not where I put it in Postal....sorry.
"GS, the effected Districts' GSTAC representatives are working diligently on the right of way issues on behalf of effected residents"......Anne Reed.
Anne. Who are these "effected" District 8 GSTAC members? Your GSTAC web site lists no one. Are they Ghosts? Phantoms? Please put them on your website so the rest of the people in that district knows who is representing them and who to contact. It's your responsibility to inform the public what you are doing on their behalf....otherwise, don't do it. Nothing on your site explains anything except GSTAC's reason for existing. You should have something under the district 8 goings on. You come on here and post it. Why not post it on your site? You state your represent "a body of concerned citizens" Just who are they? And, I'm getting tired of reading that "White Paper" the site refers us to until it's up and running?
Anne: Come over to our side and work with us. You do have alot of energy and you do want to help the people. You're just following the wrong leader....you're the one who's taking the hits when in reality it should be your neighbor and close confidant.
I meet with channel 3 news today about the johnson folly. If they should ask me about what GSTAC is doing on our behalf about the Sewage spill, and the poisonous water, what would you like me to tell them? Please list all your involvements with the public so I can be accurate in what I tell them. Perhaps it's better if I just refer them to your site. http://www.ourgstac.com
By the way; they contacted me; I didn't contact them. I don't even watch 3.
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While I am certain gsbills's heart is in the right place, I beg to differ. Queen Creek obviously is lobbying for a new post office
Queen Creek ainnt lobbying for a new post office. You guess at things and print them as facts. Shouldnt you be working on the BIG IMPORTANT ISSUES as an area rep. Kids are sick from the sewage spill and residents stand to loose homes due to the 802 route. Where are you on that?
Queen Creek is getting a bigger post office because the little one cant accommodate the entire region. The USPS makes the call not QC. Do not assume things and then put them into print. My point was QC asked for more help and was told the new building was all you're going to get
The activists in this area have learned long ago that Queen Creek is promoting it's own agenda and does not represent us or our interests. If they had their way, they'd annex all the commercial in this area, (so they can tax us without representation) and leave the 46,000 residents who bear their name out here to waste away.
What kind of BS is that Anne. You may get away with that crap on your side of the border but it aint flying over here. You just posted bulls**t. QC cant annex a darn thing w/o the request from the property owner.
What activists? The nut who makes all our meetings and has caused more trouble for QC and its inner workings than shes worth?
BTW..QC went to the press..In case you didnt read it or remember it..The head guy from the USPS was at one of our meetings to announce the bigger post office.
HE WAS ASKED TO DO MORE FOR THE ENTIRE AREA BY THE TOWN COUNCIL(that means you and your area too).
He said the new building was all you're getting. End of story.
Ya really want to fix the mail issue..Works towards a name for your area and get a post office to go with it.
If we can document the problem is widespread the Post Office will take action, they will have no choice.
Hahahaha! Thats already been done..You are a day(years really) late and a dollar short!Last edited on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 12:40 am by gsbill
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