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Posted: Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 06:49 am |
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Thank you. I will mind my manners.
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Posted: Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 06:43 am |
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Posted: Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 06:22 am |
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I apologize for the editorial "you'll" and the editorial "we will."
There has not been an attempt for guilt by association between Babeu and the school, sorry. Obama and Bill Ayers. There were some supporters that felt there was an unfair guilt by association between shown between them. Others started to ask questions about both of them. AFTER looking into the two and their pasts, the finding of facts and circumstances started to become better known. Result: They deserved the guilt by association label and more. Maybe no one should have asked. No one was being juvenile, no one was slinging dirt.
My postings referred to the DeSisto school. The candidate brought it up, not me. Some people think his time at the school could to be looked into. I hope it was a stellar era for him and the school as his military record reflects reflects many honorable accomplishments in that era of his life. There is no trashing here and any discussion and inquiry is being challenged by you. It seems you have a personal bias appearing to shadow your opinion. As a parent aware of special situations, you have ownership in that awareness and the right to your opinions. That is not what these comments have been about. Maybe no one should have asked.
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Posted: Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 05:11 am |
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Tuesday, you'll have your Sheriff-elect and we will shrug our shoulders
another statement with no facts to back it up. You don't know who I voted for and why, but you assume that it was for someone, but you just don't know.
And NO! You are not just asking questions about the school, you were very clearly attampting to create guilt by association. Tha's a juvenile tactic and the same thing that you have done since you started posting here. You assume that I voted for Paul Babeu put that's just a wild a** guess because I dare to question your pathetic dirt slinging party. You apparently have a personal issue with the man and have taken it to the blogs.
If you were treating Sheriff Vasqeuz the same way I would still call you pathetic and an angry child! Sheriff Vasquez has done a great deal for this county and I hold him in the highest esteem, but listen, see if you can get this. This is the political system that we have right now and it is anyones right to campaign for office if they think they can do a better job.
So far you have shown NOTHING of any real issue, a lot of guilt by association, a lot of spin etc. NOw if you had something of substance like domestic violence, past criminal record or something that would be a disqualifier then you might be worth listening to, but so far you two sound like a couple of school kids gossping about the teacher
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Posted: Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 04:45 am |
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Truth,
Thank you. You've made my point.
Bryan
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Posted: Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 04:43 am |
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| You are reading into what I posted because your vision is clouded. You do not know me and have no idea what I do for a living. It would never be political because it brings out the worst in people, yourself included.
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Posted: Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 02:43 am |
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gk, try the web site PAULBABEU.COM. A real web site started by Babeu (he started it, he named it), not a spoof like CHRISVASQUEZFORSHERIFF.COM. It really bites when a site designer wants the money he is owed and the web site just won't go away. That guy is probably part of the dirt slinging conspiracy too. No, just a business man that (undoubtedly unintentionally) got stiffed.
The list of links to information about DeSisto are dirt slinging? No one here is faulting the school or his running it. We are trying to find out if there were problems relating to him as that does relate to part of the job he is trying for.
Texting in Kearny? It sure wasn't to order pizza, the local place was closed for the night by then. He looked like Obama when he lost power to his teleprompter during a speech.
We'll be your token children for the night. It'll take the heat off from the apologists that are have been so busy recently on the Tribune blogs. It's hard for those of us who don't have either a blue or a yellow campaign T-shirt. It's hard when you can't ask questions about things the candidates have brought up, not us.
Tuesday, you'll have your Sheriff-elect and we will shrug our shoulders, scratch our heads, and sigh, "all we did was ask a question or two." Open elections are great when the people get WHO they want. Sometimes there can be a little buyer's remorse when they find out WHAT they got with who they got.
gk, enjoy and be proud of any surprises.
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Posted: Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 02:42 am |
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Truth,
Gk has a point. There is no doubt that you and your partners have decided that you will do anything to keep Babeu out of office. Do you honestly believe the county's law enforcement will collapse if Sheriff Vasquez is not at the helm? Are you interested in protecting the community or has a passionate dedication to Sheriff Vasquez clouded your focus?
I believe you are a man/woman of honor. Your proclaimed background tells us that. But, when this is done, will you look at your actions as honorable or with a level of embarrassment? No matter who wins, you will have to live with your actions. Is this an honorable way to conduct a campaign?
I received a tremendous amount of disappointment from my friends and the public during the Primary Election when I sent out a side-by-side piece with Todd House. Although factual, it did not paint Todd (my opponent) in a favorable manner. For that action I have apologized to both Todd and many of those who approached me. I believe most would agree that I learned from the input.
The path you've chosen is not honorable. The level of respect you may have once earned is being lost with every "anonymous" post on this blog and every email/letter to the editor.
The sad thing is, you've brought this on yourself. Chris Vasquez would never ask anyone to betray their honor for his sake. I hope it was worth it.
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Posted: Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 02:24 am |
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| Did I hit a sore spot and you found it necessary to use my words? This is the first time in my life and I am 49 that I have decided to vote against my party. I always vote straight Republican, can't do than now. He and his goons have split this county with their bull.
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Posted: Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 01:38 am |
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you entered this website with no history, and yet the only thing that you have offered is the dirt slinging at a Republican candidate. This seems to be par for the course with the liberal goon squads. I see no difference here.
You claim that the problems facing the school that he was administator of was his fault, but you know nothing about the board of directors, the state school boards or the owners. That is a lot of assumption on your part, and is the average of the Liberal goon squads.
From what you two have offered that is the only conclusion that can be drawn. Give Sheriff Vasquez credit where credit is due and stop making the race so nasty.
and above all.....Grow up a little and stop using such childish remarks.
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Posted: Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 12:17 am |
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| Nobody is trashing Babeu we are just stating the facts. He has trashed the Sheriff since his web site went up. Have you been to any of the forums? Have you seen Paul point his finger in the Sheriff's face. How much respect is that? Were you at the forum in Kerney? He was so interested in what was going on he was texting someone. Only a few of us could see under the cloths on the tables, when he was not talking he was busy texting people. I do not consider that professional. I am sick and tired of him acting like he came to Pinal county to save us. He ran his campaign dirty from the beginning and now that things are being brought to lite about him he is all up in arms and crying. Get real look at his web site and see what he states as his past experience and then check it out and find out he does not tell the truth by elimination. He could be a good Candida at some point in his career when he gains the proper experience. If you think there are problems at the Sheriff's office now wait, if he gets elected people are in for a real shock. Leave us to opinion, we are not trashing your opinion. Grow up a little and stop using such childish remarks.
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Posted: Sun Nov 2nd, 2008 09:01 pm |
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Sorry, twenty minutes
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Posted: Sun Nov 2nd, 2008 08:52 pm |
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gk, you are good. Read all of the material in the links in ten minutes.
I will e-mail my friends and relatives I have been regularly forwarding your other materials to during these troubling times. Again, that stuff is good.
I will ask them to erase, shred, toss out, what ever is an appropriate disposal method, because it has been determined that I am a liberal, pathetic and am sitting here digging up dirt.
I am sorry you didn't consider the facts (and opinions) that have been presented. Apparently they weren't worthy ones. For that, I am sorry.
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Posted: Sun Nov 2nd, 2008 08:32 pm |
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Now pay attention here.....I do not bash Sheriff Vasquez. His qualifications and his merits stand alone to defend him. But the two of you, the bash the opponant twins, just sit at home and try and dig up dirt. You are nothing but pathetic.
Obviously you know nothing at all about the school situation but are trying to make the issue into a great failure. (again no knowledge)
You could use your time to much better advantage by extolling the virtues of the current Sheriff. Bu instead you just follow along the road of the Liberal death squads and the Liberal character assassinations. No wonder Liberal is a dirty word in my household, it's people like you.
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Posted: Sun Nov 2nd, 2008 08:22 pm |
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gk, your material on your other forums is well-studied and documented. There is a lot of denial and some folks wonder what you are talking about. It is serious stuff that they should be talking about and they should be doing something about. But that is the material on your other forums.
A significant part of a career was actually running a private school. Some of the students were troubled souls, some of the inmates at Pinal are troubled souls. Some in the Pinal jail are unconvicted individuals being held for trial. All of the inmates deserve fair treatment. Did DeSisto School provide fair treatment for all students during the Babeu era? That is all we are asking. Unique techniques and philosphy are not excused because it was a private school. Desisto School fought lincensure by the state (based on their special student base) and lost. The school's practices have been criticized in state courts (not in blogs and forums). There are a few concerns to be addressed about the school during his leadership. The DeSisto era of his life experience (threee years) is "missing" details. Senator Obama has many years that are "missing" details in his life experience. We will be having regular surprises for years to come with that guy. Political party doesn't matter. Disclosure to the votes does. Paul appears to be a nice and sincere person but...
Here are a "few" links for material on DeSisto School. Some are not favorable, some are.
reference,com on Desisto School
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/DeSisto_School
Court case involving the earlier DeSisto sagas. Michael DeSisto was there when this case happened; he was there when Babeu ran the shop. If you try this link, a Superior Court case, and search the document for "DeSisto", there are troubling findings by the court about the Desisto school and staff and its psychological techniques and practices. Interesting reading about stuff Paul won't talk about.
http://www.fmsfonline.org/Hungerford-decision.html
Two articles about the closing of the school in 2004:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2004/04/13/special_needs_school_rapped_by_state_plans_to_close/
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http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2004/02/23/serious_risks_cited_at_school_for_teens/
scroll/search down for "desisto" and read about a top GM attorney sending his son to DeSisto (balanced and interesting).
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1990/01/01/72933/index.htm
psychologist journal report on the closing
http://www.masspsy.com/leading/0406_ne_desisto.htmlLast paragraph from the report: Donna Rheaume, spokesperson for the Executive Office of Health and Human Services states that "DeSisto voluntarily decided to close for financial reasons and move their program to Mexico. Their attempt to blame OCCS for the school's failure to operate a safe and fiscally sound program is disappointing. However, it's typical of their approach not to take responsibility for their own actions and blame others for the school's problems."
an investigation into staff abuses
http://www.nepsy.com/leading/0404_ne_desisto.html
short article on two workers accused of abuse (can't link to the full article)
http://www.teenliberty.org/BostonGlobe.htm
cult education forum blog on DeSisto
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?8,30232,40590
the court case where someone swallows the razor blade piece
http://www.ctd.uscourts.gov/Opinions/080205,WIG.DM.pdf
survivor blog (not so balanced nor interesting)
http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4096&start=0
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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4096&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=30
fornitswikicopy site (well sourced on DeSisto)
http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/fornitswiki/index.php/DeSisto_School
NY Times (favorable writeup at death of Michael Desisto and the arts)
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/11/arts/theater/11DESI.html?ex=1225598400&en=342ca5835f82557a&ei=5070
local paper about Paul taking over DeSisto
http://extras.berkshireeagle.com/NeBe/celebrate/n42k.htm
December 31, 1999
By D.R. Bahlman
Berkshire Eagle StaffSaying that he wants "the freedom to do more things," A. Michael DeSisto resigned his post as headmaster of the school he founded in 1978 with the mission of helping troubled, bright teen-agers in a boarding school setting in Stockbridge. Paul R. Babeu, a former North Adams city councilor and Berkshire County commissioner, succeeded DeSisto, who will continue to remain closely involved with the school and will keep his title as executive director.
The new book "Crazy School" (based on DeSisto School) is reviewed at Barnes and Noble
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Crazy-School/Cornelia-Read/e/9781410405517
scroll/search down for DeSisto, the article about the school in Mexico
http://warrenhardy.com/news/articles_san_miguel_institution.php
That's all for now.
Vasquez? How have you run the jail? How will you run the jail?
Babeu? How did you run the school? How will you run the jail?
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Posted: Sun Nov 2nd, 2008 07:52 pm |
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His point may be that Babeu was the headmaster and executive director of a private school (charged $65,000 a year for tuition; had a staff of 80, for 80 students). Special needs (some called them gifted) students. If Babeu is complaining about how Vasquez runs a jail, and that seems to be a fair question to keep bringing up, then why should we not ask: WHAT qualified Babeu to run this special private school (any background or education in this area)? HOW did the school do under his administration? WHY did the school eventually go out of business? It wasn't DeSisto's death; more for compliance issues and court cases. Go ahead and rip Vasquez on running the jail and the things that have happened there. Fair target. Babeu ran his "institution" for as many years as Vasquez has run the jail. Babeu and his era at DDeSisto - another fair target. 'Just want the truth' tried with a few facts and you weren't happy. Give us a minute or two and we'll find another fact or two for you to either deny or ignore. The only thing that was being presented is that the school had problems. Big problems, up to the day it closed. Facts. State investigations. Court cases. Industry evaluations. Parent and student complaints (these would be expected to be biased, for and against the school). Babeu mentions it three times in his website. There is one full page on his site just for his time at the school. By the way, it cost less to go to Harvard than DeSisto. As a voter, I would like to know how he will run a jail. We can learn something about that by learning how he ran the school.
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Posted: Sun Nov 2nd, 2008 06:05 am |
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the facts speak for themselves So what are these facts that you are talking about?
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Posted: Sun Nov 2nd, 2008 06:03 am |
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| the facts speak for themselves
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Posted: Sun Nov 2nd, 2008 06:01 am |
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So what exactly is your point here?
Private schools for troubled kids have always faced substantial hurdles to overcome. This is nothing at all new to the private schools. My wife is a teacher for Mesa Public Schools and for their troubled students program The problems that they face are not regular school problems.
My wife and I met while working for a privare school for emotionally and mentally handicapped children. Like nearly all of them they were phased out and the reqirements were extremely heavy.
It would do you well to know at least a little something about the stuff that you post. Obviously you have NO understanding of this area.
Instead of slinging dirt and slime how about posting Sheriff Vasquez accomplishments and his strong points. Those will stand on their own and do more for his campaign than just talking nasty about the other guy. The sheriff has a long history of acheivements and you do him a disservice by only attacking the other guy.
"just want the truth"? No....... just want to sling dirt. How pathetic
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Former Head of DeSisto Hopes to be Sheriff in Arizona
Survivors of DeSisto School MSN Group
DeSisto School Closing in Mass. - Sending Students to Mexico
DeSisto May Reopen in Vermont
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