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pipeman
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Posted: Sat Aug 22nd, 2009 05:41 am |
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bobdotson wrote: Interior Secretary calls for dialog in Superior land swap plan
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/305885.php
Interior Secretary tours proposed Ariz. mine site
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/08/21/business-financial-impact-us-interior-secretary-arizona_6804816.html
You do man Bob. Thanks for the updates.
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bobdotson
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Posted: Sat Aug 22nd, 2009 01:34 am |
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Interior Secretary calls for dialog in Superior land swap plan
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/305885.php
Interior Secretary tours proposed Ariz. mine site
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/08/21/business-financial-impact-us-interior-secretary-arizona_6804816.html
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bobdotson
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Key visit for huge mine site Interior secretary coming to Superior for look at proposed land exchange
(read the entire detailed article at:
http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/305104
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Lovethisarea wrote: So this won't be a strip mine? I am just wondering if the area on the East side of the QC tunnel will be damaged. I love that area.... absolutely beautiful when it rains... waterfalls everywhere!
Nope. Not a strip mine. All mining will be done underground and they have taken major steps to protect the environment. Even the "unusable" black, waste product from this mining process is sold to hotels, resorts, etc and is the black stuff you see in large, commercial ashtrays...
They've got my vote!
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This should also shed some light on this subject:
http://www.goldcanyontoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=458&Itemid=71
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http://www.resolutioncopper.com/res/mediacenter/David-Salisbury-Testimony.pdf
Excerpts:
Accordingly, this land exchange will result in very significant net gains to the United States in: 1) river bottoms and riparian lands; 2) habitat, or potential habitat, for threatened, endangered and sensitive species; 3) public recreational opportunities; 4) habitat for innumerable species of flora and fauna; 5) important bird areas; and 6) year-round water resources - a rarity in many parts of Arizona. In light of this, we believe the exceptional quality and quantity of the non-federal lands that will be conveyed into Federal ownership more than off-set any expected surface impacts to the lands acquired by Resolution Copper.
…The total economic impact of the 66 year project on the State of Arizona, including the additional development of residential, commercial, and industrial land in Superior, is estimated to be $46.4 billion. During the peak years of mine projection, the annual economic contribution of the mine itself is estimated to be $536.6 million. If the additional development of residential, commercial and industrial land is considered, the peak annual economic contribution to the State is projected to be $798.2 million. For a comparative perspective, studies have estimated the economic impact of an NFL Super Bowl type event to be approximately between $250 million and $500 million. In terms of fiscal impacts, the project is estimated to generate total federal, state, county, and local tax revenue in excess of $10.7 billion. It is important to understand that all of the fiscal and economic impacts were based on the assumption that copper is priced at $1.30 per pound (which was based on the long term price as calculated by the Arizona Department of Revenue). Today, copper is trading at about $2.20 per pound, so the assumptions in this study are very conservative and the economic benefits to both the U. S. and Arizona could be greater.
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Bambi wrote: bobdotson wrote: Mine deal a detriment to future generations
An opinion piece by Wendsler Nosie - Aug. 4, 2009 12:00 AM
Special for the Republic
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/2009/08/03/20090803nosie04.html
So what's your position on this Bob?
The article is against Resolution Copper. I found these 3 paragraphs reason enough to question this "mine deal."
"Resolution is a foreign-owned limited liability corporation, a joint venture of the world's largest mining conglomerates, Rio Tinto and BHP. The land exchange is one more example of pandering to special interests without checks and balances."
It also circumvents the Clean Water Act, the National Historic Preservation Act, the Endangered Species Act, the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act, the Archaeological Resources Protection Act and the American Indian Religious Freedom Act.
Resolution could simply walk away from hundreds of millions, if not billions, of dollars in environmental and infrastructure damages. Resolution also will benefit from a $7 billion bailout by avoiding royalties proposed by Sen. Bingaman - a windfall at the expense of the public
this is a knee jerk reaction to an editorial.
an llc outside of the US and an llc based within the US are the same(limited liability corporation).
there is a need to seperate national historic preservation act, native american graves protection, the repatriation act and the indian religious freed act from clean water, swpp and air quality. don''t let concern for the enviornment be twisted into a minority pc topic.
this is a negative example of how concern for the environment is twisted into someone's personal/pc agenda.
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Posted: Tue Aug 4th, 2009 05:38 pm |
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bobdotson wrote: Mine deal a detriment to future generations
An opinion piece by Wendsler Nosie - Aug. 4, 2009 12:00 AM
Special for the Republic
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/2009/08/03/20090803nosie04.html
So what's your position on this Bob?
The article is against Resolution Copper. I found these 3 paragraphs reason enough to question this "mine deal."
"Resolution is a foreign-owned limited liability corporation, a joint venture of the world's largest mining conglomerates, Rio Tinto and BHP. The land exchange is one more example of pandering to special interests without checks and balances."
It also circumvents the Clean Water Act, the National Historic Preservation Act, the Endangered Species Act, the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act, the Archaeological Resources Protection Act and the American Indian Religious Freedom Act.
Resolution could simply walk away from hundreds of millions, if not billions, of dollars in environmental and infrastructure damages. Resolution also will benefit from a $7 billion bailout by avoiding royalties proposed by Sen. Bingaman - a windfall at the expense of the public
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bobdotson
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Mine deal a detriment to future generations
An opinion piece by Wendsler Nosie - Aug. 4, 2009 12:00 AM
Special for the Republic
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/2009/08/03/20090803nosie04.html
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pipeman wrote: June 18, 2009
Obama Admin, McCain Spar Over Ariz. Copper Mine Bill
By PATRICK REIS, Greenwire
The Obama administration yesterday said it could not endorse legislation that would make way for a copper mine in an Arizona national forest, reversing the Bush administration's support of the bill and outraging its Republican sponsors in the Senate.
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The proposed mine could meet up to one-fifth of the nation's copper demand, Kyl said. Copper, he noted, is an important raw material in "green" technologies -- a hybrid car requires twice as much copper as a conventional autos and a single wind turbine requires one ton.
Mother of God. We are in so much trouble from this administration. The guy is a puppet, a feather in the political wind. I pray McCain and Kyl keep the faith.
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| maybe arizona repubs can trade a few horses on healthcare debate? It may induce copper smiles!
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June 18, 2009
Obama Admin, McCain Spar Over Ariz. Copper Mine Bill
By PATRICK REIS, Greenwire
The Obama administration yesterday said it could not endorse legislation that would make way for a copper mine in an Arizona national forest, reversing the Bush administration's support of the bill and outraging its Republican sponsors in the Senate.
Forest Service Deputy Chief Joel Holtrop told the Senate Public Lands and Forests Subcommittee that the administration has serious concerns about S. 409 (pdf), a proposed land swap which would allow Resolution Copper to build a mine on a piece of Arizona's Tonto National Forest in exchange for private lands. He said the administration had not finalized its opinion on the bill but would do so within weeks.
While speaking on behalf of the Bush administration, Holtrop had twice expressed support for the exchange with only minor concerns.
The switch outraged Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), as did the call for more delays. "I've been around long enough to know how this works," he said. "They know that if they delay long enough, [Resolution Copper] will walk away. The people of Arizona, the country and the world will suffer."
He noted Resolution Copper -- which is owned by subsidiaries of mining giants Rio Tinto PLC and BHP-Billiton PLC -- has already spent more than $400 million studying the land and that its investors would not tolerate such expenditures without results indefinitely.
Without the administration's support, McCain said, passing the bill would by "virtually impossible."
The land exchange has been controversial since it was first promoted in the 109th Congress. Supporters say the private land offered in exchange is critical to protecting local ecology and history, while critics say Resolution is using low-value lands to buy an exemption from environmental reviews on areas that should remained protected as a national forest.
As currently written, Holtrop said, the bill would preclude the Forest Service from reviewing the land exchange under the National Environmental Policy Act, instead allowing only for review of the mining activities that followed the exchange. Holtrop said the NEPA review should precede the land exchange, which he acknowledged would exceed the one-year deadline set out by the bill.
"We anticipate that there will be considerable concern with any decision and there is a likelihood of administrative appeal and litigation," he said. Holtrop also questioned the value of some of the private lands Resolution is offering.
Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) the bill's co-sponsor, was also critical of the administration's position. Kyl had blocked an Obama Energy Department nominee in order to force the Energy and Natural Resources subcommittee to hold the hearing on S. 409.
The proposed mine could meet up to one-fifth of the nation's copper demand, Kyl said. Copper, he noted, is an important raw material in "green" technologies -- a hybrid car requires twice as much copper as a conventional autos and a single wind turbine requires one ton.
Energy and Natural Resources Chairman Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) said he had not yet reached a position on the bill. "That's not how I do business," Bingaman told E&E. "First, I need to talk to my colleagues."
Resolution President David Salisbury said his company needed to own the land because the regulatory uncertainty of working on public land was not compatible with a project that required a nearly $1 billion investment up front.
The land exchange has split Arizona's conservation community. Rosemary Shearer, executive director of the Superstition Area Land Trust, said her organization supports the bill. She said the copper development was inevitable, but Resolution had agreed to do it in the most environmentally friendly manner and while maintaining nearby sensitive lands.
Norman Cooeyate, governor of the Inter Tribal Council of Arizona, said the mine would cause irreversible destruction to sacred lands. "The proposed Resolution Mine will destroy this living place and its unique ecosystems," he said. "It will forever alter and damage the waters on the land, below the ground, and from the springs."
Copyright 2009 E&E Publishing. All Rights Reserved.
For more news on energy and the environment, visit http://www.greenwire.com.
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2 cents wrote: starleen, you're right on the mark.
LTA, from a previous post below, We'll mine the ore by using a technique known as panel caving, a form of block caving. Unlike an open pit mine, which involves extensive removal of the surface waste rock to access the ore body, this method accesses the ore from underneath through a series of shafts and tunnels. This technique minimizes waste rock. Waste rock that is generated will be used for reclaiming and restoring the adjacent site of the former Magma Mine.
This also,
The Discovery
Exploration from 2001 to 2003 led to the discovery of what may be one of the largest copper resources ever found in North America. The ore body rests more than a mile below the surface and initial tests reveal that it's of good quality.
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it will depend on the type of ore down there.
if it is copper sulfide ore, the rock is crushed and used in a floating technique, whcih seperates the copper.
If it is Copper oxide, suluric acid is used to leach through the removed rock. which helps seperate the ore. Some also use electricity using anode and cathode bars and the copper will stick to one end of which I don't remember and the other minerals will stick to the other, this is the junk that will be flushed down these pipes.There is over 2 billion gallons of contaminated warter sitting down there right now that needs to be removed. The older article if I remember correctly states, "although this water could be partially treated. Partially is a big word, where does the rest of the water go that wasn't treated? Down to us so our farmers can put it on their crops. If this water is supposed to be as safe as they say, then why don't they keep it up there or pump it into the river up there?
Hey if it can be proven that what comes down here is safe, then I say go for it. If it can't then I don't want it coming down here. There have been many farmers who have gotten burned from copper mines sending this water to them and their crops died and never could grow anything there agin.
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starleen, you're right on the mark.
LTA, from a previous post below, We'll mine the ore by using a technique known as panel caving, a form of block caving. Unlike an open pit mine, which involves extensive removal of the surface waste rock to access the ore body, this method accesses the ore from underneath through a series of shafts and tunnels. This technique minimizes waste rock. Waste rock that is generated will be used for reclaiming and restoring the adjacent site of the former Magma Mine.
This also,
The Discovery
Exploration from 2001 to 2003 led to the discovery of what may be one of the largest copper resources ever found in North America. The ore body rests more than a mile below the surface and initial tests reveal that it's of good quality.
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| So this won't be a strip mine? I am just wondering if the area on the East side of the QC tunnel will be damaged. I love that area.... absolutely beautiful when it rains... waterfalls everywhere!
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There was an argument on this forum about this subject a while back, and I did a whole bunch of research and posted it and shut up the protesters ( Anne) , and I can't find the trail now. Bottom line, the water coming down the pipe will be as good or better than the well water currently pumped. The minerals are there and need to be mined and Resolution Copper is jumping through every legal and social hoop to comply. The native Americans are just trying to leverage public opinion to get the best deal. RC is trading prime livelable acreage to them for this unlivelable land, and RC is even agreeing to preserve the rock climbing area for events, as if there aren't enought cliff faces in the state to satisfy the sport.
The area is smack dab in the middle of an existing mining area. The water is not from mine operations, it is from fill water following those operations. It's probably better quality than my well water is now! And then it will be treated an brought to the farm area to supplement well water and CAP. Bring it on, along with the jobs and the copper production.
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Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2009 04:06 am |
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This is treated water. How is it worse than water from the Salt River and other lakes that are full of sewage, motor oil, gasoline, and who knows what else from the humans recreating in, I mean, polluting it?
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Resolution Copper and the Environment > Water Management
Water Management
Managing Today's Excess Water to Ensure Future Availability
The Resolution Copper Project is located near Superior, Arizona. The large world-class copper resource lies more than 1.5 kilometres below the surface, adjacent to but deeper than an old mine that was closed in the mid-90s. To undertake further exploration and begin development of the mining site, almost seven billion litres of water that have naturally accumulated in the old mine need to be removed. (When water inflowing to the site is taken into consideration, the total amount of water that must be removed over the course of the dewatering process will be closer to nine billion litres.)
A water treatment facility has been constructed to prepare the water for discharge once it is pumped to the surface. Draining the old mine could take from two to three years, but the bigger challenge has been determining where the removed water should go once treated. Because this resource is so valuable to the arid Arizona landscape, we want to ensure that it's fully utilized and that the environment is not negatively impacted.
Resolution Copper is working with the New Magma Irrigation and Drainage District (NMIDD) to supply the extracted water for agricultural use in Arizona. A February 2009 article by William D. Baker, president and attorney, Ellis & Baker, P.C., which appeared in the Arizona Journal of Real Estate and Business, examines the merits of this unique approach. The project involves constructing a 27-mile pipeline to transport the water from Resolution Copper's treatment facility in Superior to Magma Junction. NMIDD will combine this water with Central Arizona Project (CAP) water for use by farmers in irrigating their crops. CAP delivers renewable water from the Colorado River by canal to central and southern Arizona so that surface water can be used instead of depleting groundwater for agricultural, municipal and industrial uses.
Our company is also working with the NMIDD and the Hohokam Irrigation and Drainage District to store water for processing the ore and cooling the mine in the future. In 2006, Resolution Copper began purchasing and 'banking' excess CAP water with the irrigation districts. We plan to continue this process as long as CAP has excess water available. To date, we have purchased enough water to meet approximately six years' worth of mining production requirements. In 2009, Resolution Copper will purchase nearly five years of production requirements. Because excess CAP water will not always be available for purchase, we are also exploring additional long-term sources of sustainable water to meet our future operational needs.
And there is a problem with farmers trying to save a buck?
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Apparently local area farmers in the Magma irrigation district are lining up for the Resolution treated water as it will be much cheaper than CAP water.
http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:Wlvbo8zHbWEJ:http://www.newszapforums.com/forum61/81452.html+%22queen+creek%22+de-watering&cd=20&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
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2 cents wrote: The Project
The Resolution Project
The Resolution Project is located roughly three miles east of Superior, Arizona. Here is a brief background on how the project started and where it's headed.
The Discovery
Exploration from 2001 to 2003 led to the discovery of what may be one of the largest copper resources ever found in North America. The ore body rests more than a mile below the surface and initial tests reveal that it's of good quality.
The Process
Mining projects are completed in stages, and our project is now in the "pre-feasibility" phase. The work scheduled for the next several years includes removing groundwater from the former Magma Mine and sinking an exploratory shaft to 7,000 feet below the surface. We must also prepare numerous studies to evaluate technical, legal and environmental issues and to ready our mining plan. To begin production by our target date of 2020, there's a tremendous amount of preparatory work to complete.
We'll mine the ore by using a technique known as panel caving, a form of block caving. Unlike an open pit mine, which involves extensive removal of the surface waste rock to access the ore body, this method accesses the ore from underneath through a series of shafts and tunnels. This technique minimizes waste rock. Waste rock that is generated will be used for reclaiming and restoring the adjacent site of the former Magma Mine.
The Result
All of Arizona will benefit from the taxes and jobs created by the Resolution Project. Over the five decades of active production, 1,200 mine employees and 200 contract employees are expected to be working during peak operations. The mine will employ some people directly (direct jobs), employ others on contract (indirect jobs), and still others will be employed in industries unrelated to the mine but created simply because of its presence (induced jobs). Examples of induced jobs might be local retail or service business employment. Estimates that include these indirect and induced jobs at the mine site project employment of 2,603 people with $178.7 million in wages annually. Total direct, indirect and induced jobs in mining, industrial and commercial fields are estimated to account for a total of 5,808 jobs and $305 million in wages annually.
As the Resolution Project evolves, it benefits not only Superior, but the surrounding region as well. A 2008 third-party study conducted by Elliott D. Pollack and Company projected peak annual economic impact on the state of Arizona at $798.2 million, the equivalent of one and a half NFL Super Bowls a year, every year, over the 66-year life of the project. In terms of fiscal impact, the project is estimated to generate $10.7 billion through federal, state, county and local taxes. The study also estimated the total economic impact over the expected 66-year project life on the state of Arizona to be $46.4 billion.
The Resolution Project is helping to secure a better future for Arizona. See how the entire project will unfold and get an idea of where it stands now.
To learn more about Resolution Copper, visit http://www.resolutioncopper.com.
and we will suffer with all that water from the mining being piped down to our community.
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The Project
The Resolution Project
The Resolution Project is located roughly three miles east of Superior, Arizona. Here is a brief background on how the project started and where it's headed.
The Discovery
Exploration from 2001 to 2003 led to the discovery of what may be one of the largest copper resources ever found in North America. The ore body rests more than a mile below the surface and initial tests reveal that it's of good quality.
The Process
Mining projects are completed in stages, and our project is now in the "pre-feasibility" phase. The work scheduled for the next several years includes removing groundwater from the former Magma Mine and sinking an exploratory shaft to 7,000 feet below the surface. We must also prepare numerous studies to evaluate technical, legal and environmental issues and to ready our mining plan. To begin production by our target date of 2020, there's a tremendous amount of preparatory work to complete.
We'll mine the ore by using a technique known as panel caving, a form of block caving. Unlike an open pit mine, which involves extensive removal of the surface waste rock to access the ore body, this method accesses the ore from underneath through a series of shafts and tunnels. This technique minimizes waste rock. Waste rock that is generated will be used for reclaiming and restoring the adjacent site of the former Magma Mine.
The Result
All of Arizona will benefit from the taxes and jobs created by the Resolution Project. Over the five decades of active production, 1,200 mine employees and 200 contract employees are expected to be working during peak operations. The mine will employ some people directly (direct jobs), employ others on contract (indirect jobs), and still others will be employed in industries unrelated to the mine but created simply because of its presence (induced jobs). Examples of induced jobs might be local retail or service business employment. Estimates that include these indirect and induced jobs at the mine site project employment of 2,603 people with $178.7 million in wages annually. Total direct, indirect and induced jobs in mining, industrial and commercial fields are estimated to account for a total of 5,808 jobs and $305 million in wages annually.
As the Resolution Project evolves, it benefits not only Superior, but the surrounding region as well. A 2008 third-party study conducted by Elliott D. Pollack and Company projected peak annual economic impact on the state of Arizona at $798.2 million, the equivalent of one and a half NFL Super Bowls a year, every year, over the 66-year life of the project. In terms of fiscal impact, the project is estimated to generate $10.7 billion through federal, state, county and local taxes. The study also estimated the total economic impact over the expected 66-year project life on the state of Arizona to be $46.4 billion.
The Resolution Project is helping to secure a better future for Arizona. See how the entire project will unfold and get an idea of where it stands now.
To learn more about Resolution Copper, visit http://www.resolutioncopper.com.
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Is there a map of the area that may be mined? My stomach has been tied in a knot to think that they might destroy all of those gorgeous rock formations on the East side of the Queen Creek Tunnel. 
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Not in the article, is that Resolution Copper plans to de-water the mine to and discharge the treated water mixed with irrigation water for farms in the Queen Creek/UNPC area.
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/business/articles/2009/06/15/20090615biz-resolutioncopper0616.html
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