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Posted: Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 05:39 pm |
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So two things keeps bothering me...
1. There is a comment on one of the thousand articles that have come out since thursday of last week about someone who lives in the "rurals" fighting us, because we ruined their way of life. Honestly, we didn't build the houses out here or get the permits to build the houses out here, we just bought them...
2. Same thing with the county complaining about how much we cost opposed to how much we contribute... shouldn't they have figured all this out before they started handing out housing permits like halloween candy?
Just my humble opinion on this one.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 04:40 pm |
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This is what I received this a.m. in my email.
I have a problem with this process. GSTAC is behind this voting. They seek to stay County, and have Developers as their Leaders. Most of those developers have expressed they would rather stay County.
Therefore, I say that none of those votes overseen and counted by any GSTAC member are valid. Corporate and Private enterprize is governing a public vote? Thru their own website, which has not seen use since it started years ago? Not allowed in any Constitution I know of.
This is the verbiage in GSTAC's website:
Santan residents form advocacy group
Written by Lynh Bui The Arizona Republic
Thursday, 10 April 2008
Residents in the Santan area are taking another stab at gaining control over their destiny.
"Local business members, developers and residents have recently launched the Greater San Tan Area Coalition, an organization designed to advocate and develop a vision for the area."
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Invalid. If one is going to go the "legal" avenue of voting, then it should be on an official ballot. Otherwise, just continue taking the votes from forums and emails and GSTAC. They are all unofficial and nothing can be proven concerning valid identity of the voters. This is just another stall tactic imo. Pick a name Bryan, and let's get on with it. We're adding hundreds of people to that population number everyday. We'll get to 100k soon, and will still be arguing over a name. You have the authority as an elected official....the only one imo, who has the authority to choose, without an official ballot vote. It's gotten to the place economically, that we can't continue in this mode, so someone with authority has to decide on our behalf what is best for the masses and the county. Othewise, it should go to a ballot imo.
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Hello!
Hope everyone had a great weekend and I want to thank each and every one of you that have helped to spread the word about this current issue and those of you that have voted. I would also like to thank those of you that helped to man the polling places Saturday morning and those of you that have volunteered to help at tonight’s meeting.
We still have today left and we need as many people in the entire area to come together, place their vote and be heard!
THIS NAME CHANGE IMPACTS THE UNINCORPORATED SECTION OF NORTHEASTERN PINAL COUNTY! ALL OF US WILL BE AFFECTED! This is not a housing development issue, an Ironwood issue, a Hunt Hwy corridor issue – this affects all of us and we MUST come together now with a common voice and be heard!
Online voting is still available at http://www.OurGSTAC.com – this will continue until 11:59pm TONIGHT!
REMEMBER – A community wide meeting will be taking place TONIGHT at 6:30pm at Circle Cross Ranch Elementary School (in the Circle Cross Ranch Housing Community off of Ironwood just south of the tracks). Supervisor Martyn was invited to speak at the meeting and he will be in attendance. There will be a short question/answer period and the reminder of the time will be to submit paper ballots. We must be out of the school by 9pm.
I am attaching the flyer created by Brian Boatman to this email. Feel free to make copies, post these in store windows, hand them out, you name it. Just get the word out.
Remember you can vote online at http://www.OurGSTAC.com or at the community meeting tonight.
I hope we have a full house and we can show our elected official, Supervisor Martyn, that our community will be heard!
LASTLY - if you have volunteered to help with the voting process tonight please be at Circle Cross Ranch no later than 6:00pm.
THANK YOU!!
Tisha
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Posted: Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 07:05 am |
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pipeman wrote: nybrian wrote: pipeman wrote: nybrian wrote: I'm also planning to vote as many times as possible to prove how completely stupid this process is. Mr Martyn, would you be willing to run for office under these same circumstances? You will be gone in a few years, but I'm planning on staying here for the next 40 years---I think taking our time to do this right is more important than rushing through this farce.
HUH? You were one of the most outspoken saying your voice wasn't heard and you wanted to vote on a name as that is one of the things you would require:
I have not been here for nearly as long as many of you, so I don't know nearly as much about the problems that have been faced in the past. But for me to support this I need 2 things.
1. A public vote on a name.
Well, you got the vote you asked for, yet here you are complaining about voting. Go figure.
I was dumb enough to assume that by me wanting a 'vote' that would actually mean going to a polling place, showing proof of residency, and filling out a ballot similar to the ballot I fill out every November. I assumed we in Pinal County were capable of holding an actual election without looking like a 3rd world entity. Oh well, I'm in 85242 so I'll be getting the status quo regardless.
So are you telling us that the chosen name wouild not be used in the area you reside?
I'll tell you how I think this will go:
I live in San Tan Heights, so I am in the Bella Vista area. The vote will affirm Martyn's choice of Bella Vista. As an 85142 resident I will continue to write Queen Creek as my address. Next year a vote on incorporation will take place. It will fail miserably. There will be a noticeable difference in the desireability of 85142 as compared to 85143, since most of 85142 is in Maricopa County. The people who are in Pinal 85142 will be happy to piggy-back on the Queen Creek name and their higher real estate values. Florence and the Town of Queen Creek slowly pick up additional 'tax producing' land, and we will stay unincorporated.
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nybrian wrote: pipeman wrote: nybrian wrote: I'm also planning to vote as many times as possible to prove how completely stupid this process is. Mr Martyn, would you be willing to run for office under these same circumstances? You will be gone in a few years, but I'm planning on staying here for the next 40 years---I think taking our time to do this right is more important than rushing through this farce.
HUH? You were one of the most outspoken saying your voice wasn't heard and you wanted to vote on a name as that is one of the things you would require:
I have not been here for nearly as long as many of you, so I don't know nearly as much about the problems that have been faced in the past. But for me to support this I need 2 things.
1. A public vote on a name.
Well, you got the vote you asked for, yet here you are complaining about voting. Go figure.
I was dumb enough to assume that by me wanting a 'vote' that would actually mean going to a polling place, showing proof of residency, and filling out a ballot similar to the ballot I fill out every November. I assumed we in Pinal County were capable of holding an actual election without looking like a 3rd world entity. Oh well, I'm in 85242 so I'll be getting the status quo regardless.
So are you telling us that the chosen name wouild not be used in the area you reside?
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Posted: Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 06:44 am |
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| FYI---most of the people who are against this process understand that we need to get a name for the area and seriously look at incorporation. I in the past have agreed with nearly everthing pipeman has said in regards to moving this area forward. My issue is with the current process, where a handful of people are making a decision for thousands. How hard would it have been to put this issue on the ballot in November, giving the community time to debate the issues? Should the winter visitors who own homes here be notified, or should they come home to a newly named community? This whole process is going to hamper incorporation in the long run---some people who have been steam-rolled will now vote against any further push out of spite, myself included.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 06:27 am |
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pipeman wrote: nybrian wrote: I'm also planning to vote as many times as possible to prove how completely stupid this process is. Mr Martyn, would you be willing to run for office under these same circumstances? You will be gone in a few years, but I'm planning on staying here for the next 40 years---I think taking our time to do this right is more important than rushing through this farce.
HUH? You were one of the most outspoken saying your voice wasn't heard and you wanted to vote on a name as that is one of the things you would require:
I have not been here for nearly as long as many of you, so I don't know nearly as much about the problems that have been faced in the past. But for me to support this I need 2 things.
1. A public vote on a name.
Well, you got the vote you asked for, yet here you are complaining about voting. Go figure.
I was dumb enough to assume that by me wanting a 'vote' that would actually mean going to a polling place, showing proof of residency, and filling out a ballot similar to the ballot I fill out every November. I assumed we in Pinal County were capable of holding an actual election without looking like a 3rd world entity. Oh well, I'm in 85242 so I'll be getting the status quo regardless.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 04:46 am |
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| go brian, go. we sheep are in your corner. baaahhh baaahhhh
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Bambi2 wrote:
We are all estimating and guessing at the magic number it will costs us to make this city happen and to sustain us.....and what we will get for our money that is different now as an unincorporated entity.
I was wondering if you could ask staff to crunch those numbers for us so we can stop guessing and base our positions on reality. That would be doing us a great service and would be much appreciated.
I am very interested in seeing what incorporation would get us that we are not getting now and what that would cost us. Maybe my cynicism is unfounded...
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Posted: Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 02:07 am |
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| You are my voice Bryan. swing away.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 01:03 am |
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Right on Bryan. You're the man.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 12:09 am |
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| Count me in too Bryan. Keep up the pace.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 11:52 pm |
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Bambi said:
"Many of your constituents on this common blog we share Supervisor Martyn, (me anyway) want you to know that we support your endeavors and are behind you thus far. You have my blessings with Bella Vista as the name for the zip code area designation, as well as for our future city. I prefer San Tan Foothills, but will go with the flow (majority). If consent is needed, consider this my consent to act on my behalf in this matter, and that of other family members you have met who reside out here."
- I'm with you Bambi! Bryan, you have my support!
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 11:32 pm |
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Last time I did that assertive shouting for a reason, cause or provocation, I was told to tone down my rhetoric.
I think I'll turn it up a notch instead.
Many of your constituents on this common blog we share Supervisor Martyn, (me anyway) want you to know that we support your endeavors and are behind you thus far. You have my blessings with Bella Vista as the name for the zip code area designation, as well as for our future city. I prefer San Tan Foothills, but will go with the flow (majority). If consent is needed, consider this my consent to act on my behalf in this matter, and that of other family members you have met who reside out here.
I would like to ask something of you.
We are all estimating and guessing at the magic number it will costs us to make this city happen and to sustain us.....and what we will get for our money that is different now as an unincorporated entity.
I was wondering if you could ask staff to crunch those numbers for us so we can stop guessing and base our positions on reality. That would be doing us a great service and would be much appreciated.
I think you know what we want and need in this city. Thank you.
I also was told that as an unicoporated entity, we are not eligible for grants. Don't know if that's true.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 10:25 pm |
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Living in Arizona wrote: Nobodys Fool wrote: nunya wrote: Nobodys Fool wrote: I've been watching this topic for years now, and you ain't any further along than you were years ago. Just talk, hoping someone else will do the job that needs to be done. Now that guy is even being stopped, and he's almost there.
Who says anything needs to be done?
Bryan is a politician and is looking to the next election. He wants to leave a mark that he can point to when he runs for whatever is next.
Another thing that bothers me is that he is shoving this down our throats but he doesn't live here.
The sprawl out here of 80,000 residents resulted from the haphazard and largely unregulated growth that occured here in 2005 and 06. Our leaders at that time said they "didn't see it coming." Now we have a strain placed upon us and our quality of life is at risk.
Some counties are not interested in taking on the responsibility for managing growth. Pinal's one of them.
You will have the opportunity to have another supervisor for this area soon. In the meantime, I feel we as a community should manage our own growth.
I believe that the definition of what needs to be developed, protected or enhanced, and how it's to be done, best resides with a local jurisdiction. A city governed by local residents.
This is the kind of talk that got us where we are today ,nowhere :
You will have the opportunity to have another supervisor for this area soon. In the meantime, I feel we as a community should manage our own growth.
Something needs to be done NOW. Folks said wait until Sandi Smith is gone then we'll get something going. Look where that has gotten us, 80,000 people and no one can agree to anything. They couldn't do it with 40,000 now 80,000. Do you think it is going to be easier with 90,000 or 100,000? I think not. Something need to be done now not in 2-3 years! To date Bryan is the only one to step up to the plate.
Shout it LIA, shout-it 
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 09:51 pm |
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I think all our points are valid....to ourselves and our causes as individuals. But now we have to come together with those points, and decide upon our future. It is only going to get worse, not better as new people move in without direction within the community. They tend to flounder. And notice.....we are still thought of as Johnson Ranch in QC.
Check out these opinions of the area that i found on a website, city data. When you have the problems that JU has had publicaly announced in the media, websites and the other negative issues regarding other entities that keep coming up in the newspaper, then you have a community problem imo. We need to survive and be comfortable as families should in a healthy community, with a minimum of risk to our lifestyles. That's out of control at this point in time, and the risk is only growing.
Look at the identity issues with QC in their blog. We will never be able to attract and draw industry with this confusion, which means we, as residents, still have to cover the County's growing expenses, which means raising taxes instead of allowing industry and commercial help pay our way to a comfortable and sustainable existance. We cannot sustain ourselves at this pace or in this present mode.
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4 posts, read Queen Creek in the Johnson Ranch area. Is anyone familiar with this area and what it is like? The homes look lovely, but I don't see anything with regards to shopping, etc.
Any feedback be it good or bad will be greatly appreciated.
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Hi...I'm still trying to get an answer from anyone who can give me some feedback on this area. We are thinking of moving to Queen Creek in the Johnson Ranch area. Is anyone familiar with this area and what it is like? The homes look lovely, but I don't see anything with regards to shopping, etc.
Any feedback be it good or bad will be greatly appreciated.Johnson Ranch: Nice homes. Good prices.
There is no closeby shopping at the moment - but, in the very near future, there will be some shopping south in Anthem. And, there is more shopping to come in Florence in the next few years.
The potential downside is the lack of easy road access. There is one way in, and one way out. AND, if there is an accident or some other problem, you are essentially locked in. Oh, you can go through Florence then out to I-10 and around but ....
Traffic is a NIGHTMARE for the time being. There are some plans to expand the road way (Hunt Highway) and add addition east west routes but, they are a ways in coming.
Hope this helps.
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1,084 posts, read Casa Grande, you would also have much easier access to them via SR287/SR87 which skirts around the south side. You're going to have a long drive for shopping other than groceries and gas for a while, but the drive to Casa Grande from there is an easy one and they have all the shopping (malls, outlet stores) you could want. Good luck.
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Hi...I'm still trying to get an answer from anyone who can give me some feedback on this area. We are thinking of moving to Queen Creek in the Johnson Ranch area. Is anyone familiar with this area and what it is like? The homes look lovely, but I don't see anything with regards to shopping, etc.
Any feedback be it good or bad will be greatly appreciated.
Cheers!
- Scottygirl, where will your job(s) be located?
- What are you looking for? New builds, resale, price range, etc.?
- How far are you willing to drive to a good shopping mall?
- Can you expect to stay in the home for at least 6 years?
Queen Creek is way out there, and it will be way out there for a long time.
There are fissure issues that you need to be aware of.
There are many homes on the market out there that will affect your ability if you end up having to sell soon. (That is true anywhere now, but in an area that is inundated with new housing it can be worse.)
Queen Creek may be perfect for you, but then again it may be a nightmare if you have to commute far, and like to go shopping at the big malls.
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108 posts, read Pinal County but even if it's a little more out this way I think it's worth it.
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Hi...I'm still trying to get an answer from anyone who can give me some feedback on this area. We are thinking of moving to Queen Creek in the Johnson Ranch area. Is anyone familiar with this area and what it is like? The homes look lovely, but I don't see anything with regards to shopping, etc.
Any feedback be it good or bad will be greatly appreciated.
Cheers!
it's way out in the middle of effin' nowhere! seriously, if it's for retirement, it's good, otherwise don't put yourself through the misery of driving down seemingly endless desert in a two lane road just to get to the 60 where the traffic is packed for another 25 miles to phoenix.
housing is nice and new. in fact, seen a 2200sqft home there for 125,000 on craiglist a couple days ago. it's not worth the ugly climate, scenery, and most of all, the drive.
just depends on the person of course. next to the johnson ranch area they have a new shopping center, with a american-chinese restaruant, mexican, jack in the box, fry's grocery, well fargo, a wal mart just down the road, and some other stuff. it's really isolated.
in AZ queen creek and maricopa town have similar housing projects, and both are very far.
also, i suggest you research fissures:
Story and video: Giant fissure opens up in Queen Creek | http://www.azstarnet.com ®
they are real. i contacted the AZ geology scientist in charge of the area a couple years ago, and they told me they have no idea where the next one will come up, just that one will. this is due to the ground water being sucked dry i guess. AZ is a desert, but people live here and want their front lawn green and pool like they live in St. Louis or something. not only that, two agents and an INS company have told me that your property is not covered by fissures. if true, and one opens up near you (or worse, on your property), kiss your equity goodbye and stand in the bankruptcy line if you lose your job and have to sell. also, you will have more scorpions out that way as it's less developed and of course the usual lovely black widow that is so common to AZ's Valley.
cheers!
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Nobodys Fool wrote:
The sprawl out here of 80,000 residents resulted from the haphazard and largely unregulated growth that occured here in 2005 and 06. Our leaders at that time said they "didn't see it coming." Now we have a strain placed upon us and our quality of life is at risk.
Some counties are not interested in taking on the responsibility for managing growth. Pinal's one of them.
You will have the opportunity to have another supervisor for this area soon. In the meantime, I feel we as a community should manage our own growth.
I believe that the definition of what needs to be developed, protected or enhanced, and how it's to be done, best resides with a local jurisdiction. A city governed by local residents.
I don't know, maybe I have low standards but I don't see things as being that bad out here. My only complaint with living here is commute times and a freeway from my front door to my employer would only help that a little. I used to get stuck in traffic but that hasn't happened in a long time. Things are leaps and bounds better than they were a few years ago. Oh, and a newsflash, people all over the country are dealing with congestion, etc.
I haven't heard anything from Bryan regarding traffic, road improvements, etc.
It seems people all over our country are looking to the government to fix everything for them and the government is more than happy to grow and stick their noses in anywhere we let them.
This area was unencorporated Pinal County when I bought my home and I thought that maybe some day it would become something else when the time was right but I don't see any urgent need for that now.
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Nobodys Fool wrote: nunya wrote: Nobodys Fool wrote: I've been watching this topic for years now, and you ain't any further along than you were years ago. Just talk, hoping someone else will do the job that needs to be done. Now that guy is even being stopped, and he's almost there.
Who says anything needs to be done?
Bryan is a politician and is looking to the next election. He wants to leave a mark that he can point to when he runs for whatever is next.
Another thing that bothers me is that he is shoving this down our throats but he doesn't live here.
The sprawl out here of 80,000 residents resulted from the haphazard and largely unregulated growth that occured here in 2005 and 06. Our leaders at that time said they "didn't see it coming." Now we have a strain placed upon us and our quality of life is at risk.
Some counties are not interested in taking on the responsibility for managing growth. Pinal's one of them.
You will have the opportunity to have another supervisor for this area soon. In the meantime, I feel we as a community should manage our own growth.
I believe that the definition of what needs to be developed, protected or enhanced, and how it's to be done, best resides with a local jurisdiction. A city governed by local residents.
This is the kind of talk that got us where we are today ,nowhere :
You will have the opportunity to have another supervisor for this area soon. In the meantime, I feel we as a community should manage our own growth.
Something needs to be done NOW. Folks said wait until Sandi Smith is gone then we'll get something going. Look where that has gotten us, 80,000 people and no one can agree to anything. They couldn't do it with 40,000 now 80,000. Do you think it is going to be easier with 90,000 or 100,000? I think not. Something need to be done now not in 2-3 years! To date Bryan is the only one to step up to the plate.
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nunya wrote: Nobodys Fool wrote: I've been watching this topic for years now, and you ain't any further along than you were years ago. Just talk, hoping someone else will do the job that needs to be done. Now that guy is even being stopped, and he's almost there.
Who says anything needs to be done?
Bryan is a politician and is looking to the next election. He wants to leave a mark that he can point to when he runs for whatever is next.
Another thing that bothers me is that he is shoving this down our throats but he doesn't live here.
The sprawl out here of 80,000 residents resulted from the haphazard and largely unregulated growth that occured here in 2005 and 06. Our leaders at that time said they "didn't see it coming." Now we have a strain placed upon us and our quality of life is at risk.
Some counties are not interested in taking on the responsibility for managing growth. Pinal's one of them.
You will have the opportunity to have another supervisor for this area soon. In the meantime, I feel we as a community should manage our own growth.
I believe that the definition of what needs to be developed, protected or enhanced, and how it's to be done, best resides with a local jurisdiction. A city governed by local residents.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 07:05 pm |
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Nobodys Fool wrote: I've been watching this topic for years now, and you ain't any further along than you were years ago. Just talk, hoping someone else will do the job that needs to be done. Now that guy is even being stopped, and he's almost there.
Who says anything needs to be done?
Bryan is a politician and is looking to the next election. He wants to leave a mark that he can point to when he runs for whatever is next.
Another thing that bothers me is that he is shoving this down our throats but he doesn't live here.
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Louise wrote: Obviously you voted for him. You elected him to represent you, not speak for you.
Do you let others put words in your mouth? So sad.
The public support is measured primarily by opinion polls, not actual elections or ballot issues.
Counties should use their current statutory authority fully to achieve community objectives.
So what is Bryan's or Pinal's current statutory authority? Not to speak for us or act on our behalf? Do we do that ourselves and usurp his authority?
He represents me. period. That includes decisions based on statutory authority.
More workshops? More meetings? More of our money spent to keep going over this issue again and again, only to be blocked time and again? We're out of time.
Let's get on with it now, or we'll lose this window of opportunity while we squabble about a name.
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Obviously you voted for him. You elected him to represent you, not speak for you.
Do you let others put words in your mouth? So sad.
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Yet again name calling. Everybody needs to just calm down. I am not talking down to you. If you feel that way it's your problem.
Bryan has made a decision without much input from the community.
As a County Supervisor he is to represent what the community wants to be relayed. He is NOT to make a decision for us. He needs to LISTEN.
Bryan has unilaterally made a decision that affects 80,000 people. This is not the last thing he is forcing on us. Incorporation will be next. Where will you be when you taxes go up 5-10% to pay for it? How will you feel then?
Do you always let others make decisions for you? If so, too bad for you.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 06:34 pm |
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OMG. Talk about being talked down to. Get off your high horse mam. Don't make yourself seem superior to us by coming on here with your angry rhetoric and demands. Leave your name calling off the agenda too (God). First you say Bryans cramming it down our throats, then you say to work with him. Is he workable? You state we don't have to change our name now. What name do we change? We don't have one to change. You sure don't make it sound like Bryan is workable after your experience you posted. Which is it?
I say we forget the whole thing cause GSTAC will control the outcome anyway. No one is going to come out and work for this....except GSTAC.
I've been watching this topic for years now, and you ain't any further along than you were years ago. Just talk, hoping someone else will do the job that needs to be done. Now that guy is even being stopped, and he's almost there.
What a farce.
I say get on with it and let the guy do his thing. Quit the blockade tactics. We elected him to speak for us, and that's what he's doing. Names are the least of our worries.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 06:13 pm |
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OMG - Why is this being crammed down our throats? And, Where, someone please show me, it says that anyone, individually, can make a decision on a name. Bryan Martyn states specifically for "me to make a ... decision"> Who the heck does he think he is? God?!!! He is saying one thing to us and then tells the press it's pretty much a done deal. I really resent how this whole thing has been handled.
He has NOT asked but TOLD everyone at any of these meetings that he has gone to that we will be called Bella Vista. I was at 2 separate meetings and he never once asked what we would like to be called.
I appreciate and have worked very hard to try to unite ALL of our communities for several years. However, there are some in other communities that say horrible things about particular subdivisions and how that hate this and that. Yet, they will say they want to unite. Really? Prove it. Leave your unjustified name calling at home, bring a reasonable suggestion to the table and, for all our sakes, volunteer without prejudice.
We do NOT have to change our name at this time. Would it be easier to do it in conjunction with the zip code change? Yes, but it is causing too much conflict and becoming a divisive topic.
Why don't we calm down, create a panel to work WITH Bryan and do this rationally.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 04:30 pm |
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pipeman wrote: pintail wrote: flipperdr wrote: I think it's a good thing that "do nothing" isn't an option.
doing nothing is an option.
yep it's an option, if we want to remain stagnant, remain behind the times and not prosper. That is an option you can keep. It is time to progress and move forward.
this issue is too important to backdoor it through someone's contact at the USPS, cram it through a ballot box at the Jungle Buffet or an online vote through a barely functioning website.
as we all know, this is a first step towards incorporation. incorporation will take a long time and a lot of money. it also has the real potential to be a very dirty and corrupt process. every developer and neighboring towns' politicians are watching this transition. we need this to be a legitimate consensus so we avoid the brother-in-law/nepotism hierarchy that strangles our neighbors to the east while avoiding rigidity that eliminates growth like our neighbors to the north.
keep in mind that real growth is not a new neighborhood or a web-based business. It is the infastructure (roads, power, water and natural gas) to support manufacturing, it is eminities that house business travelers during the week and visiting families during the weekend and the right regulations and fees that promote growth.
pipeman, you are correct that it is time to move forward but we can not leap 3 steps forward by July 1.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 03:35 pm |
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pintail wrote: flipperdr wrote: Incorporation of a community will bring jobs, services and etc to this area.
Good tax incentives, a solid workforce, reasonable construction/occupancy/permitting fees and sensabile architure standards will bring good income jobs to this area.
Somehow, I managed to forget the most important part to bring jobs to this area, we will need a north/south corridor to the 60 or an east/west corridor to the 10.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 11:13 am |
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Bryan
Why is there such a rush to Incorporation? What is so pressing ?
Is there something going on down in the Legislature you are keeping from all these folks?
Why not have a advisory election ?
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 11:13 am |
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Bryan
Why is there such a rush to Incorporation? What is so pressing ?
Is there something going on down in the Legislature you are keeping from all these folks?
Why not have a advisory election ?
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 08:50 am |
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pintail wrote: flipperdr wrote: I think it's a good thing that "do nothing" isn't an option.
doing nothing is an option.
yep it's an option, if we want to remain stagnant, remain behind the times and not prosper. That is an option you can keep. It is time to progress and move forward.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 08:10 am |
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flipperdr wrote: I think it's a good thing that "do nothing" isn't an option.
doing nothing is an option.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 08:07 am |
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flipperdr wrote: Incorporation of a community will bring jobs, services and etc to this area.
Good tax incentives, a solid workforce, reasonable construction/occupancy/permitting fees and sensabile architure standards will bring good income jobs to this area.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 07:46 am |
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nybrian wrote: I'm also planning to vote as many times as possible to prove how completely stupid this process is. Mr Martyn, would you be willing to run for office under these same circumstances? You will be gone in a few years, but I'm planning on staying here for the next 40 years---I think taking our time to do this right is more important than rushing through this farce.
HUH? You were one of the most outspoken saying your voice wasn't heard and you wanted to vote on a name as that is one of the things you would require:
I have not been here for nearly as long as many of you, so I don't know nearly as much about the problems that have been faced in the past. But for me to support this I need 2 things.
1. A public vote on a name.
Well, you got the vote you asked for, yet here you are complaining about voting. Go figure.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 07:24 am |
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In my opinion, I think it's a good thing that "do nothing" isn't an option. The county wants to see progress on our behalf, we're costing them more than we're putting in. Just because they name the community something, doesn't meant it has to be incorporated with the same name...Although that makes the most sense.
From what I've read in the past there have been multiple attempts that went no where because of lack of organization and leadership, so I don't think this is something that is necessarily being rushed through, it's just actually taking place. Progress and development is a good thing. Incorporation of a community will bring jobs, services and etc to this area.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 07:23 am |
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pintail wrote: If consenus and clarity are part of the objective then we should get a list of names on a real ballot in a real selection process. I voted 3 times today.
Am I hoping that one of your votes is counted or am I hoping that all three are invalidated?
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 07:13 am |
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I think it's also apparent that "do nothing" is not an option in Bryan's mind.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 07:06 am |
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| I'm also planning to vote as many times as possible to prove how completely stupid this process is. Mr Martyn, would you be willing to run for office under these same circumstances? You will be gone in a few years, but I'm planning on staying here for the next 40 years---I think taking our time to do this right is more important than rushing through this farce.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 06:37 am |
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If consenus and clarity are part of the objective then we should get a list of names on a real ballot in a real selection process. I voted 3 times today.
The final objective behind the selection of a name for our area is a good thing and needs to happen, but it is too important of an issue to rush through a hap-hazard process.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 05:19 am |
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Bloggers,
Take a deep breath. You all know that by this Monday I will have had the opportunity to hear from literally thousands of citizens concerning the name change for the area. I'm truly fortunate to have the input of so many.
Tisha has asked to present a poll/vote in multiple formats for the community; online, at local stores, and at a town hall venue. She has solicited the input of citizens to generate a list of names that represent a cross section of the more than 100 submitted names. She has endeavored to keep the polling fair by trying to allow only one vote per person; ID required. (I really don't care about the ID requirement. This is not an official vote. But, I do understand her desire to keep this as fair as she can)
I think some negative vibes are forming around the idea that this is being passed as an official vote. This is not a vote. This is a poll. This is the gathering of public input. This is the canvasing of as many of the 80,000 citizens from as diverse an area of the 67 square mile community.
I am in full support of our citizen's efforts to provide the needed information for me to make an educated decision. In fact, there have been others in the community that have stepped up to try and get the word out. One in particular is http://www.corridor4.net.
If anyone here wants to gather input, bring it. If you've written me, you know I've replied to every email or called you personally. I'm not shy about defending my position. But, more importantly, I'm not afraid to change my mind if there is a better answer.
From the initial input I am receiving, Bella Vista may not be the best selection. That is fine with me. But, make no mistake, a decision will be made on Tuesday.
Here is the important part-
This decision will be made based upon the following factors:
#1 - Does the name UNIFY the community? I will not allow a section of the community to feel they are somehow either favored or unappreciated.
#2 - Is the name a COMPROMISE for the community? Is it popular enough to allow buy in from the community overall?
#3 - Is the name BRANDABLE? Will it bring businesses in? More importantly, will it not keep businesses away?
#4 - Is it legal based upon Arizona Revised Statute?
These factors will determine the name for this community. You will note that the most popular name may not meet all of these criteria.
Do not be dissuaded by GSTAC or any personality you generally distrust (myself included). This name will meet all four criteria and after Tuesday we will move forward as together we build one of Arizona's finest communities; a place where your grandkids will want to raise their kids.
Continue to provide input. I know most of you are ready to move on and I so appreciate the sentiment.
Hang in there! Keep challenging the system and continue to guide the argument/discussion.
Fellow Blogger,
Bryan
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