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| I think it has something to do with losing ones train of thought. Quite some time ago. Don't even see the tracks anymore. Woo-woooooooooo.
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flygad1 wrote:
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I am sorry for your loss. I lost both parents and felt there was some medical mismanagement. I can relate to it.
Even politicians have feelings Nurse politicians as well. We bleed when we are cut.
Elliott E Fisher
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First you reply with "Julie B
I am going to warn you this activity is going to cause a lawsuit . Cease these lies now .
Elliott E Fisher" and then minutes later post what I quoted above? 
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I am sorry for your loss. I lost both parents and felt there was some medical mismanagement. I can relate to it.
Even politicians have feelings Nurse politicians as well. We bleed when we are cut.
Elliott E Fisher
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Julie B
I am going to warn you this activity is going to cause a lawsuit . Cease these lies now .
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I know someone asked about voter data for San Tan Valley. Here is my best guess:
Rough Estimate taking the voter data from the last election, map of San Tan Valley, and eyeball of the Pinal County precinct map:
Nbr Precinct Dems Reps Other Count
26 JOHNSON RANCH 762 1,094 941 2,797
28 QUEEN CREEK 754 1,364 1,111 3,229
69 BELLA VISTA 664 941 936 2,541
70 COPPER BASIN 713 968 966 2,647
71 SCHNEPF 533 1,170 760 2,463
75 WALKER BUTTE 611 890 820 2,321
76 PECAN CREEK NORTH 612 1,164 900 2,676
85 SAN TAN HEIGHTS 684 910 899 2,493
86 CIRCLE CROSS RANCH 637 905 870 2,412
87 JOHNSON RANCH EAST 527 760 760 2,047
88 IRONWOOD CROSSING 537 831 715 2,083
Totals 7,034 10,997 9,678 27,709
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JulieB wrote: flygad1 wrote: What has getting elected got to do with these forums?
I have been active politically for 16 years win or lose .
Elected ? Just like the one tooth posey in Apache Junction some just don't have the intellegence I guess.
They attack Fisher ! No facts just Fisher is this Fisher is that he will never get elected !
Real productive !
Elliott E Fisher
Pinal County Independent
And commenting about people's teeth when they disagree with you IS productive? Are you kidding me?
You never answered my question--are you or are you not the same Elliot Fisher who worked as a hospice nurse in the Chicago area?
If so, I have a FACTUAL story about the kind of care you give.
Story please. The identity of Nurse Elliott has been well established, now please share the info. It is pertinent and germane to the discussion as he continually disparages elected officials based on what seems to be sour political grapes.
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Posted: Wed Aug 19th, 2009 04:32 pm |
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JulieB wrote: flygad1 wrote: What has getting elected got to do with these forums?
I have been active politically for 16 years win or lose .
Elected ? Just like the one tooth posey in Apache Junction some just don't have the intellegence I guess.
They attack Fisher ! No facts just Fisher is this Fisher is that he will never get elected !
Real productive !
Elliott E Fisher
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And commenting about people's teeth when they disagree with you IS productive? Are you kidding me?
You never answered my question--are you or are you not the same Elliot Fisher who worked as a hospice nurse in the Chicago area?
If so, I have a FACTUAL story about the kind of care you give.
you know it is Julie.
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flygad1 wrote: What has getting elected got to do with these forums?
I have been active politically for 16 years win or lose .
Elected ? Just like the one tooth posey in Apache Junction some just don't have the intellegence I guess.
They attack Fisher ! No facts just Fisher is this Fisher is that he will never get elected !
Real productive !
Elliott E Fisher
Pinal County Independent
And commenting about people's teeth when they disagree with you IS productive? Are you kidding me?
You never answered my question--are you or are you not the same Elliot Fisher who worked as a hospice nurse in the Chicago area?
If so, I have a FACTUAL story about the kind of care you give.
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14 freedom
Servants heart? 16 years asking for better transit , better enviroment , housing balance. honesty in Pinal Government.
I know of few that have gone public . Just rants from behind veil !
I plainly post my name here ! Just keep this in mind.
EF
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What has getting elected got to do with these forums?
I have been active politically for 16 years win or lose .
Elected ? Just like the one tooth posey in Apache Junction some just don't have the intellegence I guess.
They attack Fisher ! No facts just Fisher is this Fisher is that he will never get elected !
Real productive !
Elliott E Fisher
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pinalbooster wrote: You know something? Given Elliott Fisher's history in Apache Junction and all-around nuttiness, we all understand that he will never, ever, ever stand a chance of being elected to any office at all. I'm not suggesting he be banned from forums, but why not just ignore him completely? Don't respond. Just ignore.
your right. I am just new to this forum and getting to know folks. I understand.
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| You know something? Given Elliott Fisher's history in Apache Junction and all-around nuttiness, we all understand that he will never, ever, ever stand a chance of being elected to any office at all. I'm not suggesting he be banned from forums, but why not just ignore him completely? Don't respond. Just ignore.
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mr fisher,
Aristotle once said " to avoid critcism say nothing, do nothing, and be nothing.(taken from Dave Ramsey's Total Money Makeover introduction) If you are going to put yourself out there you must expect criticism. I would just encourage you to search your own mind to find the source of your motivation. Are you truely trying to serve your community? Do you have a servants heart? Remember sir it is difficult to argue a helpful idea or a sincere attempt to help-out. If I understand correctly your occupation is one of helping others. I sence your frustration and I get the impression you do want to help. Ok then just help. Put out your ideas and be prepared to defend them with benefits. I really doubt anyone would give you a hard time for putting out an idea rather than just putting out a criticism. Please take a deep breath and reflect. We are in this together, we dont all want the same things,thus the debate. Is that fair enough?
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How long would you put up with organized hate harrassment at your job and attempts by local police to bring Felony charges on you?
Welcome to my world!
Why ?
Political Aspirations ?
If pipeman and others want to play dirty so can I.
I have attempted a civil discourse but some are using hit squad tactics. Look at the posts see a pattern?
I will try to take your advice but they will never allow it. Just like they have ended call to the public in Apache Junction .
It is organized and hateful and has undertones of KKK tactics.
EF
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flygad1 wrote: Jan and Bryan sittin in a tree k-i-s-s-i-n-g first comes tax then comes collectors and the money wagon!
Elliott E Fisher
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mr. starliott you are not being productive with these type of comments. If your not part of the solution your part of the problem. This forum is an exchange of ideas not just comments. If you really want to be part of the solution how about some ideas on ways to deliver information to the people that live in this area that are not aware of what is coming. Maybe something like printing up some boundry maps and setting up a booth at Fry's or something. That would be part of the solution. Thank you for you consideration on this matter.Last edited on Sat Aug 22nd, 2009 01:17 am by 14freedom
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Jan and Bryan sittin in a tree k-i-s-s-i-n-g first comes tax then comes collectors and the money wagon!
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LOL
THE ONE TOOTH POSSY IS BACK TRYING TO STOP THE PINAL INDEPENDENT PARTY!
THE LITTLE TRAIN THAT CAN IS STILL GOING!
ELLIOTT E FISHER
PINAL COUNTY INDEPENDENT - THE REAL PARTY OF REFORM AND COMMON SENSE.
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http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/71161
A.J. political [highlight= #ffff88]gadfly runs afoul with law
Art Martori, Tribune
August 7, 2006 - 6:05AM
After four failed mayoral campaigns, (NOW 5 or 6) and countless initiative drives, Elliott Fisher crashed back into the public eye last week. Apache Junction police nabbed the 42-year-old [highlight= #ffff88]gadfly on July 21 after an altercation with a woman house-sitting for him and a car crash in which he collided with a motorcycle.
Fisher, a nurse and longtime political activist, was arrested on suspicion of making harassing phone calls, trespassing and for an outstanding warrant for failing to appear in court.
Fisher’s legal entanglement began when he went to visit Krysta Agerone, an Apache Junction woman, to confront her about money she owed him and to tell her to clean up the home where she was staying, which belongs to Fisher’s sister.
Agerone told police that Fisher harassed her over the phone, came to the residence and then forced his way in while swearing and screaming at her.
When Fisher saw that Agerone had called police, he took off in a 1980 Chevrolet pickup, according to police reports. About 30 minutes later, witnesses said they saw Fisher turn left into a motorcycle driven by Troy Dickerson, also of Apache Junction.
Two witnesses told police that Fisher struck Dickerson’s Harley-Davidson, and one of them noted that Dickerson “flew about 6 feet in the air, landing on his hand and head.” Dickerson was taken to the hospital for leg pain, but was later released.
The warrant for Fisher’s arrest was issued because he missed a court date in April over allegations that he had rented rooms without a business license. He claimed many people rent rooms without a license and accused the city of picking on him.
Fisher admitted the dispute with Agerone and that he was involved in the vehicle crash, but said the criminal charges are part of a larger conspiracy against him. He said the city is retaliating against him because of his outspoken criticism of government.
“I’m a political problem for them, and there’s an election coming,” he said. “They’re trying to get me out of the way.”
Fisher has campaigned for various city and county government offices. He lost a bid for mayor in 2004 to Doug Coleman. Later that year, he received only 4 percent of the vote when he ran for Pinal County supervisor.
Nonetheless, he’s been a regular at City Council meetings for years.
“Apache Junction and I have a long history,” he said.
Part of the problem, Fisher claims, is that one of the witnesses to his pickupmotorcycle collision was City Councilman Joseph Severs. Fisher said he thinks Severs is part of the conspiracy against him.
But Severs, who said he was riding a motorcycle behind Dickerson when the collision occurred, said he wished he hadn’t witnessed the crash — and now he’d probably get sued over it.
“I find it really strange that anything that happens to him is a conspiracy,” Severs said. “I just witnessed an accident. Being part of a conspiracy is absolutely absurd.”
Fears of a lawsuit might be well-founded. The Apache Junction City Attorney’s Office estimated last year that the spate of lawsuits Fisher has filed over the years has cost Apache Junction nearly $70,000. (NOW Much Higher!)
Fisher says filing lawsuits is the only way he can fight back.
“They know all about me,” he said. “They’re playing dumb and selectively enforcing the law.”
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Gold Canyon is doing quite well without incorporation!
Toll Roads are a bad idea!
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JumpingMad wrote: Represenatives are elected to do what the majority of the voters tells them that they want. Only someone who thinks they are "God" would think any other way.
Have you spoken with our supervisor? If you had, perhaps you would know he doesn't regard himself as "God". I thought the same thing until I actually had a conversation with him. He is actually interested in helping our area, instead of ignoring it like past supervisor(singular on purpose) did. We should engage in the process- some are trying to pull out their status quo pitchforks and storm the castle. I believe someone pointed out we are a representative republic- he is doing what he was elected to do- which is LEAD our area in a good direction.
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Welcome jumpingmad. Stay tuned.
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| Represenatives are elected to do what the majority of the voters tells them that they want. Only someone who thinks they are "God" would think any other way.
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| I can certainly appreciate your feelings about the name vote jumpingmad. The nameing still has to be approved by the state. you can still voice an opinion to your state rep,however, even more important are the votes to come next year when we decide whether or not to incorporate, then council members to be elected ect. I got in on this whole thing late too. Now it is up to us to spread the word and educate and inform your neighbors, friends and affiliates. Welcome to the party. I really appreciate all who engage and this seems to be a very good forum.
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| This was not a true representation of the majority of the residence in the area. Any final decisions concerning the name for the area should and will (If I have to take the matter to the state of appeal) be make by more than 1700 votes. What kind of a fool would think anything else should be done?
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JumpingMad wrote: I am confused. How can something be done when the majority of the 80,000 people said to be residing in the area encompased in the proposed San Tan Valley had no opportunity to vote on the "Proposed name or territory?"
Just because this media is here, this location is not an official notification of a proposed or otherwise change.
Someone better stop trying to control and start the leading process in the proper manor.
the opportunity to vote was given.
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I am confused. How can something be done when the majority of the 80,000 people said to be residing in the area encompased in the proposed San Tan Valley had no opportunity to vote on the "Proposed name or territory?"
Just because this media is here, this location is not an official notification of a proposed or otherwise change.
Someone better stop trying to control and start the leading process in the proper manor.
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14freedom wrote: My hope for our community, town,city is that the desisions that are made are not solely driven by future monetary values but rather by quality of living. I came here for the rural type of culture not to live in a giant H O A . I think less is better when it comes to government whether it is federal, state or county and city. I can see no benefit to incorporation, only another layer of government. We can be a successful community, attractive to business and to growth by developing and continuing a local culture of common respect for one neighbor to live in a manner that best suits them. Not one that suits someones elses vision of what will increase or "protect" property values. My home is where I live, not an investment. Money is not everything, freedom is. I came here to experience this local culture of living which was rich in freedom. I can only hope that this new San Tan Valley will continue with that type of culture what ever we as community members decide to do geopolitically. That was a mouth full. Thanks for the opportunity to be heard.
Sorry to disappoint, but it is time that people realize that the small town era is long gone. The world is growing and we need to grow with it. It does not matter what state you live in, or where you live in a state..... we have mass produced and continue to do so at rates that make your wishes and desires fruitless.
Sure you came here for the rural life style, but in turn I can say that I decided to come here because I seen what this area can become. We all cmae here for different reasons, yet me must all realize those reasons are ours and only ours and may not fit with what the majority wants.
Future monetary valuations dictates future quality of life. Sorry to put it so plainly. Yes, money makes the world go around my friend. Whether we become a city or not.. its all about the money, whether its the money we as a city makes and spends, or the money we pay into the county yet get nothing in return.
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| with government less is best. Money is not everything. Property values do not need protection at all cost. Unnatural growth is a ponzi scheme. keep it simple.
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| My hope for our community, town,city is that the desisions that are made are not solely driven by future monetary values but rather by quality of living. I came here for the rural type of culture not to live in a giant H O A . I think less is better when it comes to government whether it is federal, state or county and city. I can see no benefit to incorporation, only another layer of government. We can be a successful community, attractive to business and to growth by developing and continuing a local culture of common respect for one neighbor to live in a manner that best suits them. Not one that suits someones elses vision of what will increase or "protect" property values. My home is where I live, not an investment. Money is not everything, freedom is. I came here to experience this local culture of living which was rich in freedom. I can only hope that this new San Tan Valley will continue with that type of culture what ever we as community members decide to do geopolitically. That was a mouth full. Thanks for the opportunity to be heard.
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2 cents wrote:
Desert, do you know that the County gives the cities money? I'd really be interested in reading your facts. Thanks.
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Yes. Simple answer would be to reference the county's own "Where Do Your Tax Dollars Go?" document under Special Districts.Last edited on Sun Jul 19th, 2009 01:05 am by DesertSkyJedi
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Desert, do you know that the County gives the cities money? I'd really be interested in reading your facts. Thanks.
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flygad1 wrote:
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Be careful what you wish for when it comes to incorporation . I have sounded the alarm there is a Bill in the legislature that will allow cities to create the Toll Roads.
Incorporation is costly . Like I have said Gold Canyon rejected it and for good reason they see what happened in Apache Junction!
Not always the best approach . If there is Incorporporation it should be with a real charter with the ground rules spelled out.
Elliott E Fisher
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Totally agree. This isn't something that should be jumped into haphazardly, but it is what I believe we should do ASAP to be able to compete for business against towns like Queen Creek, who are already actively pursuing the tax revenues from businesses in our territory, no matter how rarely their residents patronize them. I know a good number of the businesses that opened up shop in the area did so with the notion that we would someday be either annexed by a municipality or incorporate ourselves. The sooner that happens the easier it will be to provide a place that businesses will want to go.
And then comes the issue of services. I'm not talking about welfare or public housing or anything outrageous like that. But it would be nice to have a public library, a police force completely dedicated to the area, a fire department, and city-regulated utilities. It's clear that many residents here in San Tan Valley aren't completely satisfied with services our HOA's and developers have been able to negotiate to bring in.
And the list goes on. Let's not be foolish about it with blind haste. Let's definitely learn from mistakes and successes of other towns. But let's also not waste any time doing it. As the politicians say, the economic slowdown "a crisis we shouldn't waste".
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Be careful what you wish for when it comes to incorporation . I have sounded the alarm there is a Bill in the legislature that will allow cities to create the Toll Roads.
Incorporation is costly . Like I have said Gold Canyon rejected it and for good reason they see what happened in Apache Junction!
Not always the best approach . If there is Incorporporation it should be with a real charter with the ground rules spelled out.
Elliott E Fisher
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flygad1 wrote:
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If you did not know all incorporated cities in arizona pay into State coffers and league of cities and towns would make sure they all would sponge off the system!
A real bad idea from any angle they approach it!
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I'm actually fine with that, as long as we, as a municipality would get to play the game as well. I'd prefer it to our situation now where I pay taxes to the blackhole that is a county which (understandably) hears the organized voices of incorporated cities like Florence, Casa Grande, Apache Junction, and Maricopa before the disjointed voices of us in unincorporated areas.
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If you did not know all incorporated cities in arizona pay into State coffers and league of cities and towns would make sure they all would sponge off the system!
A real bad idea from any angle they approach it!
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Bryan,
I commend your efforts to prmote your ideas and hope a advisory election will be allowed on the name and incorporation. I would propose late winter when more area voters will be likely to be energized and willing to participate.
Elliott Fisher
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pintail wrote: toll roads would be a fast way to get the necessary infrastructe to bring in business, not to mention speed up the travel time from hunt to hwy 60 or the 10.
turn over the land to a private company. have them pay for construction and maintenance with tolls regualted by a toll road authority. it could happen quick, much quicker than the govt doing it.
While I'm all in favor of privatizing as much as possible, I'd be against any toll system installed here. Tollway systems have too much potential to become a corrupt source of income for the government such as speed cameras have been clearly shown to be. You can install a private toll authority, but in the age of government taking over everything how long do you think it will take before that becomes a county or state-run cash cow that will be used as a "tax-revenue equalizer"?
The best bet would be to incorporate as soon as possible and have a municipality or multiple jurisdictions manage the road with tax money that residents can better keep track of and hold leaders accountable.
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YOU ALL SHOULD " GOOGLE " the words San Tan .....
We have a lot of establishments beginning with San Tan ...
SO they will all be around and about SAN TAN VALLEY, AZ 851??,
at the flatland raising up the San Tan Regional Mountain Park (so magnificent)
We also have Paradise Valley. Oro Valley, Chino Valley, Skull Valley, all in AZ.
It's a fitting name for OUR area.
So use your NEW ZIP CODE and San Tan Valley as your NEW MAILING ADDRESS ...
SO THE POST OFFICE CAN DO ITS JOB MORE EFFICIENTLY ...Kapeach
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Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 07:03 am |
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No I'm quite sure only you ADOT guys know that gig!
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Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 06:06 am |
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flygad1 wrote: FF
Again why are you calling me Nurse Elliott?
Are you a little paranoid? Must need some of the meds I give in the psych unit?
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must be doing the double dip.
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Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 06:01 am |
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FF
Again why are you calling me Nurse Elliott?
Are you a little paranoid? Must need some of the meds I give in the psych unit?
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Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 05:22 am |
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flygad1 wrote: Pintail
Have you lived in a state using transponders etc ? Do you know what these things start to cost . Do you want more government tracking of your life?
I can't believe in Arizona anybody would go for this scheme.
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Nurse Elliott,
Not EVERYTHING is a conspiracy (except to you).
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/71161
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Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 05:20 am |
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flygad1 wrote: Pintail
Have you lived in a state using transponders etc ? Do you know what these things start to cost . Do you want more government tracking of your life?
I can't believe in Arizona anybody would go for this scheme.
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yes i have. it was used fairly successfully in houston, actually 40 minutes from houston. along with the mass transit system it has helped alleviate huge traffic issues.
this area outside of houston 15 years ago was not unlike the area we are in now.
the goverment can track me all they want. i am not that intersting.
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pipeman
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Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 04:56 am |
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pintail wrote: toll roads would be a fast way to get the necessary infrastructe to bring in business, not to mention speed up the travel time from hunt to hwy 60 or the 10.
turn over the land to a private company. have them pay for construction and maintenance with tolls regualted by a toll road authority. it could happen quick, much quicker than the govt doing it.
right on pintail, major roads as this brings business. Don;t let the loose canon tell ya any different.
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