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You people are really getting desperate!
Now it is a high school thing ? My god how low can you morons go?
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2 cents wrote: Roche, glad to have you back. We won't have to post anymore, you've got it all covered. Thanks.
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| Roche, glad to have you back. We won't have to post anymore, you've got it all covered. Thanks.
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a godaddy search shows that santanvalley.com was registered for accbsi inc which is mybiznow. it was registed in 2007
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GSBill wrote: pintail wrote:
GSBill wrote: I think you all should chill until you have more info. I really doubt one individual can buy a domain name and then get am entire place to pick that name in hopes of turning a buck. There are other variations of San Tan Valley owned by other entities and individuals.
You are correct that is difficult for 1 person to alter the opinions of 1700. However, when you are the loudest opponent to "the process" and you attempt to represent an impartial view all credibility is lost when you have a finical benefit based on the outcome.
It is not a gray area.
There is no automatic or guarantee of any financial outcome. Lets say, just for the heck of it that the intent was to make money off a domain name. So what? Capitalism at work. There are actual businesses that gamble and buy up domain names ahead of the curve to make money. Its a l o n g stretch to think that the name San Tan Valley came about because one person wanted to turn a buck off a registered domain name. For that to work more people would have to be involved and for what? How much money is in this domain name thing? Perhaps I'm wrong...common sense just doesnt add up. I'm thinking Pinal's supervisor is way above such a silly association for peanuts.
GS,
I don't think it is too long of a stretch; I'm not stating any judgements or opinions. Is there proof that Ms. Castillo PERSONALLY owns the site? I agree, GS, that it is glorious capitalism at work but when one tries to promote political fairness in the name of capitalism the result is.....well, our Federal Government. We have to be careful of the intentions of the capitalist and their dealings with politics and government because capitalist-fascism is a real thing and I think we are living it now in our country. Otherwise, I pretty much agree that we should be casting accusations without proof.
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brennanbolger wrote: For those of you who may think that Trish Castillo saved you from an unwanted name change, you may want to consider that the reason she rallied to oppose the name Bella Vista was because she had a vested interest in the name San Tan Valley, which was ultimately chosen. The Castillo's business, MyBizNow.com just so happens to own the domain rights to santanvalley.com A coincidence - I think not!
Shortly after Pinal County Supervisor Bryan Martyn suggested Bella Vista as a name option, Castillo mounted a vigilent campaign against it and accused him of "shoving the name down resident's throats". While resident's looked at her as their savior for keeping them from being manipulated by a politician, it appears she was working behind the scenes to promote a name that would be beneficial to her - all under the guise of political correctness. Can residents say "used"? It seems so.
In addition to getting the name connected to a domain she has a vested interest in, she has set herself up as the area savior and has spoken about a political career. Hmmm, how serendipitous. This angel of mercy may not be so lilly white after all.
Brennan,
Can you prove this? If you can we have to get this out to the public and declare the "vote" a sham---like it was!! Especially if she runs for office.
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pipeman wrote: payattention71 wrote: I find it interesting the Supervisor Martyn's plan to have the Pinal County Elections Department to conduct an independent evaluation of the entire process to ensure there were no irregularities. The entire voting process was irregular, and not what I call a good enough attempt on part of our county Representative to include the constituents that he oversees. There were many irregularities in the process from the limited time frame given to residents to "have a say in the name" and the unofficial process that was used to gather community votes. While I am thankful for the individuals that helped spread the word about the name change, the fact remains that Supervisor Martyn did not conduct a true voting process through the county for which could have and should have been done. However, I heard that he claimed that doing so, sending out information to all residents would have been too costly to do. So, he chose to sacrifice the remaining 78 thousand residents and their input on a name that directly impacts their life and where they live to save a penny. An official vote that is conducted through the county should have and can still be done, if we are talking about doing this honestly and in the best interest of the area and the residents.
I have read that there is something close to 80 thousand people. For that many people and only one week to gather "votes" I believe the number of 2000 votes collected is proof enough to show both lack of proper engagement of the community by our supervisor as well as just how irregular this process was. Personal Agenda? How can you doubt there was one, just look at the process.
Another thing I find interesting is that they quote that the residents had around 20 names for which to vote from. However, from the email received, it directed me to a site that had an online poll of names to vote from, and it consisted of well over 35 names, none for which I saw represented on the ballot Monday night.
hmmm.....something doesn't seem, look, or smell right here.....
Brayn had nothing to do with this voting mess. That was pushed and put on by the legend in their own minds GSTAC.
Pipeman, you hit the nail on the head.
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payattention71 wrote: How did the issues posted on this forum become such a quick turn against individuals. Are we not all residents here? Are we not all for honest representation and good plans, decided by the people, for this area? I believe that there are too many judgements and criticisms that fly about causing deviation from the issues at hand. This is just another example of how our area can't come together, too much division. Lets start compiling ideas, working together , not against each other, to tackle the issues that surround our area. I am referring to us residents of course.
He's an Apache Junction resident.
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| How did the issues posted on this forum become such a quick turn against individuals. Are we not all residents here? Are we not all for honest representation and good plans, decided by the people, for this area? I believe that there are too many judgements and criticisms that fly about causing deviation from the issues at hand. This is just another example of how our area can't come together, too much division. Lets start compiling ideas, working together , not against each other, to tackle the issues that surround our area. I am referring to us residents of course.
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| He's run for Mayor since I was in high school! And has been extremely litigious to the city. Waste of resources
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Barny spent $40,000 plus- to my $1200 .
7.44%
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Why
Got a point?
The ghost of Herby D wants to know!
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PAY -A
Don't let pavlov's dogs intimidate you!
These folks will stop at nothing to pave over you and have endless toll towers and Wal -Marts as far as the eye can see.
Nothing Green no Rail options just concrete, Smog and Airline noise!
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Nobodys Fool wrote: Who is EF? And what does a dentist have to do with anything?
Elliot Fisher. ran against Bryan or district 2 sup., ran for AJ mayor (I believe or is going to) sat on some boards in AJ. He is a nurse that came from Chicago. Not liked in his home city of AJ.Dentist?? Take it for what it's worth and where it comes from
Wish this site had a da&# IGNORE buttin.
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| I must have missed the inside jokes, etc. as they go right over my head. I am referring the the banter the flys about, no insult or judgement here. But in all seriousness, with regards to the naming vote, things could have been handled in a much better fasion, Martyn could have conducted a county wide offical vote. Don't let him convince you otherwise. The name change didn't have to be done now, with the zip code change, it could have been done two weeks from now. THe Postal service doesn't control that aspect of this issue. This is just among one of the problems surrounding Martyn's so called "representing the people", or having what is in our best interest. There are many holes in his speach that he delivers so neatly. Hhowever, if you were to start seperating the pieces you might find that what he claims isn't the whole truth. Without complete truth, how can one not question the truth in what he says, promises and what might be hidden agenda
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| Who is EF? And what does a dentist have to do with anything?
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JJohnson wrote: Elliot ...
What was your percentage of votes in the last election? Was it not low single digits?
JJ
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Elliot ...
What was your percentage of votes in the last election? Was it not low single digits?
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flygad1 wrote: julieb
Why don't you go to Apache Junction and find a dentist!
Huh?
Way to obtain votes, pal. What a fine, upstanding, intelligent citizen you must be. Certainly someone I want representing me in government.
Are you the same Elliot Fisher who used to work in the Chicago area as a hospice nurse?
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I am with you there guy. If you can't tell they are bringing the living dead from AJ already to the fight!
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| In response to your previous question to Pay, what to do now, I believe the answer is to identify area issues, brainstorm ideas on how to handle them, then ban together as a true community and work as a team to combat what we are up agaisnt.
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a.voice wrote: interesting all the different opinions, criticisims, and judgements that pass through here. How many of you have actually taken the time to get to know those you either support or are against. How many of you have had taken the opprotunity to meet these individual and spoken one on one with them. Are you even aware of the many different indivuals that work diligently ing the surrounding areas with no need for name recognition but have made a great impact. Are you aware that this voting process and collecting of votes included more than Tisha and Brian Martyn. How many of you sit at your computers and complain about lack of voting time, yet did nothing to help. How many of you are unhappy with the name choice yet find someone to blame for it? Lastly, out of all of you who post on this site, how many of you are actually active, outside this group, and are actively working in the very communities for which you live?, talik to residents and make an actual attempt to help bring awareness to those you live around and try to make a difference?
Here is the reality, there are forces out there that have personal agendas, people who are out for themselves, for a name, for a promotion in some sici political game. However, there are you and me, the 80K residents that live here. Maybe it takes something like this to bring us together and rather than complain about who is to blame, start talking about how to make things different. If there is one thing I have learned, complaining and pointing fingers gets you know where, but take a group of eager, passionate people and you can accomplish great things
I am happy that we even had the opportunity to have a poll, it didn't seem like we were going to get that.
Also, I can't speak for anyone else, but I spent my last two nights at board and committee meetings for my community- so yes, I am involved outside of sitting behind a keyboard. I hope this name brings us all together. It really upsets me that so many people today don't know who their neighbors are and have an "it's not my job" mentality. I'm glad someone stepped up to the plate, and I was happy to pitch in where I could.
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Good point some have been fighting for years in the courts in the political sphere some we agree with some not but few really care . Only when it is the backyard and often to late do they act!
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I think you have it correct . The Wagon has left the Depot and the band is playing the same old tune!
Now what can we do?
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flygad1 wrote: The Malfunction is not mine. It is in your mirror!
EF
Wow, your humor is beyond belief. And you want to represent the people. PLEASE.......
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The Malfunction is not mine. It is in your mirror!
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flygad1 wrote: julieb
Why don't you go to Apache Junction and find a dentist!
Dude what is your major malfunction?
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interesting all the different opinions, criticisims, and judgements that pass through here. How many of you have actually taken the time to get to know those you either support or are against. How many of you have had taken the opprotunity to meet these individual and spoken one on one with them. Are you even aware of the many different indivuals that work diligently ing the surrounding areas with no need for name recognition but have made a great impact. Are you aware that this voting process and collecting of votes included more than Tisha and Brian Martyn. How many of you sit at your computers and complain about lack of voting time, yet did nothing to help. How many of you are unhappy with the name choice yet find someone to blame for it? Lastly, out of all of you who post on this site, how many of you are actually active, outside this group, and are actively working in the very communities for which you live?, talik to residents and make an actual attempt to help bring awareness to those you live around and try to make a difference?
Here is the reality, there are forces out there that have personal agendas, people who are out for themselves, for a name, for a promotion in some sici political game. However, there are you and me, the 80K residents that live here. Maybe it takes something like this to bring us together and rather than complain about who is to blame, start talking about how to make things different. If there is one thing I have learned, complaining and pointing fingers gets you know where, but take a group of eager, passionate people and you can accomplish great things
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interesting all the different opinions, criticisims, and judgements that pass through here. How many of you have actually taken the time to get to know those you either support or are against. How many of you have had taken the opprotunity to meet these individual and spoken one on one with them. Are you even aware of the many different indivuals that work diligently ing the surrounding areas with no need for name recognition but have made a great impact. Are you aware that this voting process and collecting of votes included more than Tisha and Brian Martyn. How many of you sit at your computers and complain about lack of voting time, yet did nothing to help. How many of you are unhappy with the name choice yet find someone to blame for it? Lastly, out of all of you who post on this site, how many of you are actually active, outside this group, and are actively working in the very communities for which you live?, talik to residents and make an actual attempt to help bring awareness to those you live around and try to make a difference?
Here is the reality, there are forces out there that have personal agendas, people who are out for themselves, for a name, for a promotion in some sici political game. However, there are you and me, the 80K residents that live here. Maybe it takes something like this to bring us together and rather than complain about who is to blame, start talking about how to make things different. If there is one thing I have learned, complaining and pointing fingers gets you know where, but take a group of eager, passionate people and you can accomplish great things
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Why don't you go to Apache Junction and find a dentist!
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| I can tell you this, you are so wrong, this entire thing was played out according to plans, and one might ask, for whom does these plans best benefit? The residents? Or Bryan Martyn's future career. Be sure of your confidence for the many so so quickly protect and look outside the box. You many find that you are missing quite abit.
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payattention71 wrote: I find it interesting the Supervisor Martyn's plan to have the Pinal County Elections Department to conduct an independent evaluation of the entire process to ensure there were no irregularities. The entire voting process was irregular, and not what I call a good enough attempt on part of our county Representative to include the constituents that he oversees. There were many irregularities in the process from the limited time frame given to residents to "have a say in the name" and the unofficial process that was used to gather community votes. While I am thankful for the individuals that helped spread the word about the name change, the fact remains that Supervisor Martyn did not conduct a true voting process through the county for which could have and should have been done. However, I heard that he claimed that doing so, sending out information to all residents would have been too costly to do. So, he chose to sacrifice the remaining 78 thousand residents and their input on a name that directly impacts their life and where they live to save a penny. An official vote that is conducted through the county should have and can still be done, if we are talking about doing this honestly and in the best interest of the area and the residents.
I have read that there is something close to 80 thousand people. For that many people and only one week to gather "votes" I believe the number of 2000 votes collected is proof enough to show both lack of proper engagement of the community by our supervisor as well as just how irregular this process was. Personal Agenda? How can you doubt there was one, just look at the process.
Another thing I find interesting is that they quote that the residents had around 20 names for which to vote from. However, from the email received, it directed me to a site that had an online poll of names to vote from, and it consisted of well over 35 names, none for which I saw represented on the ballot Monday night.
hmmm.....something doesn't seem, look, or smell right here.....
Brayn had nothing to do with this voting mess. That was pushed and put on by the legend in their own minds GSTAC.
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You would be getting warmer!
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Please quit hijacking our threads. We know who you are . . . do you really expect to get votes this way? Stick to your Apache Junction issues and leave us alone.
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San Tan Valley is the name, but realize Bella Vista was favored by many. There wasn't any wrongdoing. Bryan is trying to satisfy the different factions. He probably shouldn't. I liked Bella Vista and I'm not of retirement age. The name is San Tan Valley. Bryan at least did something. There isn't any other group in this area that knew or wanted to do anything to move us forward.
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| Based on his four point criteruia, the ultimate decison came down to him, no matter the majority vote. If he personally didn't think the majority vote name or names fit his criteria, he could have rejected them and thus pick from the next one down on the list, until he came to the name he liked. That is what I have taken from all I have heard, includuing his speach Monday night. he may not have said it straight forward as that, but the true message existed behind his pretty speech and promises.
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nunya wrote: payattention71 wrote: I find it interesting the Supervisor Martyn's plan to have the Pinal County Elections Department to conduct an independent evaluation of the entire process to ensure there were no irregularities.
That is weird and a waste of money and effort. This was not a real election. The only reason I could think that he would say that is to get the other names thrown out so Bella Vista would be chosen after all.
Listen, this is why I was so against the process used---we will be hearing complaints for the whole year about this. As the snowbirds start returning it will really start. But it's not changing, so lets just live with it.
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payattention71 wrote: I find it interesting the Supervisor Martyn's plan to have the Pinal County Elections Department to conduct an independent evaluation of the entire process to ensure there were no irregularities.
That is weird and a waste of money and effort. This was not a real election. The only reason I could think that he would say that is to get the other names thrown out so Bella Vista would be chosen after all.
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Bambi2 wrote:
Well; that leaves me out and STH, as we are under the Queen Creek zip code 85142, so we either post on Pinal's site or QC's site.
Don't forget me in Skyline Ranch!Last edited on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 08:17 am by Lovethisarea
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I find it interesting the Supervisor Martyn's plan to have the Pinal County Elections Department to conduct an independent evaluation of the entire process to ensure there were no irregularities. The entire voting process was irregular, and not what I call a good enough attempt on part of our county Representative to include the constituents that he oversees. There were many irregularities in the process from the limited time frame given to residents to "have a say in the name" and the unofficial process that was used to gather community votes. While I am thankful for the individuals that helped spread the word about the name change, the fact remains that Supervisor Martyn did not conduct a true voting process through the county for which could have and should have been done. However, I heard that he claimed that doing so, sending out information to all residents would have been too costly to do. So, he chose to sacrifice the remaining 78 thousand residents and their input on a name that directly impacts their life and where they live to save a penny. An official vote that is conducted through the county should have and can still be done, if we are talking about doing this honestly and in the best interest of the area and the residents.
I have read that there is something close to 80 thousand people. For that many people and only one week to gather "votes" I believe the number of 2000 votes collected is proof enough to show both lack of proper engagement of the community by our supervisor as well as just how irregular this process was. Personal Agenda? How can you doubt there was one, just look at the process.
Another thing I find interesting is that they quote that the residents had around 20 names for which to vote from. However, from the email received, it directed me to a site that had an online poll of names to vote from, and it consisted of well over 35 names, none for which I saw represented on the ballot Monday night.
hmmm.....something doesn't seem, look, or smell right here.....
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Myself, I just don't like the fact that GSTAC stuck their noses into our business.
I can hear it now. see what GSTAC did for you. Your voice was not heard and we made sure it got heard, so let us do the talking for you...blah, blah, blah.
Makes me want to throw up in my mouth (as my little one says).
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I'm with GSBill on this one. She registered it in 2007, not last week. I actually highly doubt she would make a lot of money off of it anyway. Not enough to buy it so far in advance. This isn't http://www.pepsi.com we're talking about.
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Bambi2 wrote: Well; that leaves me out and STH, as we are under the Queen Creek zip code 85142, so we either post on Pinal's site or QC's site.
What??? Woman you best be posting on that site too 
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pintail wrote:
GSBill wrote: I think you all should chill until you have more info. I really doubt one individual can buy a domain name and then get am entire place to pick that name in hopes of turning a buck. There are other variations of San Tan Valley owned by other entities and individuals.
You are correct that is difficult for 1 person to alter the opinions of 1700. However, when you are the loudest opponent to "the process" and you attempt to represent an impartial view all credibility is lost when you have a finical benefit based on the outcome.
It is not a gray area.
There is no automatic or guarantee of any financial outcome. Lets say, just for the heck of it that the intent was to make money off a domain name. So what? Capitalism at work. There are actual businesses that gamble and buy up domain names ahead of the curve to make money. Its a l o n g stretch to think that the name San Tan Valley came about because one person wanted to turn a buck off a registered domain name. For that to work more people would have to be involved and for what? How much money is in this domain name thing? Perhaps I'm wrong...common sense just doesnt add up. I'm thinking Pinal's supervisor is way above such a silly association for peanuts.Last edited on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 02:58 am by GSBill
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 02:38 am |
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GSBill wrote: I think you all should chill until you have more info. I really doubt one individual can buy a domain name and then get am entire place to pick that name in hopes of turning a buck. There are other variations of San Tan Valley owned by other entities and individuals.
You are correct that is difficult for 1 person to alter the opinions of 1700. However, when you are the loudest opponent to "the process" and you attempt to represent an impartial view all credibility is lost when you have a finical benefit based on the outcome.
It is not a gray area.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 02:20 am |
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| I think you all should chill until you have more info. I really doubt one individual can buy a domain name and then get am entire place to pick that name in hopes of turning a buck. There are other variations of San Tan Valley owned by other entities and individuals.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 02:03 am |
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Bambi2 wrote: brennanbolger wrote: They have owned the domain name since November 2007.
Ooops. Not good.
Dang. Now what? No recourse as I see it at this point. Nothing was really official when overseen by private enterprize as this was. Did she disclose this to Bryan or others? Did she "push" the name San Tan Valley and did she have others present that knew of this and supported her? Like other GSTAC members?
Outstanding ethics.
This is the type of personal/special interest that we need to pay close attention to as we look to incorporate. You can bet the con-people and unethical opportunist will be out in full force.
Burn us once, shame you...burn us twice....
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 12:29 am |
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This still seems a bit surreal. I'm so used to saying Queen Creek that it may take a several months before I actually start thinking differently.
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