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Chad Roche wrote: flygad1 wrote: Chad
Bryan needs nothing but a wink and a nod from friends in the Statehouse to impose toll roads. There is already a bill to allow incorporated cities this power!
- Apache Junction learned the hard way cities can't fund schools! To the tune of two million dollars!
I wonder if Bryan is willing to put the toll road issue to a county wide advisory election in november 2010 ballot.
I already know the answer as well as 78,000 Pinal County voters being misled on this plan .
Now you know why he is pushing so hard with so few to tax us for every 1/4
mile we drive.
Elliot, the funding of schools is a whole new issue....I think we have too many issues with the way schools are funded in this country as a whole. Why do most school districts have as many administrators and support staff as teachers? Why is the pay gap between teachers and administrators so wide? Better schools won't come by way of spending more money, they will come by way of spending money more wisely. I think the state legislation should propose a bill that caps government school salary at $90,000 regardless of position--NO ONE would make more. The government seems so quick to regulate private businesses but they ignore the PUBLICALLY paid employees?!??! This doesn't mean teachers shouldn't make more money but they should be paid for performance. I think using technology to teach is a fantastic idea, but should we be paying for technology when we have kids who aren't taught the basics? What is so wrong with reading a book? I realize that not buying books will save money in the long run but don't our kids stare at computer screens enough these days????!?!
I am 100% for toll roads to generate revenue for ROADS...if you use it, you pay for it. Sounds pretty fair to me!
As a school employee I will refrain from from saying much .. BINGO should sum it up
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| Your from Illinois just like I am originally, You know the impact of toll raods. Some good , some bad. 294 and the 355 are good because it moves traffic around the city and from the north to the south end with implicable ease. I remember when I was working A/C service work it was a real nightmare to travel from the southeast suburbs to the northwest suburbs, now you can do it with ease if you have a transponder. Other toll way's like the one that goes to Indiana thru the SE part of the city has a $5.00 toll to go 6 miles but that one is privately owned now by the bank of new york not the school board anymore.It could work here in certain instances with what I talked about in the post. Some free passage still has to exist, if not our arterial streets will become overcrowded again, which is why the 101,202 were built in the first place. Bryan in my opinion has answered the call the voters have given him for the amount of time on the job. He was a leader by way of his rank in the military and served us well their for 20 years, if given the chance I see no reason that he will not full fill the obligation the voters gave him to lead and take care of us in Pinal County also. I do believe that we do have to change and build our area up sensibly tho to keep up with the population growth we are seeing and are going to see in the next 10 years. Give him some space and the ball, he'll score the winning touchdown, you'll see ef. But it has to be done to keep our western heritage and equestrian lifestyle in tact. Sure some things will change there as any growth would have but a majority of it MUST remain. AJ is writing a whole new comprehensive plan as we speak, this time the words equestrian and horses and the"y" are going to be defined so there is no confusion like the one in 1999 that did not even mention those words 1x. Public input will be a great factor in that, you watch. Later all Stay safe and have a good day.Church time. going to listen to another blabber mouth talk. LOL
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I just think putting Toll Roads in is a huge money pit. It will be way to easy to nickel and dime us to death.
All they will need to do is flip a switch and your easy pass thing on your window go's from one dollar to two dollars etc.
TO EASY TO TAX! All kinds of fees you will pay to have transponder etc .
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Johnny
I have a soft spot for the little guy and his side kick Babeu . I am not totally against him except on the Toll Road thing. He did know I was going to come out against it guns blazing!
I am after all as of today the Pinal County Independent Petition Party.
I must be careful . LOL
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| Question: If you can not use the toll road, let's say the elderly or a disabled person on limited income, because it is a decision now for most of them between food or medicine, should not a clause or article in this legislation be worded too an effect of lowering, I.E. a discount for these people? Just think of all the winter visitors taking to arterial streets, the traffic congestion, and the accidents that will occur because of the increase of traffic in these area's. What is your opinion on this if you would please Mr. Roche? I am not against toll roads completely, some of the routes should tho be left open with no tolls so there is an option there. It would be a tough sell if it does go to the people to vote. Everything we do in this country now either has a toll, tax, fee, permit, etc, etc,etc, And we say we are a free nation. Yeh if you can pay for it. Isn't this a lot like double taxation also, we already pay for roads thru a gas tax every time we buy gas. HURF funds are distributed back to the cities to use for roads and such. Maybe we should allow the cities to impose a percentage on gas sales since HURF funds are being cut to cities. Where does it all end. We will all be broke, bankrupt, no cashola, if this keeps up. We all can't be taken care of by welfare money, someone has to work to pay us. Just my 2 cents worth. And I also am not against Bryan Martyn for his efforts, so far I think he has excelled for the short time he has had to work with all the problems in the county. Thanks. Last edited on Sun Jun 28th, 2009 12:29 pm by johnnyk597
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Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 08:18 am |
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2 cents
I wonder if "Barney" Martyn will endorse the toll road on this blog?
What do you think?
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 11:01 pm |
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flygad1 wrote: Chad
Bryan needs nothing but a wink and a nod from friends in the Statehouse to impose toll roads. There is already a bill to allow incorporated cities this power!
- Apache Junction learned the hard way cities can't fund schools! To the tune of two million dollars!
I wonder if Bryan is willing to put the toll road issue to a county wide advisory election in november 2010 ballot.
I already know the answer as well as 78,000 Pinal County voters being misled on this plan .
Now you know why he is pushing so hard with so few to tax us for every 1/4
mile we drive.
Elliot, the funding of schools is a whole new issue....I think we have too many issues with the way schools are funded in this country as a whole. Why do most school districts have as many administrators and support staff as teachers? Why is the pay gap between teachers and administrators so wide? Better schools won't come by way of spending more money, they will come by way of spending money more wisely. I think the state legislation should propose a bill that caps government school salary at $90,000 regardless of position--NO ONE would make more. The government seems so quick to regulate private businesses but they ignore the PUBLICALLY paid employees?!??! This doesn't mean teachers shouldn't make more money but they should be paid for performance. I think using technology to teach is a fantastic idea, but should we be paying for technology when we have kids who aren't taught the basics? What is so wrong with reading a book? I realize that not buying books will save money in the long run but don't our kids stare at computer screens enough these days????!?!
I am 100% for toll roads to generate revenue for ROADS...if you use it, you pay for it. Sounds pretty fair to me!
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| From reading through past posts, I have learned that specifics accusations against another can bite you in the rear. Bambi being one of those people. So, in attempt to not find myself in the very kettle Bambi, along with others have been caught in, I will re-frame from detailing any specifics regarding Martyn. Rest assure, I have seen things that would call into question his plans for this area and how they specifically impact him personally, if you know what I mean. My hopes is that you that post here might give some thought and cause for further evaluation of the things, issues, ideas he pushes for our area.
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 04:57 pm |
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flygad1 wrote: Chad
Bryan needs nothing but a wink and a nod from friends in the Statehouse to impose toll roads. There is already a bill to allow incorporated cities this power!
- Apache Junction learned the hard way cities can't fund schools! To the tune of two million dollars!
I wonder if Bryan is willing to put the toll road issue to a county wide advisory election in november 2010 ballot.
I already know the answer as well as 78,000 Pinal County voters being misled on this plan .
Now you know why he is pushing so hard with so few to tax us for every 1/4
mile we drive.
A toll road for a north/south corridor to the 60 would be good.
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 04:23 pm |
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flygad1 wrote: Chad
- Apache Junction learned the hard way cities can't fund schools! To the tune of two million dollars!
In what way has our city funded our schools?
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flygad1 wrote: Chad
Bryan needs nothing but a wink and a nod from friends in the Statehouse to impose toll roads. There is already a bill to allow incorporated cities this power!
- Apache Junction learned the hard way cities can't fund schools! To the tune of two million dollars!
I wonder if Bryan is willing to put the toll road issue to a county wide advisory election in november 2010 ballot.
I already know the answer as well as 78,000 Pinal County voters being misled on this plan .
Now you know why he is pushing so hard with so few to tax us for every 1/4
mile we drive.
I gather that you would rather do without roads. You do not like toll roads and the County can't afford to build them. Guess we'll wait 20+ years 'til the $s are there. You seem to want all these free things. Who do you think should pay for them so that you can have them for free?
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Chad
Bryan needs nothing but a wink and a nod from friends in the Statehouse to impose toll roads. There is already a bill to allow incorporated cities this power!
- Apache Junction learned the hard way cities can't fund schools! To the tune of two million dollars!
I wonder if Bryan is willing to put the toll road issue to a county wide advisory election in november 2010 ballot.
I already know the answer as well as 78,000 Pinal County voters being misled on this plan .
Now you know why he is pushing so hard with so few to tax us for every 1/4
mile we drive.
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Bambi2 wrote: payattention71 wrote: Bambi,
First off, this isn't meant tp be am attack of any kind, rather just curiosity and calling it like I see it. I have spent alot of time reading through multiple subjects and posts done through this forum. If there is one thing I see that is consistant in most everything is your commitment to Supervisor Martyn. It is as though the man can do no wrong in your eyes or that you are blind to him and his plans. That leads me to wonder, what is behind this unabiding support for our supervisior that you have either turned a blind eye, comletely snowed or have a personal agenda yourself that you believe he can help you achieve.Again, this isn't an attack just pure curiosity. I would be silly to think that you are completely blind to what is occuring within our county and the decisions, including the most recent, he has made. You seem like a pretty smart lady, so what gives?
Like I said, just really curious.
Boy.....this just ain't my day.lol. Curious is ok.
I'm a loyalist. What can I say? If I see someone who can promote change and demonstartes the ability to lead us into a more safe, prosperous and sustainable lifestyle, then I will be very supportive of that person. I will also point out his shortfalls, and won't hesititate to take issue with him.....privately or publicaly. Bryan knows I'm candor, and I will tell it like it is. He owes me nothing and I owe him nothing. I'm "slowing down", and have all that I desire. But will also defend what I have. And that includes my 50 or so family members that live out here and also seek a safe and prosperous lifestyle out here, with safe schools and streets. No personal agenda. Just loyalty to a person who has demonstrated to me good skills in managing our affairs, and the expectation of him doing his job honestly, intelligently and skillfully.....all with transparancy.
What is occuring in our County that you imply knowing, concerning Bryan? Please share them with me. Perhaps you can cause me to change my mind. What is it that he is doing that you and gadfly and some others keep eluding to?
Didn't you notice I do the same with Obama? Just me.
What's wrong with being loyal to a leader? I don't see anything wrong with pledging allegiance to your president. Or your flag. Or your supervisor.
What's Bryan doing wrong?
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Bambi2 wrote: Elliot. I don't understand code or carney talk. So shoot me straight gadfly. Just say it in English so we can understand it or I'll pass on your posts of inuendos.
I and many others have been pushing Bryan on getting this area on the map since before he was elected. That includes searching for a name.
I don't care if Bryan has big money backing him. All politicians do. That's how they get relected. And I hope he's aspiring to greater things, as that will motivate him to accomplish as much for us as possible. And I hope he is "working" the Legislature. Lobbyist might hound him too. Developers? Industrialist? I hope he listens to them all and knows how to use their free "talents" for our benefit. Put them on Development Committees and yes, allow them to help us design this area, workinig within the constraints of the Comprehensive Plan the people approved and a qualified staff, under County auspices. Someone has to, and it might as well be those who are qualified and have an interest, be it financial or otherwise. It's all about the transparancy and oversight, that keeps out corruption. We elected Bryan to represent us. That's the real reason you spoke of. Trust Him and keep aware.
And that's capitalism at work, EF, and Bryan's at the helm to make sure it happens as we become not only prosperous, but sustainable.
Toll Rd.s? Sneaky? Design Plans for us? Everything has to go thru the process, starting with staff, then proceeding to P and Z, and on to the BOS. If taxpayers show up to these meetings and express their opinions, or email their Supervisor with that opinion, or call him, then why would Bryan ignore the people's will? That would be political suicide.
But no one is going to lead them to Florence for these meetings or show them the keyboard to email their response, or demonstrate how calliing the County is done. The people must take the initiative imo.
So the only thing that I see needs to "EXPAND" is your Horizon EF.
WHOA.....I'm blown away! I have been gone for quite some time and I come back to a Bambi I can agree with!??!?!? NICE.
I personally like toll roads---if you use it you pay for it; maybe we should have toll schools too! Bryan is putting the needs of the county ahead of whatever else, the county SHOULD be for us incorporating and urbanizing (eventhough we've sorta done the latter already) then we come off the county $$$$ and then we start to support ourselves. If I were supervisor I would encourage this area to incorporate too. Not only to get the county some wiggle room in the budget but also to bring the representation of the area down a notch--bring government closer. This is the same reason I support the 3-5 bill, it increases representation.
If our founding father's had it their way there would be over 6,000 representatives in the house and we'd get better representation!
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payattention71 wrote: Bambi,
First off, this isn't meant tp be am attack of any kind, rather just curiosity and calling it like I see it. I have spent alot of time reading through multiple subjects and posts done through this forum. If there is one thing I see that is consistant in most everything is your commitment to Supervisor Martyn. It is as though the man can do no wrong in your eyes or that you are blind to him and his plans. That leads me to wonder, what is behind this unabiding support for our supervisior that you have either turned a blind eye, comletely snowed or have a personal agenda yourself that you believe he can help you achieve.Again, this isn't an attack just pure curiosity. I would be silly to think that you are completely blind to what is occuring within our county and the decisions, including the most recent, he has made. You seem like a pretty smart lady, so what gives?
Like I said, just really curious.
Boy.....this just ain't my day.lol. Curious is ok.
I'm a loyalist. What can I say? If I see someone who can promote change and demonstartes the ability to lead us into a more safe, prosperous and sustainable lifestyle, then I will be very supportive of that person. I will also point out his shortfalls, and won't hesititate to take issue with him.....privately or publicaly. Bryan knows I'm candor, and I will tell it like it is. He owes me nothing and I owe him nothing. I'm "slowing down", and have all that I desire. But will also defend what I have. And that includes my 50 or so family members that live out here and also seek a safe and prosperous lifestyle out here, with safe schools and streets. No personal agenda. Just loyalty to a person who has demonstrated to me good skills in managing our affairs, and the expectation of him doing his job honestly, intelligently and skillfully.....all with transparancy.
What is occuring in our County that you imply knowing, concerning Bryan? Please share them with me. Perhaps you can cause me to change my mind. What is it that he is doing that you and gadfly and some others keep eluding to?
Didn't you notice I do the same with Obama? Just me.
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Bambi,
First off, this isn't meant tp be am attack of any kind, rather just curiosity and calling it like I see it. I have spent alot of time reading through multiple subjects and posts done through this forum. If there is one thing I see that is consistant in most everything is your commitment to Supervisor Martyn. It is as though the man can do no wrong in your eyes or that you are blind to him and his plans. That leads me to wonder, what is behind this unabiding support for our supervisior that you have either turned a blind eye, comletely snowed or have a personal agenda yourself that you believe he can help you achieve.Again, this isn't an attack just pure curiosity. I would be silly to think that you are completely blind to what is occuring within our county and the decisions, including the most recent, he has made. You seem like a pretty smart lady, so what gives?
Like I said, just really curious.
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| Oh I know, that's I didn't want to post the article. Personally, I'm fine with it- cause it won't be the only road to anywhere- so there you go... and it's already allowed- so it's nothing new.
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pcresident wrote: I hate to do this, but here's the article:
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/06/22/ap6572314.html
That article talks about AZ DOT. Pinal County is NOT AZ DOT.
If anyone wants to have some real fun, just google Elliott Fisher Apache Junction.
With Elliott, EVERYTHING is a conspiracy!
http://www.newszapforums.com/view_topic.php?id=83313&forum_id=7&highlight=elliott
http://www.newszapforums.com/view_topic.php?id=82227&forum_id=7&highlight=elliott
http://www.newszapforums.com/view_topic.php?id=82227&forum_id=7&highlight=elliott
http://www.newszapforums.com/view_topic.php?id=85810&forum_id=7&highlight=elliott
http://www.newszapforums.com/view_topic.php?id=82502&forum_id=7&highlight=elliott
http://www.azcentral.com/community/pinal/articles/2008/07/31/20080731elexpinalsuptwo0731fisher-ON.html
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=894&dat=20010320&id=hqMKAAAAIBAJ&sjid=IU0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5094,2653015
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So, what is new? They are allowed by law at present. They are just tweeking the small print. You have a problem with that? You would rather they leave the small print ambiguous? I would much prefer the tightening up of questionable language. Less room for error or mis-interpretation. Less chance for lawsuits. Less chance for those who might attempt to overcharge the taxpayer.
Come on Don, I'm sure there are more windmills about.
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I hate to do this, but here's the article:
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/06/22/ap6572314.html
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flygad1 wrote: Bambi
I think you need to do some research what is going on in the State Capital concerning cities creating Toll Roads.
EF
Will you please explain this? Cities creating toll roads within their own boundaries? What's going on? Who's doing that?
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Pipeman
How much are your contracts going to be worth ?
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flygad1 wrote: Bambi
looks like you got all them talkin points down!
I think you need to do some research what is going on in the State Capital concerning cities creating Toll Roads.
I am sure it is to late or Bryan Would not be doing his 2000 participant dog and pony show.
You already have lost if you think big $ is ever going to be a friend in Pinal County.
My political aspirations ? Give me a break! Our sentiments exactly. Are you sure you don't need a dentist in Apache Junction as well?
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Bambi
looks like you got all them talkin points down!
I think you need to do some research what is going on in the State Capital concerning cities creating Toll Roads.
I am sure it is to late or Bryan Would not be doing his 2000 participant dog and pony show.
You already have lost if you think big $ is ever going to be a friend in Pinal County.
My political aspirations ? Give me a break! Are you sure you don't need a dentist in Apache Junction as well?
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Elliot. I don't understand code or carney talk. So shoot me straight gadfly. Just say it in English so we can understand it or I'll pass on your posts of inuendos.
I and many others have been pushing Bryan on getting this area on the map since before he was elected. That includes searching for a name.
I don't care if Bryan has big money backing him. All politicians do. That's how they get relected. And I hope he's aspiring to greater things, as that will motivate him to accomplish as much for us as possible. And I hope he is "working" the Legislature. Lobbyist might hound him too. Developers? Industrialist? I hope he listens to them all and knows how to use their free "talents" for our benefit. Put them on Development Committees and yes, allow them to help us design this area, workinig within the constraints of the Comprehensive Plan the people approved and a qualified staff, under County auspices. Someone has to, and it might as well be those who are qualified and have an interest, be it financial or otherwise. It's all about the transparancy and oversight, that keeps out corruption. We elected Bryan to represent us. That's the real reason you spoke of. Trust Him and keep aware.
And that's capitalism at work, EF, and Bryan's at the helm to make sure it happens as we become not only prosperous, but sustainable.
Toll Rd.s? Sneaky? Design Plans for us? Everything has to go thru the process, starting with staff, then proceeding to P and Z, and on to the BOS. If taxpayers show up to these meetings and express their opinions, or email their Supervisor with that opinion, or call him, then why would Bryan ignore the people's will? That would be political suicide.
But no one is going to lead them to Florence for these meetings or show them the keyboard to email their response, or demonstrate how calliing the County is done. The people must take the initiative imo.
So the only thing that I see needs to "EXPAND" is your Horizon EF.
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Not really a confession only expose the real reason for the " Name Urgency"
It is about the real goal of Bryan and his backers "Urbanization " and big $.
It is about nothing else. Not postal codes or service to Citizens etc.
He has friends floating bills in the Legislature that will allow cities broad powers to create Toll Roads.
It all EXPANDS from there. All very quiet and very sneaky. 80,000 people will soon have the future designed for them!
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It may seem weird but there are always important things hidden in what I write.
I want people to question some of the lies before the eyes.
I am the guy that ran as Independent against Bryan . My wife and I like him but he is being backed with huge money. I don't see that as all bad but the only way to fight is by exposing the bull !
Elliott Fisher
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Gadfly or Flygad? It's Elliot Fisher. He's weird alright, according to his own assessment of himself.
Didn't you run for Supervisor Elliot?
How would you be doing things differently, besides throwing out the toll road idea?
It seems you're looking for a confession from Bryan......about what?
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LOL...you people are really weird sometimes.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 09:04 am |
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Mr Crusty Bow Wow is grinding his stones and digging holes for them bones.
Freddy is ready! His Dinosaurs in the Junction await the new empire .
The people of the creek are busy in the water gasping for air.
The little Tank Engine is blowing the horn! Only the Hobo's hear.
Yaba daba dooo!
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