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Posted: Sat Aug 15th, 2009 06:38 am |
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Bambi wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2NEU6Xf7lM (hope you like it Starleen).
Simple forumla for success: Just do the right thing.
Loved it, thank you very much for thinking of me Bambi. I appreciate it. Going through some tough family issues, this was a good perspective.
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Bambi wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2NEU6Xf7lM (hope you like it Starleen).
I'm returning this time to speak from my heart.........
Let Peace prevail in Our Community. Let us continue on our quest. We can and we will overcome all our adversaries as long as we remain focused, dedicated and prepared. No cause for concern or rejection. I'm focused, dedicated and prepared and I'll be ready when I'm called to meet my adversaries out here.....to convert them to friends and associates, with the same objectives.....peace and prosperity for All of Us. Simple forumla for success: Just do the right thing.
Welcome back Bambi, nice to see ya posting again. Those are some heartfelt words and a great start from one side....................now, what about the other side??
It is time to put all that crap behind ya'll and move on together, as we are all in this together.
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The First Amendment is under serious attack nation wide. Lexington KY has Blackwater Hessian Mercenaries training police officers and patroling the
streets. The Phx. PD union member is against such a move, but if a trend occurs
and we are up to our necks with mercs then what? Can Blackwater sue those of
us who don't approve like the utilities has done with these ladies?
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| The young singer Nilsen is so good. Thank you. It was very uplifting and soothing and a great change of pace. Good luck my friend.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2NEU6Xf7lM (hope you like it Starleen).
I'm returning this time to speak from my heart.........
Let Peace prevail in Our Community. Let us continue on our quest. We can and we will overcome all our adversaries as long as we remain focused, dedicated and prepared. No cause for concern or rejection. I'm focused, dedicated and prepared and I'll be ready when I'm called to meet my adversaries out here.....to convert them to friends and associates, with the same objectives.....peace and prosperity for All of Us. Simple forumla for success: Just do the right thing.
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I came on here to ask QC people to stay off of our site, if you hate us so much. You're too radical with your far right views and ugly assessments of those of us who don't believe the same as you do. Your nasty rhetoric against some of us is disgusting and full of personal attacks against one of our own, along with your denials. You have managed in just a couple of days to alter our efforts to manage our affairs out here by your discrediting the words of the very person speaking for us against JU. Personal attacks without legitimate evidence can cause a life long damage to reputations. Dirty trick on us Pinalers by QC Elitists. STAY OUT OF OUR BUSINESS. THAT INCLUDES CREATING DEMONS OUT OF US AND OUR EFFORTS FOR INDEPENDENCE. MUZZLE IT.
MuzzledinQC:
Remember when I first came on this forum, I was BLASTED by Bambi as being illiterate and uneducated and ridiculed because of my post count. And all of this was solely because I had an opposing view. Prove it. It continued to escalate to accusations of being a racist, an elitist and a bigot - ALL unsubstantiated. Prove it. Did I cry to the webmaster? Prove it. No, I confronted my accuser and proved her to be less than truthful in her posts Prove it. Shes an honest person working her ass off for us. Bambi created her own issues here - at least with me. I actually miss her posts. They were so easy to punch holes in. Did you have fun doing it?
Where are her damaging words to you? Just heresay. I see your damaging words to her. PJ22: I think she is highly sensitive and defensive and lacks the ability to take responsibility for her own actions. All 3 of those things combined creates the perfect storm where she posts something offensive to someone else, becomes offended when that person defends herself, and then tries to get the person banned or the thread deleted. Show proof. Other wise shut up. What you showed before is laughable. You made her into a Monster. She should sue the whole lot of you. At least then maybe you'll stop attacking her character.
What annoys me is that I view some of her comments to be an offensive passive/aggressive dig, and then she claims innocence when someone stands up for him/herself. And then runs to the webmaster. If I'm so upset that I have to run to the webmaster, I will just leave the forum or ignore the offensive poster. I also find it hard to believe that she advocates for free speech rights with as much muzzling as she's done on here. I view her to be very hypocritical. I think the banning, the litigious language, and the threatening PMs needs to stop.
Your selfish need to criticize and ruin this person has effected all of us in San Tan Valley. Thanks to you PJ and Queen Creekers selfish motives. Motives they want heard loud without interference from those who differ. You don't want us and you don't want to help us. Fine. Just shut up then about our affairs and quit crushing our efforts of trying to control our Utility Company and holding him accountable for actions against us. Now who will speak for us since you tore apart the persons credibility with the ACC? WHO?
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wantsafewater wrote:
Nobodys Fool wrote: wantsafewater wrote: Does anyone know how I can get ahold of Bambi? I have PM her several times but no response. Does she have an email address or phone number that someone can give me? I have found some interesting information on JU that she might want to look over.
I was asked to remove this posting.
Oh my God. I just breezed through that QC stuff about her. I think now she's ruined for sure and so is her case against JU., don't you? Especially if they believe what they read. And use it against her. And suggesting she shouldn't be trusted to tell the truth? That will prove she's a liar about her side of the story and to the R.E. Dept. too. There goes her license. A jury will convict her for sure based on those comments made about her. Poor Bambi. This is a travesty. This is wrong. Why would anyone do something like this to another human being?
Shes not ruined by a few posts on the internet. Bambi has decades of reputation banked as a good, honest, trustworthy person. Good, bad or ugly the internet provides a way for folks to talk it up. Most anything said can most often be regarded as hearsay..even the good stuff I guess. Those who know her personally know the truth. Lucky for her she knows a lot of folks.
BTW..there are no convictions in a civil suit...just judgments.
Hey Pipe! I see ya making the rounds..set up a coffee date with the usual suspects!
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wantsafewater wrote: Nobodys Fool wrote: wantsafewater wrote: Does anyone know how I can get ahold of Bambi? I have PM her several times but no response. Does she have an email address or phone number that someone can give me? I have found some interesting information on JU that she might want to look over.
I was asked to remove this posting.
Oh my God. I just breezed through that QC stuff about her. I think now she's ruined for sure and so is her case against JU., don't you? Especially if they believe what they read. And use it against her. And suggesting she shouldn't be trusted to tell the truth? That will prove she's a liar about her side of the story and to the R.E. Dept. too. There goes her license. A jury will convict her for sure based on those comments made about her. Poor Bambi. This is a travesty. This is wrong. Why would anyone do something like this to another human being?
Yep, it was pretty sickening to see grown adults act in the manner they did.
wants...... feel free to pm me the info and I will get it Bambi for you, as she does not come on anymore, nor will I give her personal information out.
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Nobodys Fool wrote: wantsafewater wrote: Does anyone know how I can get ahold of Bambi? I have PM her several times but no response. Does she have an email address or phone number that someone can give me? I have found some interesting information on JU that she might want to look over.
I was asked to remove this posting.
Oh my God. I just breezed through that QC stuff about her. I think now she's ruined for sure and so is her case against JU., don't you? Especially if they believe what they read. And use it against her. And suggesting she shouldn't be trusted to tell the truth? That will prove she's a liar about her side of the story and to the R.E. Dept. too. There goes her license. A jury will convict her for sure based on those comments made about her. Poor Bambi. This is a travesty. This is wrong. Why would anyone do something like this to another human being?Last edited on Wed Aug 12th, 2009 09:25 pm by wantsafewater
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Yipee. Yet another woman standing on her soapbox being sued by a higher power. Must be a powertrip for powerhungry people to think they are more powerful than the Constitution. Or maybe it's just Ignorance. Read what this blogger had to say about squashing her freedoms. Pay attention to Shannyn's words, all who are ignorant of the law. Best study up. Including Palin's attorney, who is threatening to sue ANYONE who starts or repeats rumors about her. Threatening legal action for publishing "defamatory" material about the governor. Wow. Ignorant and threatening attorneys are alive and well in Alaska. He forgets that the freedom of speech right protected by the Consitution, was enacted to protect Shannyn from the Governor.
"On the Fourth of July, when Americans everywhere were celebrating our most sacred national holiday with parades and barbeques, Governor Sarah Palin was busy having me, Shannyn Moore, declared an Enemy of the State.
In a rambling quasi-legal letter, the most powerful person in this state accused me of defaming her for pointing out the fact that there have been rumors, -rumors- of corruption, rumors that have been around for years.
When Sarah Palin gave her three-weeks notice to the people of Alaska, aborting her term as Governor, a lot of people wondered why she quit. Mid-level managers turn-in their notice, not elected public officials. It didn't make sense. It still doesn't. People have been trying to guess why she really quit, and everyone in Alaska has been playing the guessing game. They're rumors. There are a lot of rumors. And with all the corruption we've had here in Alaska, of course we wonder what's really behind her resignation.
Governors don't just quit. But Governor Palin did.
The governor's massive overreaction -on the Fourth of July no less- should make any reasonable person wonder what's wrong with her. The Lady protests way too much. Eventually we'll all find out why she really walked off the job.
Sarah Palin is a coward and a bully. What kind of politician attacks an ordinary American on the Fourth of July for speaking her mind? What's wrong with her? The First Amendment was designed to protect people like me from the likes of people like her. Our American Revolution got rid of kings. And queens, too. Am I jacked-up? You betcha.
Sarah Palin, if you have a problem with me, then sue me. Shannyn Moore will not be muzzled!"
Does this sound familiar?
Anchorage attorney Peter Maassen: "If (Palin) is actually a public figure, which clearly she is, there has to be actual malice involved, in my understanding of defamation law. That would be very hard to prove. ... It's a very, very high bar if it is a public figure,"
Unfortunately, Alaska doesn't have anti SLAPP legislation, but Palin will have to prove actual malice anyway, just like George Johnson lawsuit, and that will be hard to do as like George, she is a public figure in the news all the time and is libelproof as another previously wrote.
States with Anti-SLAPP Legislation: (in alphabetical order) Note Az. is now one.
Arizona: The Public Participation in Government was signed into law April 28, 2006. ARIZ. REV. STAT. ANN. §§ 12-751 - 12-752 (2009).
Arkansas: The Citizen Participation in Government Act was signed into law April 11, 2005. ARK. CODE ANN. §§ 16-63-501 - 16-63-508 (2009)
California: California's Claim Arising from Person's Exercise of Constitutional Right of Petition or Free Speech – Special Motion to Strike law was enacted in 1993. ANN.CAL.C.C.P. §425.16.
Delaware: Delaware enacted the Actions involving Public Petition and Participation, Standards for Motion to Dismiss and Summary Judgment in Certain Cases Involving Public Petition and Participation and Recovery of Damages in Actions Involving Public Petition and Participation. DEL. CODE. ANN. tit. 10 §§ 8136-8138 (2009).
Florida: FLA. STAT. §§ 768.295, 720.304(4)
Georgia: Exercise of rights of freedom of speech and right to petition government for redress of grievances; legislative findings; verification of claims; definitions; procedure on motions; exception GA. CODE ANN § 9-11-11.1 (2008)
Hawaii: HAW. Rev. Stat Vol. 13 §§634F-1 – 634F-4 (2002)
Illinois: 735 ILL. COMP. STAT. 110/1, 110/5, 110/10, 110/15, 110/20, 110/25, 110/30, 110/35, 110/99 (2008).
Indiana: Chapter 7. Defense in Civil Actions Against Persons Who Act in Furtherance of the Person's Right of Petition or Free Speech Under the Constitution of the United States or the Constitution of the State of Indiana in Connection with a Public Issue. IND CODE §§ 34-7-7-1 – 34-7-7-10 (2008).
Louisiana: Special Motion to Strike. LA. CODE CIV. PROC. ANN. art. 971 (2008)
Maine: Special Motion to Dismiss. ME. REV. STAT. ANN. tit. 14 § 556 (2008).
Maryland: Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation. MD. CODE ANN. § 5-807 (2008).
Massachusetts: Strategic Litigation Against Public Participation: Special Motion To Dismiss. MASS. GEN. LAWS. ANN. ch. 231 § 59H (2008).
Minnesota: Declaratory, Corrective, Administrative Remedies. Free Speech; Participation in Government. MINN. STAT. §§ 554.01 – 554.05 (2008).
Missouri: 537.528. Actions for damages for conduct or speech at public hearings and meetings to be considered on expedited basis-procedural issues. MO. REV. STAT. § 537-528.1-7 (2008).
Nebraska: NEB. REV. STAT. §§ 25-21,241- 25-21,246 (2008).
Nevada: Nevada's anti-SLAPP statute was enacted in 1993 and amended in 1997. NEV. REV. STAT. §§ 41.635 – 41.670 (2008).
New Mexico: New Mexico's anti-SLAPP law was enacted in April of 2001. N.M. STAT. ANN. §§ 38-2-9.1 – 38-2-9.2 (2008).
New York: N.Y. CIV. RIGHTS 70-a; 76-a (2008); N.Y. C.P.L.R 3211(g); 3212(h) (2009)
Oklahoma: Privileged Communications defined –Exemption from Libel. OKLA. STAT. tit. 12, chap. 25 § 1443.1 (2008)
Oregon: OR. REV. STAT. §§ 31.150 – 31.155 (2008).
Pennsylvania: 27 PA. CONS. STAT §§ 7707 – 7708 (2008); 27 PA. CONS. STAT §§ 8301 – 8305 (2008).
Rhode Island: R.I. GEN. LAWS §§ 9-33-1 – 9-33-4 (2008); R.I. GEN. LAWS § 45-24-67 (2008);
Tennessee: TENN. CODE. ANN. §§ 4-21-1001 – 4-21-1004 (2009).
Utah: UTAH CODE ANN. §§ 78B-6-1401 – 78B-6-1405 (2008)
Washington: Good faith communication to government agency-When agency or attorney general may defend against lawsuit- Costs and fees. WASH. REV. CODE § 4.24.520 (2008).
States with Judicial Doctrine on SLAPPs (No Statute)
West Virginia: There was no evidence of anti-SLAPP bills, but there have been several cases. Webb v. Fury ( 282 S.E.2d 28); Harris v. Adkins (432 S.E.2d 549)
States with Anti-SLAPP Bills (Current or Previous)
Colorado: Colorado's Sixty-third General Assembly's House Bill 02-1192 was introduced in 2002. The bill was read three times, with the third reading effectively stalling the bill.
Connecticut: Connecticut's 1991 Raised Bill 7374 and 1993 House Bill 1026, Senate Bill 182, and Senate Bill 248 all failed.
Kansas: Kansas' 1997 Senate Bill No. 287 was pulled by Senator Clark in March of 1998 because the proposed amendments by the state bar association would have made the bill essentially non-effective.
Michigan: Senate Bill 1195 was introduced in May of 2004. House Bill 4709 was introduced in April 29, 1997 and referred to the Consumer Protection Committee, where a substitute bill was referred to the Judiciary Committee. However, the bill was never taken up by the Judiciary Committee.
New Hampshire: Senate Bill 661 was introduced in 1994. The state senate then requested the state supreme court's opinion whether the bill was consistent with the state constitution. The court responded that it was not. Opinion of the Justices (SLAPP Suit Procedure)(641 A.2d 1012)
New Jersey: New Jersey does not have an anti-SLAP statute, although there were bills introduced in 1998 (Senate Bill No. 745) and in 1996 (Assembly Bill 1545). However, the New Jersey Courts have been sympathetic to those impacted by SLAPPs. As a result, the courts have allowed a defendant who successfully defeats a SLAPP-type suit to seek damages from the SLAPP filer on a claim of malicious use of process.
Texas: Texas has had numerous attempts at passing some type of anti-SLAPP laws. House Bill 1319 passed in the House of Representative, but not the Senate. Another bill passed the House State Affairs Committee, but died for lack of action because there were so many other bills pending at the end of the regular session.
In 1999, House Bill 2488 also failed in the Senate. In 2001 the same bill was reintroduced, but was not reported out of the House Civil Practices Committee. Another anti-SLAPP bill, House Bill 2723 did pass, but was vetoed by the governor on June 17, 2001.
House Bill 2267 was introduced in March 2003. Although the bill was passed out of the House Civil Practices Committee, but did not make it further.
House Bill 329 was cancelled in 2005 by Representative Joe Nixon.
Virginia: Virginia's Senate Bill 424 from 1992 and 1993 failed.
Note: No information on North Carolina was located.
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Look girls. JU is even deficient in submitting his application for expanded service. Isn't this just another indication of his doing things his way (wasn't he declared deficient in building his plant, building it his way?) and his carelessness in doing it?
This is all just my opinion you know, and opinions aren't facts they say, so I'm not spreading made up facts about anyone, but just opinion. Maybe I should have a rubber stamp made with those words.lol
http://images.edocket.azcc.gov/docketpdf/0000095359.pdf
RE: Johnson Utilities, L.L.C. Application for Approval of an Extension of its Certificate of Convenience and Necessity (Docket No. WS-02987A-09-0083)
Insufficiency Letter
Dear Sir:
The application of Johnson Utilities, L.L.C. for an extension of its Certificate of Convenience and Necessity has not met the sufficiency requirements Pursuant to A.A.C R14-2-411(C)(3), Staff may terminate an application if the applicant does not remedy all deficiencies within 60 calendar days of the notice of deficiency.
The Notice of deficiency was recorded on April 13, 2009. That leaves JU one more week to resubmit with the required documents if he hasn't already. Or unless they have extended it, but I don't see a document of record.
GO KRISTI AND BAMBI AND THE OTHER WOMEN WHO PROTESTED.
good night ladies.
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Nobodys Fool wrote: I try to base my opinions on facts. I won't just accept his water as safe. Be sure it's safe. They say you should test it with a kit in the morning when it first comes out of the faucet.
The tables list all violations that the state reported to EPA for Johnson Utilities Water System. Health-based violations are listed first, followed by monitoring, reporting, and other violations. Count them.
http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/sdw_report_v2.first_table?pws_id=AZ0411128&state=AZ&source=Groundwater&population=50148&sys_num=0
http://www.azdeq.gov/pipermail/media/2007-December/000090.html
http://lists.azdeq.gov/environ/water/dw/download/schedule/pinal.pdf (scroll down to page 54, then keep scrolling to view JU.
Coliforms. A Health-based violation by JU.
What are coliforms?
Coliforms are a broad class of bacteria found in our environment, including the feces of man and other warm-blooded animals. The presence of coliform bacteria in drinking water may indicate a possible presence of harmful, disease-causing organisms.
http://www.epa.gov/safewater/contaminants/index.html
Protesting with Water bottles demonstrating the potential health risk of drinking coliform, nitrates, and possibly E.coli from last years spill, is making us aware. We need to know.
Drinking Water Contaminants
Nitrite (measured as Nitrogen) Nitrate (measured as Nitrogen)
Comes from runoff from fertilizer use; leaching from septic tanks, sewage; erosion of natural deposits
Infants below the age of six months who drink water containing nitrite in excess of the MCL could become seriously ill and, if untreated, may die. Symptoms include shortness of breath and blue-baby syndrome.
Then you have the spills into the wash last year, that raised the E.coli level considerably, and lasted for months until finally cleaned up to ADEQ standards. E.coli in drinking water can be fatal.
Then the recent spill in Cambria.
A few violations is understandable. But this many? And, I was told he's had a 125 consumer complaints, in 4 months (Jan.-April). So the question is do we trust him or do we fear he will have a serious problem and not tell us timely enough, as he has done before. Read the JU Report to Florence.
I think I will test my water frequently. And, I will not drink that water, or cook with it. He's untrustworthy in my opinion. My greatest fear is that a problem will occur and he will hide it from us and from the regulatory agencies.
Countless articles in the East Valley news with quotes from customers who say they won't drink JU water as they don't trust him, is reason enough for some to consider his water unsafe.
So if a privatized water company is going to be responsible for my health and safety, I want him regulated to the max., especially with his history of violations. And to play it safe, I won't drink his water.
That is all I have to say about this matter. I am going to take SLAPP's advice.
for safe keeping
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I've been trying to research Bambes problem and found this from Homeland Security's page. I think it comes from 2008. Maybe it will help her case too.
October 28, East Valley Tribune – (Arizona) State: Utility violating rules on sewage
sludge. Johnson Utilities has been burying potentially dangerous sewage sludge near one of its wastewater treatment plants in violation of state rules, according to
environmental regulators. Officials with the Arizona Department of Environmental
Quality (DEQ) showed up at a Johnson Utilities sewage plant in late September on an
unannounced inspection that was launched after an anonymous complaint, according to DEQ records. They found sewage sludge that would fill half a backyard swimming pool.
About 34,713 gallons of the sludge was dumped in various trenches that also held
construction debris. The DEQ last week issued two violation notices and listed 15
separate infractions. The infractions included failure to ensure that the sludge did not
contaminate underground water supplies and failure to test the sludge – also called
biosolids – for contaminates. The utility spilled raw sewage in May in a portion of
Queen Creek Wash, polluting it for several months before it was disinfected.
Source: http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/129140
Here's something else I found, but don't understand what it refers to. Sounds interesting though. Maybe Larsen said something that would benefit bambes case.
http://images.edocket.azcc.gov/docketpdf/0000096858.pdf
We appreciate your forthrightness and your effort to stand up for our right to have clean water. Some ladies and myself from church prayed for you today. We are very thankful that you are fighting for us to have clean water. I hope you stay healthy while you go thru this nightmare.
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I try to base my opinions on facts. I won't just accept his water as safe. Be sure it's safe. They say you should test it with a kit in the morning when it first comes out of the faucet.
The tables list all violations that the state reported to EPA for Johnson Utilities Water System. Health-based violations are listed first, followed by monitoring, reporting, and other violations. Count them.
http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/sdw_report_v2.first_table?pws_id=AZ0411128&state=AZ&source=Groundwater&population=50148&sys_num=0
http://www.azdeq.gov/pipermail/media/2007-December/000090.html
http://lists.azdeq.gov/environ/water/dw/download/schedule/pinal.pdf (scroll down to page 54, then keep scrolling to view JU.
Coliforms. A Health-based violation by JU.
What are coliforms?
Coliforms are a broad class of bacteria found in our environment, including the feces of man and other warm-blooded animals. The presence of coliform bacteria in drinking water may indicate a possible presence of harmful, disease-causing organisms.
http://www.epa.gov/safewater/contaminants/index.html
Protesting with Water bottles demonstrating the potential health risk of drinking coliform, nitrates, and possibly E.coli from last years spill, is making us aware. We need to know.
Drinking Water Contaminants
Nitrite (measured as Nitrogen) Nitrate (measured as Nitrogen)
Comes from runoff from fertilizer use; leaching from septic tanks, sewage; erosion of natural deposits
Infants below the age of six months who drink water containing nitrite in excess of the MCL could become seriously ill and, if untreated, may die. Symptoms include shortness of breath and blue-baby syndrome.
Then you have the spills into the wash last year, that raised the E.coli level considerably, and lasted for months until finally cleaned up to ADEQ standards. E.coli in drinking water can be fatal.
Then the recent spill in Cambria.
A few violations is understandable. But this many? And, I was told he's had a 125 consumer complaints, in 4 months (Jan.-April). So the question is do we trust him or do we fear he will have a serious problem and not tell us timely enough, as he has done before. Read the JU Report to Florence.
I think I will test my water frequently. And, I will not drink that water, or cook with it. He's untrustworthy in my opinion. My greatest fear is that a problem will occur and he will hide it from us and from the regulatory agencies.
Countless articles in the East Valley news with quotes from customers who say they won't drink JU water as they don't trust him, is reason enough for some to consider his water unsafe.
So if a privatized water company is going to be responsible for my health and safety, I want him regulated to the max., especially with his history of violations. And to play it safe, I won't drink his water.
That is all I have to say about this matter. I am going to take SLAPP's advice.
Last edited on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 01:22 am by Nobodys Fool
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Nobodys Fool wrote: But if the Constitution allows you to express a viewpoint symbolically by burning the American Flag, isn't labeling water bottles a symbolic demonstration? Of 100 prior violations of unsafe drinking water? Seems trivial comparatively. B. says the media called it false and misleading (CYA), not the protesters. I think it was meant as a wake up call and to get the customers attention; the ones he appreciates but don't know the truth. I understand many of those customers at his event were unaware of any of JU violations or history. They are now, thanks to those women. They now know to be aware of JU past history of cutting corners at our expense (installing 35 hp pumps instead of 75 hp. as required by ADEQ). And to think twice before consuming the water. And to check with EPA and ADEQ for status reports.
B.'s granddaughter, who's mother consumed this water at the time she was pregnant with her during this time(the reason B. became involved in this protest in the first place), is now in and out of the hospital. May be a birth defect. When sucking on the bottle, some of the fluids go into her lungs, instead of her stomach, causing constant pneumonia. She's not even a year old yet, and coughs like a long term cigarette smoker. They are still researching it. You can imagine where B.'s thoughts keep going.
But in B.'s opinion, no wrong was committed at that peaceful protest against anyone. Just public messages to heighten everyone's awareness of a public figure and institution run by a corporation that serves the public, including his violations. Full disclosure of facts is not against the law.
Let's support B and K. all the way as they protested for our benefit. It was them who took on the risk and now the consequences, bringing awareness to others, and are now being punished for it. The trial is in Sept. and that's just around the corner. Our Freedom of Speech is being attacked and is under seige. Let's defend it. Otherwise, these corporations will continue their attempt at privatizing free speech.
SLAPP VICTIM RESOURCES:
SLAPP VICTIM SUPPORT GROUP EMAIL LIST
SLAPSUIT.ORG
SLAPP NEWS:
Blogs Can Get Insurance Clients 'SLAPP'ed! *** a must read!!
Veranda Partners Fails to Show for Hearing in SLAPP Suit
Anti-SLAPP Blog
Getting SLAPP-ed around by Trendmaker Homes
Technology & Marketing Law Blog
Online Liability Blog
Barry King and another Internet poster, as defendants, won a SLAPP brought by corporate plaintiffs based on critical posts on an Internet financial message board. Case: Global Telemedia v. Does
http://www.citmedialaw.org/threats/global-telemedia-international-v-does-1-4
Im not an md but i know a person who lives out here [and posts on this board] whose son was born with the exact same problem. he had an underdeveloped apiglottis and is 2.5 now an perfectly healty. it is a very common birth problem and with care and attention usually turns out okay.
the water out here is safe....if it isnt then the ADEQ and EPA need to be held accountable and they need to investigate. im not saying johnson isnt doing what you are saying or what bambi allleges im just saying lets be objective. i have been dringking the water out here for a long time and im fine....well mostly
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Let me get this right. Her daughterinlaw (or daughter?)consumed JU water before and during the spills and other violations, while pregnant? And the granddaughter now has a birth defect? What is the medical opinion? I take it you know Bambi. I would advise her to drop the per se and hire an attorney, as well as her daughterinlaw. Also, avoid discussing this anymore except with an attorney. If you have her email address, I will email her a list of attorneys that would be more than happy to SLAPP this Corporation. Tell her that she has a good case from what has been disclosed thus far and not to stress.
JB
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But if the Constitution allows you to express a viewpoint symbolically by burning the American Flag, isn't labeling water bottles a symbolic demonstration? Of 100 prior violations of unsafe drinking water? Seems trivial comparatively. B. says the media called it false and misleading (CYA), not the protesters. I think it was meant as a wake up call and to get the customers attention; the ones he appreciates but don't know the truth. I understand many of those customers at his event were unaware of any of JU violations or history. They are now, thanks to those women. They now know to be aware of JU past history of cutting corners at our expense (installing 35 hp pumps instead of 75 hp. as required by ADEQ). And to think twice before consuming the water. And to check with EPA and ADEQ for status reports.
B.'s granddaughter, who's mother consumed this water at the time she was pregnant with her during this time(the reason B. became involved in this protest in the first place), is now in and out of the hospital. May be a birth defect. When sucking on the bottle, some of the fluids go into her lungs, instead of her stomach, causing constant pneumonia. She's not even a year old yet, and coughs like a long term cigarette smoker. They are still researching it. You can imagine where B.'s thoughts keep going.
But in B.'s opinion, no wrong was committed at that peaceful protest against anyone. Just public messages to heighten everyone's awareness of a public figure and institution run by a corporation that serves the public, including his violations. Full disclosure of facts is not against the law.
Let's support B and K. all the way as they protested for our benefit. It was them who took on the risk and now the consequences, bringing awareness to others, and are now being punished for it. The trial is in Sept. and that's just around the corner. Our Freedom of Speech is being attacked and is under seige. Let's defend it. Otherwise, these corporations will continue their attempt at privatizing free speech.
SLAPP VICTIM RESOURCES:
SLAPP VICTIM SUPPORT GROUP EMAIL LIST
SLAPSUIT.ORG
SLAPP NEWS:
Blogs Can Get Insurance Clients 'SLAPP'ed! *** a must read!!
Veranda Partners Fails to Show for Hearing in SLAPP Suit
Anti-SLAPP Blog
Getting SLAPP-ed around by Trendmaker Homes
Technology & Marketing Law Blog
Online Liability Blog
Barry King and another Internet poster, as defendants, won a SLAPP brought by corporate plaintiffs based on critical posts on an Internet financial message board. Case: Global Telemedia v. Does
http://www.citmedialaw.org/threats/global-telemedia-international-v-does-1-4
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MurphysLaw wrote: conspirator_prime wrote: ok....new here...a friend told me to take a look and wow...
i dont' want to enflame anyone so i'm just playing devils advocate....
wouldnt the bad thing that was done to johsnson refer to the water bottles that were full of "fake" water? isnt that slanderous--it makes a claim that isnt true against an individual.
DONT ATTACK LIKE RABID BULLDOGS, i'm just asking a question as a new observer
for the record i've lived in the phx area for a long time and all the water stinks...it just stinks that we have to pay more out here!
Actually, if you read the comments about ACLU's legal forms of protest, it states that You can say offensive things about a group of people or an institution;
An institution can be a corporation, according to the dictionary
It sounds like the water bottles were aimed at making a point about a corporation, JU, not an individual, GJ. So, unless the labels made specific comments about GJ, wouldn't that again fall under a legal form of protest and not slander against an individual? Just thinking out loud here.
our midns are coming together.....didn't the bottles have GJ on them: The lawsuit says that the women used the Web site to “publicize that they intended to protest (Johnson Utilities) at the event, to disseminate water bottles bearing false and misleading labels, to wear gas masks and to carry baby dolls dyed blue.”
if that is the case then i would say it is libalous, you can say things about a group of people or institution...if they are true.
agian. dont attack...im just thkning out loud
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By the way, here is the case for the Rhode Island woman. Use it in your answer as you should refer to cases that back up your allegations. Otherwise, it's just heresay. This seems to be a lawsuit over the first amendment. Free Speech is the issue. Not who spoke it or who protested or how they protested. It's about the right to protest and speak out.
Hometown Properties, Inc. v. Fleming
Supreme Court of Rhode Island, 1996 (680 A.2d 56)
The court upholds the constitutionality of the state's anti-SLAPP statute as amended in 1995 (General Laws, sections 9-33-1 through 9-33-4). Fleming, who lived near a landfill, communicated with various state and federal officials, alleging that the landfill was responsible for contamination of groundwater. The owners of the landfill sued, claiming that Fleming's communications constituted tortious interference with contractual relations and defamation. The Supreme Court agreed the suit was a SLAPP and ordered it dismissed.
Try using the following in your request for summary judgment. It will work.
George Johnson, representing his corporation Johnson Utilities, is a public figure. He has put himself into the public's domain via various media outlets, thru his prior actions and violations. Now he has become libel proof, because his reputation has been tainted thru prior publications. The Plaintiff's reputation (George J.) is now already so damaged that he cannot recover for subsequent statements made about him. You are just repeating what you read, observed or heard.
This is just a bullying technique, to force you to suffer till you bow. Don't fall for it. Study up on cases if you are filing pro se, and quote them in your Summary Judgement. That will hasten things up for you. There is no law prohibiting public participation in expression of your Constitutional Rights. The plaintiff has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, that your statements were false, with reckless disregard for the truth. Yet, to intimidate you, they would have you believe those laws exist. It is just an attempt to silence you.
I wish you success and hope this has helped you with your case.
JB
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It's not the womens fault. Its the one who filed the lawsuit that is bringing this on. Using it to pit neighbor against neighbor; brother against brother; without hardly lifting a finger, in hopes they will wear down. Don't let it happen. Keep fighting this together. Arizona is not an anti-SLAPP state, but is sensitive to the defendants plight. This Company looks like it is just trying to censor the women for criticizing their operations. Unfortunately, these corporations have the will and the money to drag these women through years of harrassment. Take notice of the Rhode Island case listed below. I think these women have a basis to compare.
Thousands of SLAPPs have been filed in the last two decades, tens of thousands of Americans have been SLAPPed, and still more have been muted or silenced by the threat. Buy this book to learn more: " Slapps: Getting Sued for Speaking out. " But I wouldn't suggest outing or fighting about this online. Discuss it but don't fight, point fingers, or belittle. Unite. Just imagine them sitting back, reading your fighting words against each other, laughing as you punish one another instead of them.
What has been discovered is that SLAPP targets who fight back, seldom lose in court yet are frequently devastated and depoliticized and end up discouraging others from speaking out--'chilled'. Some suffer emotional breakdowns or enter a crisis because they spent all their savings & years defending themselves. Support them. They need it.
The longer the litigation can be stretched out . . . the closer this Corporation your fighting, moves to success. So stick together and try to see this through as one unit of citizens in your town, not as a splinter group. If everyone was in the protest together, then everyone should be together to fight this corporation's intrusion into your lives. You have to have the emotional stamina together to see this "game" of theirs through, otherwise you will end up defaulting to these SLAPP Happy Corporations, as they bring you to your knees to settle. And attempt to take everything you have worked for all your life, shifting those earnings into their bank accounts.
Come together. Don't be SLAPPED into submission.
Some Examples of Corporate Censorship Lawsuits
- In Las Vegas, a local doctor was sued over his allegations that a city hospital violated the state's hospital cost containment law.
- In Baltimore, members of a local community group faced a $52 million lawsuit after circulating a letter questioning the property-buying practices of a local housing developer.
- In West Virginia, an environmental activist faced a $200,000 lawsuit for criticizing a coal mining company's activities that were poisoning a local river.
- In Pennsylvania, a farmer was sued after testifying to his township supervisors that a low-flying helicopter owned by a local landfill operator caused a stampede that killed several of his cows.
- In Washington state, a homeowner found that she couldn't get a mortgage because her real estate company had failed to pay taxes owed on her house. She uncovered hundreds of similar cases, and the company was forced to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in back taxes. In retaliation, it dragged her through six years of legal harassment before a jury finally found her innocent of slander.
- In Rhode Island, a resident of North Kingstown wrote a letter complaining about contamination of the local drinking water from a nearby landfill and spent the next five years defending herself against the landfill owner's attorneys, who charged her with "defamation" and "interference with prospective business contracts."
- In South Carolina, an animal rights activist was sued for $4 million after writing a letter to an obscure research journal protesting an Austrian company's plans to use chimpanzees in hepatitis research.
- In Missouri, a high school English teacher was hit with a $1 million libel suit after complaining to a weekly newspaper that an incerator burning hospital waste was a health hazard.
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conspirator_prime wrote: ok....new here...a friend told me to take a look and wow...
i dont' want to enflame anyone so i'm just playing devils advocate....
wouldnt the bad thing that was done to johsnson refer to the water bottles that were full of "fake" water? isnt that slanderous--it makes a claim that isnt true against an individual.
DONT ATTACK LIKE RABID BULLDOGS, i'm just asking a question as a new observer
for the record i've lived in the phx area for a long time and all the water stinks...it just stinks that we have to pay more out here!
no that would not be slanderous. The judge just released the report from when TOF was going to purchase JU. The report showed higher than acceptable nitrates( I believe it was) in it. (fecal matter) All these women done was to post things and their posters were labled with everything that came off EPA, AZDEQ websites, mentioned recent spills as well. Therefore there was no libel or slander in anything they all done while protesting.
It is such a da** shame that any of them are going through this mess. They are all good people who stood up for everyone out here.
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conspirator_prime wrote: ok....new here...a friend told me to take a look and wow...
i dont' want to enflame anyone so i'm just playing devils advocate....
wouldnt the bad thing that was done to johsnson refer to the water bottles that were full of "fake" water? isnt that slanderous--it makes a claim that isnt true against an individual.
DONT ATTACK LIKE RABID BULLDOGS, i'm just asking a question as a new observer
for the record i've lived in the phx area for a long time and all the water stinks...it just stinks that we have to pay more out here!
From what I read in the lawsuit and heard thru the grapevine, the bottles of dirty water are what inflamed Johnson in the first place. I think he just threw all the rest of it into the mix, maybe in hopes that at least one of the charges would stick.
I understand that the resident who made those water bottles is in hiding and blaming it on those who are held captive. B. didn't make them, but she was aware of them being made. She didn't attend the event either because she was sun sick from the channel 3 interview held in 112 degree temp. Of course, those other 2 in hiding, think that she faked it and probably set up the whole thing. Maybe that's why they are trying to destroy her character online. I don't know who it is as B. won't reveal it to me, but she's out there somewhere, waiting I guess for the B. and K. to be put through the wringer and convicted for her actions. Then she may come out when it's safe for her to do so. Sorry, but that really irks me.
But if you know who she is or where she lives, ask her to explain herself to the courts to take some of this load off of these two women. Turn herself in, along with GG, to share the charges and give more credibility to the cause. 4 women being sued will gain alot more support than 2. And ask them to quit sabotaging her efforts on here to reach the public and gain support. GG pm'd a very liabelous post about B. on here and about her daughter. It was deleted. But she looks like she's trying to make B. look bad and corrupt, so people will think B. is guilty and capable of pulling this off alone. Amazing how brazen one can be when they are safe and out of the line of fire.
B. is appealing to the ACC now, asking them if they would ask JU to drop the charges against all the women. If not, she said, then how will the ACC explain to future residents out here after the next spill, why they failed to inform those potential customers of JU's many violations, in the builders public report. And to disclose to them that this Private Utility Provider and Developer/Corporation, is owned and operated by a very volatile person, with a long history of violations for his water and sewer operations, and has a propensity to sue a customer for speaking out against his corporation. They should have to disclose all of these violations and behaviors to any future potential customers of JU, whether it be in the public report or a public/private notice to them, so they can decide whether or not they want to be served by a company with that type of history and character running it.
If those women are convicted, it will set a precedent and everyone will fear him and his company and will never be able to complain about poor service for fear of being sued. Kind of like it is now. Maybe a mass move of residents AWAY from the area is in order. I told her she should check with P and Z to see who is applying for Subdivison Approval, contact that builder to let him know you plan on protesting in front of his model complex about all the violations by JU against his customers. See how they respond.
I just don't understand why the courts don't see that it is a frivilous lawsuit and dismiss it. Why put these women thru all of this when it is so obvious.
Hope we can count on your support.
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conspirator_prime wrote: ok....new here...a friend told me to take a look and wow...
i dont' want to enflame anyone so i'm just playing devils advocate....
wouldnt the bad thing that was done to johsnson refer to the water bottles that were full of "fake" water? isnt that slanderous--it makes a claim that isnt true against an individual.
DONT ATTACK LIKE RABID BULLDOGS, i'm just asking a question as a new observer
for the record i've lived in the phx area for a long time and all the water stinks...it just stinks that we have to pay more out here!
Actually, if you read the comments about ACLU's legal forms of protest, it states that You can say offensive things about a group of people or an institution;
An institution can be a corporation, according to the dictionary
It sounds like the water bottles were aimed at making a point about a corporation, JU, not an individual, GJ. So, unless the labels made specific comments about GJ, wouldn't that again fall under a legal form of protest and not slander against an individual? Just thinking out loud here.
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ok....new here...a friend told me to take a look and wow...
i dont' want to enflame anyone so i'm just playing devils advocate....
wouldnt the bad thing that was done to johsnson refer to the water bottles that were full of "fake" water? isnt that slanderous--it makes a claim that isnt true against an individual.
DONT ATTACK LIKE RABID BULLDOGS, i'm just asking a question as a new observer
for the record i've lived in the phx area for a long time and all the water stinks...it just stinks that we have to pay more out here!
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It's been on and off the forum since they were served. Especially when another spill occurs or JU is in the news. It tends to open old wounds.
People won't become involved because they fear the same thing will happen to them. A lawsuit by one who controls your water quality can have a chilling effect on the entire community.
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Nobodys Fool wrote: Christa_Rizzi wrote: You have got to be kidding..
What do they hope to accomplish with a lawsuit?
Christa Rizzi
Arizona State University journalism professor Stephen Doig said the lawsuit could affect the willingness of residents to publicly talk about the issue. “All of a sudden that can be a chilling effect when a process server hits a (citizen) with a lawsuit.”
Maybe to teach the consumer a lesson in Court, so the next consumer will take notice?
Wear them down by introducing more stress in their lives? This has been going on now for over a year, and it's taken it's toll on Bambi and I'm sure Kristi too. They're bearing this heavy burden alone, emotionally, physically and financially.
Sounds like it's long over due to get people involved ..
Has it been on the forum all this time or just recently come out?
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Christa_Rizzi wrote: You have got to be kidding..
What do they hope to accomplish with a lawsuit?
Christa Rizzi
Arizona State University journalism professor Stephen Doig said the lawsuit could affect the willingness of residents to publicly talk about the issue. “All of a sudden that can be a chilling effect when a process server hits a (citizen) with a lawsuit.”
Maybe to teach the consumer a lesson in Court, so the next consumer will take notice?
Wear them down by introducing more stress in their lives? This has been going on now for over a year, and it's taken it's toll on Bambi and I'm sure Kristi too. They're bearing this heavy burden alone, emotionally, physically and financially.
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You have got to be kidding..
What do they hope to accomplish with a lawsuit?
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For the record. I am not Char Wester.
So count me in as a supporter of these women and their rights to free expression. Other than the Webmaster, nobody's going to send me a script of acceptable comments and make me conform to their rules and what they want or don't want discussed. That's what they're doing in Iran That's censorship. I'm drawing an analogy here. And getting a little dramatic too I think. Must suppress myself before others suppress me.lol.
For the record again: I can write, analyze and compare all I want, as long as I stay within the confines of the WB's rules and regs. and the Constitution's guidelines of Free Speech. I will stick to the issue and not attack a posters personality traits and will refrain from personal criticism of them. No scripts for me thank you. I'm allowed to have my own ideology and be spontaneous in this country, without being asked to conform to edicts based on other's ideologies. The same applies to these women. They can express a viewpoint symbolically if they choose. And they exercised that right. I won't speak for the JU protesters who are hiding out, absent of support for their fellow protesters. Some are sitting back comfortably, degrading them and making false accusations of their fellow protesters in anonymity and secret. Maybe to take the heat off of themselves in hopes JU will stop looking for them. He won't. And the truth about who did what and who planned what will all come out under oath.
JU is wrong in my opinion, and does not have a case as some have said he does. Not if you read the first post about legal forms of protest anyway. It looks like all those items they are being sued for are allowed as props. Posters, fliers, protesting on public sidewalks and streets, waterbottles, masks, dolls, costumes. JU is an institution. And you're allowed to say offensive things to institutions, which are corporations. Its out there, and so is George, so he is a public figure. You can legally picket him too, on the public land in front of his offices, under Pinal Sheriff's guidelines. He does have a corporate attorney, so he might sue you for it, but it's legal.
This thread is good information. Great contributions of good information for these issues we are having with JU and free speech. I think I will send it to the Arizona Corporation Commissioners for them to read and digest about the overseer -er of our health and welfare out here. George Johnson overseeing his plant and making sure we consume safe water and safe sewage treatment. Up a notch and that overseer er will be the ACC overseeing George, to guarantee us he will oversee his operations and provide us with safe drinking water and safe sewage treatment processes, according to ADEQ standards. Not his standards. We have already experienced his standards in my opinion and they have brought us nothing but violation after violation, fear, coupled with intimidation if you speak out about his violations or other methods of practice. That's what's not allowed. And that's the issue we are focused on.
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Nobodys Fool wrote:
There were 3 members on here that asked the webmaster to delete and I was one of them. I'm the culprit. Now write something about my personality. Stop blaming her. You're just guessing.
These women are experiencing alot of trauma and depression, as the trial date draws nigh. Don't ruin it for them please as we look for support, by diminishing them in the eyes of the public thru your innuendos on these topics for their behalf. If the way to stop this is for her to never post again, then ask that of her. She may never post again on here anyway, after this. Or ask her not to be dramatic. Or ask her to not use certain words. Or ask her to not bring up certain issues. Or ask her to rejuvenate herself because she's too old. In fact, why don't you just pm her a script you want her to follow.
Let's Stay on this Topic, asking for support for Bambi and Kristi. IF you're not here to support them, then leave the topic.
I'm with you NF. I stand in support of these women, seeing I'm one too. ha ha. I've gone thru the threads and read alot of the topics and posts Bambi has made (can't find Kristi's) and I think she's an asset to this forum, drama and all. Who cares how she writes. It's the content that counts. And that Real Estate topic she started. 16,000 posts? That's alot of information and a lot of effort expended.
We support you Kristi and Bambi. We're here to help you get through this.
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There were 3 members on here that asked the webmaster to delete and I was one of them. I'm the culprit. You won't see some of those posters anymore either, after their character attacks on B., what you call questioning what B. wrote. No questions; just attacks, like the WB said. Now write something about my personality. Attack me for my words. Stop blaming her. Focus on the issues, not the individual. You're just guessing.
These women are experiencing alot of trauma and depression, as the trial date draws nigh. Don't ruin it for them please as we look for support, by diminishing them in the eyes of the public thru your innuendos on these topics for their behalf. If the way to stop this is for her to never post again, then ask that of her. She may never post again on here anyway, after this. Or ask her not to be dramatic. Or ask her to not use certain words. Or ask her to not bring up certain issues. Or ask her to rejuvinate herself because she's too old. In fact, why don't you just pm her a script you want her to follow.
Let's Stay on this Topic, asking for support for Bambi and Kristi. IF you're not here to support them, then leave the topic.
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LarryKingLive wrote: I think the reason it is deleted was due to the fact some people tend to have foot in mouth disease...
They tend to say a little to much, and then when someone questions what they have written, they get writers remorse and go cry to the webmaster asking to delete the post.
I would venture to say that is a fair observation.
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You don't have to answer that Larry. I got my answers. I'm satisfied.
I will continue to support both of them.
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LarryKingLive wrote: I think the reason it is deleted was due to the fact some people tend to have foot in mouth disease...
They tend to say a little to much, and then when someone questions what they have written, they get writers remorse and go cry to the webmaster asking to delete the post.
I'm not sure what you mean. Who said too much and what is too much? The whole topic was deleted, not a post. Who cried to the Webmaster? Here's what the webmaster said.
From the webmaster: Based on a complaint from a forum member, we have removed the topic Johnson Utilities vs. Bambi and other residents.
Nobody other than the registered members and visitors to the Public Forum monitor the postings. The webmaster team can only react to complaints about specific postings.
Remember to keep your postings focused on the issue, not the individual. It is all right to disagree with other Members, but you can do this without criticizing the individual. If you steadfastly refrain from personal criticism, it makes it less likely that others will criticize you personally.
Please click here and especially note FAQ #5, 6 and 10.
What was the webmasters grounds for deleting the topic if the violations were un warranted? I read the FAQ and it says they won't delete anything unless they agree that its in violation. So who violated and what was the violation? You said that someone questioned what was written. What did they say or what was their question?
I'm sorry, but if I am going to support these SunTanValley Women, I want to make sure they are worth supporting.
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I think the reason it is deleted was due to the fact some people tend to have foot in mouth disease...
They tend to say a little to much, and then when someone questions what they have written, they get writers remorse and go cry to the webmaster asking to delete the post.
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From the ACLU's legally protected forms of Protest:
*You can say offensive things about a group of people or an institution;
An institution can be a corporation, according to the dictionary.
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Why is the Topic Bambi vs Johnson Utilities deleted?
I googled Bambis name and came up with this. Looks like Bambi and Kristi are the only ones speaking out and supporting us out here. Where are the rest of those protestors? Hiding out? What are they doing for us and for these two women? Law suits are traumatic.
I want Safe Water. I want lower Rates. I want to be able to speak out too if he spills raw sewage in our water table or if his rates are too high. Will I be sued too if I do? Do I have to be afraid of him? Something is not right here. Look at all the supporting comments for these women.
Me and My Family Support you Bambi and Kristi.
Legally Protected Forms of Protest
While direct orders given by police at a particular action may contradict what the law theoretically allows us to do, it is useful to have some idea of what is legal protest and what is not. Police response may vary depending on context, location, and the people involved. Demonstrators are often faced with the difficult choice of obeying unjust police orders and having their rights violated, or defying illegitimate police orders, facing arrest and seeking vindication through court proceedings. The introductory information offered below is based on a handout from the Central NY chapter of the NY Civil Liberties Union and is not comprehensive.
**You can assemble, picket, or hand out leaflets or flyers at public places (parks, sidewalks, city hall steps, etc.). However, you cannot legally blockade a building, preventing others from entering or exiting, or impede vehicular or pedestrian traffic.
Certain public venues may require advanced notice or permits for large gatherings or for specific types of events – such as those using sound amplification. If you want to be absolutely sure that your event is legal, it is always a good idea to check with local law enforcement officials.
*You can say offensive things about a group of people or an institution; however, you cannot walk up to a member of that group or supporter and engage in a personal verbal attack.
You can use or misuse the American flag in a protest; it is protected symbolic free speech.
What other types of free speech activity are constitutionally protected?
The First Amendment covers all forms of communication including music,
theater, film and dance. The Constitution also protects actions that symbolically
express a viewpoint. Examples of these symbolic forms of speech include
wearing masks and costumes or holding a candlelight vigil.
So, Why are These Women Being Sued if They Were Within Their Legal Rights To Protest? Isn't this Frivolous?
Johnson sues 2 San Tan women for defamation
Sarah J. Boggan, Jason Massad, Tribune
June 27, 2008 - 11:32PM
UNSAFE WATER: Water sits at the bottom of Queen Creek Wash outside the Johnson Utilities water reclamation plant on June 17. A sign posted on a fence blocking access to the wash warns of the presence of E. coli in the water in the wash in Pinal County near Queen Creek.
Tribune File
Santan-area residents who have challenged developer George Johnson on the safety of their water and sewer are being sued by his company for defamation.
Residents to protest Johnson Utilities event
Raw sewage spill irks Pinal residents
Pinal County residents Bambi Sandquist and Kristi Fisher were named in a lawsuit filed by Johnson Utilities this week in Pinal County Superior Court. They are accused in the lawsuit of posting defamatory statements about Johnson Utilities on http://www.newszap.com. The Web forum is run by Independent Newspapers of Arizona, which publishes the Queen Creek Independent newspaper.
*Their postings were in regard to recent sewage spills from a Johnson Utilities facility that health officials say pose a public health hazard. State environmental and regulatory agencies are investigating the spills.
*Sandquist posted that Johnson should pay restitution to people in the spill area, lower his water rates, which are some of the highest in the state, and require his utility to be regularly audited.
**The lawsuit alleges Sandquist and Fisher posted pointed comments on the community Web site forum and helped organize a protest of a company “customer appreciation” event by carrying water bottles containing mock contaminated water, hoisting protest signs and distributing fliers to attendees.
The lawsuit says that the women used the Web site to “publicize that they intended to protest (Johnson Utilities) at the event, to disseminate water bottles bearing false and misleading labels, to wear gas masks and to carry baby dolls dyed blue.”
Sandquist is also accused in the lawsuit of slandering the company during a recent local news broadcast about the spills that spewed more than 10,000 gallons of raw sewage into Queen Creek Wash and the nearby Pecan Creek development. To illustrate her concern for potential harm to the company’s more than 20,000 customers, Sandquist placed a gas mask on a baby doll for the cameras.
“Is this so bad that we have to put gas masks on our children?” Sandquist asked in an interview Friday.
Sandquist said she was surprised by the lawsuit. She didn’t think company owner Johnson would “go after the little guy.”
Fisher could not be reached for comment Friday.
Arizona State University journalism professor Stephen Doig said the lawsuit treads on new territory.
“What can be said on blogs and boards hasn’t been litigated heavily,” Doig said. “There’s a world of trouble for people who don’t understand that when they make potentially libelous utterances on the Internet they can be held liable.”
As a public figure, Scottsdale developer Johnson would have a high burden of proof that his reputation has been stained by an effort to deliberately spread untruths on the Internet, he said.
The lawsuit could affect the willingness of residents to publicly talk about the issue, Doig said.
“All it takes is a hundred dollars to file a lawsuit,” he said. “All of a sudden that can be a chilling effect when a process server hits a (citizen) with a lawsuit.”
Sandquist said her comments on the Internet forum and the television news segment are protected under the First Amendment, and after recent problems with the utilties, residents have rallied to get answers.
Sandquist is encouraging her neighbors to attend an Arizona Corporation Commission meeting next week where commissioners are reviewing an application to expand the area where Johnson Utilities provides water and wastewater service.
Johnson has come under fire from ACC members who have expressed concern that the utility has spilled sewage and that it failed to build certain parts of its infrastructure to state environmental specifications.
Commissioner Bill Mundell said they will take public comments on the issue.
Johnson Utilities Vice President Brian Tompsett could not be reached for comment Friday.
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Residents to protest Johnson Utilities event
Raw sewage spill irks Pinal residents
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teachingaz wrote:
ok class, today's word of the day is "bully"
6/28/2008 1:44:54 AM
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onethought wrote:
The ladies, right or wrong, have the right to express their opinions. Mr. Johnson, if you want to be a big shot in the public eye, there are always going to be people who don't like you. Your parents should have taught you that when you were growing up. Suing them just makes you look like you have something to hide.
6/28/2008 5:45:03 AM
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silentshooter wrote:
Well the Johnson Utilities water does taste bad and I don't use it for drinking or cooking, and the bills are triple what I paid for in Tucson. Put me on the jury for a not guilty vote for the women.
6/28/2008 7:32:56 AM
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bigazonie wrote:
Can Mr Johnson explain why the drainage area under the control of his company was in such a sorry state 5 years ago?
He can try to bully his way through the deep doo-doo he is in (pun intended) but the problem existed way before the women he's suing got into the fray.
He is tossing frag grenades at all standing in his way (of getting HIS way !). He is a Spoiled despoiler of the desert and neighborhoods!
The AZ Corp. Commission has had a real checkered history, but this is one time they can come out looking like heroes.
The area in question is right next to (or near) the new Hospital site at Combs and Ironwood/Gantzel.
This is a matter of neighborhood health and also one of a PUBLIC health issue.
Has an EPA soil study been conducted on the affected site?
Suggest this be a mandatory requirement BEFORE the AZ CC rules and before the Hospital breaks ground.
6/28/2008 7:58:38 AM
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rightly wrote:
Women are protected under Freedom of Speech. Scare tactics used to cover up investigations of wrong doing on utilites part. Don't let this bully move affect you finding the whole truth about the situation! Residents need to keep asking questions and be agressively persistant in order to ensure the quality of water will not caused long term health issues, like what happened in Scottsdale. Shocking that an ASU journalism professor Stephen Doig (who should be praising freedom of speech) is warning residents to be quiet. What a hypocrite! I wonder what his ties are to Johnson Utilities and where he resides? Be very cautious of the ACC they have perfected the dog and pony show having to deal with SRP's fiascos in the past. Do not trust anyone! Hire INDEPENDENT investigators to research both Johnson Utilities and history of ACC decisions! Say nothing accept everything. Power in numbers keep fighting for accountable answers and actions which need to ensure the cleanliness of the water. I'm sure someone at San Tan Flats can help guide you through the process.
6/28/2008 8:17:21 AM
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defender wrote:
SLANDER - A false defamation (expressed in spoken words, signs, or gestures) which injures the character or reputation of the person defamed; distinguished from libel.
The defaming a man in his reputation by speaking or writing words which affect his life, office, or trade, or which tend to his loss of preferment in marriage or service, or in his inheritance, or which occasion any other particular damage.
so it comes down to that if they made an false comments at all they are screwed they better have proof of everything they wrote or said and prood it is true or they are screwd according to the law
6/28/2008 9:09:03 AM
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ejgausa wrote:
Defender you are only partially right, johnson utilities is a government type agency, therefore it is much harder to commit libel, slander, or defamation of character, if they made these statements against a person then they may be guilty, in this case I dont see a problem, ladies fight, fight, fight, contact A.C.L.U, contact the arizona institute for justice contact all the civil rights lawyers you can, do not give up you are not only fighting for yourselves but many others.
6/28/2008 9:51:54 AM
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ten16one0one wrote:
Johnson Utilities sucks...their prices are ridiculous and when my ice maker makes ice from the liquid passed off as water, the ice stinks. I will not drink the water even if i may be imminently dying of thirst. All possible violations of environmental policy and codes aside, the above is reason enough for something to be done. When I pay a premium price for anything, I expect to get a premium product and I do not. Johnson utilities is a huge factor in my choice of location for a new house (I do not want to be forced to pay their near-extortionist rates on a long term basis). It may be also a factor for other home buyers who have experience with them. Take it like a man, Johnson! You can't get away with charging a premium price for a substandard product forever - especially if it is discovered that any or all allegations you face are true!
6/28/2008 10:24:28 AM
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kvnhlstd wrote:
Well Ladies when you chase after the big dog on the block yapping like a poodle, don't be suprised when he turns around and bites you... Wonder how your husbands feel about losing their homes and livelihood too what amounts as neighorhood gossip.
6/28/2008 10:26:29 AM
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ten16one0one wrote:
That's what's supposed to be the great thing about our society is that the yap-er has to do significant harm to the yap-ee in order for there to be any founded suit. Not sure if that's the case here but NOBODY should ever be intimidated into keeping quiet when they know they should speak out... as long as we have the 1st amendment.
6/28/2008 10:33:03 AM

kvnhlstd wrote:
Just be sure you are yapping the absolute "TRUTH". Not what you all decide to be the truth over a starbucks coffee with your girlfriends
6/28/2008 10:44:19 AM
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ejgausa wrote:
kvnhlstd, if you had to yap the absolute truth as you put it, there would be more civil trials than this, that is what the court decides in a civil case proponderance of the evidence, there is no absolute truth about it there is some room to work with, especially with the first amendment freedom of speech, get your facts straight, well maybe not because even you have a right to freedom of speech.
6/28/2008 11:44:35 AM
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ejgausa wrote:
spelled preponderance, look it up and as far as these ladies yapping like poodles from everything i am reading and hearing they are in this fight to the end, and i am confident they will win, ladies thank you, i would help but i am in a fight of my own right now, that does not matter you have more support than you know about.
6/28/2008 11:53:58 AM
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kvnhlstd wrote:
Its not about pre-ponderance of truth... its about the integerity of the person's involved, you are what's wrong with our legal system... you throw accusations at the wall and see what sticks, or should I say PAYS!!!! Bottom line the first amendment gives you the right to say what you want, it does not guarantee that you will not beheld accountable for what you say. If I was a betting man I would venture that a man as rich as Johnson probably hired a team of lawyers to research, test, and document everything these ladies have oraly vomitted. I am sure they have a great case.
P.S. I have more time in the courtroom than you have on the toilet.
6/28/2008 2:50:55 PM
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ejgausa wrote:
kvnhlstd, obviously you have had no time in court, criminal law is based on reasonable doubt, civil law is based on preponderance of the evidence, and you never bet in a court of law that sets you up for failure, you prepare and understand everything you are dealing with,this will be my last post as i am wasting my time, i have to prepare a case.
6/28/2008 3:42:47 PM
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kvnhlstd wrote:
Yea I bet your a lawyer, one that cannot cap an I once... Thanks for proving that our lawyers in america do not care about the truth, they only care about preponderance... and yes you are correct my background is in crim law "enforcement".
6/28/2008 5:42:32 PM
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yappypoodle wrote:
Wait...WHAT??? You question our integrity, kvn? Do you know any of us? You think we're looking for a payout? What a long, tiring and expensive way to go about it! You think we're a bunch of bored housewives looking for a way to finance our Louis Vuitton habits? If you wonder what our husbands think of what has been done...you should have asked them as they were standing next to us last week. Am I wasting my time responding to you with more of my "oral vomit"??? LMAO!
6/28/2008 11:29:47 PM
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kvnhlstd wrote:
You need to be prepping for your initial Deposition, not standing on the corner yapping. Good Luck against the man
6/29/2008 8:39:34 AM
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rightly wrote:
kvnhlstd,
How much are you getting paid for being the only blogger who doesn't live near Johnson Ranch and supporting potentially polluted water? Your probably Johnson Utilities lawyer on retainer who has convinced the company to file a lawsuit in order for you and only you to make more money! Dollars are the motivation here and the lawyers are the only ones who will benefit. The defamation is clearly stated on the sign in front of the Johnson Utilities which read "providing quality water to the community" there's more on the sign, but I can't remember the rest. Perhaps someone else can expound on the verbage of the actual sign. This is the promise to the residents and commitment Johnson Utilites provided to the community. Johnson Utilites needs to come clean with the community state a mistake has been made and every homeowner should be sent information on what steps have been taken to ensure the quality of the water is up to federal, state, and county's required levels and how the clean up will be achieved. The TCE in Scottsdale's water caused numerous people and animals to develop cancer over a number of years. There's been many articles written about this. The utilites were ill advised on how to handle this situation. Come clean and make peace with the community or suffer numerous lawsuits in the future. People's health are being compromised here. What are you going to do about it?
kvnhlstd, your the one who needs to calm down with a chamomile tea and perhaps meditation class.
6/29/2008 9:06:35 AM
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suppdawg wrote:
What country do we live in? I cannot believe that a buisnessman would attack people simply because they have an opposing view. I hope the ACLU helps these women out. If they establish a legal defense fund I will happily contribute.
6/30/2008 2:00:49 PM

kvnhlstd2 wrote:
Oh I hope you're a Pinal County deputy kvnhlstd. Then everything you've written makes sense. You are either Mr. Johnson's or Mr. Tompsett's little law lackey paid what to think and say. What's it like to be so utterly corrupted? Is the money worth it? You'd better be livin' heaven on earth fella....that's the opportunity you'll likely have.
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