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Guy wrote: Lisa.Coletto.Cohen wrote: Wow Guy, your post count is mighty impressive (I know, I must be easily impressed), anyway, at this rate if I multiply your number of posts by 365, by your one year anniversary on this board you will have made (drum roll......)......9855 posts. That probably means you will have spent more time posting than the Mayor spent running the Town! Pretty impressive if you ask me! Maybe you should ask for a paycheck!
BTW...
I require people who count on me to have 10 fingers... Just so we are using the same counting system...
You don't by chance have extra fingers due to a marraige in your parents past to a cousin, or less fingers due to a fireworks accident, do you?
Are you serious? Calling me a mutant inbreeder isn't a great way to begin a dialog. But, if you want to go down that road, I can give as good as I get. So I ask, was it your intention to be an idiot or did I make a mistake when I read your post? I am open minded here and am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Please advise me as to your intent.
Thank you for your time and attention. I eagerly await your response.
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Guy, Sarcasm has its place and time, but not in this place...every time! I think most posters in this forum enjoy a good issue oriented argument and we will from time-to-time get on our pedestal and shout from the pulpit, but personal attacks and continuous sarcasm makes it seem like you don't play well with others. We will give and take when necessary,and sometimes we don't see the sarcasm in our own voices, but most of us try to play well......why don't you join us in the sandbox? Give us hell when we need it, but play fair. 
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blackwidow wrote: Guy Have a good time tonight. I'm guessing tomorrow that you will be sent packing by the site admin.
Do you get tired and stressed from being correct all the time...
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Here ya go CF. I found this site interesting regarding anonymous blogging.
http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/?p=125
Anonymity just brings on doubt and questions. Why would a reporter resort to allowing anonymity to exist when it's their job to discover the truth and present it to the public. Conflict of interest. Sarah knows that. Any "quiet" position between her and her sources, won't be brought to the forefront anyway, so your words will be lost in the wind(pipe).
By the way....brown eggs leave a bigger mess than do the white eggs. Try Araconda and your will get a rainbow egg.
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nilbog wrote: With the price of food these days, who could AFFORD to egg Crimefighters house? He's probably also packing heat, my grandfather always said you should never bring a dozen eggs to a gunfight. Or something like that.
It's too bad the local press can't just do what The Onion does, and refer to people as "Area Man"...
http://www.theonion.com/content/from_print/area_man_a_little_too_old_to
Words to live by, Nilbog, your grandfather was a wise man. I love the Onion. Despite the fact that it is a liberal rag, the writing is fantastic. In fact, try reading any story from the Onion and replace "Area Man" with "Jeff Brown" and you will feel like you are back in Queen Creek reading the Tribune. Good move by Sarah to recruit new sources here on the forum, the well has been running dry.
Sarah: what do you need my name for? If "Deep Throat" could break Watergate as an anonymous source, why can't I opine on local Queen Creek political matters for your paper? I can be the Tribs "Deep Throat". Just keep me in mind if you ever need someone to jump start your readership and save your floundering paper from the jaws of bankruptcy. Then maybe your journalistic standards won't be so high and we'll see who will be asking the questions.
Anyway, this is like a family reunion, all of the long lost bloggers are coming back to play, all thanks to Guy.
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| Reporters turn to the people they know they can get good information from and are willing to talk. Sarah called me several times for stories and I've been in the Independent too. Most instances, it's because I'm there during some event at town hall. If you don't show up and participate, don't expect the media is going to rush to your door and beg for your uninformed opinion. Seriously, if you know nothing, why should anyone care?
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With the price of food these days, who could AFFORD to egg Crimefighters house? He's probably also packing heat, my grandfather always said you should never bring a dozen eggs to a gunfight. Or something like that.
It's too bad the local press can't just do what The Onion does, and refer to people as "Area Man"...
http://www.theonion.com/content/from_print/area_man_a_little_too_old_to
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Lisa.Coletto.Cohen wrote: And CF, you and I don't always agree but you have some good ideas and opinions. I too, would love to hear from more residents. Why are you worried about loosing your anonymity?
Because then everybody I have argued with online over the last year will come egg my house.
It washes off..Trust me.
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Hi everyone, my name is Sarah Boggan and I'm the Queen Creek reporter for the Tribune. I wanted to make sure everyone here has my contact information if they would like to be added to my source list for the community. I make a big effort to get out to Queen Creek often and meet residents so I can diversify my sources. But there are many obstacles to overcome. A lot of folks are reluctant to comment, will comment but don't want their names used or don't know enough about an issue to form an opinion by my deadline.
Jeff is right. I do need to have your full name to quote you but it's not like I would write in my article: "John Doe, who goes by the name QCResident on the Newszap forums, said ..."
I'm also at the council meetings wearing an East Valley Tribune press pass around my neck. During a break come and chat.
E-mail: sboggan@evtrib.com
Phone: 480-898-6574
Thanks for reading!
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In order to maintain quality control for our community and to make sure Egg-Land's Best really are all they are cracked up to be. I suggest you purchase the above item.
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| Yes, for those planning to egg my house, please use only Egg-Land's Best, Grade A Quality eggs.
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The papers wont print your opinion without your real name. I have tried that before. Time for you to come out of the closet CF. You make the call..not anyone else.
WORD.
I haven't been egg'd, but since I'm a teacher, it's probably coming! lol Then again, I live 30 miles from my students. *whew!* (it may suck with these gas prices, but it's a perk I'm happy with!)
I also saw a house that was TP'd and "forked". Plastic forks sticking up all over the yard (try coming up with a sound explanation to my 7yo asking me why there were forks stuck in the yard? (???) ). Ands that must have been hard sticking them forks in the hard rocks and dirt! Then there were forks all over the sidewalk for the next block or two.  Weird.
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| I would hope that the residents of our Town are more civil than that. Besides, I haven't witnessed any eggings but my neighbor was TP'd at one point but that may have just been kids.
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Lisa.Coletto.Cohen wrote: And CF, you and I don't always agree but you have some good ideas and opinions. I too, would love to hear from more residents. Why are you worried about loosing your anonymity?
Because then everybody I have argued with online over the last year will come egg my house.
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Wow Guy, your post count is mighty impressive (I know, I must be easily impressed), anyway, at this rate if I multiply your number of posts by 365, by your one year anniversary on this board you will have made (drum roll......)......9855 posts. That probably means you will have spent more time posting than the Mayor spent running the Town! Pretty impressive if you ask me! Maybe you should ask for a paycheck!
As far as being quoted, it is about being there and being accessible. So far as I can count (up to three) Jeff has made it to more Budget meetings than one of the Council Members. That, coupled with being Council Elect, gives his opinions a certain newsworthiness. So far as I can tell, there are only some of us Council Members, who will speak to the media. Please feel free to ask the press, who calls back. I am sure they will tell you. This is something that annoys them too!
And CF, you and I don't always agree but you have some good ideas and opinions. I too, would love to hear from more residents. Why are you worried about loosing your anonymity?
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blackwidow wrote: Guy Have a good time tonight. I'm guessing tomorrow that you will be sent packing by the site admin.
The same as the other two site bullies?
Or are there three now?
Welcome to Queen Creek...
Opinions are only welcome if they agree with certain people?
Yep, if I am sent packing, that speaks a lot for this board. And for you and the other two clicking "report now" button.
What exactly are you reporting me for? If you have to think about it, thats YOUR opinion. Welcome to America. Land of free speech? Or land of those who speak and think like you?
3 attacks in one night from board members. I guess I should think like them. Or else I will be banned...
Yes. I guess they have a different version of the Constitution..
Something that states freedom of speech applies to only them. Even when someone disagrees..
Gotcha...
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| Guy Have a good time tonight. I'm guessing tomorrow that you will be sent packing by the site admin.
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CrimeFighter wrote: Uh oh, I hope you don't start breaking out the "I'm rubber and you're glue" to go with that "I know you are but what am I". The quality of the discussion has increased dramatically with your entrance to the forum here.
Nope.
I don't play childrens games such as you have now mentioned. So, If I don't agree with you I am a child?
Yes. The quality has increased because I am here. Pity that was not something you contributed.
I live here now and will post my thoughts. Sorry if that rocks your world.
BTW... What crime do you fight? Are you part of law enforcement? Or a wanna-be?
Perhaps you are a part of law enforcement and don't attend town meetings for fear of reprisal from your bosses...
At Albertsons.
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| Uh oh, I hope you don't start breaking out the "I'm rubber and you're glue" to go with that "I know you are but what am I". The quality of the discussion has increased dramatically with your entrance to the forum here.
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That was my opinion of you...
Now that's funny...
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Guy wrote: I've read your replies for 2 months...
Jokes are funny...
Great, it's like the slow kid at school finally decided to start making comments in class.
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I've read your replies for 2 months...
Jokes are funny...
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Guy, you're new here so I'll try to cut you some slack. There was no personal attack, so no need for you to get defensive. The committee was a joke, I didn't think anyone would really assume that I was assembling a group of toadies to carry out my orders.
Dang! I just finished my resume. Dont trick me again or I'll get the wolf after you!
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| Guy, you're new here so I'll try to cut you some slack. There was no personal attack, so no need for you to get defensive. The committee was a joke, I didn't think anyone would really assume that I was assembling a group of toadies to carry out my orders.
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Speaking of avatars...
I chose a default pawn. After all, even you are a pawn in your workplace.
I have surpassed my avatar in many ways. You will never achieve yours.
Thanks for the personal attack. Is this something I should report to the board moderator?
I need a true crimefighter to help me on this one...
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| Does this mean I can join your your program? I mean, the initials for the acroynym seem to fit your agenda...
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Guy wrote: Perhaps you should call it the Crimefighter Rapid Action Program.
Why should other people send you their resumes to promote your agenda? Or does your involvement in this community stop where your keyboard ends?
To quote Groucho Marx: "I would never join a club that would have me as a member"...
Guy, I think you would be the perfect candidate, you have selected the right avatar.
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CrimeFighter wrote: Which is why I am creating the Crimefighter Rapid Response Team. I will have a crack team of private citizens willing to supply the papers with my opinions within 24 hours of the request. Fellow posters, you have the chance to be part of this historic organization, just submit your resumes to me. Regardless of the reporter's question, we will find a way to work in a plug for Crimefighter Park, my one and overriding agenda item.
Perhaps you should call it the Crimefighter Rapid Action Program.
Why should other people send you their resumes to promote your agenda? Or does your involvement in this community stop where your keyboard ends?
To quote Groucho Marx: "I would never join a club that would have me as a member"...
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QCVillager wrote: your list of explanations is way too short. there are myriad reasons. but i am telling you at the end of the day, the two that have the most impact truly are...
1) Apathy and people not wanting to be quoted in newspaper (speaking of private citizens here)
Which is why I am creating the Crimefighter Rapid Response Team. I will have a crack team of private citizens willing to supply the papers with my opinions within 24 hours of the request. Fellow posters, you have the chance to be part of this historic organization, just submit your resumes to me. Regardless of the reporter's question, we will find a way to work in a plug for Crimefighter Park, my one and overriding agenda item.
CF...Its much simpler than that. Call the paper..Or come to lunch and meet the reporters. Tell me when you can make it and I will make the arrangements. The only way you can get your opinions in the paper is if you use your name.
They are very easy to meet at a council meeting. You only have to stay long enough to introduce yourself and leave your name and number. They sit at a table in the back against the wall on the Ellsworth side of the room.
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QCVillager wrote: your list of explanations is way too short. there are myriad reasons. but i am telling you at the end of the day, the two that have the most impact truly are...
1) Apathy and people not wanting to be quoted in newspaper (speaking of private citizens here)
Which is why I am creating the Crimefighter Rapid Response Team. I will have a crack team of private citizens willing to supply the papers with my opinions within 24 hours of the request. Fellow posters, you have the chance to be part of this historic organization, just submit your resumes to me. Regardless of the reporter's question, we will find a way to work in a plug for Crimefighter Park, my one and overriding agenda item.
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CrimeFighter wrote: QCV, I'm not faulting you at all for giving your opinions, I'm simply pointing out what it has become difficult not to notice: that the reporters are relying on the same two or three individuals for practically every story. You're right, I should add Lisa to the list, they always are quoting her.
There are a few possible explanations:
- the reporters are too lazy to seek out new sources. This is probably the most likely explanation.
- the reporters agree with some or all of the opinions provided by these individuals most of the time.
- the reporters are positioning Jeff Brown and/or Chris Clark to run for mayor in a few years by keeping their names in front of us on a weekly basis.
your list of explanations is way too short. there are myriad reasons. but i am telling you at the end of the day, the two that have the most impact truly are...
1) Apathy and people not wanting to be quoted in newspaper (speaking of private citizens here)
2) A number of our Town's elected officials refuse to speak with or call back news media. (or they call back in a couple of days - after a deadline for a story has passed. would you prefer stories get held - effectively withholding information from the public ?
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CrimeFighter wrote: Has anybody else noticed this? The reporters who cover Queen Creek apparently have Chris Clark and Jeff Brown on speed dial for every story, regardless of what it is about.
Let's start compiling a list of all of the articles they are in:
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/115436 (i was the only private citizen to attend the Budget Mtg where this came up. also in attendance was the EV Trib)
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/114606 (i was the only private citizen to attend the Budget Mtg where this came up. also in attendance was the EV Trib. not to mention that the issue at hand had direct implications for me of a personal nature)
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/04/24/20080424gr-qcbudget0424-ON.html (i was the only private citizen to attend the Budget Mtg where this came up. also in attendance was the EV Trib and QC Independent. not to mention that the issue at hand had direct implications for me of a personal nature)
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/114720 (i was the only private citizen to attend the Budget Mtg where this came up. also in attendance was the EV Trib and QC Independent)
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/113763 (another story that stems from my attendence as the only private citizen at a QC Budget Committee meeting. additionally, i am a current member and former chair of the QC Transportation Advisory Committee. i guess i can understand why my input might be appropriate on the subject.
Chris Clark's are below:
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/114555
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/113511
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QCV, I'm not faulting you at all for giving your opinions, I'm simply pointing out what it has become difficult not to notice: that the reporters are relying on the same two or three individuals for practically every story. You're right, I should add Lisa to the list, they always are quoting her.
There are a few possible explanations:
- the reporters are too lazy to seek out new sources. This is probably the most likely explanation.
- the reporters agree with some or all of the opinions provided by these individuals most of the time.
- the reporters are positioning Jeff Brown and/or Chris Clark to run for mayor in a few years by keeping their names in front of us on a weekly basis.
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CF - perhaps it is because i am opinionated, outspoken, not afraid to stand behind my convictions. perhaps it is because i actually take time to get to know what is going on in the Town and am willing to speak out to give accolades and say good things when warranted and conversely... be willing to speak out when things aren't right.
honestly, the EV Trib does a lot of stories on Town of Queen Creek and Queen Creek area. their reporters are always seeking others to opine on issues for stories. i can tell you that they struggle to get anyone willing to go on record in print.
i would welcome you to call on all three reporters that cover our area and find out if they are quoting Chris Clark, Jeff Brown, Councilmember Coletto-Cohen because of comspiracy or because they simply are accessible. remember the whole thing about being accessible to the Town ? i answer my phone and return calls and emails. reporters have deadlines to meet. ask the three reporters that cover our area if they think some of our Town's public officials are keenly aware of that fact.
like gsbill, i too have been asked by reporters (from both EV Trib and from QC Independent) for names others willing to talk about an issue.
CF - actually, you completely make my case about APATHY. APATHY is the reason there aren't more private citizens quoted in news articles.
one of the planks in my campaign was OPEN and TRANSPARENT gov't. would you prefer i stopped talking to the news media ?
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| If it involves sitting through those tedious council meetings then I'm out. Perhaps I can find someone willing to disclose their idenity who can be my puppet. Any volunteers? Through our subversive influence we will turn this town into Crimefighterville! I will begin accepting resumes and interviewing applicants shortly. Last edited on Sun May 4th, 2008 04:16 pm by CrimeFighter
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CrimeFighter wrote:
Sweet. That's what I want to hear. Tell them to email me, I want be quoted anonymously as crimefighter in every story about this town.
The papers wont print your opinion without your real name. I have tried that before. Time for you to come out of the closet CF. You make the call..not anyone else.
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Posted: Sun May 4th, 2008 03:44 pm |
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| Sweet. That's what I want to hear. Tell them to email me, I want be quoted anonymously as crimefighter in every story about this town.
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Posted: Sun May 4th, 2008 03:42 pm |
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| Call the papers and request to be interviewed for future stories. If you go to council meetings on a regular basis the reporters will know you and you will be in the paper. Reporters have asked me if I knew anybody that had an opinion on certain issues in the past. In other words, they want YOU crimefighter! You and your friends.
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Posted: Sun May 4th, 2008 03:30 pm |
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Has anybody else noticed this? The reporters who cover Queen Creek apparently have Chris Clark and Jeff Brown on speed dial for every story, regardless of what it is about.
Let's start compiling a list of all of the articles they are in:
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/115436
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/114606
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/04/24/20080424gr-qcbudget0424-ON.html
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/114720
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/113763
Chris Clark's are below:
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/114555
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/113511
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