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| I like the new buildings, not sure about how the apartments will look, i'll just have to wait and see. but i am excited about have some around so we will finally get some single people. plus now the high school kids will have some place to live when they graduate.
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i don't know exactly where each of the following took place within the Town, but here are crime stats for TOQC for 2006...
271 - Burglaries (129 from Autos, 142 from Residence/Business)
167 - Property Thefts
85 - Auto Theft
2 - Arson
14 - Aggravated Assault
98 - Simple Assault
4 - Sexual Assault
4 - Robbery
0- Homicide
0 - Eggings (at least none reported CF)
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| If low rent is a precurser to higher crime rates then that area should already have a high crime rate. The area behind the discount beverage store has always been referred to as the projects because of the low income housing.
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starleen wrote:
Don't worry Guy, they all pick on the "newcomers" as though they own the forum. Very territorial about their soapboxes. Nice to have your new ideas and challenges, but don't let them drag you to the gutter with them! (GSBill, you started it!)
Thank you starleen. Thank you for the welcome. Yes I can see there is a soapbox derby here. I can see from the award I have been given by someone who had the gonads to present it in person to me...
Oh, wait... They didn't. They posted the award they were given many times by others.
Yes, new ideas scare cowards. Anything scares cowards. They scare themselves.
Heck. They scare me that people like this exist.
I doubt they even vote, but complain when their choice loses.
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Act like an adult? Like those who welcomed me to this board by insulting me?
If that's your opinion of being an adult, I see where you stand, also.
Hi, Nice to meet you. Now shut up. That seems to be the tone around here...
By the way, this is a forum. Everybody contributes. A blog is run by one person who expresses their opinions, and may let you post if your opinion agrees with theirs. I can see why you consider this a blog.Last edited on Wed May 7th, 2008 12:59 am by
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Welcome to the blog. Now, start acting like an adult.
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QCVillager wrote: Guy wrote: Yes QC..
Low rent = low life.
Before the three bullies get me banned...
Can anybody tell me what the rent will be there?
Low rent = low life are not my words.
I am simply stating the fact that crime rates are directly proportional to DENSITY. And further, that it is statistically true that low income housing is statistically higher crime rate than non-low income housing. Very little research will bear that out... it isn't anecdotal but is based on real life data.
I don't know what the rents will be.
"Low rent = low life"
"crime rates are directly proportional to DENSITY"
Seems like this forum's rapid descent to the gutter is a good analogy for that equation, where crime rates equal insults and density = numbers of cyber bullies.
Don't worry Guy, they all pick on the "newcomers" as though they own the forum. Very territorial about their soapboxes. Nice to have your new ideas and challenges, but don't let them drag you to the gutter with them! (GSBill, you started it!)
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BTW... What crime do you fight? Are you part of law enforcement? Or a wanna-be?
Perhaps you are a part of law enforcement and don't attend town meetings for fear of reprisal from your bosses...
At Albertsons.
Your meaning above? Oh, I get it, rather than imply that I work in law enforcement and am afraid of my bosses who are eating donuts at Albertsons, you are now implying that I work security at Albertsons. So I'm a liar because you can't communicate clearly? Last edited on Mon May 5th, 2008 02:56 am by CrimeFighter
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CrimeFighter wrote: Well Guy, you're off to a peachy start here at the Queen Creek forum. You've pretty much pissed off everyone but the politician who has to be nice to you because he wants your vote. I'm sure it's a conspiracy that all of us are ganging up on you, rather than anything you've posted. And your crack on policemen eating donuts was an especially classy touch, I'm sure that you've ingratiated yourself to all of those who put their lives on the line protecting us every day with that.
People who get my vote are people who deserve it.
At this point, you don't get my vote. I don't know him as much as I don't know you. Know what? He in his one post has been more polite than you have been all night. Perhaps you should learn something from that. I never said sanything about doughnuts so this now makes you a liar. I have policeman in my family and would not disrespect them in the way you just did.
Post the link I talked about them like that or go away as a liar.
You Can't. That makes you the liar of this board that you have always been. You can say anything you like, but facts evade you. It is a pity other people follow you like blind sheep.
I called you out to post the truth. Post my link that talked about policeman and doughnuts. You can't because you make up your own facts. Now go make up a new screen name because this one is now known as a LIAR.
I'm waiting for the link... Not something you will make up and paste..
Crimefighter has just been busted.
Book him Dano.
I do believe that you may have violated the forums rules. Perhaps Blackwidow will report him...
nah. she won't.
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Yes Guy, that was much braver of you to use a first name that could be one of hundreds in the town, rather than an alias.
Did you just admit that it took you two months to figure out how to change email accounts?
How exactly do you plan to save Queen Creek from the clutches of the rest of us?
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Thank you for the compliment.
Much like most of the people who have attacked me tonight...
I spoke my opinion. They have spoken theirs. I just got my email activated so I could speak. I had to change from one account to another.
OF COURSE you knew this is why I could not post.
ONLY QCV welcomed me...
Thank you for your welcome.
That tells me exactly what I need to know of how this board is run...
Think as we do or be reported.
Click the button.
I'm sure others have.
People don't like to be be 'punked out', well, for being punks.
There are people on this board that don't "fightcrime" or are spiders...
etc...
I have posted my real name. Not like anyone else who posts...
I call that, well, it is a slang word for cats that would get me banned...
I want to thank you for the welcome, and I hope to help QC for the benifit of all of us.
Not to sit and b___ch and do nothing like some crimefighters do...
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Well Guy, you're off to a peachy start here at the Queen Creek forum. You've pretty much pissed off everyone but the politician who has to be nice to you because he wants your vote. I'm sure it's a conspiracy that all of us are ganging up on you, rather than anything you've posted. And your crack on policemen eating donuts was an especially classy touch, I'm sure that you've ingratiated yourself to all of those who put their lives on the line protecting us every day with that.
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QVA...
#4?
Opinions matter... Should I ignore yours or declare it an attack?
I speak my mind. You spoke yours.
I'm a n00b?
I've had a computer since the Timex Sinclair (1980ish)...
Chances are that may be older than you are...
Call that a compliment...
You're a bitter an attacking noob here. One that assumes way too much. You will find yourself with only one person to talk to. That will be you. Goodbye. I have stuff stuck on the bottom of my shoe worthy of more time than the likes of you.
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Oh, and thank you QCV for welcoming me to the town I live in...
Not like the other three bullies/rude people that have given me awards, been rude, or told me I will be gone tomorrow...
Like I said, I have lurked for two months.
Each response is EXACTLY what I expected...
If you did lurk for months then you must have known who was who here. Why did you then purposely look to start trouble amongst posters with a long history and track record? Seems you got the rise you were seeking. Nice job. Wonderful to know we have such calculating and mischievous neighbors.
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QVA...
#4?
Opinions matter... Should I ignore yours or declare it an attack?
I speak my mind. You spoke yours.
I'm a n00b?
I've had a computer since the Timex Sinclair (1980ish)...
Chances are that may be older than you are...
Call that a compliment...
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Oh, and thank you QCV for welcoming me to the town I live in...
Not like the other three bullies/rude people that have given me awards, been rude, or told me I will be gone tomorrow...
Like I said, I have lurked for two months.
Each response is EXACTLY what I expected...
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| Guy. You came on here as a noob. Basically on the attack with insults. Misunderstood posts and then posted smart ass remarks and still carry on. What did you expect? Calm down and get off the personal level digs. Insults and attacks are not opinions and most likely wont be tolerated. Its funny how the one on the attack suddenly cries victim. Thats such a typical ploy by people who purposely set out to disrupt forums like this one. If the fighting style of blogging is your game, maybe another type of forum would better suit your needs.
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Guy wrote: Yes QC..
Low rent = low life.
Before the three bullies get me banned...
Can anybody tell me what the rent will be there?
Low rent = low life are not my words.
I am simply stating the fact that crime rates are directly proportional to DENSITY. And further, that it is statistically true that low income housing is statistically higher crime rate than non-low income housing. Very little research will bear that out... it isn't anecdotal but is based on real life data.
I don't know what the rents will be.
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 01:30 am |
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Yes.. But soon it may be...
Thanks for not attacking my opinion...
It seems you thought before you posted...
Thank you. I thought that this board was for that.
Not for basement bullies...
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Mountains do not provide cheap electricity. Solar panels do.
Why Arizona is not electricity un-dependent is a question perhaps they can answer...
Actually, Coal is still king of the hill on the "cheapness" scale followed by Natural Gas. And Nuclear power too is far less expensive at this point than Solar.
Solar Arrays cost big bucks actually and so the price per MegaWatt is actually quite high.
This is why SRP's mix of power generation is Coal-43.7%, NatGas-18%, Nuclear-14.5% and the whole category of "Renewables" (Hydro, Solar, underground methane from dumps) only makes up 5.4%
If one wants to know "why Arizona is not electricity un-dependent", one need only look to cost per MegaWatt
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Yes QC..
Low rent = low life.
Before the three bullies get me banned...
Can anybody tell me what the rent will be there?
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There may be a point. What are they charging them for rent? Something more or less than examples cited. More may equal better people. Less rent will attract slime.
I know people that rent on Park Ave in NY are commiting the majority of crime in NY.
Oh, wait...
That can't be right...
So I must agree with CF. Renters are no good. Period. No questions asked.
Ask a question and BlackWidow clicks the report button...
She is third in line.
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Guy wrote: Nice sweeping generalization.
I lived in an apartment and never committed a crime.
Let's not forget that registered sex offenders, drop houses, and many other criminal activity is done by...
Criminals. In homes they own.
Let’s wait until they are occupied to see if the crime rate or graffiti incidents rise.
In the meantime, reflect on how a burglary was planned on public owned property...
Watergate.
call it a sweeping generalization Guy (welcome to the forum by the way), but it is statistically true that per capita crime is way higher in apartments/multi-unit housing than in single family detached. for the record... DENSITY is a key factor in crime rates. zero lot line living is higher crime statistically than is R1-6, than is R1-8 than is R1-18, than is R1-35, etc...
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CrimeFighter wrote: Apartments bring crime, just ask Gilbert about the Power Ranch apartments. It is a bizarre location for apartments to put them in a Wal-mart parking lot, but then again, I guess people can walk back and forth for their shopping.
not exactly the same... not an apples/apples comparison since those Clemente (or whatever they are called) are low income housing.
but i get the point about increased crime non-the-less. apartments are higher crime regardless of low income or not.
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gsbill wrote: I have been all around this country and cant for life of me remember seeing a big apartment complex in a WalMart parking lot. I think that its a mistake to have them there. I dont like the view.
Elliot and Priest in Tempe.Last edited on Mon May 5th, 2008 01:00 am by QCVillager
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And if I could get cheap electricity, You can build one of those in my backyard.
Mountains do not provide cheap electricity. Solar panels do. Arizona has 380 days of sunlight each year. (yes, CF and his partner, I know there are 365 or 4 days per year).
Why Arizona is not electricity un-dependent is a question perhaps they can answer...
Perhaps the future crime rate?
After all, there is copper that future residents can steal...
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BTW... The worst part of censorship is handing out an award for having an opinion...
Turn in your button. You have revealved yourself as sham...
How's that for English?
Blows your theory...
Should I stand on the corner of Ocotillo and Ellsworth to prove you right?
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An award you must have been given many times...
Read my last post that I edited, before you gave me your award. It must be one you have recieved many times
BTW, I can read English. I can be writing it be also too...
Nice way to welcome a new member... I can see where this is heading...
Are you CF in disguise? Or one of his members in his crimefighting force?
Or are the opinions allowed here yours and his?
Cee thaat? I spulled all dem wurds wright...
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Guy wrote:
From your posts...
That's what must have confused you...
You're a dipschitt..who does not understand English. You will be ignored from now on. Bed time rolling around soon..School starts early in the AM now dont it. Dont forget to ask mom for lunch money.
Opps forgot your award...sorry.
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From his posts...
That's what must have confused you...Last edited on Sun May 4th, 2008 11:41 pm by
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Quaint downtown?
2 mini-malls...
Do you know how much crime occurs in malls?
You speak from both sides of your mouth...
How do figure that?
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Quaint downtown?
2 mini-malls...
Do you know how much crime occurs in malls?
You speak from both sides of your mouth...
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The crime issue will prove itself over time. How on earth allow such a complex to be built there. We have a new multi million dollar library which the back and dull side face 2 main frontage roads next to a run down old store, across from a Circle K thats is dwarfed by a huge housing complex thats built in a parking lot, which hides our new multi million dollar shopping plaza and the spectacular view of the world famous Superstition Mountains. All I can say is WTF?
If we are going to ruin the towns look all together lets build a few of these and cash out with SRP...
They're only 300 feet high. QC can have its own electric company. We have big land owners in town..BIG money maker. If we have to look at crappy piled up buildings in our quaint downtown lets make some more money..thats the motivator right? Revenue..A few of these down by the SanTans should work and make QC self reliant. Lets go!
One example linked..There are other systems..Same 300 - 500 foot tower.
http://www.metaefficient.com/news/11-mw-solar-tower-complex-opens-in-spain.htmlLast edited on Sun May 4th, 2008 11:22 pm by gsbill
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| I'll let time judge this. Not you before they are occupied...
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| It's a sweeping generalization that happens to be true. I'm happy to wager with you that police calls to that complex increase significantly as soon as a good number of renters are in.
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Nice sweeping generalization.
I lived in an apartment and never committed a crime.
Let's not forget that registered sex offenders, drop houses, and many other criminal activity is done by...
Criminals. In homes they own.
Let’s wait until they are occupied to see if the crime rate or graffiti incidents rise.
In the meantime, reflect on how a burglary was planned on public owned property...
Watergate.
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| Apartments bring crime, just ask Gilbert about the Power Ranch apartments. It is a bizarre location for apartments to put them in a Wal-mart parking lot, but then again, I guess people can walk back and forth for their shopping.
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Ellsworth and Ocotillo are the heart of our downtown. As we look to the east we see a small city rising. APARTMENTS! Lots and lots of buildings reaching way up into the sky, blocking the mountain views and even blocking out the brand new Walmart. I have been all around this country and cant for life of me remember seeing a big apartment complex in a WalMart parking lot. I think that its a mistake to have them there. I dont like the view. Will those folks have cars? I think we have a traffic issue.
What do ya'll think? Love the new mini-city? Don't care? Or dislike it and find it offensive?
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