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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 05:18 pm |
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| I don't vote in line with every liberal in the country. I have voted for Republican candidates as well.
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 01:19 pm |
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| And I'm also a closet liberal. What use is a conservative who has never come out in support of a single conservative issue, and who votes in line with every other liberal in the country?
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 04:54 am |
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CF: I know you're baiting me, but there are quite a few issues I lean right on. I wouldn't bring it up if there weren't. it's actually "okay" to feel one way about one issue, and feel differently about another. It's not as black and white as people like you want to make it out to be.
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 03:21 am |
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| Because there aren't any issues you lean right on.
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 03:09 am |
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And the examples of issues on which you lean right would be...? You think I'm gonna "go there" just to prove some point to you, CF? Please. i don't have to prove anything to you.
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jrenae wrote: CF: I'm not as left as you may think. On some issues, yes I am. On others I lean to the right. It's called free-thinking and finding your own place - not where some arbitrary political scale dictates.
And the examples of issues on which you lean right would be...?
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Dublin Girl
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 06:45 pm |
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| Where is the san tan walmart going?
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 06:34 pm |
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Target in QC would have had my business the other night if they hadn't closed at 10pm. I was driving through late and needed something and it was closed. Grrr.
Personally I think the San Tan Target is going to do a lot better. It's closer to a greater concentration of people.
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jrenae
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 03:30 pm |
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Good point BigShow. It's hypocrisy with the stereotyping.
Well at least he got rid of that stupid photo of Regan. So there was some positives out of this discussion.
LOL! I liked Regan for his personality and wit. Other things? Not so much. But you know what? If I had to choose btw W and Reagan, I'd take Reagan back anyday.
Favorite Reagan moment (and I'm a registered Democrat, so this is doubly funny):
There was some economic related press conference and Sam Donaldson asked Reagan something to the effect of, "You keep blaming Congress for this. Do you take even some of the blame?"
Reagan: "Well, yes, I was a Democrat once, you know!"
And my favorite Reagan-related moment. On Family Ties, Alex (who played Mr. Koolaid Drinking Capitalist Repub nightmare! lol) was uypset that his uncle was getting a divorce.
Alex: "How can he get a divorce?! He's a Republican."
Alex's Dad (Steven): Reagan was divorced.
Alex: Yeah, but he was a Democrat then.
Golden stuff! LOL!
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 02:14 pm |
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| Well at least he got rid of that stupid photo of Regan. So there was some positives out of this discussion. It's kinda funny that you accuse me of stereotyping Republicans and religion but then you stereotype Liberals and communism? I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to protect American jobs and keeping our manufacturing sector here in America. I think there's a balance to be had and if anyone is being protectionist, it's the American corporation with their never ending lust for greed. There's something wrong about a company that lays people off when they are making money just because it will raise the price of the stock for the shareholder. Good day commrade.
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 05:40 am |
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CF: I'm not as left as you may think. On some issues, yes I am. On others I lean to the right. It's called free-thinking and finding your own place - not where some arbitrary political scale dictates.
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 04:19 am |
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| What Jrenae, I'm on your side now.
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 04:14 am |
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CF: That's the problem with you extreme righties. It's one extreme or the other. :eyeroll:
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 04:05 am |
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Ok, I agree. We need more protectionism, less free trade, and more fairness Comrade. Because who's looking out for the laborers, you know?
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Gee willikers, thank god you have nothing better to do than share your infinite wisdom.
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| Disagreeing with gravity doesn't change the fact that it makes it difficult for me to fly.
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 02:24 am |
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In case you haven't noticed, I have a mind of my own and I can freely disagree with Adam Smith, Joseph Smith or Bob Smith and just about anyone else for that matter. I can agree with people too, I've even agreed with you on a rare occassion and I've disagreed with you on many others. It's a difference of opinion and in America, that's welcomed.
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 02:14 am |
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| You read "Wealth of Nations" and disagreed with the analysis that free trade is good? I guess we need to scrape the majority of all economic thought and policy for the last two centuries then, since it's almost all based on Adam Smith's ideas.
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 07:46 pm |
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| I did read the book and disagreed with his analysis. You like Walmart because they are cheap, I don't because they destroy local businesses and don't offer living wage benefits for their employees. I think this horse has been beaten thoroughly.
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Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 01:14 pm |
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TheBigShow wrote: CF, I'm not telling people "hey go out and spend more money on purpose". I'm telling people that before they walk into walmart and put their money on the counter, they should consider how walmart spends your money just as much as you spend your money there. That nickle you save on tomatoes was saved by walmart how? If paying that extra nickle means I promote a company who treats their own workers well and doesn't use bullying tactics that force US companies to move their operations outside the US, I'll spend that nickle. If it means someone who lives here can stay in business and employ other people who live here, I'll spend that nickle. Just take a second and think about it. Obviously you did and you don't care so that's fine. For others who might, I'm saying think about it.
Bigshow, your money is your money, but this actually reflects a more fundamental difference in how you and I view economics than what you describe above. If you get a chance, I would recommend you read "Wealth of Nations" some time by Adam Smith. He addresses this very issue, it's an issue that people have argued about in an effort to restrict free trade between nations for centuries. The gist of his analysis is that different countries always have different costs of labor, therefore resources are more efficiently allocated when labor-intensive goods are produced in the countries with the competitive advantage. The workers in high-cost countries must specialize in different work, more suited to their competitive advantage. Free trade benefits the citizenry in both countries.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 09:14 pm |
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i misunderstood, i thought you wanted them to go out of business everywhere. i do see your point about the customer service, trust me i believe for the most part that good customer service is dead.
Your view on this is like mine on organic food, i'll pay a little more because it's better for me but not 2x the amount. plus what people are willing to spend largely depends on there amount of disposable income.
I respect your view and that you are taking a stance for what you believe.
Enjoy your weekend as well.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 07:54 pm |
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Here is the big difference Dublin Girl...the reason that a lot of products are made in China is because companies like Walmart with their constant demand of price reductions drove them there....If people like Jrenae and myself decide not to shop at Walmart, they aren't going to go out of business. They are far too big for that and work on a global scale. Your local business will go out of business if you elect to make Walmart your first stop instead of your last. I realize that places like Russ's True Value don't carry everything, but before I even think of going to Home Depot, I shop there first. When I go there, I'm taken care of by local people who treat me with a great amount of respect and they value my business. My dollars make a big difference to their bottom line. When I go to Home Depot, I'm treated to a store with a limited number of people who aren't willing to help much and an endless number of locations that item X might be at.
One other thing you should consider about Walmart is the hidden extra price you pay in the form of state health insurance. A larger number of walmart employees utilize state health insurance more than any other business. You pay for that in exchange for those "Always low prices". Walmart often demands tax abatements as well to help keep those prices low. That's part of their busines model and they are very good at it. We can agree to disagree, but it doesn't hurt to think about the impact they will potentially have on local businesses now and in the future. Thanks for the civil exchange and I hope you have a good weekend. 
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 06:14 pm |
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bigwavedave wrote: Wal Mart will always create a divide in a community. I personally don't mind spending a little extra to shop locally for most things. For some people, they will shop where they can get the most bang for their buck. Some people have to shop for the best bargains. Is either side wrong? That my friends is why they make cars in different colors too....so you have a choice.
lol............very diplomatic.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 06:12 pm |
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| Wal Mart will always create a divide in a community. I personally don't mind spending a little extra to shop locally for most things. For some people, they will shop where they can get the most bang for their buck. Some people have to shop for the best bargains. Is either side wrong? That my friends is why they make cars in different colors too....so you have a choice.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 05:13 pm |
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TheBigShow wrote: Because the money you put into Walmart's hands only helps to continue the problems we face today. By giving Walmart your money, you help them continue the practice of paying low wages to their workers, shotty health benefits, their continued bullying of businesses that do business with them and the expansion of goods made outside the United States. You may save a buck but at what cost? By supporting local businesses with your hard earned money, you make an impact right here. Walmart has done a great job of putting a lot of people out of work here in the US, I have no intention of supporting that.
local business cost more that's just the facts if they didn't then i would shop there also, most things we buy today are not made here no matter where you shop, most of your kids toys come from china. they pay over minimum wage, not sure about health benefits, and if they close how many families who depend on them for employment and you now are putting out of work and possibly on welfare, unemployment and how many families does that store help provide food, cloths, and toys for people who otherwise wouldn't be able to afford much....you have to look a the big picture. yes they might do some things wrong, but they do help alot also
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 02:59 pm |
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BigShow: Don't bother arguing sense into him. He wants to argue about it and you're not going to change his mind. Unfortunately, some people only see the tiny picture in front of them and not the whole image. 
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 02:25 pm |
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| CF, I'm not telling people "hey go out and spend more money on purpose". I'm telling people that before they walk into walmart and put their money on the counter, they should consider how walmart spends your money just as much as you spend your money there. That nickle you save on tomatoes was saved by walmart how? If paying that extra nickle means I promote a company who treats their own workers well and doesn't use bullying tactics that force US companies to move their operations outside the US, I'll spend that nickle. If it means someone who lives here can stay in business and employ other people who live here, I'll spend that nickle. Just take a second and think about it. Obviously you did and you don't care so that's fine. For others who might, I'm saying think about it.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 02:21 pm |
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| I would like to personally apologize to all the members of the forum. I recently asked the question "If not for religion or politics, what would we have to fight about"? I forgot about Wal Mart.......I don't know how I could have overlooked that!
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| Be careful to whom you trust your precious memories... Walmart will sell perishable foods long after it has expired but don't neglect to pick up you photos, or try to pick them up at 31 days out, they will be in the trash.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 03:57 am |
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Since when did small businesses have a right to exist if they can't provide competitive goods and services? If I operated a small business, I wouldn't expect consumers to behave illogically, I would expect them to maximize their buying power. All these pleas for people to pay more money than they need to will largely fall on deaf ears, because people are rational, which is why people largely shop at Wal-Mart.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 02:03 am |
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Because the money you put into Walmart's hands only helps to continue the problems we face today. By giving Walmart your money, you help them continue the practice of paying low wages to their workers, shotty health benefits, their continued bullying of businesses that do business with them and the expansion of goods made outside the United States. You may save a buck but at what cost? By supporting local businesses with your hard earned money, you make an impact right here. Walmart has done a great job of putting a lot of people out of work here in the US, I have no intention of supporting that.
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| why pay more for something if you can get it cheaper elsewhere? that's more money in your pocket and your families, i work hard for my money like everyone else and i don't want to just give it a way.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 12:13 am |
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luv2garden: It's great to see other people that have integrity left in this "gimme gimme" selfish world.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 09:44 pm |
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| If Target closes down in QC I will shop at the one in Gilbert. I will not step foot in Walmart. Period!
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 08:06 pm |
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i'm going to see how long I can go without having to go inside.
What do you mean "have to"? You don't have to go there. Choose not to and you're making a wise choice.
I feel like we should have a grand ceremony to recognize this moment, or perhaps declare a town holiday. Go drink in the sweet nectar that is Wal-Mart tonight.
If celebrating how additional trash comes into the town is your thing, then have at it!
The day of our deliverance has arrived
If by "deliverance" you mean the dueling banjoes that comes with it, then I would say, yes, that is quite appropriate for WM.
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Bambi wrote: jace s wrote: i'm going to see how long I can go without having to go inside.
THe super Target is very nice.
Sorry guys. I talked to the owners of your stores, including Super Target. They are "hurting" for sales....badly. It was empty when I was there. Weekdays are a killer for them. Evenings and weekends are what is going to keep them afloat. Nothing uglier than an "empty" big box, so I would frequent the stores if I were you, to give them business and to keep them open.
I don't know what's in store for the super Target going in in our San Tans. One of them is going to suffer.....Q.C. or ours. HomeDepot has postponed their opening out here. Maybe Target should too? Only problem is they are anchor tenants, and the little guys stores depend on them to draw the crowds. If they are not there, the little guys suffer too. In fact, legally, they could protest too that their anchor tenant is gone and so is their drawing card that was promised to them, so either lower the rent or we will delay our opening too. Lot's of negotiations will transpire I'm sure.
Bambi - i have heard likewise with respect to sales being lower than anticipated... however, with current economic climate, i am not surprised at all. we need all of these places patronized enough to keep their doors open for the next 12-18 mos and then i believe that things will improve. it is wise for Target along Hunt Hwy corridor to consider delaying their project just as Home Depot is doing. if i were a shareholder of their companies, i would expect them to make those wise business decisions.
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I love that Wal-Mart sells mens Suits! A nice dark, $40 suit. Nothing says "defendant" quite like a Wal-Mart suit. And a clip on tie.
But I'm a geek, so I'm looking forward to the Circuit City, which I'm told is opening in August.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 04:23 pm |
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jace s wrote: i'm going to see how long I can go without having to go inside.
THe super Target is very nice.
Sorry guys. I talked to the owners of your stores, including Super Target. They are "hurting" for sales....badly. It was empty when I was there. Weekdays are a killer for them. Evenings and weekends are what is going to keep them afloat. Nothing uglier than an "empty" big box, so I would frequent the stores if I were you, to give them business and to keep them open.
I don't know what's in store for the super Target going in in our San Tans. One of them is going to suffer.....Q.C. or ours. HomeDepot has postponed their opening out here. Maybe Target should too? Only problem is they are anchor tenants, and the little guys stores depend on them to draw the crowds. If they are not there, the little guys suffer too. In fact, legally, they could protest too that their anchor tenant is gone and so is their drawing card that was promised to them, so either lower the rent or we will delay our opening too. Lot's of negotiations will transpire I'm sure.
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i'm going to see how long I can go without having to go inside.
THe super Target is very nice.
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| I shop SuperTarget !
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TheBigShow wrote: Ummm....if celebrating a company that puts local businesses out of business is a cause for celebration in your book, enjoy the balloons. I for one will never shop there no matter what.
It really doens't have to be that way. One must just excel. Did you watch the news last night about the small hardware stores like Russ's outdoing/outselling the Home Depots? Why? They stayed open and were still able to serve their customers with items that HD either ran out of or couldn't provide. It created a loyalty.
It's not just the Walmarts that are affecting your local hometown business's. It's the "competition." And that's what keeps our economy going. For instance: We used to have only a couple of places to eat in your Town, so those two business's were living "high off the hog" so to speak. Now, several other business's have entered the picture that offer other types of eating establishments. Those two establishments who brought in all the business, are now going to suffer, unless they compete. And that's what living in a captilistic society gets you.
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Ummm....if celebrating a company that puts local businesses out of business is a cause for celebration in your book, enjoy the balloons. I for one will never shop there no matter what.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 03:33 am |
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| I feel like we should have a grand ceremony to recognize this moment, or perhaps declare a town holiday. Go drink in the sweet nectar that is Wal-Mart tonight.
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