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gsbill
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Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 08:20 pm |
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QCVillager wrote:
gsbill wrote: Apts at Ellsworth and Ocotillo have more than 5 dwelling per acre. Watch the wording between homes and dwellings. I get the feeling dwellings is used when they mean apts. Just a guess. A question worth asking.
no, a dwelling is just as Webster would define it... a residence... aka, where one resides. a shelter. as in colloquialism... "where one hangs their hat".
can be an apartment or a single family detached, condo, etc...
Understood..Point well taken as I re read it all. Apts is itemized when the word dwelling was used. Thanks for the correction!
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QCVillager
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Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 07:18 pm |
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gsbill wrote: Apts at Ellsworth and Ocotillo have more than 5 dwelling per acre. Watch the wording between homes and dwellings. I get the feeling dwellings is used when they mean apts. Just a guess. A question worth asking.
no, a dwelling is just as Webster would define it... a residence... aka, where one resides. a shelter. as in colloquialism... "where one hangs their hat".
can be an apartment or a single family detached, condo, etc...
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gsbill
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Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 05:45 pm |
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| Apts at Ellsworth and Ocotillo have more than 5 dwelling per acre. Watch the wording between homes and dwellings. I get the feeling dwellings is used when they mean apts. Just a guess. A question worth asking. Last edited on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 05:47 pm by gsbill
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Bravo
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Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 05:36 pm |
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0-5 dwellings per acre is exactly that. at that density, you could have less than 1 home per acre to as many as 5 homes per acre.
Is there any area in TOQC that has five homes per acre?
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QCVillager
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Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 05:08 pm |
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Bravo wrote: Jeff,
Should we keep our e-mails really short or should it be a 2-3 paragraph response to why I protest a certain amendment?
The second case, G08-118, is a request to amend the General Plan Land Use Map for 130 acres (Victoria Parcels 10, 11 and 11a) at the northeast corner of Ocotillo and Hawes roads from Medium Density Residential (MDR), 2-3 homes per acre, to Medium High Density Residential-A (MHDR-A), 0-5 dwellings per acre.
Please explain what 0-5 dwellings means per acre.
prior to being on Council, my own emails to the Town were virtually always more than a couple of paragraphs. i don't think they should be redundant, but would certainly encourage you to go beyond just being in favor or opposed... include your reasoning. certainly it isn't necessary, but i think it helps.
i don't think it is the Council's job to just count how many people were for and how many were against... instead i personally am looking for thoughts and reasons. i can't think of everything myself and so i welcome the exchange of actual ideas and not just the "i am in favor" or "i am opposed" emails.
0-5 dwellings per acre is exactly that. at that density, you could have less than 1 home per acre to as many as 5 homes per acre.
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Bravo
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Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 04:22 pm |
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Jeff,
Should we keep our e-mails really short or should it be a 2-3 paragraph response to why I protest a certain amendment?
The second case, G08-118, is a request to amend the General Plan Land Use Map for 130 acres (Victoria Parcels 10, 11 and 11a) at the northeast corner of Ocotillo and Hawes roads from Medium Density Residential (MDR), 2-3 homes per acre, to Medium High Density Residential-A (MHDR-A), 0-5 dwellings per acre.
Please explain what 0-5 dwellings means per acre.
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QCVillager
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 01:27 pm |
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morgan wrote: How does this work? Do we send an email? Go to town hall to fill out paperwork? Attend a meeting? Sorry - new to how to put in a public comment
attending a meeting or an open house is good. sending an email is also good. if sending email our email addresses are firstname DOT lastname at queencreek.org
here are the names of the persons you'll likely want to send to regarding a major GP ammendment...
Wayne Balmer - Mgr of Planning Div ( wayne.balmer@queencreek.org )
Fred Brittingham - Principal Planner ( fred.brittingham@queencreek.org )
Shane Dille - Deputy Town Mgr ( shane.dille@queencreek.org )
John Kross - Town Mgr ( john.kross@queencreek.org )
Art Sanders - Mayor ( art.sanders@queencreek.org )
Gail Barney - Vice Mayor ( gail.barney@queencreek.org )
Craig Barnes - Council Member ( craig.barnes@queencreek.org )
Jeff Brown - Council Member ( jeff.brown@queencreek.org )
Joyce Hildebrandt - Council Member ( joyce.hildebrandt@queencreek.org )
Gordon Mortensen - Council Member ( gordon.mortensen@queencreek.org )
Jon Wootten - Council Member ( jon.wootten@queencreek.org )
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morgan
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 05:11 am |
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| How does this work? Do we send an email? Go to town hall to fill out paperwork? Attend a meeting? Sorry - new to how to put in a public comment
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QCVillager
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 12:35 am |
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Chooke wrote: The first case, GP08-117, is a request to amend the General Plan Land Use Map designation for 51 acres (Victoria Parcels 5 and 9) at the northwest corner of Ocotillo and Ellsworth Loop roads from Medium Density Residential (MDR), 2-3 homes per acre, to Town Center, 20 acres of commercial development, 8 acres of office use, and 23 acres of high-density residential apartments at 18 dwelling units to the acre.
When it's all said and done I (and a few other's on here) will end up with about 500 or more apartments within a 10 minute walk from our homes. (With this and the other two complexes). I moved out here to get away from those things. Oh the joy!
this is the 60 day comment period. i would suggest everyone with an opinion take time to make them known. not just on this forum though. i don't think this forum is an efficient mechanism for that.
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Chooke
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Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 10:05 pm |
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The first case, GP08-117, is a request to amend the General Plan Land Use Map designation for 51 acres (Victoria Parcels 5 and 9) at the northwest corner of Ocotillo and Ellsworth Loop roads from Medium Density Residential (MDR), 2-3 homes per acre, to Town Center, 20 acres of commercial development, 8 acres of office use, and 23 acres of high-density residential apartments at 18 dwelling units to the acre.
When it's all said and done I (and a few other's on here) will end up with about 500 or more apartments within a 10 minute walk from our homes. (With this and the other two complexes). I moved out here to get away from those things. Oh the joy!
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here2day_gone2morrow_qc
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Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 01:13 pm |
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| It is to me that the mayor of Mr. Art Sanders is not for just one vote at end of the day as you say gsbill. If Mr. Art Sanders can be the only person who will make the deciding rule of if a person can speak to the meeting. He will be of one vote when a vote is coming but it is a super power of influence that some people cannot have an american right to talk to the meeting and the council at town hall. It is happen at the council meeting and you can see about it on different post about ART WHAT IS GOING ON. I am hope that you get of what I am upset about. You are true about one vote but super power about other things of who can talk.
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gsbill
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Posted: Sat Jul 19th, 2008 08:22 pm |
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You know his cronies are all over this board during election time tooting his horn, so maybe they'll come back now and enlighten us with vague one liners, or tell us to knock on his door and ask him his stance.
I'm one that spoke in favor of Sanders at election time. I take issue with many things lately. I write emails, attend meetings and call when needed. I'm not happy about several things and I make my voice heard. The mayor is still one vote at the end of the day.
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Posted: Sat Jul 19th, 2008 05:32 pm |
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I really don't think the Town leaders (except Jeff Brown) listen to a thing the TOQC folks say. They hear but don't listen. They hold town meetings, conduct surveys, etc but at the end of the day developers win. I often hear that we want to preserve the heritage and rural atmosphere but then I see a mass of apartments, clustered around a "town center" (Walmart) that is more like a giant strip mall on asphalt..and what? They are considering more? We have lived in several communities that started a rural and sold out to developers. Subsequently, the rural or quiet life disappeared and what remains is a crowded community with all the problems that go with it.
Ok OK before you pro growth folks throw your darts, let me say that it is inevitable. That is the hard part because the original plan was so forward looking and attractive. Now it is bait for the developers as the Town Leaderss have made it known that they will comply with the developers.
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jrenae
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Posted: Sat Jul 19th, 2008 06:58 am |
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You know his cronies are all over this board during election time tooting his horn, so maybe they'll come back now and enlighten us with vague one liners, or tell us to knock on his door and ask him his stance.
Yeah, interesting how they haven't been back.
It's all about development, folks. Sorry to say. That was the platform back in 2006, disguised with other lip service. 
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aznative
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Posted: Sat Jul 19th, 2008 04:03 am |
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So, who are all these people that are going to live in the proposed and currently in development apartments? I have heard mentioned, on this board, folks who are graduating from high school, and folks who work at the big box malls. That doesn't really add up to the need to have so many apartments. Aren't there some planned for East of Ellsworth and South of Ocotillo as well?
And who are the mayor and council representing? Are there alot of residents out there who feel we need more apartments in and around our town center? If so, I've never met one. Is anyone over there, aside from Jeff, listening to our views, apparently Art has no instance in hearing them (see Art, what are you doing thread)?
And as for the development friendly atmosphere here in town, nobody should be surprised, that was the criticism of Art back in 2006. You know his cronies are all over this board during election time tooting his horn, so maybe they'll come back now and enlighten us with vague one liners, or tell us to knock on his door and ask him his stance.
I know this is premature, and in assumption that these amendments will pass, but they always seem to...
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jrenae
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 05:27 pm |
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Have they not learned anything from Gilbert's problems with apartments
Nope. Queen Creek has decided it's about going to bed with developers and getting more dollar signs.
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Bravo
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 03:49 pm |
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The first case, GP08-117, is a request to amend the General Plan Land Use Map designation for 51 acres (Victoria Parcels 5 and 9) at the northwest corner of Ocotillo and Ellsworth Loop roads from Medium Density Residential (MDR), 2-3 homes per acre, to Town Center, 20 acres of commercial development, 8 acres of office use, and 23 acres of high-density residential apartments at 18 dwelling units to the acre
Have they not learned anything from Gilbert's problems with apartments. Just because the home market has changed the developers want to change all the rules. That property has been designated to be medium density for years. Leave the land empty versus apartment buildings until the market changes.
By East Valley Tribune
East Valley Tribune
updated 4:45 a.m. MT, Tues., July. 15, 2008
Mesa, Arizona - The amendments were buried in Gilbert's Tuesday City Council meeting agenda. Items 23 and 24: Requests to rezone two land parcels near Higley and Queen Creek roads.
They were amendments proposed by developers to change town plans, essentially to allow construction for apartments. Several years ago, the motions may have passed.
But not Tuesday.
Apartments are becoming a concern in Gilbert, and not just for officials. Residents and police also have raised issues.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25657943/Last edited on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 03:50 pm by Bravo
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jrenae
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 02:50 pm |
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Oh geez. No more high density and no more apartments! Enough is enough!
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QCVillager
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 05:29 am |
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News Releases
News Review
Town begins 60-day public agency comment period on major General Plan amendment applications
Posted Date: 7/17/2008
During its July 17 meeting, the Queen Creek Town Council directed staff to begin the statutory 60-day public agency comment period for three major General Plan amendment applications received by the Town on June 16.
The first case, GP08-117, is a request to amend the General Plan Land Use Map designation for 51 acres (Victoria Parcels 5 and 9) at the northwest corner of Ocotillo and Ellsworth Loop roads from Medium Density Residential (MDR), 2-3 homes per acre, to Town Center, 20 acres of commercial development, 8 acres of office use, and 23 acres of high-density residential apartments at 18 dwelling units to the acre.
The second case, G08-118, is a request to amend the General Plan Land Use Map for 130 acres (Victoria Parcels 10, 11 and 11a) at the northeast corner of Ocotillo and Hawes roads from Medium Density Residential (MDR), 2-3 homes per acre, to Medium High Density Residential-A (MHDR-A), 0-5 dwellings per acre.
The third case, GP08-119, is a request to amend the General Plan Land Use Map designation for 257 acres at the northwest corner of Queen Creek and Meridian roads from Employment Type A to 20 acres of Employment Type B, 20 acres of Community Commercial, 138 acres of Medium High Density Residential-A, 0-4 dwellings per acre, and 79 acres of Medium High Density Residential-B, 0-8 dwellings per acre.
The public agency comment period will begin on July 23 and end on Sept. 22. Applications and review materials have been mailed to area review agencies.
For more information, visit http://www.queencreek.org or call Principal Planner Fred Brittingham at 480-358-3179.
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