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QCVillager
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Posted: Sat Oct 11th, 2008 04:48 pm |
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TheBigShow wrote: well it's now a week later, did biden drop out or were your talk show hosts just making stuff up? Therenow, you and your dog wanna chime in?
this was already addressed... and considering we saw this type thing in 2000 it isn't something that one can say originated with the "wacko right nut jobs" see my post of Sept 21st...
QCVillager wrote:
however, this type of email isn't new. same basic email circulated in 2000/2004 when it was rumored that Cheney would step down so that John McCain or Colin Powell could come on the ticket
earlier this year there was talk about Bill doing it (instead of Hillary) also... here, from your site... http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/could_former_president_bill_clinton_be_vice.html
snopes is UNDETERMINED - LOL
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/vpchange.asp
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Posted: Sat Oct 11th, 2008 03:50 pm |
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| well it's now a week later, did biden drop out or were your talk show hosts just making stuff up? Therenow, you and your dog wanna chime in?
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Posted: Sun Oct 5th, 2008 07:37 pm |
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I started this thread because I hadn't heard this rumor from anywhere else. I would be totally surprised now if there is any truth to it. #1 there is no reason for Obama to choose another VP when Biden has scored so well. If Palin had rock star status Hillary may be needed to off set that, but Palin doesn't even have lone star status now. #2 Unless it is Biden himself with a major illness I can't see him stepping aside because even with the death of his wife and the responsibility of being a single Dad, he continued to serve our country in the Senate. #3 if there is any reason for a VP candidate to step aside it would be Palin to make room for someone who knows just a little bit about the economy. To quote Bill Clinton"s campaign 16 years ago "It's the economy, Stupid"
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"It's the economy, stupid" was a phrase in American politics widely used during Bill Clinton's successful 1992 presidential campaign against George H.W. Bush. For a time, Bush was considered unbeatable because of foreign policy developments such as the end of the Cold War and the Persian Gulf War. The phrase, coined by Clinton campaign strategist James Carville, refers to the notion that Clinton was a better choice because Bush had not adequately addressed the economy, which had recently undergone a recession.
In order to keep the campaign on message, Carville hung a sign in Bill Clinton's Little Rock campaign headquarters that said:
- Change vs. more of the same
- The economy, stupid
- Don't forget health care.[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_the_economy,_stupid#cite_note-0][1][/url]
It appears that history is repeating again.
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Posted: Sun Oct 5th, 2008 07:07 pm |
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therenow wrote: well big show..spoken as a true left winger...if any conservative makes a statement the response is deny..deny..deny......disiredit the origin..and above all, do not look further into the matter. Been fun Big Show, you are a one person riot of comedy..next? maybe SNL? So you aren't going to detail where you get this awesome insight? Truth is, no where in your daily life do you actually try to get any sort of balanced coverage. I can imagine your day consists of Laura on the way to work. Rush at lunch. Sean on the way home or maybe JD if you work late. Then it's on to Fox News when you settle into your couch. Somehow questioning the fact that you really have zero balance in your life makes me a left winger? Puhlease sir.
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Posted: Sun Oct 5th, 2008 07:05 pm |
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clu wrote: TheBigShow,
Are you stating, for the record, this prediction is nonsense and WILL NOT happen?
I'm saying it's complete nonsense. It's October 5th, let's see has he dropped out...nope.
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Posted: Sun Oct 5th, 2008 07:00 pm |
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| well big show..spoken as a true left winger...if any conservative makes a statement the response is deny..deny..deny......disiredit the origin..and above all, do not look further into the matter. Been fun Big Show, you are a one person riot of comedy..next? maybe SNL?
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Posted: Sun Oct 5th, 2008 06:56 pm |
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TheBigShow,
Are you stating, for the record, this prediction is nonsense and WILL NOT happen?
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Posted: Sun Oct 5th, 2008 06:12 pm |
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therenow wrote: I heard on a talk radio show in mid september that Biden would step down on October 4 due to reasons of health....I guess if hillary is brought on stage, it will reflect on desparation and poor judgement by Obama??
Oh please share with me what talk radio show you heard this on. I can only imagine....I'll take a few guesses...hmmmm let's see..Sean Hannity? Or...Laura Ingraham? Oh I know I know...my absolute favorite and he's local...JD Hayworth. Was I right?
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Posted: Sun Oct 5th, 2008 05:13 pm |
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| I heard on a talk radio show in mid september that Biden would step down on October 4 due to reasons of health....I guess if hillary is brought on stage, it will reflect on desparation and poor judgement by Obama??
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Posted: Sun Oct 5th, 2008 12:30 pm |
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Let's see if the prediction unfolds ...
Headline:
October 5th, 2008
Biden cancels campaign events, illness in family
http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/10/05/biden-cancels-campaign-events-illness-in-family/
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Posted: Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 04:05 pm |
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My apologies Blackberry.
I watched the various news channels last night, including Fox, and I saw the Senator from Alaska speak of Palin. They were good friends for 12 years, but when Palin got in office, she begin to change. She became a one man band, Palin, and if you approached her about an issue that you perceived as different, Palin would snub you and walk away. When they would have high level meetings with Palin in the Governors office, Palin's husband would stay in the meetings. This senator is a Republican leader in Alaska.
The question in my mind is this: Is Palin VP material? Does she qualify for the job? Can she and McCain handle this meltdown, as McCain is still talking about deregulation, and that is what got us into this mess in the first place.
Again, I think the only way that we are going to know about their abilities is to listen to the upcoming debates, starting this Friday. That will be the way we will see how they handle these problems. I don't care if it's a Republican or Democrat. What I care about is what policies do they believe in and how will they handle the economy and the nuclear threat that Iran poses.
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Posted: Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 03:32 pm |
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Sounds like a plot for a good political thriller movie.
There's no chance Palin would even dream of being swapped for Romney. Palin was a political checkmate.
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Posted: Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 09:22 pm |
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Bambi wrote: I know nothing of the email, but your efforts speak of "dirty politics.", just what we are trying to remove from our Country.
He had an aneurysm removed many years ago, along with two blood clots, which almost took his life then.. Are you stating they have returned, as they are life threatening.? Not to be taken lightly.
I wasn't interested in "dirty politics". I was trying to expose the email if it was dirty politics.
I assume that if Obama now wants Hillary and if Hillary would even consider now after not being picked first, they would need something major and believable to make the swap. I'm not sure the vice-president is much to worry about with Obama because he probably will not have a last heart beat in office. McCain on the other hand might so his VP in my opinion needs to be better qualified. If I was going to make up rumors at this point I would say that Sarah Palin would then be swapped for someone like Mitt Romney that could handle the financial Mess we now find ourselves in.
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Posted: Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 03:14 am |
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CrimeFighter wrote:
Biden was a disaster of a choice for a VP. He has the personality of cardboard. The problem is, Obama was too petty of a person to select Hillary, and now his campaign realizes that they screwed up. It's pretty unlikely that they change horses at this point, as it would highlight the fact that Obama screwed up.
Obama has screwed up from the get go. Why change now? If he wasnt such a great public speaker he would be history by now.
He accomplished one thing. He made his wife proud of her country. Somebody should stick a flag pin in his forehead.
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Posted: Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 02:45 am |
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| Biden was a disaster of a choice for a VP. He has the personality of cardboard. The problem is, Obama was too petty of a person to select Hillary, and now his campaign realizes that they screwed up. It's pretty unlikely that they change horses at this point, as it would highlight the fact that Obama screwed up.
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Posted: Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 02:36 am |
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Bambi, i don't think this is one of those instances where someone talks of one thing but is simply trying to introduce some other negatives about a person. this isn't someone's sneaky way to bring a health question about Biden into the mix.
there truly is talk all over the internet and even from the Democrat camp that this very thing is something that Obama and Democrat party have considered. you must admit that it would be the BIGGEST October Surprise this country has ever seen. and that if it wasn't floating all over the internet and was something that truly no one knew about in advance that it likely would help Obama. i honestly beleive that Obama would have a much much better shot at the Whitehouse if he had Hillary as his #2 instead of Biden.
however, this type of email isn't new. same basic email circulated in 2000/2004 when it was rumored that Cheney would step down so that John McCain or Colin Powell could come on the ticked
earlier this year there was talk about Bill doing it (instead of Hillary) also... here, from your site... http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/could_former_president_bill_clinton_be_vice.html
snopes is UNDETERMINED - LOL
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/vpchange.asp
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Posted: Sun Sep 21st, 2008 11:58 pm |
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I know nothing of the email, but your efforts speak of "dirty politics.", just what we are trying to remove from our Country.
He had an aneurysm removed many years ago, along with two blood clots, which almost took his life then.. Are you stating they have returned, as they are life threatening.? Not to be taken lightly.
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Posted: Sun Sep 21st, 2008 08:26 am |
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I received this email. has anyone else? Any truth to this?
On or about October 5th, Biden will excuse himself from the ticket, citing health problems, and he will be replaced by Hillary. This is timed to occur after the VP debate on 10/2.
There have been talks all weekend about how to proceed with this info.
Generally, the feeling is that we should all go ahead and get it out there to as many blog sites and personal email lists as is possible. I have already seen a few short blurbs about this - the 'health problem' cited in those articles was aneurysm. Probably many of you have heard the same rumblings.
However, at this point, with this inside info from the DNC, it looks like this Obama strategy will be a go. Therefore, it seems that the best strategy is to get out in front of this Obama maneuver, spell it out in detail, and thereby expose it for the grand manipulation that it is.
So, let's start mixing this one up and cut the Obamites off at the pass - send this info out to as many people as you can - post about it on websites and blogs - etc.
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