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CrimeFighter
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Posted: Sun Oct 5th, 2008 08:32 pm |
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| Playing the race card is a primary Democratic strategy to get an otherwise inexperienced and unqualified candidate elected. Bigshow just repeats what he hears from all of the left wing media outlets, where it's simply accepted as fact that most Republicans are racist. What I find most amusing is that 9 out of 10 blacks support Obama. When have we ever seen that kind of racial consensus for any other candidate? The racists are the people who are voting for a candidate only because of his race.
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Posted: Sun Oct 5th, 2008 08:22 pm |
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TheBigShow wrote: If you honestly believe his detractors haven't tried to paint him as the scary black Muslim extremist from day one, then you have blinders on.
There are some minority, fringe whackos out there, sure (on boths sides, even). Lumping all Republicans and Conservatives in that fringe element is unfairly stereotyping, something I thought you were against.
The far right of the bell curve is a minority. The far left of the bell cure is a minority.
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Posted: Sun Oct 5th, 2008 07:00 pm |
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clu wrote:
... when you're thinking about evil black men have done ...
And enjoy the next 4 years with a black man in the white house. I for one can't wait.
TheBigShow, you've brought it up Obama's race twice now [emphasis mine]. Why? No one else did. Why are you trying to make a race issue of this? No one else has.
Trying to imply Obama debunkers are racist (or care whether he's black) is just plain sickening. Why do you do that? This is an unfair tactic, and quite transparent. It makes you look bad; very bad.
Who the hell cares if he's black? That's got nothing to do with people's arguments, accept yours.
If you honestly believe his detractors haven't tried to paint him as the scary black Muslim extremist from day one, then you have blinders on.
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Posted: Sun Oct 5th, 2008 06:51 pm |
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| Hackery? I guess you didn't Google the CAC and Aberdeen to see a different point ov view about Obama and his radical, left wing ideals,and the fact that he outright lied about it as he does so often, "my uncle freed the prisoners in WW2, I read and article in Life mag, ets, etc just who is the real Obama...we may find out too late. Oh oh..I just realized..you are left wing..way out there where the air is rare and anyone who opposes Obama is a racist...forget the "enquiring minds" left wingers don't think for themselves they cling to their guns and religion..oops..there I go again. Because Stanlet Kurtz is a conservative is not a reaon to discard what he has found after research of public records..or did some conservative plant those records..hmmn..but I suppose that CNN, MSNBC and Time Mag are relaible and unbiased at the least they have given Obama a pass on his origins from the corrupt Chicago Daly machine to a candidate for President..all with 140 days in the Senate and no accomplishments..that is experience ..well "keep the change" Someday a real journallist will get to it but then we will be a Socialist Nation with Nanny Government taking care of us dumb citizens.
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Posted: Sun Oct 5th, 2008 06:49 pm |
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... when you're thinking about evil black men have done ...
And enjoy the next 4 years with a black man in the white house. I for one can't wait.
TheBigShow, you've brought it up Obama's race twice now [emphasis mine]. Why? No one else did. Why are you trying to make a race issue of this? No one else has.
Trying to imply Obama debunkers are racist (or care whether he's black) is just plain sickening. Why do you do that? This is an unfair tactic, and quite transparent. It makes you look bad; very bad.
Who the hell cares if he's black? That's got nothing to do with people's arguments, accept yours.
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You mean THE Stanley Kurtz who writes for the conservative publications, National Review and The Weekly Standard? Would this also be the same Stanley Kurtz who is a fellow at the conservative think tank Hudson Institute. Like I said, go ahead and find some actual credible sources that don't have an ax to grind or spend their days doing character assisination. I didn't quote The Huffington Post or Daily Koz. Why don't you do some real homework and find a publication that isn't working on behalf of a candidate and instead, is working to be balanced. I'd start with Time magazine as I did, which has completely debunked the theory that they are best of friends and that Obama heads over to his house for midnight bomb making sessions. I can tell you guys on the right are getting scared because instead of actually addressing the issues you are personally dealing with, you bring up all the old character assisination stuff that's been debunked. What's next, Jerome Corsi?
If you'd like to talk about questionable figures, perhaps you can also do some work into the associations Mrs. Palin and her First Dude have with the Alaska Independence Party. That's a party that believes that Alaska should be made a part of Canada. That freedom loving hockey mom recorded a message for their annual convention. While she's supposedly never been a member, her husband was a card carrying member. So see if Stanley Kurtz, Michelle Malkin or whoever you like to read when you're thinking about evil black men have done any sort of hard hitting pieces on this news. Thanks for the hackery, it sure is fun to read.
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Posted: Sun Oct 5th, 2008 05:42 pm |
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| Big show...try googling the "Annenberg challenge"...then try "Stanley Kurtz" who did an exhuastive study in spitte of being denied access to records but prevailed, on the Obama/Ayers time together as co chairs of that and CAC. Then read on to see where the money was granted and where it was refused. Then check the results of the intended purpose of the board "to improve education in the worst school district in the nation (according to then Education secretary Willima Bennett. The results of the effort by the Annenberg/CAC lad by Obama and Ayers was zilch after millions some was granted to the "Juneteenth organization, an offshoot of the Rev Wrights "church". . Check it out..enquiring minds and all that.
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Posted: Sun Oct 5th, 2008 05:19 pm |
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| well you've done the work on funding out they've met. Everyone knows that, but Time, Chicago Sun Times, Washington Post and several newspapers all investigated this and found no evidence that they were close or that Obama shares the views of Ayers. But since you want to bring up their time together, most of it was spent on the board of a charity. Cindy McCain spent her time at a charity stealing drugs. Next time you cut and paste, try to actually use an objective source, it just makes you look like a right wing hack when you don't.
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Posted: Sun Oct 5th, 2008 05:08 pm |
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well big show..here is some humor...just for you
In 1995, State Senator Alice Palmer introduced her chosen successor, Barack Obama, to a few of the district's influential liberals at the home of two well known figures on the local left: William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn....
Wondering whether the three may have crossed paths is not speculation. It is a fact that they have. Ayers, Dohrn, and Obama have appeared together at a number of gatherings and academic events. In November 1997, Ayers and Obama participated in a panel at the University of Chicago entitled Should a child ever be called a “super predator?” to debate “the merits of the juvenile justice system”.
In April 2002, Ayers, Dohrn, and Obama, then an Illinois State Senator, participated together at a conference entitled “Intellectuals: Who Needs Them?” sponsored by The Center for Public Intellectuals and the University of Illinois-Chicago. Ayers and Obama were two of the six members of the “Intellectuals in Times of Crisis” panel.
This information, along with the fact that Obama served with Ayers on the Board of the Woods Foundation, gives the lie to Obama's claim that he doesn't know Ayers very well. And both of those forums at U of C were set up by none other than Michelle Obama in her capacity as University of Chicago PR executive; eviidently she too saw nothing wrong in glad handing with terrorists.
It is beyond belief that the press is just now getting around to this, the most incredible of all Obama radical associations. And the scary thought is that it will change few minds about Obama and his hypocritical brand of "new politics."
Oh and here is another shot for you...knowing your aversion to religious matters..how about the Rev Wright who for 20 years Obama sat and listened to his sermons of hate for America and racist rants. do you mean that for 20 years and association with radicals that Obama is now a changed man? hearty har har..and as for my dog..she thinks you are ugly too.
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Posted: Sun Oct 5th, 2008 05:09 am |
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therenow wrote: Here is Obama Mountain Man
Perhaps when McCain brings forth Obama's radical associates, Ayers and Dohrn former weather underground founders, Rezco jailed felon who made millions with Obamas help in low income housing, Jim Johnson preferred loans from Countrywide, (forced to resign as VP selection Chair,) The Chicago Annenberg fiasco, Financial support for ACORN while a community organizer with Ayers, Obama campign contributing 800,000 to ACORN in Ohio for voter registration and same day voting. Some of the people rounded up for the registration and "same day vote" (how can eligibility be verified?) were homeless with no permanent address. Franklin Raines was forced to resign as head of Fannie Mae aftr cooking the books for millions in bonuses (an advisor to Obama on mortgage lending).The list goes on: Obama is a politician from the old school Chicago political machine.."Keep the change Obama" if he is elected can one imagine the likes of those on his cabinet??!!
Executives at Fannie Mae cooked books to pocket an extra twenty-seven million dollars in bonuses.”
Other proposals by Obama such as allowing bankruptcy judges to rewrite mortgage agreements dry up credit markets even before they are enacted. If you were a lender, why would you sign a contract with a home owner if the terms of the contract could be rewritten at some future date?
As Obama's chances of victory this November increase, the likelihood of these regulations rises and both house and stock prices fall.
Shall we bring up a few of McCain's friends? Ted Stevens, Charles Keating....etc. As far as William Ayers is concerned, several newspapers looked into the story and every one of them said Obama and him don't associate with each other and barely know each other.
When it comes to helping people vote, should we bring up Republican efforts to use foreclosed homes in an attempt to commit voter caging? This is the tactic where you send a letter to someone's home. If they don't reply because they either threw it out or just didn't reply, you go to the secretary of state and challenge their right to vote. This was done with great success in 2004. But guess what....it's illegal.
Therenow, while I hate that photo of your dog, I do have to say I love how much you make me laugh. Thanks for all the good humor. And enjoy the next 4 years with a black man in the white house. I for one can't wait.
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Posted: Sat Oct 4th, 2008 05:58 pm |
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Here is Obama Mountain Man
Perhaps when McCain brings forth Obama's radical associates, Ayers and Dohrn former weather underground founders, Rezco jailed felon who made millions with Obamas help in low income housing, Jim Johnson preferred loans from Countrywide, (forced to resign as VP selection Chair,) The Chicago Annenberg fiasco, Financial support for ACORN while a community organizer with Ayers, Obama campign contributing 800,000 to ACORN in Ohio for voter registration and same day voting. Some of the people rounded up for the registration and "same day vote" (how can eligibility be verified?) were homeless with no permanent address. Franklin Raines was forced to resign as head of Fannie Mae aftr cooking the books for millions in bonuses (an advisor to Obama on mortgage lending).The list goes on: Obama is a politician from the old school Chicago political machine.."Keep the change Obama" if he is elected can one imagine the likes of those on his cabinet??!!
Executives at Fannie Mae cooked books to pocket an extra twenty-seven million dollars in bonuses.”
Other proposals by Obama such as allowing bankruptcy judges to rewrite mortgage agreements dry up credit markets even before they are enacted. If you were a lender, why would you sign a contract with a home owner if the terms of the contract could be rewritten at some future date?
As Obama's chances of victory this November increase, the likelihood of these regulations rises and both house and stock prices fall.
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Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 03:22 pm |
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| And before the baseball season began, almost all the "experts" picked the Detroit Tigers to win the World Series. They didn't even make the playoffs. So much for the experts and pollsters.
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10/02/08
AP Poll: Obama 7-point lead over McCain
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WASHINGTON - Barack Obama has surged to a seven-point lead over John McCain one month before the presidential election, lifted by voters who think the Democrat is better suited to lead the nation through its sudden financial crisis, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll that underscores the mounting concerns of some McCain backers.
Likely voters now back Obama 48-41 percent over McCain, a dramatic shift from an AP-GfK survey that gave the Republican a slight edge nearly three weeks ago, before Wall Street collapsed and sent ripples across worldwide markets.
On top of that, unrelated surveys show Obama beating McCain in several battlegrounds, including Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania - three states critical in the state-by-state fight for the presidency.
Several GOP strategists close to McCain's campaign privately fret that his chances for victory are starting to slip away.
These Republicans, speaking on condition of anonymity to avoid angering the campaign, point to several factors: Obama's gains nationally and in traditionally GOP states, no McCain gain from the first debate, McCain's struggles with economic issues as the financial crisis has unfolded and deepening public skepticism about his running mate, Sarah Palin.
They said McCain's options for shaking up the race are essentially limited to game-changing performances in the final presidential debates or in Palin's vice presidential debate with Joe Biden Thursday night. Short of that, they said, McCain can do little but hope Obama stumbles or an outside event breaks the GOP nominee's way.
Democrats hope Obama is starting to build a lasting lead.
"We have a light optimism," said David Redlawsk, a delegate to the Democratic National Convention who teaches political science at the University of Iowa. "We've already learned in the last several weeks that we can be whipsawed back very, very quickly."
Not all Republican insiders are pessimistic.
Obama's failure to achieve a double-digit lead and maintain it "has given a lot of hope to Republicans," GOP pollster Whit Ayres said. Yet he also allowed, "You can't have a playing field that leans this heavily toward the Democrats and not be nervous."
Added Neil Newhouse, also a Republican pollster: "If anybody thinks we're in for a straightforward next month of this campaign all they have to do is look back at the last 30 days" of topsy turvy developments.
To be sure, the election is still a month away, plenty of time for anything to happen in politics.
Yet the AP-GfK poll shows McCain faces substantial hurdles.
With the perilous financial situation at the forefront of voters' minds, 60 percent in the survey say it's more important to them to choose a president who would make the right economic decisions than a commander in chief who would make the right decisions on national security.
Obama leads among economic voters, with 63 percent support, while McCain is ahead among security voters, with 73 percent.
As the two senators prepared to vote late Wednesday on the administration's $700 billion bailout plan, 16 percent of likely voters said they thought McCain hurt negotiations over the proposal when he bolted back to Washington last week to get involved.
Just 5 percent thought Obama did damage when he returned after a summons by President Bush to attend a White House meeting on the crisis.
McCain also lost ground among likely voters on experience, though he still leads on the issue, while Obama's marks ticked up slightly. And McCain slid a bit as voters meameasured which candidate "cares about people like me," while Obama gained.
Adding to McCain's woes, just 25 percent of likely voters say Palin has the right experience to be president if needed, a huge drop from 41 percent in the previous poll last month.
She posted an enormous loss in confidence among Republicans; three in four had called her experienced enough before, but not even half say that now.
If she was running the helm, she wouldn't know what she's doing," said Caitlyn Pardue, a Republican from Rohnert Park, Calif., who decided last week that she probably would vote for Obama after determining that Palin "doesn't have the breadth of knowledge."
Pardue, 60, called McCain's selection of Palin "pretty ill-advised" and added: "It shows irresponsibility to me."
In Port Orange, Fla., Jaimye Strickland just decided this week that she'll probably support McCain - even though she's "hoping and praying" he doesn't end up following Bush's path.
"I'm afraid of Obama," the Republican, age 56, said. "He doesn't have the experience that McCain does." She also said she worries that "he has some Muslim ties," even though she knows he's a Christian.
Outwardly, McCain's campaign expresses optimism, and advisers say they expect the race to reset itself several more times.
But privately some advisers acknowledge the difficult seas he is trying to navigate as the economy dominates the race. The Republican has previously agreed that the subject is not his forte, and historically the party in power loses elections during economic recessions.
Seeking traction, McCain sought to change the story line as the week began by questioning Obama's character, particularly during a crisis.
"A vote for Senator Obama will leave this country at risk," McCain said in a scathing speech. "We need a president who will always tell the American people the truth. ... Country first or Obama first?"
Efforts also were under way Wednesday that suggested McCain and the Republican National Committee would start ramping up TV advertising - and going on the air in more media markets - to close the spending gap in Florida, Missouri and other key states. Industry officials say Obama is shelling out $13 million this week compared with $11 million by McCain and the RNC combined.
Meanwhile, it appears Obama may be padding his edge in the Electoral College vote count in key battleground states.
Polls show he has started pulling away from McCain in pivotal vote-rich states that Democrat John Kerry won four years ago and that McCain has made targets this year, including Michigan and Pennsylvania. Surveys also show that Obama is a few percentage points or more ahead in Ohio and Florida, two critical states that Bush won four years ago and that McCain must retain to have any hope of winning the White House.
Quinnipiac University surveys released Wednesday found that Obama's support jumped to 50 percent or more in three of those states: Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania. Combined, they offer 68 of the 270 electoral votes needed for victory on Nov. 4. New CNN/Time/Opinion Research Corp. polls also showed Obama ahead in Nevada, Virginia, Minnesota and Florida, and tied in Missouri.
At the same time, McCain and his Republicans find themselves in the undesirable position of having to defend traditional GOP states they hadn't anticipated. Obama successfully put Indiana, Virginia and North Carolina into play by pouring money and manpower into the states at levels until recently unmatched by Republicans.
The AP-GfK poll involved telephone interviews of a nationwide sample of 1,160 adults, including 808 likely voters, from Saturday through Tuesday. Interviews were conducted on both landline and cell phones. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.9 percentage points, 3.4 percentage for likey voters
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major concession, McCain gives up on Michigan
October 2, 2008 - 1:56PM
WASHINGTON - In a major concession, Republican John McCain has abandoned efforts to win Michigan, a Democratic-leaning battleground state the GOP presidential candidate had hoped to capture. Republican officials with knowledge of the strategy said the GOP nominee is removing staff, curtailing advertising and canceling visits to the Midwestern state, which offers 17 electoral votes.......
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