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"Of course I would go with Barack," said Deshawn Tatem, a dreadlocked drug dealer-turned-activist from Chesapeake, Va. But he's never cast a ballot. "Right at 18, I caught the felony." he CAUGHT the felony ? what, like one CATCHES a cold ? unreal !
is Deshawn Tatem REALLY the type of person we even want voting ? a guy who even after his release from prison refuses to acknowledge his wrong doing... instead saying he "CAUGHT" his felony conviction. Deshawn, you CATCH a Cold... you COMMIT a Felony !!!Last edited on Wed Oct 8th, 2008 05:51 am by QCVillager
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gk wrote: MORE OF THE TACTICS THAT THE PARTY OF PROUD&DUM USE
By JEANE MacINTOSH
Last updated: 10:27 am
October 7, 2008
Posted: 9:34 pm
October 6, 2008
CLEVELAND - Volunteers supporting Barack Obama picked up hundreds of people at homeless shelters, soup kitchens and drug-rehab centers and drove them to a polling place yesterday on the last day that Ohioans could register and vote on the same day, almost no questions asked.
The huge effort by a pro-Obama group, Vote Today Ohio, takes advantage of a quirk in the state's elections laws that allows people to register and cast ballots at the same time without having to prove residency.
Republicans have argued that the window could lead to widespread voter fraud because officials wouldn't have an opportunity to verify registration information before ballots were cast.
Among the volunteers were Yori Stadlin and Vivian Lehrer of the Upper West Side, who got married last week and decided to spend their honeymoon shepherding voters to the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections.
Early today, Stadlin's van picked up William Woods, 59, at the soup kitchen of the Bishop Cosgrove Center.
"I never voted before," Woods said, because of a felony conviction that previously barred him from the polls. "Without this service, I would have had no way to get here."
gotta love it !
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hOXV0EOQJsNsfrT8SHlniMtO61zgD93JQONG0
Push to register felons to vote could aid Obama
By DIONNE WALKER and MIKE BAKER – 3 days ago
RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — Undaunted by the heat, James Bailey spent his late-summer afternoons walking Virginia's bleakest neighborhoods on the hunt for ex-cons — each a potential voter who might cast the decisive ballot in this hotly contested state.
Finding them isn't the hard part. It's getting them to admit that a past mistake has kept them from the ballot box.
"People are really, really reluctant to say, 'I lost my rights to vote,'" Bailey said of his quest, which continued in the run-up to Monday's registration deadline in Virginia for the November election.
Nationally, there are roughly 4 million released felons whose convictions have cost them the right to vote at least temporarily, if not permanently. To return to the ballot box, felons must negotiate suffrage laws that vary from state to state, in many cases working with election officials who can be both unfamiliar with the law and hostile to former convicts seeking to register.
Such challenges matter little to Bailey and others trying to return former criminals to voter rolls, an effort they consider crucial in light of the results of the past two presidential elections: A shift of a few hundred votes in Florida in 2000 would have changed the outcome of the presidential race, and the results in 2004 came down to a margin of 119,000 votes in Ohio.
The nonprofit groups and individual activists making the push on felons' behalf agree the effort is broader this year than in previous elections, even if they aren't necessarily making a coordinated push. They expect that effort to benefit Barack Obama more than John McCain, given that the population of former felons is disproportionately black.
Obama has co-sponsored a Senate measure that would allow all ex-felons to vote, but his campaign isn't directly targeting ex-felons for registration. His campaign does include relevant info on its Web site and educates volunteers so they can explain state laws to those who may not realize they have the right to vote, said spokesman Kevin Griffis. this is LAUGHABLE !
"All we're trying to do is make sure that, if someone is eligible, that they know their rights and that if they want to vote, they can take part," Griffis said Tuesday. "I think there's a lot of misinformation out there. Even people who may have been guilty of a misdemeanor feel like the felony laws apply to them and say they can't vote."
McCain has said states should decide whether felons have voting rights. But he personally believes ex-felons should forfeit certain rights when they commit a serious crime and that the right to vote should be restored only on a case-by-case basis — much like Virginia's process.
Roughly 13 percent of black men nationwide have lost the right to vote, according to the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University's School of Law, which advocates the reform of felon voting rights. Black ministers, civic leaders and activists believe they are a rich source of votes for Obama.
"Of course I would go with Barack," said Deshawn Tatem, a dreadlocked drug dealer-turned-activist from Chesapeake, Va. But he's never cast a ballot. "Right at 18, I caught the felony." he CAUGHT the felony ? what, like one CATCHES a cold ? unreal !
Tatem has never made the time to fill out an application to restore his voter rights, a request that would have to be approved by the governor. That means there's no way he'll be able to vote in November.
In Florida, where a new rule means more than 115,000 former felons who completed their sentences are now able to vote, civil rights attorney Reggie Mitchell said he's nonpartisan when he calls felons at home to give them information about registering to vote. But he also acknowledges the obvious.
Blacks represent "about 40 percent of the people who've gotten their rights lost and restored," Mitchell said. "With an African-American running, and such a critical mass, this could have a tremendous impact."
Kenneth Glasgow served 14 years on robbery and drug charges in Alabama. Now a pastor, Glasgow launched a voter registration drive inside the prisons in Alabama, where state law allows voting by felons convicted of lesser crimes such as possession of small amounts of drugs, battery or attempted burglary — even while still serving a sentence.
Glasgow, a Democrat, estimates as many as 70,000 felons in Alabama might be eligible to vote but haven't registered. Bringing them to the polls, he said, has the potential to alter the state's political landscape.
"It's not a black-white thing," Glasgow said. "It's that people will see Republicans standing against having people's rights restored while the Democrats aren't."
The state Department of Corrections halted Glasgow's registration drive after two days because of complaints from the chairman of the Alabama Republican Party that registering inmates without adequate monitoring could lead to voter fraud. Fewer than 80 inmates filled out registration forms. The NAACP Legal Defense Fund has filed suit challenging the prison commissioner's decision to stop the registration drive.
Only two states — Maine and Vermont — place no limits on voting due to a criminal conviction; even prison inmates can cast a ballot. Kentucky and Virginia are the only two states that permanently bar felons from voting, although the governors of those states can restore voting rights to individuals.
Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear streamlined the process in March, and has since restored the rights of more than 740 released convicts. Virginia Gov. Timothy M. Kaine promised to fast-track applications for voter restoration that his office received by Aug. 1, adding three people to his staff to process applications before Monday's registration deadline.
Applications in Virginia jumped from 76 for all of July 2007 to 138 in a single week this summer. Kaine, the governor for nearly three years, had restored the rights of 2,633 felons as of Monday, according to his spokesman, Gordon Hickey.
Laws in the other 46 states are varied, some of them a relic of the Jim Crow era, according to the Brennan Center. Eight states permanently bar felons convicted of certain crimes from voting, while the others restore the right after a sentence is completed, including parole, or as soon as an inmate is released from prison.
Faulkner Fox, who leads organizing efforts for the group "Durham for Obama" in North Carolina, said volunteers there frequently explain to shocked ex-felons that they can register to vote.
The confusion isn't limited to felons. Researchers at the Brennan Center and the American Civil Liberties Union interviewed election officials in 23 states from 2003 to this year. In a report released Wednesday, the groups said many officials in those states didn't understand voter eligibility rules for felons or how they can register to vote.
Among the problems: officials telling those convicted of misdemeanors they had lost the right to vote, failing to distinguish between probation and parole, and illegally demanding documentation. The researchers also found election officials who said they wouldn't help a felon register, which concerns civil rights groups such as the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
"We still find election officials at the polls in too many cases only ask African-American males if (they) have a felony offense," said Hilary Shelton, director of the NAACP Washington bureau.
The confusion works both ways. In some cases, the researchers found election officials willing to register felons who were not yet eligible to cast a ballot under that state's law — a potential case of criminal voter fraud.
The ACLU, the NAACP and others support a nationwide standard that would restore voting rights to all inmates once they leave prison.
"Once a single local election official misinforms a citizen that he is not eligible to vote because of a past conviction, it is unlikely that citizen will ever follow up or make a second inquiry," the ACLU and Brennan Center report said. "The citizen will mistakenly believe that he is ineligible to vote for years, decades, or maybe the rest of his life."
But getting the information right, and then registering felons, isn't a guarantee of results. Tatem, the former felon from Virginia, isn't sure how much of a difference people like him will make.
"If they got their rights tomorrow, most of them probably still wouldn't vote," he said. "When you've been caged for so long, you can leave that cage open and some folk won't go through."
Mike Baker reported from Durham, N.C. Associated Press writer Jay Reeves in Birmingham, Ala., contributed to this report.
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Posted: Tue Oct 7th, 2008 08:19 pm |
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MORE OF THE TACTICS THAT THE PARTY OF PROUD&DUM USE
By JEANE MacINTOSH
Last updated: 10:27 am
October 7, 2008
Posted: 9:34 pm
October 6, 2008
CLEVELAND - Volunteers supporting Barack Obama picked up hundreds of people at homeless shelters, soup kitchens and drug-rehab centers and drove them to a polling place yesterday on the last day that Ohioans could register and vote on the same day, almost no questions asked.
The huge effort by a pro-Obama group, Vote Today Ohio, takes advantage of a quirk in the state's elections laws that allows people to register and cast ballots at the same time without having to prove residency.
Republicans have argued that the window could lead to widespread voter fraud because officials wouldn't have an opportunity to verify registration information before ballots were cast.
Among the volunteers were Yori Stadlin and Vivian Lehrer of the Upper West Side, who got married last week and decided to spend their honeymoon shepherding voters to the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections.
Early today, Stadlin's van picked up William Woods, 59, at the soup kitchen of the Bishop Cosgrove Center.
"I never voted before," Woods said, because of a felony conviction that previously barred him from the polls. "Without this service, I would have had no way to get here."
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| i for one will sure be glad when this Silly Season is over. seems that people lose all sense of REASON during the final days to election
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All right! There's another one! We're really coming out of the woodwork now!
This is good for you, people. It doesn't help you to sit here and talk to each other, pretending that the whole country is made up of people who think like you.
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Posted: Tue Oct 7th, 2008 07:56 pm |
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gk wrote:
another of the usual tactics from those who have no answers, either attack or try to marginalize those who see you for what you are........pathetic!
Also known as the McCain-Palin strategy.
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| another of the usual tactics from those who have no answers, either attack or try to marginalize those who see you for what you are........pathetic!
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Posted: Tue Oct 7th, 2008 02:27 am |
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| So who else are you besides QC? I hope there really is only one gk - also I hope his computer never crashes, because without this outlet who knows how dangerous he could be!
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helloworld wrote: Hey - just figured something out! I went browsing, and I see that you copy your post on a whole list of threads. Good idea.
I'm leaving now - I'll probably check back in a couple of weeks. Hope gk takes his meds.
Bye.
i posted my response to the hatchet jobs i could find. you see, the hatchet jobs were created by the same one or two people using a couple of aliases each (they think it makes their support seem so much stronger... but anyone who frequents these forums has seen the same tired tactic used over and over)
so... i posted the same response to the same accusations. actually, take a look at PinalDEMOCRATBooster... he/shee posted the same things in Pinal County, Gold Canyon, Apache Junction, and Queen Creek public issues forums.
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good bye assassin. You won't be missed!
Hey.......wait! ........you forgot your other two sh*& throwers. Take them with you!!!
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Hey - just figured something out! I went browsing, and I see that you copy your post on a whole list of threads. Good idea.
I'm leaving now - I'll probably check back in a couple of weeks. Hope gk takes his meds.
Bye.
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Well, I guess "prouddem" has a name that speaks for itself. I'm certainly not shy about admitting my partisanship. I don't know about the other one. Anyway, why is that any different than all of you "regulars" who claim to be conservative or Republican?
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i have been on these forums for a long time now and see the same thing every election time.
one or two people with about 2 or 3 aliases each coming out of the woodwork... not to point to anything great their own candidate has done or shown propensity to do... but instead to do a "hatchet job" on the other candidate. sometimes there is an obvious partisan twist to it (as there is with PinalBooster, helloworld and prouddem)
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| Once again, what are you saying? That you think it's funny that a sheriff candidate is cheating?
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This has the potential to be a very fun to watch panic attack it gets funnier every day
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| Yes-that's so true! I understand why Martyn and the Babeu guy are supporting each other - they're two of a kind. Babeu especially has NO QUALIFICATIONS. And just think - the guy who'd be enforcing traffic laws, and making YOU pay your tickets, weaseled out of paying his own!
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| Not sure what you're saying - any Dem is bad because of San Tan Flats? Guilt by association, I guess. Okay - follow it through. I have never seen any indication that Ms. Shope was ever associated with Griffis. Martyn, however, has been supported by Sandie Smith, an incumbent, who was never indicated in any ciminal behavior, but could be said to be tainted by association. Also, Martyn took money from someone DIRECTLY involved with the crimes of Stan Griffis. That's the patriot you're talking about. The corruption connection leads directly to him. If you want it to continue, vote for Martyn.
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For those that live in Unincorporated areas of Pinal County and have zip code 85242 or 85243. I wouldn't profess to tell you how to vote, but might suggest simply that you ask a few questions to help you make your choice...
1) Are you happy with how growth has been handled along the Hunt Hwy or Meridian / Gary corridors?
2) Are you happy with the levels of ammenities in your area? enough Parks? Library close by?
3) Is Hunt Hwy improved to the width you would think it should be with a population closing in on 50,000 residents in the area?
4) Do you think the County "missed the bus" with respect to collecting impact fee's on oh those many homes built in the area (from 2002 until just recently) when impact fees would have actually helped to provide some of the necessary infrastructure that is sorely lacking?
5) Are you happy with the way Pinal County handled the San Tan Flats issue?
6) Are you ok with the fact that the Pinal County BOS (again, under Dem control since forever) a few years ago blocked the addition of a fourth seat/district?
7) Are you happy with the job the BOS has been doing with respect to oversight of County Mgr Stan Griffis who as we know embezzeled more than $400,000 and an additional $200,000 worth of "salary spiking" in the three years prior to his retirement and ultimate incarceration?
Dems have been in control of the area since forever. If you are happy with all of the above, then by all means... vote in yet another DEM. If not, then vote for a Patriot who has served his country well and has the spirit of service in his heart and will work to move your County forward!
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| it's kinda funny watching the Democrats go into panic mode over possibly losing their total control of Pinal County. This has the potential to be a very fun to watch panic attack
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| Deliberately missing the point. NOT A SINGLE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE, INCUMBENT OR NOT, HAS BEEN IMPLICATED BY THE GRIFFIS CORRUPTION CASE. Not a single one. And not a single Republican candidate in the county has NOT tried to taint every Dem candidate, without a single shred of evidence. When the connect-the-dots finally happens, who is it? Martyn. If anything, this is even worse than the tacky Babeu story.
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Democrats seem awfully intent on retaining their stranglehold over Pinal County.
i wouldn't call your story "the other shoe drops" PinalDEMOCRATBooster since really this is simply more of the same. it is the same things Dems have been trying to make political hay over for a couple of months now and the same complaints from this story of a couple of days ago. http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/127244
ironic actually, since Dems have held power forever and oversaw the corruption of Griffis (including the $30k Tanzania Safari) and others for years. now that it is politically expedient though... they want to cry foul over a $390 campaign contribution.
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