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 Posted: Sat Oct 18th, 2008 04:39 pm
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CrimeFighter wrote: There we go.  Let's grade the two previous posts for content relative to the discussion at hand and intelligence:

BWD's post:  D- 

BigShow's post:  B+

It will always be BigShows perogative to be the standardbearer for the evil side of all forum discussions.  Keep it up BigShow!

 
Another well thought out and wonderfully articulated post.  Or did I once again miss your attempt at humor and sarcasm?  As to  your post below where you show the Arizona Right to Life endorsements, can we assume since you posted it you would agree with all their recommendations? 

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There we go.  Let's grade the two previous posts for content relative to the discussion at hand and intelligence:

BWD's post:  D- 

BigShow's post:  B+

It will always be BigShows perogative to be the standardbearer for the evil side of all forum discussions.  Keep it up BigShow!

 
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Nimble on my feet...I like that.  I prefer to use the phrase "he interjects actual facts into an argument."  Gee wiz, 2 pages over an abortion license plate.  What's next for the right wing license plate agenda?  Screw the poor?  Gays can suck it?  Or my favorite Anita Bryant for President 2012?
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CrimeFighter wrote: clu wrote: ...Those who don't know any better may think you are winning the argument with this tactic.




Clu,

What BWD has done successfully is bore me out of the discussion.  It's only so entertaining to argue with a guy who 90% of the time doesn't understand the argument and has repeatedly proven himself to be incapable of producing either a coherent argument or, just as important, an entertaining one. 

I never thought I would say this, but I'm starting to miss BigShow.  He is a little more nimble on his feet, so to speak.  Maybe Nilbog can become my new nemesis, he's shown some promise in the up and coming recruiting class.
Does this mean you're taking your ball and going home?  We'll miss you!
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clu wrote: ...Those who don't know any better may think you are winning the argument with this tactic.




Clu,

What BWD has done successfully is bore me out of the discussion.  It's only so entertaining to argue with a guy who 90% of the time doesn't understand the argument and has repeatedly proven himself to be incapable of producing either a coherent argument or, just as important, an entertaining one. 

I never thought I would say this, but I'm starting to miss BigShow.  He is a little more nimble on his feet, so to speak.  Maybe Nilbog can become my new nemesis, he's shown shown some promise in the up and coming recruiting class.


Amen!
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clu wrote: ...Those who don't know any better may think you are winning the argument with this tactic.




Clu,

What BWD has done successfully is bore me out of the discussion.  It's only so entertaining to argue with a guy who 90% of the time doesn't understand the argument and has repeatedly proven himself to be incapable of producing either a coherent argument or, just as important, an entertaining one. 

I never thought I would say this, but I'm starting to miss BigShow.  He is a little more nimble on his feet, so to speak.  Maybe Nilbog can become my new nemesis, he's shown some promise in the up and coming recruiting class.

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Bambi wrote: gk wrote: Are you the messiah?  Are you judging me?

See ya at Sarah's Party.

of course not!

Am I judging you? Everyday every person makes judgements. I am not judging you, I am judging the morality of murdering babies just because they are inconvenient

OBAMA! You can't be serious......are you serious?

Who are you now?  Joe the Plumber?       Sorry...I'm unlicensed and in hock with the IRS, but I believe McCain will rescue me.

OMG (as they say) Too Funny !  yet ANOTHER award is in order for Bambi coming up with the oh so appropriate and hilarious smiley.  regardless of where you are on an issue... one always has to look forward to her smileys !  this Joe the Plumber smiley though is a new personal favorite !

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gk wrote: Are you the messiah?  Are you judging me?

See ya at Sarah's Party.

of course not!

Am I judging you? Everyday every person makes judgements. I am not judging you, I am judging the morality of murdering babies just because they are inconvenient

OBAMA! You can't be serious......are you serious?

Who are you now?  Joe the Plumber?       Sorry...I'm unlicensed and in hock with the IRS, but I believe McCain will rescue me.

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gk wrote:  does he also get RIGHTS ?  as in having a say as to whether baby is carried to term or not ?They have NO RIGHTS to Abortion


The Reverend Kibler has spoken.  Theocractic principles in action, over-reaching the Democratic Principles placed in action by our Forefathers via the Constitution.

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Are you the messiah?  Are you judging me?

See ya at Sarah's Party.

of course not!

Am I judging you? Everyday every person makes judgements. I am not judging you, I am judging the morality of murdering babies just because they are inconvenient

OBAMA! You can't be serious......are you serious?

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 does he also get RIGHTS ?  as in having a say as to whether baby is carried to term or not ?They have NO RIGHTS to Abortion
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QCVillager wrote: Bambi wrote: gk wrote: I guess with having no one to answer to but yourself' you can say, do and feel anything that you want to !

BTW having an abortion is no right

Real convenient having no GOD to answer to.


Are you the messiah?  Are you judging me?

See ya at Sarah's Party.

Party ?  What Party ?  people know i love a party... alas, no invite :(

Stop that.   Look at the post about two or three below here.  It's a Sarah Palin Party....to rid us of this possibility she might have to act as our President.

Did you get the email I sent you?

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Bambi wrote: gk wrote: I guess with having no one to answer to but yourself' you can say, do and feel anything that you want to !

BTW having an abortion is no right

Real convenient having no GOD to answer to.


Are you the messiah?  Are you judging me?

See ya at Sarah's Party.

Party ?  What Party ?  people know i love a party... alas, no invite :(
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QCVillager wrote: Bambi wrote:
She .....She.....She.....She.....all I hear is She.  She made the choice?  Even in Rape?  Even in boyfriend says it's only her he loves and will be with her forever....blah blah blah...lies by necessity of the time.  Naiveness.


Now how did that young girl get pregnant ?  Immaculate Conception perhaps?  Did the father of the child have anything to do with it you think, or was it just her decision?  If he was a part of the transaction, then why not castrate him, so we're sure he won't make any more innocent young girls pregnant again?  That type of punishment will keep him and the rest of his gender, from making the wrong decision next time he see's a girl he wants to lay.....but "hopefully" not impregnate?  Won't have to worry about an abortion at least.  Besides, we need more eunuchs around the house.

  


so... now this gets interesting...  you are saying that the father of the as yet unborn child has some culpablity... i agree entirely.

now here comes the interesting part... since you have seemed to open the door to the father having some cupability... does he also get RIGHTS ?  as in having a say as to whether baby is carried to term or not ?

If the father will own up to his part of the transaction, then yes; it is definetly a joint decision.  But, from my experience, most run the other way.  That's why they brought up the term...."SHotgun Weddings."  Do or die.  Without that threat, they usually paid for the abortion.
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gk wrote: I guess with having no one to answer to but yourself' you can say, do and feel anything that you want to !

BTW having an abortion is no right

Real convenient having no GOD to answer to.


Are you the messiah?  Are you judging me?

See ya at Sarah's Party.
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MoveOn for Obama Party
Can you make it this weekend?


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Where: Val Vista/Guadalupe/Baseline (in Gilbert)


When: Sunday, Oct. 19, 2008, at 2:00 PM


What: It's time to shoot for a landslide! We'll hop on our cell phones and call 250,000 MoveOn members in swing states to get them out volunteering for Obama.


Plus, we'll cap off the party by watching some of the hilarious Sarah Palin skits from Saturday Night Live!





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I can come




Sorry, I can't make it this time.



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Bambi wrote:
She .....She.....She.....She.....all I hear is She.  She made the choice?  Even in Rape?  Even in boyfriend says it's only her he loves and will be with her forever....blah blah blah...lies by necessity of the time.  Naiveness.


Now how did that young girl get pregnant ?  Immaculate Conception perhaps?  Did the father of the child have anything to do with it you think, or was it just her decision?  If he was a part of the transaction, then why not castrate him, so we're sure he won't make any more innocent young girls pregnant again?  That type of punishment will keep him and the rest of his gender, from making the wrong decision next time he see's a girl he wants to lay.....but "hopefully" not impregnate?  Won't have to worry about an abortion at least.  Besides, we need more eunuchs around the house.

  


so... now this gets interesting...  you are saying that the father of the as yet unborn child has some culpablity... i agree entirely.

now here comes the interesting part... since you have seemed to open the door to the father having some cupability... does he also get RIGHTS ?  as in having a say as to whether baby is carried to term or not ?
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I guess with having no one to answer to but yourself' you can say, do and feel anything that you want to !

BTW having an abortion is no right

Real convenient having no GOD to answer to.
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gk wrote: I did not mean to imply that the father should be left out of his responsibility. He should be accountable to finance the birth either thru his parents or a job. Both are responsible, but your comment was only about the girl, as was my response.

Why are you so afaid of morality and peoples beliefs in GOD? How did he pi** you off?




this is a public issue forum on politics......they don't mingle, remember?  Constitution we're talking about....not religion/God.  I'm not pissed off.  Just standing up for my Constitutional rights as an American woman and trying to keep the legislation of morality out of it.

Did you read what Iran said about our Democracy?  They are happy that we are suffering.  We are impious people and deserve what we get.  Those are the words of a Theocracy, of which we will become if you continue to try and legislate morality.

I will believe in who I choose to believe in and will embrace my own codes of what is just and what isn't in my life as here as an American woman functioning under the Constitution, not the Bible, or the Koran or the Torah or anything else that speaks of moral justice.

That Eunuch bother you gk?  Try this guy......  he appears to be in love with himself.
   



Sorry....I've got to go and fight off the porn posters on my site that have no morals.  they keep coming back.  It's becoming a full time job.  Now that's something I'd fight for.....removing those sites that eventually lead to an abortion.



  


 

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I did not mean to imply that the father should be left out of his responsibility. He should be accountable to finance the birth either thru his parents or a job. Both are responsible, but your comment was only about the girl, as was my response.

Why are you so afaid of morality and peoples beliefs in GOD? How did he pi** you off?
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gk wrote: unaware of a young mother's trauma of pregnancy and choices encompassing her mind and body, both moral and physical. 
If a young girl FFTT, and gets pregnant she made a conscious decision to avaoid any kind of ramifications of her actions. With all of the forms of birth control and education available it was her choice, and she needs to step up and take responsibility for those actions

I just don't buy the excuse of being scared et. et. (poor little girl)

The murder of a baby is not the way out of her dilema. She made the choice........now live with it. If she does not want to keep the child she can give it up, there are plenty of people who want to adapt.

And it is NOT just John Birchers of the far right that believe this

BTW.........as of now we have been unable to practice morality in our daily lives, so maybe it does need to be legislated, because adults just do not seem capable of practicing it!
She .....She.....She.....She.....all I hear is She.  She made the choice?  Even in Rape?  Even in boyfriend says it's only her he loves and will be with her forever....blah blah blah...lies by necessity of the time.  Naiveness.


Oh...it's pastor GK coming into the conversation.  Now how did that young girl get pregnant pastor?  Immaculate Conception perhaps?  Did the father of the child have anything to do with it you think, or was it just her decision?  If he was a part of the transaction, then why not castrate him, so we're sure he won't make any more innocent young girls pregnant again?  That type of punishment will keep him and the rest of his gender, from making the wrong decision next time he see's a girl he wants to lay.....but "hopefully" not impregnate?  Won't have to worry about an abortion at least.  Besides, we need more eunuchs around the house.

  

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unaware of a young mother's trauma of pregnancy and choices encompassing her mind and body, both moral and physical. 
If a young girl FFTT, and gets pregnant she made a conscious decision to avaoid any kind of ramifications of her actions. With all of the forms of birth control and education available it was her choice, and she needs to step up and take responsibility for those actions

I just don't buy the excuse of being scared et. et. (poor little girl)

The murder of a baby is not the way out of her dilema. She made the choice........now live with it. If she does not want to keep the child she can give it up, there are plenty of people who want to adapt.

And it is NOT just John Birchers of the far right that believe this

BTW.........as of now we have been unable to practice morality in our daily lives, so maybe it does need to be legislated, because adults just do not seem capable of practicing it!

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Oh, I see we're still trying to legislate morality over here.  Nothing changed.  Still the same ole mentality of long ago that people can't seem to shake off.  Much easier to sit comfortably in your computer chair, talking about prolife/prochoice, unaware of a young mother's trauma of pregnancy and choices encompassing her mind and body, both moral and physical.  Choices she must make, to appease who?  You? Your moral compasses?  Your feelings of right and wrong?  Your decisions and lifestyles? 

Only until it's your daughter or wife lying on that hospital bed, attempting to reconcile all the information and spirtual guidance she has received, to use that information to make a possible life or death decision for herself and/or her child, will you know for sure just what a woman will go thru during this time....Let's hope that time never arrives, so you and your loved ones don't have to face that decision.  Until then, your words are just that....empty words without empathy or understanding of this physical/moral plight of a woman.  

And scrap those plates. 

Now, come on after me you far rightwing Boys.  Any JOhn Bircher's out there? How's the Deacon doing?  Still Preaching?  Hurry and google your answers, as you can't relate on an experience level. I'm ready for ya!  

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clu wrote: Look, there are a lot of people on here that agree 100% with CF on a huge number of topics s/he posts on.

You can continue to publicly make fun of him/her for his/her beliefs. Or you can actually attempt to address the topic(s) on this and other threads of conversation.

It is so much easier to attack the person and not the argument. Those who don't know any better may think you are winning the argument with this tactic. But the college educated folk (or at least those who paid attention) know better. When you attack the person and not the argument it is called ARGUMENTUM AD HOMINEM. Yes, it's latin, look it up. This common deceptive diversion is learned about in Philosophy-101 courses. When a non-gentlemen cannot win an argument, they usually resort to argumentum ad hominem.

As a group you've participated in this lame position of "If it ain't good enough for CF, it ain't good enough for nobody!" This is classic argumetum ad hominem. You attack the person instead of the argument, because you have no argument, or no logic to produce a coherent argument. You've adopted "Group Think," an attraction by non-independent, non-critical thinkers.  Look it up!

Marginalizing CF reveals much more about you than it does CF.

This post is NOT an attempt to defend CF as CF has proved s/he is extremely capable in warding off these annoying attacks and doesn't need any help.  CF has produced the most cogent arguments I've seen on any of these forums thus far.


 Clu,  with all due respect please don’t lump “the group” in with me.  I have coined the phrase “If it aint good enough for CF, it aint good enough for nobody”.  There is no other person I am aware of that has used it and I feel it is a just and fitting phrase.  I just want to set the record straight.  That said, who are “a lot” of people here that agree with CF 100% on a huge number of topics he posts on? A few topics probably, but a huge number?  I have not agreed on many of the subjects he has posted on, and respond to the ones I don’t.  Forgive me if I don’t feel the need to schlep on the ones I do agree with.  I don’t agree 100% with any poster (myself excluded) on any of the forums.  I don’t agree with MOST of what he posts on, therefore I feel it is warranted to state my objections to his positions when I feel they are one-sided, show intolerance, or attempt to shove his opinions down my throat.  I have argued my positions with him, but in the end, we just flat out disagree on a great many things.  Could that be possible because of his “generous use” of what he calls “humor and sarcasm”?  He certainly comes up with some pretty ridiculous analogies.   I take exception to your inference that I am a “Non Gentleman”.  If you were generalizing, please accept my apology, but if you were, it was uncalled for and an error in your judgment.  I have never tried to PERSONALLY attack CF.  I have called his positions intolerant, homophobic, hypocritical, bigoted and sometimes shortsighted.  Have I come close to the line?  More than likely so.  I have also praised him for sticking to his guns and his beliefs whether or not I agree with him or not. Can he say the same?  I think not. He has not.

 

“ Can't everyone picture BWD at one of these raves, tweaked out on Ecstacy, sucking a binky and waving multi-colored glow sticks through the air while dancing semi-nude with his friends Luna, Wiggles, and Pixie-Mum?  Clearly I hit a sensitive vein BWD, far be it from me to come down on you and your people.   What is your rave-name, "Jiggles"?” 

 

Above is a quote directly from CF to me.  Who is attacking the person and not the argument?  While your attempt to paint me as an uneducated attack hound (hound being my word) is probably pleasing to CF, you are way off base.  All you have to do is actually look at the words in the posts carefully and you’ll see who the attack dog is.  It is possible to have true disagreements and still shake hands after it is all said and done.  I can guarantee you he is not the type of person I would have as a friend, and I’m sure he would say the same about me.  While I appreciate your attempt to educate me, I’m not thinking I really need it.  There is a Dog Latin phrase I like to use.  Illegitmi non Carborundum.  Roughly translated it means “Don’t let the bastards grind you down”  Before you attempt to bust my chops on it, I do realize that Carborundum is not a Latin word so let’s nip that one in the bud.  Wouldn’t want my uneducated mind to offend someone. CF and I will continue to have our disagreements on subjects and I’m sure neither of us will back off our positions because quite frankly, neither of us can make an argument to the other good enough to facilitate the change. 

 

If you think CF has produced the most cogent arguments you’ve seen on any of these forums thus far, you must know that we probably disagree on most subjects also.  I don’t have a problem with that as I can defend myself to anyone.  I have reason to question your motives about it though and probably will in the future.   I am comfortable with my positions, and take great pride in my ability to defend them.  Until next time, be well, stay aware and stick to your guns also.

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Look, there are a lot of people on here that agree 100% with CF on a huge number of topics s/he posts on.

You can continue to publicly make fun of him/her for his/her beliefs. Or you can actually attempt to address the topic(s) on this and other threads of conversation.

It is so much easier to attack the person and not the argument. Those who don't know any better may think you are winning the argument with this tactic. But the college educated folk (or at least those who paid attention) know better. When you attack the person and not the argument it is called ARGUMENTUM AD HOMINEM. Yes, it's latin, look it up. This common deceptive diversion is learned about in Philosophy-101 courses. When a non-gentlemen cannot win an argument, they usually resort to argumentum ad hominem.

As a group you've participated in this lame position of "If it ain't good enough for CF, it ain't good enough for nobody!" This is classic argumetum ad hominem. You attack the person instead of the argument, because you have no argument, or no logic to produce a coherent argument. You've adopted "Group Think," an attraction by non-independent, non-critical thinkers.  Look it up!

Marginalizing CF reveals much more about you than it does CF.

This post is NOT an attempt to defend CF as CF has proved s/he is extremely capable in warding off these annoying attacks and doesn't need any help.  CF has produced the most cogent arguments I've seen on any of these forums thus far.

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CrimeFighter wrote: Amen DeaconDave.  Abortion is a growth industry to these nuts.  Why not just start carving up prisoners and selling off their organs piecemeal?  What's the difference?
Why all the hate?  First you hate on gays, then McDonalds hamburgers, then you hate on BigShow for his dupies and barskanks (fyi it's doobies) and now you want to do a slice-n-dice on prisoners!  Why must you be this way?  Oh I know....if it aint good enough for CF, it aint good enough for nobody!
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Amen DeaconDave.  Abortion is a growth industry to these nuts.  Why not just start carving up prisoners and selling off their organs piecemeal?  What's the difference?
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TheBigShow wrote: ah yes the black babies story. Pulled that little gem out huh. One phone call with a receptionist who obviously wasn't paying any attention to the call is their national position? Just curious, have any of you actually been to a planned parenthood clinic?
Not a national position, just another example of how they are trying to exterminate minorities through sterilization and abortion.  To answer your question, yes, I've been inside planned parenthood.  I also know women who've had abortions and have seen the effects of abortion in a very real and personal way.  Don't think for a moment that I'm not aware of the tactics that planned parenthood uses.  Approximately 1.3 million abortions are performed each year in the US.  Planned parenthood provided about 80% or just over 1 million of them.  At about $300 per abortion, you tell me what their focus is.  The nice place that offers so many free wonderful services for the community or a place that pushes it's abortion product for the sake of making a buck.  I know I'm not going to change your mind on abortion.  But, I'm also not going to sit back and let you portray planned parenthood as a wonderful place that is great for the community.
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ah yes the black babies story. Pulled that little gem out huh. One phone call with a receptionist who obviously wasn't paying any attention to the call is their national position? Just curious, have any of you actually been to a planned parenthood clinic?
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TheBigShow wrote: DeaconDave wrote:
In 1932, that mindset was acceptable. In 2008, it's not. I don't think the planned parenthood organization is in any way tied to any white supremacist movement, I think you know better than to even imply that.

You are incredibly naive if you think that planned parenthood is not still trying to exterminate minorities.  Why do you think most clinics are located in the inner-cities?  Did you know that you can donate to planned parenthood and request that your money is spent solely on the abortion of black babies?  Take your head out of the sand and open your eyes to what they're all about.
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DeaconDave wrote:
"I accepted an invitation to talk to the women's branch of the Ku Klux Klan...I saw through the door dim figures parading with banners and illuminated crosses...I was escorted to the platform, was introduced, and began to speak...In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were offered." (Margaret Sanger: An Autobiography, P.366)

"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
Margaret Sanger's December 19, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence
Gamble

In 1932, that mindset was acceptable. In 2008, it's not. I don't think the planned parenthood organization is in any way tied to any white supremacist movement, I think you know better than to even imply that.

The above are quotes from the founder of planned parenthood.  This is the organization that does so much good in our communities?  Those of you who support these agents of death should look a little further into the philosophies of their founder and understand what it is they're all about.

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Arizona Right to Life carefully evaluates candidates and endorses those who espouse pro-life positions.  Here are their endorsements for 2008:


General Election Endorsements for 4 November 2008

Note: Every reasonable effort is made to survey all candidates in the various identified races.  However, due to circumstances beyond our control, we may not reach every candidate.  Additions may occur as questionnaires are returned to our office.


 



PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES - John S. McCain
 
 
CONGRESS


CD1 - Sydney Hay - R
CD2 - Trent Franks - R
CD3 - John Shadegg - R
CD4 - No Endorsement
CD5 - David Schweikert - R
CD6 - Jeff Flake – R
CD7 - No Endorsement
CD8 - Tim Bee – R

 
STATE LEGISLATURE
 
House 1 - Andy Tobin - R, Lucy Mason - R
House 2 - No Endorsement
House 3 - Nancy McLain – R
House 4 - Judy Burgess – R, Tom Boone – R
House 5 - Bill Koponicki – R, Jack Brown – D
House 6 - Sam Crump - R, Carl Seel – R
House 7 - Nancy Barto – R, Ray Barnes – R
House 8  - John Kavanagh – R
House 9 - Debbie Lesko – R, Rick Murphy – R
House 10  - Jim Weiers - R, Doug Quelland -R
House 11 - John Altmann – R, Adam Driggs – R
House 12 - Rev. Eva Nunez-D, Jerry Weiers – R, Steve Montenegro – R
House 13 - Timothy Schwartz – R
House 14 - No Endorsement
House 15 - No Endorsement
House 16 - Ray Williams – R
House 17 - Mark Thompson – R, Wes Waddell – R
House 18 - Cecil Ash – R, Steve Court – R
House 19 - Kirk Adams – R, Rich Crandall - R
House 20 - Jeff Dial – R, John McComish - R
House 21 - Steve Yarbrough - R, Ward Nichols – R
House 22 - Andy Biggs – R, Laurin Hendrix – R
House 23 - John Fillmore –R - Frank Pratt – R
House 24 - Russ Jones – R
House 25 - Timothy Davies – R, David Stevens - R
House 26 - Vic Williams – R, Marilyn Zerull – R
House 27 - No Endorsement
House 28 - No Endorsement
House 29 - Gil Guerra – D, Juan Ciscomani – R, Pat Kilburn – R
House 30 - Frank Antenori – R, David Gowan – R

 
STATE SENATE
 
Senate 1 - Steve Pierce – R
Senate 2 - Royce Jenkins – R
Senate 3 - Ron Gould - R
Senate 4 - Jack Harper – R
Senate 5 - Sylvia Allen – R
Senate 6 - Pam Gorman – R
Senate 7 - Jim Waring – R
Senate 9 - Bob Burns – R
Senate 10 - Linda Gray – R
Senate 11 - Barbara Lef – R
Senate 12 - John Nelson – R
Senate 13 - No Endorsement
Senate 14 - No Endorsement
Senate 15 - No Endorsement
Senate 16 - No Endorsement
Senate 17 - Jesse Hernandez – R
Senate 18 - Russell Pearce – R
Senate 19 - Chuck Gray – R
Senate 20 - John Huppenthal – R
Senate 21 - Jay Tibshraeny – R
Senate 22 - Thayer Verschoor – R
Senate 23 - No Endorsement
Senate 24 - No Endorsement
Senate 25 - No Endorsement
Senate 26 - Al Melvin - R
Senate 27 - No Endorsement
Senate 28 - No Endorsement
Senate 29 - No Endorsement
Senate 30 - Jonathan Paton - R


 
ARIZONA CORPORATION COMMISSION
 
Bob Stump - R

 
MARICOPA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
 
SD1 - Fulton Brock – R*
  SD2 - Don Stapley - R
SD3 - Andy Kunasek – R
SD4 - Max Wilson – R
SD5 - No Endorsement

*Although candidate Ed Hermes (D) turned in a prolife questionnaire,
we are endorsing prolife voting record Fulton Brock.
 
MARICOPA COUNTY ATTORNEY
 
Andrew Thomas - R

 
MARICOPA COUNTY SHERIFF
 
Joe Arpaio - R

 
JUSTICE OF THE PEACE
 
Eric Tampellini  - Gilbert - District 22

 
MARICOPA COUNTY SPECIAL HEALTH DISTRICT
 
 SD1 - Rex Altree - R, Bil Bruno - Undisclosed Affiliation
SD2 - Harlan Stratton, MD - R
SD3 - Colette Rosati, RN - R
SD4 -
SD5 - Alice Lara - R*

*Although candidate Todd Hansen (R) filled out a prolife questionnaire,
Arizona Right to Life PAC is endorsing Alice Lara because she has the strongest chance at winning this race

MARICOPA COMMUNITY COLLEGE BOARD

Paul Srch - R
D3 - Debra Pearson - R




    • The Arizona Right to Life State Political Action Committee is a 501(c)5 organization registered with the Arizona Secretary of State. This organization is governed by a separate board of directors who are committed to the principles of Arizona Right to Life. The mission of The Arizona Right to Life State Political Action Committee is to elect city, county, legislative, judicial and statewide candidates who will stand committed and unwavering to the first and foremost Constitutional unalienable right to life and to those principles preserving, protecting and promoting the sanctity of Life. Donations to the State PAC are NOT tax deductible. To find out more about the State PAC, please email PAC(at)ArizonaRightToLife.org.

    http://www.arizonarighttolife.org/index.cfm/events/AZRTL_PAC_Voting_Guide/17
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    TheBigShow wrote: you must have been a very lonely teen. Sorry to hear you feel people who want to have safe sex are degenerates. That's ok because you'll get to foot the bill for pregnant teens instead. Nice foresight there.BigShow, we should expect nothing less from a self righteous, intolerant, homophobic, moral compass wannabe pillar of the community.  I wonder if he recognizes the fact we are living in 2008.  Perhaps he has dreams of leading the next Salem witch hunt or the next Catholic crusades.  After all, if it aint good enough for CF, it aint good enough for nobody!
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    "I accepted an invitation to talk to the women's branch of the Ku Klux Klan...I saw through the door dim figures parading with banners and illuminated crosses...I was escorted to the platform, was introduced, and began to speak...In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were offered." (Margaret Sanger: An Autobiography, P.366)

    "We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Margaret Sanger's December 19, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble

    The above are quotes from the founder of planned parenthood.  This is the organization that does so much good in our communities?  Those of you who support these agents of death should look a little further into the philosophies of their founder and understand what it is they're all about.
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    So you are saying that people who have sex are incapable of buying their own contraceptives without my assistance?  Somehow I don't think people are as incompetent as you would like us to believe.  If people are that incompetent how are they feeding themselves on a daily basis without provisions from me?

    If only I could roll back time to have spent my youth more like BigShow did.  Then I could have contributed so much more to society.  Why focus on getting A's to secure a future university scholarship, work to pay for lifes expenses, or play sports when I could have spent more time rolling dupies and banging the local barskank?  Thank you for setting the example of how we all should have lived.    

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    you must have been a very lonely teen. Sorry to hear you feel people who want to have safe sex are degenerates. That's ok because you'll get to foot the bill for pregnant teens instead. Nice foresight there.
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    Hmmm, so Planned Parenthood kills more babies than any other organization in the United States, but we should still welcome them to our community and dole out tax dollars in their support because they also provide local degenerates with contraceptives?  Kids can pay for their own condoms as far as I am concerned, I don't need to pick up the tab for their reckless behavior.

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    yeah I'd be more than happy to argue the point that people go there for lots of other reasons. Having gone there and seen what is actually going on inside, I think I can say without hesitation that regardless of their abortion ranking (btw they are a nationwide organization so of course they'd do more than any single doctor if you just added up their nationwide totals), they offer many services that provide a positive effect on the community. And mcdonalds makes a pretty good profit on those salads so somebody is eating them.
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    TheBigShow wrote: jeff I don't speak for the pro choice movement but I have never once said the government should pay for abortions. Planned parenthood does much more than abortions.
    Yeah, and McDonald's does much more than just sell hamburgers, but they happen to sell a lot of hamburgers.  Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in the United States.  Big Show, would you also like to argue that everyone really goes to McDonalds for their salads, not their burgers?

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    jeff I don't speak for the pro choice movement but I have never once said the government should pay for abortions. Planned parenthood does much more than abortions. They promote safe sex education plans, offer low priced contraceptives and make information readily available to anyone on issues like how to avoid contracting aids and birth control options. Considering you want to eliminate abortions I figured you'd support those efforts to educate people on how to not get pregnant in the first place. In my teens I went there to get condoms and information. I'm sure there are kids today doing the exact same thing and I'm glad they have that resource.
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    pinalbooster wrote: Uh - yes. See, if it WASN'T like that, then I, and millions of others like me, wouldn't have to see one cent of our tax money being spent on an obscene war that's killed over a million people.

    so if Joe and his band of religious extremists (who have professed that they won't be happy until every member of your family is eliminated. and who have made numerous attempts before with varying degrees of success over the course of years) come over to your house and accomplish a small part of their stated goal and then retreat to a house in some other town to plan their next attack...  you would simply sit in your house and wait for the inevitiable ?  heck, maybe you would try to meet with them... you know... to talk rationally about their religious convictions which cause them to want you dead.

    do you seriously not see a difference in spending tax dollars to protect yours, mine, indeed the collective security of the entire US vs that of an almost universally unnecessary procedure.

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    Uh - yes. See, if it WASN'T like that, then I, and millions of others like me, wouldn't have to see one cent of our tax money being spent on an obscene war that's killed over a million people.
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    TheBigShow wrote: as long as private funds are being used for this stupid idea, have at it. But I'm sure the next arguement from the right will be that taxpayers should cough up money so we can be preached to on our way to work.

    not sure where that is coming from.  perhaps a similar idea to those on the left that would have taxpayers cough up money so that babies can be aborted on our way to work ? ($350m plus to Planned Parenthood alone)

    i won't get into a long diatribe on this since i won't change your mind and you won't change mine, but...

    let me understand the Pro-Choice view... it goes a little something like this (as i understand it)

    1) "Gov't should stay out of my business, it is my choice and Gov't has no business interfering."

    at the same time...

    2) "Gov't should however use Everyone's tax dollars to fund my choice... even where that is morally reprehensible to a great number of people."
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    as long as private funds are being used for this stupid idea, have at it. But I'm sure the next arguement from the right will be that taxpayers should cough up money so we can be preached to on our way to work.
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    Well CF, if that is the way you meant it, then my bad.  I took it as saying although we got our plates, look what kind of a hornets nest we have stirred up.

    As for all the other "lame" causes, there you go again trying to be a moral compass for all of us.  I just don't remember the election where you were elected Judge of Lame Causes.  Please tell me when I missed that.  I guess if it aint good enough for CF, it aint good for nobody!

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