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Superstition Mountain Man
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Posted: Fri Oct 31st, 2008 03:15 am |
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Joe_the_Plumber wrote:
According to the NewsObserver.com, the McCain campaign reacted to Obama’s remark by issuing the statement: “John McCain does not support amnesty or benefits for undocumented immigrants. He has consistently opposed giving amnesty or public benefits to undocumented immigrants.”
I guess the McCain campaign feels that if they bombard the voters with enough lies, then eventually some of them will stick.......The McCain-Kennedy bill, defeated about two years ago, specifically proposed amnesty for 12 million (more like 20 million) illegals.
Just another example of how blatantly transparent McCain and his dysfunctional staffers are!
Last edited on Fri Oct 31st, 2008 07:48 am by Superstition Mountain Man
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TheBigShow
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 09:57 pm |
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The following question was asked: "Washington politicians answer to no one. Can you name one in Washington who is not self involved?"
I answered with the one man who stood up against the Patriot Act and voted no on the war in Iraq. I'm sorry I interupted your Obama bashing session Jeff.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 09:45 pm |
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TheBigShow wrote: Yeah I can. The Senator from Wisconsin, Russ Feingold. No one fights for Constitutional rights more than he does.
i am from Wisc and worked against Feingold in the early 90's. this isn't about him and isn't pertinent anyway... but i have good far left stories about the lawyer from Janesville. for another day.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 08:50 pm |
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| Yeah I can. The Senator from Wisconsin, Russ Feingold. No one fights for Constitutional rights more than he does.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 08:15 pm |
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I believe that of every politician in service in Washington DC. Local Politicians are not the same. They have someone to answer to. Washington politicians answer to no one. Can you name one in Washington who is not self involved?
JD Hayworth. if you like
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Lisa.Coletto.Cohen
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 08:10 pm |
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gk wrote: Of course McLame is lying, he's a politician, they ALL lie.
I find your pessimistic view of ALL politicians offensive. You know, there are some out there who really believe in what they are doing and are trying to work for what they believe is the public good. Sorry if you can't believe that.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 08:06 pm |
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| Is John Hayworth the brother of JD Hayworth, the disgraced congressman who got the heave ho in 2006?
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 07:29 pm |
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Of course McLame is lying, he's a politician, they ALL lie. How many times do I have to say that before you understand. I don't like McLame.
Over the many years he has been a Senator I have written to him probably 100 times, and if I hear anything back it's a stupid form letter that has nothing at all to with what I wrote him about.
Guys like John Hayworth would write to me a personal letter and personally address it to me and kept a dialogue going. He was involved. He worked for the people of Arizona. Jon Kyle has exchanged letters, but McLam is just to darn Lame to get involved with the little people.
But if it comes down to McLame or OdingaObama there is no other choice!
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TheBigShow
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 04:48 pm |
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gk wrote: bigshoes problem is that he actually believes the crap on ObamaCons website. Politicians lie, it's in their makeup. It's a part of who they are.
Then that would mean that McCain is lying too. I recall people on this forum going ballistic that McCain didn't immediately order the deportation of every illegal. You want to know why he and no other politician hasn't offered that? Because it's impossible to do. Things like forcing employers to validate the credentials of their employees is the best way to solve the problem. Dry up the jobs and they'll move onward.
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DavidB wrote: gk wrote: In the few years that he was a Senator........what did he do?
Committed a trillion dollars to foreign countries.
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/920-billion-more-to-bail-out-the-world/
Read the article. It appears that McCain will be endorsing it also. Politics. All politics trying to procure favor from somebody or something that will help their cause.
It appears that anything that is for the underdog is abhorent to many.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 04:11 pm |
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gk wrote: In the few years that he was a Senator........what did he do?
Committed a trillion dollars to foreign countries.
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/920-billion-more-to-bail-out-the-world/
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 03:03 pm |
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bigshoes problem is that he actually believes the crap on ObamaCons website. Politicians lie, it's in their makeup. It's a part of who they are.
In the few years that he was a Senator........what did he do?
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 09:42 am |
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TheBigShow wrote: You do realize this nonsense is totally made up right? Obama has specifically stated his healthcare plan will not be available to anyone here illegally.
Is that right?
Maybe he has stated that. But he also stated that he won't deport them and just put them in line until none of them are illegal anymore. In the meantime, they just show up to the hospital and leave the bill for the rest of us to pay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiUzJB3nagw&feature=related
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 08:22 am |
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You do realize this nonsense is totally made up right? Obama has specifically stated his healthcare plan will not be available to anyone here illegally. The H1-B visa issue is something Bush has pushed for. Guess no one wants to talk about that.
All of the quotes except for one that's taken completely out of context from Obama is just stuff that other people are making up. How you guys trust Newsmax is beyond me. I've shown time and time again how that site lies and yet there you are quoting them again. Go to Obama's website and read his plans. He lays it all out there.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 05:34 am |
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| Cambio amigo.
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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 01:55 am |
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By Obama's own count there are 12 million illegal aliens in the U.S. and he wants them all getting government benefits.
Obama has stated he also wants to give each and everyone of them amnesty and citizenship.
As for them learning English, he has stated he thinks American kids, your kids, should learn Spanish.
There is no doubt this man is the most radical leftist ever nominated by the Democratic party.
We have already exposed Obama's shocking plan to give illegals driver's licenses - even though everyone knows the 9/11 plot began with 13 of the 19 terrorists getting driver's licenses.
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Obama Wants 12 Million Illegals to Get Citizenship
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A Barack Obama administration would be a “nation killer” if Democrats attain a “supermajority” in the Senate, a leading conservative figure on immigration warned Tuesday.
Obama also has said he wants to make the 12 million illegal aliens in the U.S. citizens as soon as he can — an amnesty program that would make them legally entitled to full government benefits, including Social Security and health care.
William Gheen, president of the Raleigh, N.C.-based Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC), says Obama’s plan would make it politically impossible to secure America’s borders. He describes Obama and a new Democratic Congress as a “worst-case scenario” for border and immigration security.
“I would paint that scenario as a nation killer,” Gheen, a former campaign consultant and an outspoken advocate for stronger border control policies, tells Newsmax. “I would expect amnesty to pass within a year. That means in the next presidential election, you will have a new voting bloc of 15 million illegal aliens who turn into voters.
“And that voting bloc,” he says, “especially in the Southwest United States, would be enough to take full control of most city, state, and county governments, thus destroying any future hopes for immigration enforcement or border security.”
Although GOP nominee John McCain has rarely confronted Obama during the campaign over immigration — presumably to avoid alienating Hispanic voters — Obama’s record reflects a clear focus on expanding entitlements to undocumented workers.
As a state senator in Illinois, for example, Obama co-sponsored that state’s version of the DREAM Act, which allowed youngsters in the country illegally to receive in-state tuition. He later supported similar legislation in the U.S. Senate.
During a September campaign swing, Obama told the North Carolina Public Radio station WUNC that the children of illegal immigrants should have an opportunity to attend community colleges.
“For us to deny them access to community college, even though they’ve never lived in Mexico, as least as far as they can tell, is to deny that this is how we’ve always built this country up,” Obama said.
According to the NewsObserver.com, the McCain campaign reacted to Obama’s remark by issuing the statement: “John McCain does not support amnesty or benefits for undocumented immigrants. He has consistently opposed giving amnesty or public benefits to undocumented immigrants.”
Obama, who tends to dismiss discussion of his pro-immigration positions as politically motivated “distractions,” has demonstrated no such reticence to expand entitlements for illegals. Specifically:
Obama’s plan for universal health care would include coverage for illegal immigrants, according to political strategist and Newsmax columnist Dick Morris. Morris has warned that covering illegals “adds dramatically” to the cost of universal health care.
In March, Obama voted to table a Senate amendment that would support the withdrawal of federal assistance “to sanctuary cities that ignore the immigration laws of the United States and create safe havens for illegal aliens and potential terrorists.” McCain did not cast a vote.
Obama supported the McCain-Kennedy immigration reform legislation that was defeated in 2006. Since then, McCain has taken the position that securing the borders must precede immigration reform. Obama continues to support a process to “bring people out of the shadows” and eventually obtain legal status (at which point they would be eligible for the federally mandated benefits available to anyone, such as Social Security). Obama also calls for enhanced border security.
The Democratic candidate for president supports, in principle, providing state-funded welfare benefits to legal immigrants. While a state senator, Obama supported allocating state funds to provide Medicaid coverage to some legal immigrants, according to OnTheIssues.org.
Obama has supported increasing the number of work visas issued each year, such as the H1-B visa, especially for applicants with specialized skills. According to OnTheIssues.org, Obama co-sponsored, along with New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, a bill that would provide federal funding to help states provide health care and education to non-U.S. citizens.
Obama strongly supports encouraging American children to become bilingual and, at one point in the campaign, appeared to suggest it should be mandatory. In June, he voted against a Senate provision that would declare English the national language of the United States. McCain voted for it.
Edward I. Nelson, the chairman of the nonprofit U.S. Border Control organization, warns that “Welfare and in-state tuition are powerful inducements to illegal immigration, as are free medical benefits.”
Nelson says his organization has awarded both Obama and McCain an “F” on their immigration and border control policies.
Gheen says Obama and McCain both would ultimately favor amnesty for illegals, albeit differently.
“Obama would give in-state tuition and driver’s licenses to illegal aliens, then make them legal,” Gheen says. “McCain would make them legal, and then give them in-state tuition and driver’s licenses.”
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