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Posted: Wed Oct 29th, 2008 05:42 pm |
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Bambi, I spent years watching that crap, all of it. It's nothing new and since I stopped listening to the "geniuses" and the so called "experts" did I finally learn something
EVERY SINGLE POLITICIAN LIES, AND LIES SHAMELESSLY
To survive as a politician to day in America you must be able to lie with no consciene, steal, cheat, defraud and grab everything that you can for yourself. I'm talking about the National level politician, Everyone of them is corrupt, and the best that a person can do is chose the one that they think will damage America the least.
Pesimistic? Absolutely!
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Posted: Wed Oct 29th, 2008 04:12 am |
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gk wrote: factcheck.org.
Is that your ONLY source of information? If it is then you are clearly un-informed and single minded.
THere is no sense for me to argue with you as you have nearly no experience in politics of world affairs and your "research? is limited to what middle school kids do. Get some other sources, I give you dozens of different sources......if you rely only on factcheck your knowledge is limited to what they put out.
the end!
Gene. Do me a favor. Watch MSNBC or CNN just once. Put it on "Morning Joe" and you'll get some Republican views, then watch Chris Matthews and Rachal Maddow and Keith Oberman....they are all "straight talkers" and dig for the truth. Just once Gene....with an open mind. I watch them and then I go to Fox and watch them for awhile. There is a stark difference. You feel the same way as I do about Bush, therefore, you have to feel the same about Palin....they "think" alike. McCain is succumbing to the far right and is not himself. He's compromised his principles...that's why he seems so rigid with phoney smiles. He's in a corner and you can't put him in a corner and expect no reaction.
His own advisers have called her a whacko....a diva.
Just watch those programs one time.
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Posted: Wed Oct 29th, 2008 12:38 am |
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| Factcheck.org is an excellent website which does one thing and one thing only, checks out if what's being said is true. It's non partisan, not sure why you'd dismiss that. I look for sources that don't have a bias and are non partisan. Newsmax and Worldnetdaily aren't non partisan. Doesn't matter if you quote them 100 times, that doesn't mean they are correct. Factcheck has a staff of people that go through the issues and determine if it's true or not. They bash Obama right along with McCain for things that are said. Sorry that's somehow not a legit source. Did you actually look at what they said or just dismiss it? I'd be happy to quote lots of other sources but you'd dismiss them all as "mainstream media". Last edited on Wed Oct 29th, 2008 12:41 am by TheBigShow
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Posted: Wed Oct 29th, 2008 12:27 am |
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factcheck.org.
Is that your ONLY source of information? If it is then you are clearly un-informed and single minded.
THere is no sense for me to argue with you as you have nearly no experience in politics of world affairs and your "research? is limited to what middle school kids do. Get some other sources, I give you dozens of different sources......if you rely only on factcheck your knowledge is limited to what they put out.
the end!
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Posted: Tue Oct 28th, 2008 11:07 pm |
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In regards to the driver's licence to illegal aliens charge, here is the investivation Factcheck.org did...
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/a_license_to_kill.html
Consider checking this site anytime you hear anything about either candidate. A lot of what you hear from both sides is often twisted and sometimes an outright lie.
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Superstition Mountain Man
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Posted: Tue Oct 28th, 2008 10:47 pm |
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TheBigShow wrote: The rift isn't surprising because they are very different people and appeal to different portions of the republican base. It would be like Clinton and Obama running together. I get the feeling that the real reason Palin was chosen will come out after the election and it'll be discovered the McCain wanted to bring Romney on board but was told not to for religious reasons. That's not a slam on the LDS but let's be honest guys, there's some people in Arkansas who don't know a d**n thing about the LDS and would rather just sit the election out not to vote for someone they don't see as Christian. Same goes for Lieberman.
Very True..That's what I've heard and read also. Lieberman was first choice and Romney a close second. Palin was selected at the insistence of a Republican insider named Crystal (also a columnist--forgot his first name--but he's a regular on many CNN forums). He pushed the RNC hard for Palin supposedly to unite the party's hard right conservative faction that was disgruntled with McCain being the nominee. This was an effort to extend the 'Olive Branch.'
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Posted: Tue Oct 28th, 2008 10:30 pm |
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| The rift isn't surprising because they are very different people and appeal to different portions of the republican base. It would be like Clinton and Obama running together. I get the feeling that the real reason Palin was chosen will come out after the election and it'll be discovered the McCain wanted to bring Romney on board but was told not to for religious reasons. That's not a slam on the LDS but let's be honest guys, there's some people in Arkansas who don't know a d**n thing about the LDS and would rather just sit the election out not to vote for someone they don't see as Christian. Same goes for Lieberman.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28th, 2008 10:22 pm |
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The McCain-Palin Rift
October 28, 2008 03:27 PM ET
The election's a week away, and the McCain campaign is burying itself before the electorate has a chance to do so. Could McCain's bid turn out to be the worst-run campaign in American presidential history?
It's certainly gunning for the honor. Read on, dear reader, George Stephanopoulos's take:
Palin is going to be the most vivid chapter of the McCain campaign's post-mortem.
McCain argued Monday that he "couldn't be more proud" of his running mate.
However, there is a significant rift inside the McCain campaign.
Those loyal to McCain believe they have been unfairly blamed for over-handling Palin. They say they did the best they could with what they got.... The Palin camp is fighting back, arguing that if the McCain campaign had just let Sarah Palin be Sarah Palin, she would have done just fine on her own.
But some McCain camp insiders tell ABC News they simply couldn't put Palin out in front of the media any more than they did because she wasn't ready.
The McCain campaign is definitely demoralized right now. The blame game has begun.
There is no question that there is a rift between Sarah Palin's camp and that of John McCain inside the Republican campaign, sources tell ABC News.
And you are seeing people within the McCain campaign starting to look to the future.
Not only Palin, but many of the McCain staffers, as well, are circulating their resumes and pointing the finger.
Whenever people in the campaign are starting to worry more about their own reputations rather than whether they're going to win in seven days, there is a significant problem.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28th, 2008 04:03 pm |
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TheBigShow wrote:
As far as the discussion about Obama offering drivers licences to illegals, he never made a specific policy proposal. When asked about it, he said it that it would help to better track who they are and bring them out of the shadows. This isn't new and it was on a nationally televised debate. I remember the moment he said it. Why they are bringing this up as big news now is kinda silly since he said it over a year ago.
To keep better track in order to be able to send mailers with promises of welfare, other public monies and to be able to be able to send them their voter registration cards. If you don't think that this is simply about ensuring future Democrat victories by adding 12million illegal aliens to the government teat then I have some ocean front property in AZ that I would like to sell you.
A year ago this fool wasn't the Democrat nominee for president, he was simply in the running. He was just a guy who came from nowhereville in 2004 having done a short stint in the US senate but not ever having accomplished much of anything real.
I would sleep so much better if Democrats had seen their way clear to nominate Hillary.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28th, 2008 08:39 am |
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McCain fights for comeback in hard-hit Ohio
Monday, October 27, 2008
The Associated Press
CANTON, Ohio - Fading in the polls, John McCain fought Barack Obama for support in economically hard-hit Ohio on Monday, each man pledging to right the economy and turn the page on the Bush era in a state with an impressive record for picking presidents.
Eight days from the election, however, Republicans looked and sounded increasingly like a party anticipating defeat, and possibly a substantial one.
The polls suggest the country is leaning toward an Obama presidency. The Illinois senator runs ahead in national surveys. He also holds an advantage in several polls measuring sentiment in states that voted for Bush four years ago, as well as at least one - Virginia - that last voted for a Democrat four decades ago.
In a fresh show of GOP concern, officials inside both parties said the Republican National Committee was moving into Montana with a television advertising campaign for the first time this year. The party also is expanding its advertising in West Virginia to run statewide. Both states had presumed safe for McCain for weeks, and RNC advertising has generally run in Republican-leaning states where he is in trouble.
McCain himself has endured numerous slights in recent days, including anonymous sniping between his aides and those of running mate Sarah Palin. That came on the heels of the disclosure that clothes and accessories totaling $150,000 had been purchased with donor funds for the Alaska governor and her family.
McCain announced over the weekend that $50,000 worth of merchandise had been returned, and Palin pointedly told one crowd she was back to wearing duds from her "favorite consignment" store in Alaska.
In another blow, fellow Arizona Republican Sen. Jon Kyl speculated openly over the weekend that McCain's candidacy may end in defeat.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28th, 2008 07:31 am |
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GK, I was hoping we could avoid going back to the same nonsense we've been going over and over. I know you love worldnetdaily but Jerome Corsi has been proven to be a liar. I present the following analysis from the non partisan factcheck.org.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/corsis_dull_hatchet.html
As far as the discussion about Obama offering drivers licences to illegals, he never made a specific policy proposal. When asked about it, he said it that it would help to better track who they are and bring them out of the shadows. This isn't new and it was on a nationally televised debate. I remember the moment he said it. Why they are bringing this up as big news now is kinda silly since he said it over a year ago.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28th, 2008 07:23 am |
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Well they also endorsed just about every Republican running in the state of Arizona so that's not entirely surprising. Plus they endorsed Bush in 2000 and 2004. I've never thought the Republic was that left leaning, New York Times I'll agree with ya on that one but not the Republic.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28th, 2008 06:48 am |
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Obama courts illegal aliens
Democrat candidate offers driver's licenses, Social Security benefits to non-citizens
Posted: October 27, 2008
10:52 am Eastern
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
 Editor's Note: The following report is excerpted from Jerome Corsi's Red Alert, the premium online newsletter published by the current No. 1 best-selling author, WND staff writer and columnist. Subscriptions are $99 a year or $9.95 per month for credit card users.
Sen. Barack Obama is competing for the Latino votes by offering a wide range of government benefits – even to admitted illegal aliens.
During the Oct. 30, 2007, style="FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 17px; COLOR: blue! important; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', Georgia, Serif; POSITION: static"Democratic Party
 debate at Drexel University, Hillary Clinton ventured into a minefield by suggesting illegal aliens should be issued driver's licenses.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79221
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Posted: Tue Oct 28th, 2008 06:44 am |
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In this past Sunday's edition of the AZ Republic, the LEFT LEANING paper endorsed JOHN McCAIN for President!!!!
I may have to re-up my subscription!
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Posted: Tue Oct 28th, 2008 04:49 am |
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And no more crappy posting pulled from left wing/right wing websites...nobody can bear to read those anyway.
Here's why I dislike Obama's economic plan: when the capital gains tax was reduced to 15 percent it created an increase in tax revenue because it stimulated economic growth. Obama wants to jack it up, thus reducing tax revenue and further crippling our economy when it barely has one good leg to stand on. This issue alone justifies voting for McCain. Even if you don't have any investments subject to capital gains, why would you want to implement a policy that will decrease tax revenue? It's the opposite of what the goal is.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28th, 2008 04:12 am |
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There is a week left until people in this country head to the polls to decide who should lead this country. You know where I stand, I know where most of you stand. I respect our difference of opinions. So why am I posting anything at all? I'm going to ask each and every one of us on this website to spend the rest of the time we have until the election talking about real issues and using real facts. I admit that I've got caught up in the nonsense, all of us have. We have one week left, let's spend that time talking about real issues. Let's stop posting emails we get unless we actually have done the homework to fact check them. Let's stop posting rumors or opinion articles. Let's talk about the issues and be respectful of each others views. That includes me and I start with me. I accept my responsibility to be respectful of your views, I hope each of you will take up the mantle to share my view that we can talk about issues without having to make bs accusations or bring up nonsense issues.
I know some of you may have the immediate reaction of "well you're right there arguing" and you're right. I have. I take responsibility for what I have said, especially anything that was out of line. So I apologize and I hope you'll accept it.
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