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Bambi
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 Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 10:56 pm
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I just want to quickly add this observation:  The polls show an average gap between Obama and McCain of about 6%.

Now, the Halloween costume stores that have been selling Obama masks and McCain masks, report just about the same spread.  Interesting.:cool:

 


  

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 Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 10:49 pm
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TheBigShow wrote: qclars wrote: Bambi:

You overlook Obama's plan to end the current tax cuts which run through 2010.  That will result the largest tax increase in history.


BigShow wrote:
Eventually the Bush tax cuts have to go away.  You can't run the government by borrowing money from other countries.  Never in the history of America has a President given a tax cut in the time of war.  This one did.  Now our debt has skyrocketed.  Then he gave away billions in the forms of 600 checks to all of us.  A big chunk of that money went to the porn industry.  Vivid entertainment thanks you for helping them grow their business btw.

 There's a cycle here and I wish you could see it.  Republicans cut taxes too much and screw up the economy.  Democrats get into office and are forced to raise taxes because the cuts went too deep.  For a while, they too also screw up the economy because they have to make up for lost revenue.  The parties change hands so often we hardly ever get a true balance.  Clinton was about as close as we've ever gotten to having things balanced out but he had to raise taxes on the wealthy to do it.  

  • Making permanent the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts and AMT relief would have a direct cost of $3.7 trillion over the next ten years (fiscal year 2009 through 2018), according to Joint Committee on Taxation and Congressional Budget Office estimates.

  • Without offsets, making the tax cuts permanent would increase the deficit and thereby add to the national debt.  The interest payments needed to service this higher level of debt would amount to about $700 billion over the next ten years.  Thus, the total cost of making these tax cuts permanent, including the related interest costs, would be $4.4 trillion over the ten-year period (see the appendix).

  • Once the tax cuts are fully in effect, their annual cost (not including debt service) will amount to about $400 billion per year.  In 2007 terms, that amount is about eight times what the federal government spent last year on K-12 and vocational education and about ten times what it spent on hospital and medical care for veterans.

  • In today’s terms, that amount also exceeds the combined 2007 budgets of the Departments of Education, Homeland Security, Housing and Urban Development, Veterans’ Affairs, State, Energy, and the Environmental Protection Agency (see Figure 1).


  • When the tax cuts are fully in effect, the cost of tax cuts for just the highest-income 1 percent of households (those with incomes above $450,000 per year) will be larger, in today’s terms, than the entire budget of the Department of Education.  This cost is so high because by 2010, the first year in which all provisions of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts will be fully in effect, households in the top 1 percent of the income spectrum will receive tax cuts averaging more than $60,000 apiece.   (Households with annual incomes above $1 million will receive tax cuts averaging more than $150,000.)
The costs of extending the tax cuts would be piled on top of the cost of already enacted tax cuts.

Bottom line....there has to be offsets




Thus, the tax policy decisions that Congress will make over the next few years will have a profound impact on the nation’s fiscal future.  While putting the nation on a sustainable fiscal path will be very difficult in any case, it will be far more difficult if the tax cuts are made permanent without offsets.  We can only hope that one of these candidates has the intelligence and sound judgment to figure this out.  Barry has already named and met with his advisors and I am very confident that he has the right people as advisers that will pull us out of this slump.  Ending that war is going to be a huge help, as is ridding ourselves of programs that are not working.  These will represent major offsets.

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 Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 08:43 am
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qclars wrote: Bambi:

You overlook Obama's plan to end the current tax cuts which run through 2010.  That will result the largest tax increase in history.
Eventually the Bush tax cuts have to go away.  You can't run the government by borrowing money from other countries.  Never in the history of America has a President given a tax cut in the time of war.  This one did.  Now our debt has skyrocketed.  Then he gave away billions in the forms of 600 checks to all of us.  A big chunk of that money went to the porn industry.  Vivid entertainment thanks you for helping them grow their business btw.

 There's a cycle here and I wish you could see it.  Republicans cut taxes too much and screw up the economy.  Democrats get into office and are forced to raise taxes because the cuts went too deep.  For a while, they too also screw up the economy because they have to make up for lost revenue.  The parties change hands so often we hardly ever get a true balance.  Clinton was about as close as we've ever gotten to having things balanced out but he had to raise taxes on the wealthy to do it.  

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 Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 01:43 am
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OLIVIA JAMIE

CIVICS 101 3rd GRADE



I just had to say this.  We are worried about "the cow"


 
It’s all about the Ice Cream



The most eye-opening civics lesson I ever had was while teaching third grade in 2008.  The presidential election was heating up and some of the children showed an interest.  I decided we would have an election for a class president.  We would choose our nominees.  They would make a campaign speech and the class would vote.


To simplify the process,  candidates were nominated by other class members.  We discussed what kinds of characteristics these students should have. We got many nominations and from those, Jamie and Olivia were picked to run for the top spot.


The class had done a great job in their selections.  Both candidates were good kids.  I thought Jamie might have an advantage because he got lots of parental support.  I had never seen Olivia’s mother.  The day arrived when they were to make their speeches   Jamie went first.  He had specific ideas about how to make our class a better place.  He ended by promising to do his very best.  Every one applauded.  He sat down and Olivia came to the podium.  Her speech was concise.  She said, “If you will vote for me, I will give you ice cream.”  She sat down.  The class went wild.  “Yes! Yes! We want ice cream.”

She surely would say more.  She did not have to.  A discussion followed.  How did she plan to pay for the ice cream?  She wasn’t sure.  Would her parents buy it or would the class pay for it. She didn’t know.  The class really didn’t care.  All they were thinking about was ice cream.  Jamie was forgotten.  Olivia won by a land slide.

Every time Barack Obama opens his mouth he offers ice cream, and fifty percent of America reacts like nine year olds.  They want ice cream.  The other fifty percent know they’re going to have to feed the cow]

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 Posted: Wed Oct 29th, 2008 11:38 pm
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Bambi:

You overlook Obama's plan to end the current tax cuts which run through 2010.  That will result the largest tax increase in history.

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 Posted: Wed Oct 29th, 2008 05:31 pm
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http://www.johnmccain.com/TaxFacts/Family.htm

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 Posted: Wed Oct 29th, 2008 05:30 pm
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HALF TRUE

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/818/

like all of these things, everyone is cherry-picking the facts

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 Posted: Wed Oct 29th, 2008 05:14 pm
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There seems to be controversry over the Obama Tax Plan.  Some are saying he has changed it.  Let's see what Obama says, and not those other biased Websites.

Obama's Comprehensive Tax Policy Plan for America will:
  • Cut taxes for 95 percent of workers and their families with a tax cut of $500 for workers or $1,000 for working couples.
  • Provide generous tax cuts for low- and middle-income seniors, homeowners, the uninsured, and families sending a child to college or looking to save and accumulate wealth.
  • Eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses, cut corporate taxes for firms that invest and create jobs in the United States, and provide tax credits to reduce the cost of healthcare and to reward investments in innovation.
  • Dramatically simplify taxes by consolidating existing tax credits, eliminating the need for millions of senior citizens to file tax forms, and enabling as many as 40 million middle-class Americans to do their own taxes in less than five minutes without an accountant.
Under the Obama Plan:
  • Middle class families will see their taxes cut – and no family making less than $250,000 will see their taxes increase. The typical middle class family will receive well over $1,000 in tax relief under the Obama plan, and will pay tax rates that are 20% lower than they faced under President Reagan. According to the Tax Policy Center, the Obama plan provides three times as much tax relief for middle class families as the McCain plan.
  • Families making more than $250,000 will pay either the same or lower tax rates than they paid in the 1990s. Obama will ask the wealthiest 2% of families to give back a portion of the tax cuts they have received over the past eight years to ensure we are restoring fairness and returning to fiscal responsibility. But no family will pay higher tax rates than they would have paid in the 1990s. In fact, dividend rates would be 39 percent lower than what President Bush proposed in his 2001 tax cut.
  • Obama’s plan will cut taxes overall, reducing revenues to below the levels that prevailed under Ronald Reagan (less than 18.2 percent of GDP). The Obama tax plan is a net tax cut – his tax relief for middle class families is larger than the revenue raised by his tax changes for families over $250,000. Coupled with his commitment to cut unnecessary spending, Obama will pay for this tax relief while bringing down the budget deficit.
 

Impact of the Obama Tax Plan




WHO  
TAX CUT 

Married Couple Making $75,000 with two children, one of whom is in college 
$3,700
 [includes $1,000 Making Work Pay; $500 universal mortgage credit; and $4,000 college credit net of current college credits]  

Married Couple making $90,000
$1,000 

Single Parent making $40,000 with two young children and childcare expenses.
$2,100
[includes $500 making work pay; $500 universal mortgage credit, and $1,100 from Obama expansion of the child care tax credit] 

70-Year Old Widow Making $35,000
$1,900 
Source: Calculations based on IRS Statistics of Income. Tax savings is conservative; does not account for up to $500 in savings from expanded Savers Credit and the $2,500 in savings per family from the Obama healthcare plan




GET THE DETAILS:
Full Obama Tax Plan
Comparison of the Obama and McCain Tax Plans
Key Facts About Obama and Taxes



 





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