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gk wrote: Voting Intimidation By Black Panthers In Philadelphia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCeD1RcJjAg


Someone took raw footage of them, I don't have anything nice to say so I won't say anything else about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU

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Here's a good site to check out Election Returns and Projections.  I did not clear it thru CF, so be careful.....verify it's credibility or run it by him, as he contends all my sources are heavily biased and unreliable and undependable. .....your choice.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com

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Wisdom that is being overlooked:




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http://townhall.com/blog/g/cf47766b-5a6d-44ab-95e7-ce60631bcadc

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Voting Intimidation By Black Panthers In Philadelphia

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Boy I hope he's right. I know I'm going to be glued to the TV all day today. That is, after I drag a couple apathetics to the polls this morning. :lol

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Last night I was reading Paul Marstons site, over the last 45 years he has called every election correctly and his predictions for this one are suprising to say the least.

http://www.marstonchronicles.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=95&Itemid=119

 

(If you happen to take a look at it and are wondering what his story is there is a link on the left to his Biography).

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whirlwinds wrote: It is NOT a racial joke. It is NOT to impune her. She is one part of this candidate that we do know about.  It is a comment on cultural slang that mocks white people, not her as a person.  Maybe we should reflect on statements he himself has made about her that were racial in nature. 
Gotcha.  You're right that Obama has made some very stupid comments about her race.  You're also right that for some reason saying "cracker" or "honky" won't get you fired but the black or Hispanic equivalent terms will.  Just as that Imus guy on the radio.

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Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage!!!
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It is NOT a racial joke. It is NOT to impune her. She is one part of this candidate that we do know about.  It is a comment on cultural slang that mocks white people, not her as a person.  Maybe we should reflect on statements he himself has made about her that were racial in nature.  Again, not posted as a racial joke. Sorry if you were offended.  I guess some of us just can't match your filtering criteria.

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Whirlwinds,

I really don't know why you think it's appropriate to make a racial joke when a person's grandmother dies.  She, more than anything else is the reason Obama has acheived what he has in life.  While I'm not voting for the guy and I think there is a very good possibility that he will be a terrible president if elected, I have to respect the accomplishments that were made possible by this woman.  

 

 

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With the announcement of the passing of his grandmother, I have been wondering...If people of white ethnicity are sometimes referred to as "crackers," would that make this lady his "GRAM CRACKER?"  Just trying to be proper.


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CrimeFighter wrote: Bambi,

I truly am amazed that you continue to defend Wikipedia as a source.  Anybody can post whatever drivel they want on it. 

How about your insider credible source where you got the scoop that Palin's baby was really her daughters, fathered by her husband?  Please defend that source for our entertainment.


You know the nice thing about America, the Constitution, Women's Rights, The Bill of Rights?  It gives me the freedom of choice.  I think I've gained a sufficient amount of discernment thru my research, education and Time journey to be able to separate fact from fiction.  I know how to verify and investigate the truth, as I do it daily. 

And that's what I did with the thousands of accusations that came up about Palin and her daughter and the question of incest and rape and so on at the beginning of her campaign.  Called sifting thru the multitudes of information that was put out there both online; in the papers; on the news; coffee shops; schools..  I didn't say it was the truth.  I said I was going to investigate it, and that's what I did....and that's why I'm not voting for her....from my discoveries from this investigation of her intellect, lifestyle, knowledge, skills and her alliance and sympathy with the organization that wants Alaska to secede from Us, of which her husband is/was a card carrying member....that caused me to toss "radical" around a bit in my mind, along with other colorful adjectives.  It was part of a process one goes thru in discovery.

Now; what does it matter to you what I believe?  It is you who is chastising me for my posts.  Pay more attention to your post.  Nothing on the agreement I signed for Newszap said I had to have your permission to post only what you accept as credible. Nothing gives you the right to censor my comments by replacing them with what you deem right or appropriate.  If so, please show it to me.  Otherwise, don't read my post....post your own research to disprove me and others opinions without condemning them for their opinion, lifestyles, choices, reading material, viewing material, and now resource material, including encyclopedias and other online resources.  You're playing defense, just like McCain's campaign is doing....just throwing out insults, criticisms, name calling, instead of coming back with your argument.  No substance.  Just accusations.

 

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Bambi,

I truly am amazed that you continue to defend Wikipedia as a source.  Anybody can post whatever drivel they want on it. 

How about your insider credible source where you got the scoop that Palin's baby was really her daughters, fathered by her husband?  Please defend that source for our entertainment.

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Now that's some scary sh** !

Imagine the possibilities........a black civilian security force, versus a brown invading force and the white guys trapped in between.........or maybe just kept aroung to pay taxes.

Lets see.......who else had National Security Civilian forces,,,,,,,,,,,,uh..Mugabe, Musolini, remember the brown shirts and the SA of Hitler...so many possibilities.

OF course he will outlaw all gun ownership, so the only ones left with weapons will be the brown invading force from the drug lord money, the blacks with their drug money guns and the whites with no guns just paying taxes.

Yes, the future looks bright for the progressive "all inclusive Liberals" Better known in educated circles as the all exclusive deviant task force.

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gk wrote: Letter from the radical American conquerors, they hate the blacks, they hate the whites, they hate everything!

“After the election, it is you who will be a minority here,” Perez said. “Think of it: Your own government's statistics indicate there are 12 million of what you call "illegals" living in what you call "America". However, we both know that figure is easily triple, but your complicit officials try to hide the truth. Once our beloved Obama is sworn in, he has promised La Raza licenses, increased benefits, and an accelerated path to citizenship for our oppressed brethren. This will open the floodgates and tens of millions of people will crash the gates and demand their rights. So a conservative figure will be say 100 million Hispanics within 10 years. There are already well over 80 million of us here, so now you are talking about 180 million plus the 45 million Negroes who are basically illiterate animals who will vote as the Democrats tell them. Together we will vote every racist honkey out of office and assume control of every local, state, and federal institution. White racists will be made to feel as welcome as the plague. The best thing you can do for yourself and your family is to scurry off to Europe. You are not wanted here. Cheers!”
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Bummer, I was planning on sticking around so I could sign up for Obama's Civilian National Security Force because as we all know our regular military just isn't enough to keep Americans in line these days.  Plus who doesn't love a great  government funded militia group? Just ask the Indonesians! ;)

"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." - Barrack Obama

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

 

 

 

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Letter from the radical American conquerors, they hate the blacks, they hate the whites, they hate everything!

“After the election, it is you who will be a minority here,” Perez said. “Think of it: Your own government's statistics indicate there are 12 million of what you call "illegals" living in what you call "America". However, we both know that figure is easily triple, but your complicit officials try to hide the truth. Once our beloved Obama is sworn in, he has promised La Raza licenses, increased benefits, and an accelerated path to citizenship for our oppressed brethren. This will open the floodgates and tens of millions of people will crash the gates and demand their rights. So a conservative figure will be say 100 million Hispanics within 10 years. There are already well over 80 million of us here, so now you are talking about 180 million plus the 45 million Negroes who are basically illiterate animals who will vote as the Democrats tell them. Together we will vote every racist honkey out of office and assume control of every local, state, and federal institution. White racists will be made to feel as welcome as the plague. The best thing you can do for yourself and your family is to scurry off to Europe. You are not wanted here. Cheers!”
Subcommandante Pedro
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Los Angeles, Alta California Aztlan

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"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."
 
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Do you really not see the correlations in some of ObamaCons tactics?

1. He wants to create a youth Corps that uses a type of indoctrination by marching, singing or chanting and synchronization. Hitler did that with his youth Corps. Obama is doing that with his youth corps, McLame does not do that period.

2. ObamaCon has or had as his associates Ayers, (the weather underground that placed bombs and killed policemen and called for the over throw of the government radical leftist), Pastor wright the bigoted black nationalist radical nut. Nadhami Auchi, Tony Rezko, M. Marzook, Lois Farrakhan, Wacky Quadaffi Duck, Allison Davis, Obango Obama, Odinga, Rachid Khalid, James Meeks, the Annenburg Challenge, and the Woods Fund. All of them distasteful and radical and criminal. McLame has his own extremely associations but none so rabidly unAmerican as ObamaCons.

3 His Socialist and Marxist associations and his plans for America such as "Redistribution of Wealth" a Marxist idea. implementation of a "zero to five" program designed to transfer infant and child raising responsibilities for children under five from parents to the federal government.

No, it's quite fair to associate ObamaCon policies to Hitler and Communist policies

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TheBigShow wrote: Ah yes, the good ol communist line.  If it's not that, it's Hitler.  Perhaps you ought to look at true communism and realize that nothing like it exists here.  Sorry that rich people are asked to pay 3% more.

BigShow:  These are the same tactics that George Wallace used back in the 60's.  Calling Liberals socialists and communists.  Calling liberals names because they drove black children to schools to integrate them.  Swearing not to promote change, but to keep the status quo.....segregation.  It's all based on hate, greed and bias with many of these types of mentalities.  We used to call it the Archie Bunker mentality.....meatloaf was the liberal, forever trying to change Archie's way of thinking, but only to find constant resistance to that change.

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CrimeFighter wrote: Bambi,

Your previous description of a teacher helping her class make a Wikipedia entry is exactly why nobody considers Wikipedia to be reliable; I can get on right now and change the description of Albert Einstein from "theoretical physicist" to "crazy leprechaun".  My change will be entered as gospel until the flunkies that Wikipedia has hired to police the site eventually get around to correcting it, if they know the difference. 

Wikipedia is not even close to credible.  I point this out because you have often used sources that are heavily biased and undependable, and it would save us all a lot of frustration if you stop relying on those sources as legitimate.  The other two sources are fine; I would just suggest that if the opening argument of your post is that you are giving us "credible" sources, that they actually reflect that description.

And you find that youtube site/source that DavidB posted as credible?  I see no mention of that in your post.  So I must assume you deem it credible. hmmmm.


Oh yes.....you are the guy that likes to say...."you always do such and such."  "It would save us all......"

I failed to find your definition of credible in the dictionary.  Are you credible?  Seems not.  CF's definition of credible: "Credible sources are those that have control and strict regulation on the accuracy of their content.  Credible sources have long track records of accuracy. "

Credible using my dictionary means "...offering REASONABLE grounds to be believed." reasonable.  

 Now, that page from Wiki was a biography page of Odinga.  The other two sites were about the incidents a poster was using on here to prove Obama was a socialist and maybe killer of innocents, as one could interpret. I crosschecked before I posted Wiki.

I assumed one would do as Starleen said.....check and cross check, as many of these sites have errors. That's what I do.  I didn't realize that you didn't have those skills, so next time I will ask you what sites you approve of and what you sites you don't.  "They've all been filtered to some degree, and one should  "learn" to dig deep and not settle on the first few hits"....starleen.

Now for this "accusation" about me......CF: "I point this out because you have often used sources that are heavily biased and undependable, and it would save us all a lot of frustration if you stop relying on those sources as legitimate"

Now, once again you are using ....often, heavily.  THen "biased" and undependable.  Then it would save us "all".  Who is all?  Would you please bring forth those "unapproved by you" sources that you say I use....the ones that frustrate you and all the other posters on here, based on your word "us"?  Sorry you are frustrated, but I don't think it is very smart of you to include others on here in that catergory.....after all the word frustration means: " a deep chronic sense or state of insecurity and dissatisfaction arising from unresolved problems or unfulfilled needs."  That may describe your personality but I doubt it does others.  They know how to look and verify people's posts and opinions on here.  They are capable of making good sound judgments via their own research. No one has accused me of frustrating them with my posts.....except you and your "fragile" personality.

Now produce those sites and sources that I "always" post please that have been  causing you so much frustration.  I don't want you to feel insecure.

Produce them please, otherwise your accusations are false.  You have this fetish to put people down to make yourself look right.  Now let's see the evidence Judge CF.

  

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TheBigShow wrote: Ah yes, the good ol communist line.  If it's not that, it's Hitler.  Perhaps you ought to look at true communism and realize that nothing like it exists here.  Sorry that rich people are asked to pay 3% more.

Not yet, but people like you are working on it. It's far more than 3%, but I'm done arguing with you. You're a lost cause.

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What do you think taxes are spent on now?  Candy corn?  Of course it's taken from the upper class and redistributed.  It goes into lots of things.  Some benefit the rich, some benefit the poor.  What he's proposing is putting the money in the hands of people who need it most and can put it back into the system.  That's smart.  Giving it to the rich ensures the money will just be tucked away in places none of us will ever see again. 
Still confused as ever. The rich pay very little in taxes, they use attorneys, loopholes, off shore accounts etc to get out of paying taxes. The tax payers are the middle class. The everday average working Joe who keeps his family fed and clothed and in a house (maybe).

and yes, bigshoe, obamacon uses the tactics of Hitler (his youth corps and their little Alpha/Omega song and dance routine) Redistribution of wealth...........Yep (Karl Marx).

Trying to deny those tactics that are being used is like trying to deny going bald

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Ah yes, the good ol communist line.  If it's not that, it's Hitler.  Perhaps you ought to look at true communism and realize that nothing like it exists here.  Sorry that rich people are asked to pay 3% more.

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TheBigShow wrote: What do you think taxes are spent on now?  Candy corn?  Of course it's taken from the upper class and redistributed.  It goes into lots of things.  Some benefit the rich, some benefit the poor.  What he's proposing is putting the money in the hands of people who need it most and can put it back into the system.  That's smart.  Giving it to the rich ensures the money will just be tucked away in places none of us will ever see again. 

Wow, I wasn't entirely sure before, but now I know that you really are a communist. Thank you for the clarification, Comrade. You know, there's a nice little island off the coast of Florida that is supposed to have really nice weather. Maybe you should check it out.

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What do you think taxes are spent on now?  Candy corn?  Of course it's taken from the upper class and redistributed.  It goes into lots of things.  Some benefit the rich, some benefit the poor.  What he's proposing is putting the money in the hands of people who need it most and can put it back into the system.  That's smart.  Giving it to the rich ensures the money will just be tucked away in places none of us will ever see again. 

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TheBigShow wrote: David, taxing people at different levels has been going on for longer than Obama has been alive.  That's not class warfare, that's how people are taxed.  If you have more, you pay more.  Not sure how that's a hard concept to grasp.

I am very well aware of how the tax system works. Please don't insult me by implying that I don't.

The point here is that he is using 'rich people' as a way to fire up people of lower incomes so they will vote for him. "Vote for me and I'll take it from them and give it to you". This is unbridled class warfare, man. You are making a fool of yourself denying that.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." - Karl Marx and now Barack Obama

 

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David, taxing people at different levels has been going on for longer than Obama has been alive.  That's not class warfare, that's how people are taxed.  If you have more, you pay more.  Not sure how that's a hard concept to grasp.

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TheBigShow wrote: David, there's no class warfare or racial division going on regardless of what you believe about it. 
Thank you for telling me what to believe. Sorry, but when you have "African Americans for Obama" printed on your campaing placards, you are playing the race card. Selectively taxing people at different income levels is class warfare.

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DavidB, Spin Reply is just trying the new Democratic angle of trying to talk in religious terms to all those crazed Republican God-people.  After Bush won twice largely because of the evangelical vote, Democrats decided that they needed to try to act like they care about religion so they could better convince the bible-thumpers to vote for their candidates.

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David, there's no class warfare or racial division going on regardless of what you believe about it.  Obama is ahead in Indiana and Iowa.  Last time I checked, there's a ton of white people in both states.  Kinda hard to do that when you are supposedly in the middle of creating a racial war via your campaign.

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Spin Reply wrote: Beyond that, what are saying but division, fear, and hate.  What is Christian about doing that?

This coming from a supporter of a candidate whose entire platform is based on class warfare and race? How much more divisive can you get?

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Spin Reply wrote: Another Mormon GOP spin machine!  Watch Palin and her foreign view of war:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D9LofMCa8A

Is she qualified for anything?  Beyond that, what are saying but division, fear, and hate.  What is Christian about doing that?

You can go after the mormons for their large financial support of prop 8 in California (especially since they strictly state they don't take part in political issues) but where are you getting the Mormon reference with her remarks?  She's a total kook but she's not Mormon.  She actually goes to an Assembly of God church.

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Spin Reply wrote: Another Mormon GOP spin machine!  Watch Palin and her foreign view of war:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D9LofMCa8A

Is she qualified for anything?  Beyond that, what are saying but division, fear, and hate.  What is Christian about doing that?


Mormon GOP spin machine?  That's a new one.  Who is the mormon, Palin?  Right off the bat you just discredited yourself as not knowing what you are talking about, Spin Reply.  The fact that Palin mistakenly included Iran when talking about the war in Iraq is hardly a conspiracy.  Besides, Iran clearly has been providing weapons and training to many of the terrorists, although Palin obviously misspoke.

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Another Mormon GOP spin machine!  Watch Palin and her foreign view of war:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D9LofMCa8A

Is she qualified for anything?  Beyond that, what are saying but division, fear, and hate.  What is Christian about doing that?

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Well, its all filtered to some degree - google, yahoo, wikipedia...you just have to learn how to dig deep and not settle on the first ten hits.

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/janak/081102

But back to the subject of this forum, Obama and Odinga. To me, this relationship is far more telling than Frank Marshall Davis, Ayers, Rev. White, etc.

I think Obama is still trying to find himself, after a very confusing childhood (with documented communist and socialist influences and religious conflicts) and even early manhood. He wants to relate to Black Americans, descendants of slaves, and carry the torch for oppressed Blacks, but if he is of recent and direct Kenyan descent he can't do that. Even to present himself as a Black American with all the trials of advancement there, he can't - he is half caucasion and raised partially in the unique Hawaiian environ where even whites are minorities, and partially in an Indonesion environ.

Assuming Obama Sr is his father (I personally think Frank Marshall Davis is his father), he has a large extended Kenyan family who he has little or no contact with. It is a hard sell to present himself as his brother's keeper with such a disjointed family background.

Anyway, since Obama is still seeking his ground, I think he would be a dangerous President - subject to many influences and a Democrat puppet.

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not to mention that there has been a history of one particular individual making changes to many of the entries to reflect his views.

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Bambi,

Your previous description of a teacher helping her class make a Wikipedia entry is exactly why nobody considers Wikipedia to be reliable; I can get on right now and change the description of Albert Einstein from "theoretical physicist" to "crazy leprechaun".  My change will be entered as gospel until the flunkies that Wikipedia has hired to police the site eventually get around to correcting it, if they know the difference. 

Credible sources are those that have control and strict regulation on the accuracy of their content.  Credible sources have long track records of accuracy.  Wikipedia is not even close to credible.  I point this out because you have often used sources that are heavily biased and undependable, and it would save us all a lot of frustration if you stop relying on those sources as legitimate.  The other two sources are fine; I would just suggest that if the opening argument of your post is that you are giving us "credible" sources, that they actually reflect that description.

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Before I posted the Wikipedia site, I cross referenced the information with the other two sites, to be sure it was right.  Thats what you have to do with Wiki.....a lesson in itself, in not just using one source but many to arrive at the truth.  If one is wrong....toss it.  Entara is usually more accurate, but distortions have been found there too.  Just calls for more research, which is what we should do in our discovery process anyway....check many sources.:)

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Well even if you throw out wikipedia which I usually don't trust as a source because it can easily be edited by anyone, you still can't discount the work that snopes and factcheck.org have done.  Both extensively fact check and cite sources for their work.  They aren't blogs or offer quotes from people who had nothing to do with the actual even like many sites that are quoted on this forum. 

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CrimeFighter wrote: Bambi, only you would list wikipedia as a "credible" site... that's funny stuff!


Poor man.  Lacking information to substantiate his accusations and "put downs."  Nothing to back up his claim. Do you derive enjoyment putting my posts down in public?  That's now how you win someone over to your side of the argument.  But it is a way to start an argument.  Ive been teaching for a long time and have used Wikipedia as a resource to be verified as have many other teachers and educators.  I gave three resources to verify it with.  That's what you do when you teach research.  Are you a teacher or just a critique?.  Read the statement below from a fellow teacher who used Wikipedia in her classroom.

Once the Wikipedia entry has been fact-checked, the teacher creates a Wikipedia login for the class. They go to the entry’s talk page and present their findings, laying out every idea that needs to be corrected. Then, they edit the actual entry to make the corrections, with all sources cited. Similarly, for all the parts of the entry they’ve verified as accurate, they list sources confirming it. That way, each idea presented in the Wikipedia entry has been verified and referenced - hopefully with multiple sources. Get enough classrooms doing this, you kill several birds with one stone: Wikipedia’s information gets better, students help give back to the Net by improving the accuracy of an important online resource, and teachers have a way to make lemons into lemonade, turning Wikipedia from a questionable information source to a powerful tool for information literacy.

or how about this teacher.......Library Specialist comment

As a Library Media Specialist who is constantly demonstrating research skills and internet evaluation skills - I tell my high school students that at this point in their school careers any general encyclopedia should be used to gain understanding of a topic or for a quick answer to research question.

Are you still laughing or are you conjering up something else in your mind to belittle my comments and suggestions?  It is such a pain to converse with you on here as all I do is defend my words that I am allowed to speak from someone who doesn't think I post the truth.

Now list your "credible" sources to show I'm wrong.

 

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Bambi, only you would list wikipedia as a "credible" site... that's funny stuff!

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 Posted: Sun Nov 2nd, 2008 06:33 pm
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Facts on Obama and Odinga and others.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/kenya.asp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raila_Odinga

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/corsis_dull_hatchet.html

I would suggest staying on Factcheck.org to read up on both of our own candidates and their policies.

.......then VOTE.:)

                                                                   

 

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