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| He also managed Fannie, or was it Freddie I forget, at it's downfall
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The fact that Obama just appointed a conniving little weasel like Rahm Emmanuel as his chief of staff tells you everything you need to know about this administration. It will be more partisan that anything you have seen to date. Well, at least he served in the military, oh wait, it was for another country, not ours. Yes, he also made 18 million in a 3 year career in investment banking. I'm sure that money came with no strings attached.
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Please forgive me for posting the writing of someone else, but I just could not help myself with this one. I HOPE this is NOT the CHANGE we were promised:
OBAMA'S 'CHANGE': BACK TO THE DEMOCRATIC WASHINGTON INSIDERS
By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN
What's with Obama's choice of old-time Clinton cronies and recycled Washington insiders to run the transition to his new politics of change?
Can't the anti-Washington insiders President-elect find anyone who isn't a Beltway has-been?
Judging by the appointments to his transition committee and leaks about possible top staff and Cabinet choices, Obama appears to be practicing the politics of status quo, not the politics of change.
Obama based his innovative campaign on an emphatic and convincing commitment to change the culture of Washington and bring in new people, new ideas, and new ways of doing business.
But now, Obama has definitely changed his tune. As president-elect, he's brought back the old Washington hacks, party regulars, and Clinton sycophants that he so frequently disparaged. Like Jimmy Carter, the last President who ran as an outsider, Obama has reached out to the same old folks who dominate the Democratic Party and represent the status quo.
His Transition Committee looks like a reunion of the Clinton Administration. No new ideas of how to reform the system there. The Chairman, John Podesta, was Clinton's Chief of Staff. He presided over the outrageous last minute pardons and his style is strictly inside-the-beltway and make-no-waves.
Then there's Carol Browner, Clinton's competent former EPA Administrator who became the consummate Washington insider. She's Madeline Albright's partner and recently married mega-lobbyist and former Congressman Tom Downey. During the uproar over Dubai taking over U.S. ports, Browner brought Downey to meet with Senator Chuck Schumer to plead Dubai's case. Downey was paid half a million dollars to push Dubai's position. He's also a lobbyist for Fannie Mae, paid half a million to try to cover their rears on the subprime mortgage mess. Is his change?
Federico Pena was Clinton's Secretary of Transportation and of Energy. The President felt he was unduly soft on Air Florida after their crash and lost confidence in him. Now he's back as a Transition Committee member.
Bill Daley, Clinton's former Secretary of Commerce and the brother of the Mayor of Chicago, is the epitome of the old Democratic establishment. Clinton appointed him to the Fannie Mae Board and his son worked as a lobbyist for the agency. Aren't these the kind of folks that Obama ran against?
Larry Summers, President of Harvard and former Clinton Secretary of the Treasury is not exactly an outsider either. He's also alienated more than a few with his bizarre suggestion that women may be genetically inferior to men in math and science.
Susan Rice, Assistant Secretary of State under Clinton advised John Kerry and Mike Dukakis. Does that tell you enough?
Obama has named one of his big bundlers - Michael Froman, an executive at Citigroup. Is this supposed to symbolize change?
Obama's choice of a spokesperson for the transition is also surprising; hers' is definitely not the face of reason and new politics. Stephanie Cutter is the brash and combative former Clinton, Kerry, and Ted Kennedy mouthpiece. The liberal DailyKos.com once described Cutter as "a moron to the nth degree" when she tried unsuccessfully to force the New York Times' Adam Nagourney to treat her unsolicited email criticizing Howard Dean as "background" without mentioning her name.
Speaking of brash, Rahm Emmanuel, the new White House Chief of Staff, makes Cutter look timid. Rahm is also a former Clinton White House staffer - and a very obnoxious one. He spent his White House years leaking to the Washington Post whenever he didn't like what the President was doing. Even Bill Clinton stopped trusting him. Any hopes of Obama keeping his commitment to reach across the aisle would go right out the window with Rahm's appointment. Instead of extending a hand to the opposition, it would be like raising just one finger. And Rahm's strident demeanor laced with the 'f' word in every sentence will do little to elevate the bipartisan dialogue in Washington.
Christopher Edley, another member of the transition team, is Dean of the Berkeley Law School. He's a former member of the U.S. Civil Rights Commission under Clinton and his wife, Maria Echaveste was Clinton's Deputy Chief of Staff.
Transition committee staffer Christine Varney was a Federal Trade Commissioner under Clinton and worked in the White House.
Throughout the early debates, Obama criticized Hillary as part of the inside-the beltway establishment that needed to go. But now he's reaching out to these exact same folks. Some change.
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| Yes Joe...the investors are concerned. There is no confidence which was going on prior to the election and continues ans business tries to figure out if they wil be over regulated. We are seeing a time like no other. Financial melt, the war on terror, a President elect who no one seems to know who he really is or how left wing he will be. Uncertainty prevails. Now what are we to do? I certainly have no answer but I have been around long enough to suffer throughout the Jimmy CArter years with a 21% prims rate, no money available to borrow because the government was sucking it all up, Iran hostages and on and on. What I am confident of: we as citizens will express ourselves to our representative and Senators. If they cannot get the job dome by opposing what we think will be an onslaught of regulatory measures, then we tell them: next election you are out. That in my opinion is all we can do, along with hope
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 08:06 pm |
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I HOPE the stock market improves. Notice no one is talking about the Largest Post Election Plunge ever in the stock market that happened yesterday.
Its actually quite unusual for the stock market to react negatively the day after an election - Usually just the opposite is true and the market enjoys an election day rally regardless of who wins because the election of a new president resolves uncertainty. The financial markets dislike uncertainty.
The market has gone up on days before with worse economic data, so this is seems to be a clear message that investors are concerned about the next 4 years.
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 05:34 pm |
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Joe
wherever the quote comes from it is a statement of appreciation for the land we live in. No single President or administration will change that. I did not support obama and in fact worked as hard as I could to convince others to not vote for him. I. like many have been concerned about the issues surrounding him and the prospect of a single party governemnt. Having said that, it is what is is. He has been elected and we cannot change that. To attempt to undermine this is not in our best interests. Better to work through our Congressmen and Senators, expressing our well thought out reason for concern and solicit their respaonse or actions.
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therenow wrote: There is much to be thankful for as a radio talk show host says..."in this the greatest Nation in Gods Creation"
That sounds like something from a conservative talk radio show. Better get your fill of it now since next year after the Obamacrats take office they will likely try to implement "The Fairness Doctrine". This is where they figure you are so stupid that you don't know how to turn the radio dial to a different channel.
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therenow wrote: Joe_the_Plumber wrote: 1.20.13
Joe
What is the meaning of your post?
It is inauguration day for our next new President. The one that will come after the choosen one or messiah or whatever Obamacrats are calling him these days.
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Bambi....I agree that at this time we need to look to the positive. I did not vote for Obama or support his intended policies. In fact I have been very suspect of him and now struggle to put that aside as it has no meaningful purpose. But, he is the elected. I listened to his acceptance speech and take it for what is was intended. He has a huge job ahead. The economy for a major concern, and others follow like a freight train. As a nation, we have seen and been through a lot and we have always risen to the task. It is inherent in us and our national purpose..Freedom.
The next several month and possibly years will be testing. I am at a point in life where there may not be more than a few elections left for me but, if we can unite as citizens, agree to disagree when the occasion demands then accept the choice of the majority and move forward together we do and will have hope. There is much to be thankful for as a radio talk show host says..."in this the greatest Nation in Gods Creation"
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Posted: Wed Nov 5th, 2008 10:17 pm |
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Here is the definition of a thread used in a blog or forum.
"a line of reasoning or train of thought that connects the parts in a sequence."
The thread here is HOPE. All that goes into the thread connects together. If you bring in other topics or want to discuss dark days or Obama's date of leaving the Presidency, then start your own thread. We have all probably been guilty of this at one time or another, but when it's brought to our attention, we tend to stop. I have been guilty of hijacking threads also, but when brought to my attention, I stop. I have made unkind remarks on occasion, but I do reflect and apologize.
I stated the thread is entitled Hope...not despair. That was the context of my post and all I requested is you don't hijack the thread or attach your own meanings to my quotes. You then took it out of context. And this quote of mine about believing in new beginnings, "I encourage one to "believe" in a new beginning. You didn't ask what I mean, but instead apply your own meaning....Obama, when in fact I was talking about new beginnings in ourselves and our lives. If you want to talk about despair, then start a thread about that. If you want to put Obama down, then start a thread. But don't hijack mine/Anne's about HOPE in the name of free expression.
I think your Avatar sums up your ideology.
Now; I have finished this thread as there is no inspiration to continue. Enjoy.
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Joe_the_Plumber wrote: 1.20.13
Joe
What is the meaning of your post?
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I am in mourning for the rest of this week......maybe longer!
It's a dark day for America!.........(no pun intended)
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Bambi wrote: DavidB wrote: Bambi wrote: ...Brought about by your anger and argument that you will make less money with Obama at the Helm and his tax plan.
You are the one who said this Bambi, not me. It will effect me personally. It will affect ALL of us personally. That's was the whole point - albeit a moot one now. My concern is and always has been the fate of the economy as a whole. Don't respond to my posts in this thread please... Your chosen one and the Dems haven't attacked the first ammendment... yet. But it won't be that long before they do. I'll post where I please on a public forum until dissention is the next right that is targeted from our 'fundamentally flawed' constitution. I encourage to "believe" in a new beginning and you say it's spooky?. Absolutely. Blind belief in a proven liar. I would say that is very spooky.
Once again you have twisted and censored my words to serve your own purpose. I stated not to respond negatively in this thread entitled HOPE..... but you have decided you will post where you please, and what you please, so continue making up your own rules for posting on Newszap and post to yourself. Continue your character assassinations on me and the President. Here are some of Newszaps rules they posted, some of which you have already violated, including the character assassinations.
........name-calling, bullying and character assassination undermine the intelligent discussion of public issues. you will not post or upload any material, or link to any material, which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented (remember the VPILTF)?
Just make up your own rules as you go along. Post in threads your own content that has nothing to do with the thread's intent.. Rule maker/Rule breaker. Do your own thing.
WHAT? Where did I call you names or assisinate your character? What words did I 'once again' twist? Disagreeing with your views does not mean i am 'defaming' or 'assisnating your character'. Your own words here are insight to your character, not mine. Server my purpose? What purpose other than trying to enlighten a few?
I'm sorry, but I see nowhere in the rules that a person can "state not to post" other's opinions. Don't worry, Bambi, those days are getting closer. If you really think I am violating rules here, email the webmaster. I have a right to express my view here as much as anyone, including you. Where is the liberalism when it comes to expression?
Sorry for voicing, I'll leave you to have your blind belief and hopefest here on your very own private thread. I guess you don't share your candidate's support the Fairness Doctrine. Good for you.
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Posted: Wed Nov 5th, 2008 07:09 pm |
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DavidB wrote: Bambi wrote: ...Brought about by your anger and argument that you will make less money with Obama at the Helm and his tax plan.
You are the one who said this Bambi, not me. It will effect me personally. It will affect ALL of us personally. That's was the whole point - albeit a moot one now. My concern is and always has been the fate of the economy as a whole. Don't respond to my posts in this thread please... Your chosen one and the Dems haven't attacked the first ammendment... yet. But it won't be that long before they do. I'll post where I please on a public forum until dissention is the next right that is targeted from our 'fundamentally flawed' constitution. I encourage to "believe" in a new beginning and you say it's spooky?. Absolutely. Blind belief in a proven liar. I would say that is very spooky.
Once again you have twisted and censored my words to serve your own purpose. I stated not to respond negatively in this thread entitled HOPE..... but you have decided you will post where you please, and what you please, so continue making up your own rules for posting on Newszap and post to yourself. Continue your character assassinations on me and the President. Here are some of Newszaps rules they posted, some of which you have already violated, including the character assassinations.
........name-calling, bullying and character assassination undermine the intelligent discussion of public issues. you will not post or upload any material, or link to any material, which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented (remember the VPILTF)?
Just make up your own rules as you go along. Post in threads your own content that has nothing to do with the thread's intent.. Rule maker/Rule breaker. Do your own thing.
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Bambi wrote: ...Brought about by your anger and argument that you will make less money with Obama at the Helm and his tax plan.
You are the one who said this Bambi, not me. It will effect me personally. It will affect ALL of us personally. That's was the whole point - albeit a moot one now. My concern is and always has been the fate of the economy as a whole. Don't respond to my posts in this thread please... Your chosen one and the Dems haven't attacked the first ammendment... yet. But it won't be that long before they do. I'll post where I please on a public forum until dissention is the next right that is targeted from our 'fundamentally flawed' constitution. I encourage to "believe" in a new beginning and you say it's spooky?. Absolutely. Blind belief in a proven liar. I would say that is very spooky.
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DavidB wrote: Bambi wrote: Remember what Kennedy said about not looking to our Country to do for us, but what we can do for our Country.
His campaign was successful because he conned people into believing he was going to fill their gas tanks and pay their mortgages for them. This was ALL about "What my country can do for me". The people got sold a a bill of goods. I hope they are all ready to pay the price for it. Those who chose not to dig deep into his tax policy, and instead rely on his rediculous tax calculator he had on his web site are going to get a crash course very soon. As a neighbor, I can only ask you to understand that this time of crises is not the signal of the end of the world. What comes now is not the end, but the beginning. Believe and you will awaken to a bright new day....and a bright new way. Don't fear it...become a part of it. Just Believe. No offense, Bambi, but that is just spooky.
God help us.
it's just too bad that all you have to offer is slander and hopelessness....especially when I try to post hope. Spooky? I guess it might come across that way to someone who carries negative thoughts and comments about our condition and no suggestions of how working with our new President can bring about success. Instilling a sense of fear into our minds and hearts instead of hope, stating you hope the people are ready to pay the price for voting for Obama. Telling your neighbors we got sold a bill of goods and then states "God help us." Brought about by your anger and argument that you will make less money with Obama at the Helm and his tax plan.
The Tax Policy Center dug deep into his tax policy and printed it for public view. It wasn't just a calculator being used.
Don't repsond to my posts in this thread please, with your paranoia and your putdowns, as mine are meant to instill hope and working together. This thread is entitled Hope.....not dispair. Start your own thread to impart your negative thoughts of hopelessness with our President elect. I encourage to "believe" in a new beginning and you say it's spooky?.
God help us from those who choose to continue to plant the seed of failure and hopelessness. What goes around, comes around.
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Bambi wrote: Remember what Kennedy said about not looking to our Country to do for us, but what we can do for our Country.
His campaign was successful because he conned people into believing he was going to fill their gas tanks and pay their mortgages for them. This was ALL about "What my country can do for me". The people got sold a a bill of goods. I hope they are all ready to pay the price for it. Those who chose not to dig deep into his tax policy, and instead rely on his rediculous tax calculator he had on his web site are going to get a crash course very soon. As a neighbor, I can only ask you to understand that this time of crises is not the signal of the end of the world. What comes now is not the end, but the beginning. Believe and you will awaken to a bright new day....and a bright new way. Don't fear it...become a part of it. Just Believe. No offense, Bambi, but that is just spooky.
God help us.
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bigwavedave wrote: Our new country motto:
GOVERNMENT: IF YOU THINK THE PROBLEMS WE CREATE ARE BAD, JUST WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE OUR SOLUTIONS.
Sorry Bambi, I just can't help but think that America has made one of the worst collective decisions ever. We elected a man who started his campaign with a lie by agreeing to public financing and didn't keep his word. Not an auspicious start if you ask me. Why should we trust him with anything else? As I stated in a different forum, I just don't trust him. Start with a lie, it snowballs. He will have to do far better than I expect to earn my trust, and quite frankly, my hopes are not high. I listened to the message, not the messenger and did not like what I heard.
I'm sorry you feel that way. Those kinds of feelings will only keep you "down". Try to rise above those negative thougths. You have to realize that most of our Presidents have lied. Kennedy we thought was such a decent man as the Press back then, kept us unaware of his dastardly deeds. But now that his exploits have surfaced thru a more open press, we discover he was involved in a great deal of deceit, yet realized great accomplishments for us, the people. Nixon with his Watergate daliances, and Reagan with the Contras. We chose to impeach Clinton for his extra marital affairs and lies, yet Kennedy and Johnson and others got away with them all the time via coverups. Lies to their wifes. Lies to their Country. Yet deemed good and worthy Presidents by History. Just about all of Bush's promises have turned out to be untruthful pledeges to us....including the upsizing of our government to historic heights and the nationalizing of Wall Street and some Banks.
Don't worry my friend. He will earn your trust in time. ... with your help.
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Our new country motto:
GOVERNMENT: IF YOU THINK THE PROBLEMS WE CREATE ARE BAD, JUST WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE OUR SOLUTIONS.
Sorry Bambi, I just can't help but think that America has made one of the worst collective decisions ever. We elected a man who started his campaign with a lie by agreeing to public financing and didn't keep his word. Not an auspicious start if you ask me. Why should we trust him with anything else? As I stated in a different forum, I just don't trust him. Start with a lie, it snowballs. He will have to do far better than I expect to earn my trust, and quite frankly, my hopes are not high. I listened to the message, not the messenger and did not like what I heard.
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| it would seem that we have swung back from when Reagan and the USA decided collectively that Government wasn't the Solution to the problem but was the problem itself.
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There is no need to fear those things. The Bible states" that which ye fear, will come upon you." Your fears are unfounded in my opinion and brought to you by sensationalism via the media. Never in this man's career has he indicated he will abolish those freedoms. He has a family also. Do you think he wants to create that type of restrictive enviornment for his children? Do you think he teaches his children to ignore the qualities of freedoms we were given via the Constitution and Bill of Rights? Was he not taught humanity by his grandmother? Does he want his family to live in the White House, that was built by Slave labor, and NOT embrace the sacrifice and hard work his ancestors had to endure?
People will now have to look within for the answers they seek, instead of outwards to money, possessions and a President's promises. Our individual worth comes from inside, from what we have inside, through our development, our evolution, and what we can give to society. Remember what Kennedy said about not looking to our Country to do for us, but what we can do for our Country.
With all the problems we have, it's hard to believe our future is bright. Inflation and recession, environmental deterioration, diminishing resources, unrest and oppression in developing countries like Iraq and Iran, and apathy, loneliness and lack of direction we've all been feeling. All combine to severely cloud the horizon, causing you and others to fear the worse.
As a neighbor, I can only ask you to understand that this time of crises is not the signal of the end of the world. What comes now is not the end, but the beginning. Believe and you will awaken to a bright new day....and a bright new way. Don't fear it...become a part of it. Just Believe.
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"I promise you -- we as a people will get there." Barack Obama.
Get Where???
He said a lot last night. I was hopeful to hear something too. All I hear was a lot of beutiful words. I didn't hear anything of where we are going to get or how we will get there.
He also said "Things will never be the same."
I like the liberties and freedoms we enjoy in america. I like being able to take my children to the park without fear. I like being able to choose the school my children go to. I like being able to start a company and put my heart and soul into it. I like being able to be compensated for my efforts and talents and hard work. I like being able to listen to whatever radio station I want. I like choosing how I spend my money, or what charity I want to donate too. If that is going to change, I am not hopeful.
I'm afraid of my children learning that they can screw up royally and still be bailed out of their mess. I'm afraid of my kids not understanding what sacrifice, hard work, and freedom of speech is or what success it can bring. I'm worried that under the disquise of "fairness we will be fead what our founding fathers fought so long ago.
I fear that government is starting to mess with my right to life, liberty and the pursuit of my happiness.
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"The road ahead will be long, our climb will be steep, we may not get there in one year or even one term, but America -- I have never been more hopeful than I am tonight that we will get there," Obama said in his hometown of Chicago.
"I promise you -- we as a people will get there." Barack Obama.
Hope springs eternal......
Our 44th President (elect). Barack Obama. I am so blessed to have lived during this historic moment and during the Civil Rights movement.....and now, the fruits of our labor has emerged as a result. I can still hear the echoes of John F. Kennedys call to action....and now, I get to see the vision of Martin Luther King's Dream come to pass. We're at the dawning of the Age of Aquarius, which began back in the sixties, and we're back on track. What a great feeling to experiece this....again. "a renaissance and a golden age is right around the corner." What a great beginning with such a great Leader. God Bless America.
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| HOPE wins....McCain/Palin lies and negativity loses!
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