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Superstition Mountain Man
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 08:26 pm |
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CONCERNING IRAQ:
While our Commander-In-Chief, Mr. Bush, displayed his outstanding military prowess gained from his extensive experience during a few 'kick back' weeks in the guard, BIN LADEN was in another country laughing his ass off at America's Idiot President.
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 07:56 pm |
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| David....ok here's a little history lesson. The US provided weapons to Iraq in the early 1980's. Those weapons were used by the Iraqi government on the kurds in the northern portion of Iraq. There were several inspections done by weapons inspectors, every single of them said there were no viable weapons of mass destruction. There was nothing moved anywhere. We have had satellite survailance on Iraq since the first gulf war. Bush knew there was a disagreement in the intelligence he received but ignored anything that didn't fit that mold of Saddam had WMD's and was ready to use them. The Downing Street Memo confirms this. Class dismissed.
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 07:47 pm |
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TheBigShow wrote: DavidB wrote: TheBigShow wrote: Joe, ask the civilians we've bombed in Iraq if they'd prefer we have a president who has an extra marital affair or a president who doesn't even know what country to attack so just go after all of 'em. It blows my mind you defend this guy. Seriously, how bad does a president have to be before you say "wow this guy really sucked"?
Perhaps you should ask the civilians whose entire families were executed under Sadaam Hussein. Or maybe the civilians that had chemical weapons used against them by their own government. You might get a different take on it.
Guess who supplied them their chemical weapons, three letters starting with U..
HA!!!! So now you admit there WERE WMD's in Iraq. Of course there were, for the reason you just gave. Just because they moved them to Syria in the middle of the night means Bush was lying? You can't have it both ways man.
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 06:02 pm |
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DavidB wrote: TheBigShow wrote: Joe, ask the civilians we've bombed in Iraq if they'd prefer we have a president who has an extra marital affair or a president who doesn't even know what country to attack so just go after all of 'em. It blows my mind you defend this guy. Seriously, how bad does a president have to be before you say "wow this guy really sucked"?
Perhaps you should ask the civilians whose entire families were executed under Sadaam Hussein. Or maybe the civilians that had chemical weapons used against them by their own government. You might get a different take on it.
Guess who supplied them their chemical weapons, three letters starting with U..
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Superstition Mountain Man
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 05:17 pm |
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TheBigShow wrote: Seriously, how bad does a president have to be before you say "wow this guy really sucked"?
Great question.
It's amazing that nobody on the other side of the aisle, to this day, will admit that 2006 was a referendum on Bush-Rumsfeld and the mistakes made in Iraq.
Likewise, to this day, none of these same individuals will admit that last Tuesday was an overwhelming rejection of the past eight years with McCain representing more of the same.
Even most Democrats are honest enough to point out that LBJ's mishandling of the Vietnam War cost them the 1968 election, and four years of Jimmy Carter's presidency enabled Reagan to win in 1980.
It's a rigid refusal to objectively analyze problem areas within their party and learn from mistakes, and a belief that everybody else must be wrong, in spite of 2006 and last Tuesday, that will continue to destroy the Republican party.
Democrats rebounded and re-tooled in 1992 with Clinton, but it appears Republicans are on a suicide mission.
What's in the future for Republicans? More of the 'old guard' who will be in the late 60s age bracket by the 2012 election? They have no fresh blood or fresh ideas to present to voters.
DENIAL, DENIAL, DENIAL
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 04:56 pm |
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TheBigShow wrote: Joe, ask the civilians we've bombed in Iraq if they'd prefer we have a president who has an extra marital affair or a president who doesn't even know what country to attack so just go after all of 'em. It blows my mind you defend this guy. Seriously, how bad does a president have to be before you say "wow this guy really sucked"?
Perhaps you should ask the civilians whose entire families were executed under Sadaam Hussein. Or maybe the civilians that had chemical weapons used against them by their own government. You might get a different take on it.
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 04:53 pm |
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| Anne Coulter's famous edict was to invade their Countries (Islamic); kill their Leaders; then convert them all to Christianity. Wham, Bam, Thank you Mam. That's what our enemies are thinking. Except for the Christian conversion, that's exactly what Bush did....perhaps they are still awaiting the Christian Conversion from the Crusades Holy War that Bush promised. They have their Jihad and we our Crusades. Be like us or be nothing.
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 04:29 pm |
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| Joe, ask the civilians we've bombed in Iraq if they'd prefer we have a president who has an extra marital affair or a president who doesn't even know what country to attack so just go after all of 'em. It blows my mind you defend this guy. Seriously, how bad does a president have to be before you say "wow this guy really sucked"?
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 04:01 pm |
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| see, i can do without her sarcasm. can't we all just get along?!?!?
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 03:56 pm |
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Great quote from the Ann Coulter article you posted:
"For now, we have a new president-elect. In the spirit of reaching across the aisle, we owe it to the Democrats to show their president the exact same kind of respect and loyalty that they have shown our recent Republican president."
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 01:54 pm |
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Its funny to watch these Democrats talking about spying and lying. I was just hanging out one day minding my own business when Obama came up to me and ask me what I thought. I had the audacity to ask him a tough question and then my life became an open book without my permission at the hands of the Democrats. They spied on me and they lied.
And that stuff about "being a great example to the world" is just crazy. Do they mean like Mr. pants around his ankles Clinton wasn't a disgrace? And Kennedy too for that matter, only because the media actually had our Country's best interests at heart back then did his exploits not become known far and wide.
Katrina, give me a break. Remember that the biggest let down there was a local government that had no plan and no clue. It is called self sufficiency, they should try it sometime. This past summer, half the midwest got flooded out. The difference was self sufficiency, those people had it. The welfare crowd in Nawlins have been suckling on the Government boob for so long that they dont. Mayor Ray chocolate nawlins Nagin. Remember Americas favorite racist?
"We ask black people ... It's time for us to come together. It's time for us to rebuild New Orleans – the one that should be a chocolate New Orleans," the mayor said. "And I don't care what people are saying in Uptown or wherever they are. This city will be chocolate at the end of the day."
He also noted: "This city will be a majority African-American city. It's the way God wants it to be. You can't have New Orleans no other way. It wouldn't be New Orleans."
The Bigshow and the Superstition Mountain Man live way different lives and in a way different world than me. It is like we live on different planets we see things so differently.
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Superstition Mountain Man
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 10:54 am |
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| There is no defense for Bush. The treatment of most Americans by Bush-Cheney over the past 8 years is the real disgrace. Instigating a war over outright lies concerning weapons of mass destruction should have been an impeachable offense. Bush has been nothing more than a 'puppet' for corporate America.
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 07:56 am |
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I didn't start this post, Jeff did by throwing in this whining article about how no one loves Bush. Considering all the things this guy has bungled in office, yes I would name a sewage plant after him. He ordered spying on you and I, then lied about it to the American people. Once he was caught, they did everything they could to ensure the truth would never get out (telecom immunity). Got a leak problem with a CIA agent's identity, nope not with this White House. Just pardon a convicted felon right before he's set to see prison time. That really shows a great example to the American public. He ordered the torture of people and when called out on it, he just changed the name and said it wasn't torture. I'm sorry but you can have a pizza in front of you and call it a tire but that doesn't change the fact that it's a pizza. The guy is a national embarassment and hurts our standing in the world. Want to have true safety in this country, you work with our allies and you work on building relations with our enemies. Kennedy pulled it off and avoided a nuclear missle being parked off of the shores of Cuba. This president instead says "Bring em on", and the enemy did. Over 4000 soldiers have come home from this mess in Iraq and you know how many of their funerals Bush has visited? None. Not a single one. I don't expect him to show up to every funeral but none?
I respect the office of the presidency, unfortunately, our president doesn't respect the office of the presidency. He used it as his own right wing agenda machine for 8 very long years. So pardon me if I'm a bit frustrated when someone cries foul over a president who's major accomplishment was to divide the country even further down political lines.
As far as what the democrats will do, rest assured I will call them to task when the f-up like they did with the FISA vote. If they don't have a veto proof majority, you and I both know that the republicans will be fillibustering in record numbers to stall anything from going through. That's what they did in 2007, then turned around and called the democrats the do nothing congress. Kinda hard to do anything when the other side is stopping every vote you're trying to have.
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 07:39 am |
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if he bungled Katrina so much and suffered the consequences of his "racist" reaction to that crisis as conspiracists claim, then don't you think that he'd make d**n sure that it didn't happen again? perhaps this years storms weren't as bad as katrina, but from what i heard, the government's reaction was just as lame as it was with katrina. are you saying that he wants to fail?
you don't find it offensive to name a sewage plant after a sitting president? Show, where is the line of decency? Your attitude is free for all, anything goes, no holds barred. in sports there are rules and there are penalties. but in politics there are no rules. how many sewage plants are named after gerald ford or jimmy carter? how many sewage plants are named after any president?
sure the republicans will attack obama, but we're the minority now- remember? the hard core republicans will always do that and the hardcore democrats will always do the same if the roles were reversed. but who cares what they say now? obama has a free pass and a near filibusterproof congress so that he can actually get stuff done right? if he taxes the big corporations (but not to the point where they want to move operations elsewhere or outsource more) and spreads the wealth around (but not in a socialist way of course) gets universal medicine implemented (but keeping quality the same and speedy access maintained) and gets more people working (and of course we're talking about a living wage level at least) and gets the housing market fixed (so that we have the foreclosure problem fixed and no more mortgage fraud, but of course we still need to give loans to uncreditworthy minorities- that's what ACORN fights for right?) and the environmental situation fixed (you know, because the icecaps are melting) and dependence on foreign oil fixed (because ethanol won't cause food prices to rise way faster than inflation or cause the gulf of mexico to have all life killed due to fertilizer and pesticide runoff, and we'll get more nuclear plants built when we finally find a safe way to dispose of the waste- because you know, we just chuck it into the nevada desert right now) oh yes a peaceful and non-vacuum causing exit from iraq (because those uniform wearing terrorists only stay in stable countries and wouldn't even think of going to iraq), and the capture of bin laden (who's 6 foot 4 with a dialasys machine hooked up to him and bush was supposed to capture and reveal on November 3rd but for some reason forgot to do this, thus killing mccain's chance of winning) and the prevention of any terrorist acts upon americans (since we've only gone 2600 days without any terrorist attacks on american soil- but then again, it's actually longer than that beause the twin towers incident was completely stages- like the moon landing, and here's how i know- any normal person would have thrown down a book about a goat and gone screaming and pulling his hair out in anguish when he heard of such an attack- so he was obviously the mastermind behind it) and whatever else he stands for, then aren't we going to be a better country? I'm serious. He's got a mandate so why do democrats insist on continuing with the republican bashing and name calling and such? can't you guys just say "scoreboard" and be done with it? it's not like we can magically change the results. Democrats won. It's like Name that Tune. You guys are up, let's see what you got.
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 02:42 am |
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therenow wrote: TheBigShow wrote: Well there will always be someone defending this idiot....Sorry Jeff but after his 8 years of shredding our Constitution, ruining our relationships with countries all over the world, bungling the response to Katrina, bungling the information he had on Aug 6, 2001, his attitude of party over country...etc., naming a sewer plant after him is really only the beginning.
The Republicans I am sure will not attack Obama, even in his stated desire to raise taxes, raise Captitol gains, and in the biggest slip of the tongue yet "spread the wealth". You're joking right? From day one they'll be attacking him just like they did Clinton. If you believe that, you didn't pay much attention from 1992 to 2000.
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 12:57 am |
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TheBigShow wrote: Well there will always be someone defending this idiot....Sorry Jeff but after his 8 years of shredding our Constitution, ruining our relationships with countries all over the world, bungling the response to Katrina, bungling the information he had on Aug 6, 2001, his attitude of party over country...etc., naming a sewer plant after him is really only the beginning.
big show..really now..why don't you just quietly let the matter go..we disgraced the office of the President ..the Democrats Pelosi, Reid, etc took it to a level that was disgraceful. as never before...True Bush spent..that was his downfall...homeland security is his legacy. Now Obama is asking for the support of all americans. The Republicans I am sure will not attack Obama, even in his stated desire to raise taxes, raise Captitol gains, and in the biggest slip of the tongue yet "spread the wealth". Then I ask; how can a tax cut be realized by obviating the Bush tax cuts? would that not be an increase? or should we say..a tax credit to non tax payers? Obama is the President and the office deserves the respect of the nation. No one has been more vilified that Bush. And you call hin an idiot? I think the reference comes from someone who would know what an idiot is.
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Posted: Wed Nov 5th, 2008 10:53 pm |
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Well there will always be someone defending this idiot....Sorry Jeff but after his 8 years of shredding our Constitution, ruining our relationships with countries all over the world, bungling the response to Katrina, bungling the information he had on Aug 6, 2001, his attitude of party over country...etc., naming a sewer plant after him is really only the beginning. He should have been impeached. The dems of course were too scared to stand up for the right thing and let this joker go untouched. His contempt of media only leads to their contempt for him, so no surprise the media doesn't paint him in a flattering light. His presidency was all about image and backdrop. When troops came home showing that war has a sacrafice, he just banned photographs of the caskets. When it was time for mission accomplished, he had the aircraft carrier he landed on float far out to sea so the backdrop of San Diego wasn't there. If the Newscorp owned WSJ wants to praise this a-hole, by all means they can and should. For the rest of us, we're not about to let revisionists cloud what really happened.
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from Wall Street Journal
The Treatment of Bush Has Been a Disgrace
What must our enemies be thinking?
By JEFFREY SCOTT SHAPIRO
Earlier this year, 12,000 people in San Francisco signed a petition in support of a proposition on a local ballot to rename an Oceanside sewage plant after George W. Bush. The proposition is only one example of the classless disrespect many Americans have shown the president.
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According to recent Gallup polls, the president's average approval rating is below 30% -- down from his 90% approval in the wake of 9/11. Mr. Bush has endured relentless attacks from the left while facing abandonment from the right.
This is the price Mr. Bush is paying for trying to work with both Democrats and Republicans. During his 2004 victory speech, the president reached out to voters who supported his opponent, John Kerry, and said, "Today, I want to speak to every person who voted for my opponent. To make this nation stronger and better, I will need your support, and I will work to earn it. I will do all I can do to deserve your trust."
Those bipartisan efforts have been met with crushing resistance from both political parties.
The president's original Supreme Court choice of Harriet Miers alarmed Republicans, while his final nomination of Samuel Alito angered Democrats. His solutions to reform the immigration system alienated traditional conservatives, while his refusal to retreat in Iraq has enraged liberals who have unrealistic expectations about the challenges we face there.
It seems that no matter what Mr. Bush does, he is blamed for everything. He remains despised by the left while continuously disappointing the right.
Yet it should seem obvious that many of our country's current problems either existed long before Mr. Bush ever came to office, or are beyond his control. Perhaps if Americans stopped being so divisive, and congressional leaders came together to work with the president on some of these problems, he would actually have had a fighting chance of solving them.
Like the president said in his 2004 victory speech, "We have one country, one Constitution and one future that binds us. And when we come together and work together, there is no limit to the greatness of America."
To be sure, Mr. Bush is not completely alone. His low approval ratings put him in the good company of former Democratic President Harry S. Truman, whose own approval rating sank to 22% shortly before he left office. Despite Mr. Truman's low numbers, a 2005 Wall Street Journal poll found that he was ranked the seventh most popular president in history.
Just as Americans have gained perspective on how challenging Truman's presidency was in the wake of World War II, our country will recognize the hardship President Bush faced these past eight years -- and how extraordinary it was that he accomplished what he did in the wake of the September 11 attacks.
The treatment President Bush has received from this country is nothing less than a disgrace. The attacks launched against him have been cruel and slanderous, proving to the world what little character and resolve we have. The president is not to blame for all these problems. He never lost faith in America or her people, and has tried his hardest to continue leading our nation during a very difficult time.
Our failure to stand by the one person who continued to stand by us has not gone unnoticed by our enemies. It has shown to the world how disloyal we can be when our president needed loyalty -- a shameful display of arrogance and weakness that will haunt this nation long after Mr. Bush has left the White House.
Mr. Shapiro is an investigative reporter and lawyer who previously interned with John F. Kerry's legal team during the presidential election in 2004.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122584386627599251.html#printMode
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