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jrenae
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Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2009 02:19 am |
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It isn’t “operationally feasible” to keep Queen Creek’s ZIP code constant while others are changing, although the post office does appreciate Queen Creek’s concern about its identity
That's total BS. They could care less. And "isn't operationally feasible", my butt!
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GSBill
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But in a letter dated June 12, post office District Manager Lawrence James told the town its request is being rejected.
F these people!!!! Lets take our land back. These a holes need a wake up call. They cant even deliver the mail correctly. What a BIG joke.
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gotta keep fighting folks... we got one setback just yesterday.
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/140615
Town to see controversial ZIP code change
Amanda Keim, Tribune
June 17, 2009 - 11:40AM
Queen Creek’s 85242 ZIP code will change by one digit in early July despite the town’s efforts to stop a move officials fear will add to the perception the town is in Pinal County instead of Maricopa County.
Queen Creek fights ZIP code change
Queen Creek battling ZIP code changes
Queen Creek’s is one of 30 ZIP codes slated to change July 1. United States Postal Service officials say the change is a necessary to assure it can serve the growing area while keeping similar ZIP codes grouped together. Select ZIP codes starting with 852 will change to 851. As an example, 85242 will become 85142.
Queen Creek officials had appealed that change, concerned about existing confusion over its town limits. Queen Creek’s ZIP code is the only one primarily in Maricopa County set to change.
Because other ZIP codes are in Pinal County, town officials fear lumping them in with the change could add to confusion. They worry residents in the unincorporated Pinal areas with Queen Creek addreses will believe they're in town limits.
But in a letter dated June 12, post office District Manager Lawrence James told the town its request is being rejected.
It isn’t “operationally feasible” to keep Queen Creek’s ZIP code constant while others are changing, although the post office does appreciate Queen Creek’s concern about its identity, James wrote.
The post office realizes ZIP codes are being used for non-postal purposes, but discourages that practice, James wrote.
However, James did suggest using different names to identify the difference between the town of Queen Creek versus unincorporated Pinal County areas that have Queen Creek addresses.
For instance, Queen Creek could become “Town of Queen Creek” on its postal address, he wrote. Or the outlying areas could change their name, although that would require a name change request from those other areas.
Pinal County Supervisor Bryan Martyn has said he submitted such a request to change the name of the outlying areas to Bella Vista to correspond with the ZIP code change. However, there is currently controversy over the name Bella Vista, so whether it sticks is in question.
Town officials plan to appeal the post office’s decision, spokeswoman Marnie Schubert said in an e-mail.
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jrenae
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I'll be back in town by Friday and will certainly sign it then.
Having the different zip codes divided by county lines shouldn't be too unreasonable of a request.
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| Good luck. I hope you are successful. However, if you think it's tough fighting "city hall" wait until you see the frustration dealing with the USPS.
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SandiDale
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Thank you!!! You'd think with all this action, we'll get it overturned. I sure hope so because I don't want my zip to change.
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Posted: Tue Jun 16th, 2009 04:54 pm |
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basically, she'll be collecting signatures at
tomorrow nights Town Council meeting and
this Friday at Rhino Caffe at the Cruise In Car Show.
this Saturday at the Library during the Farmer's Market
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here is a note i received from Cherie Richardson, please PM me for her email address if you wish to contact her.
In yesterday's newspapers (June 10,2009) , there were several articles:
- The Queen Creek Tribune had a front page article showing people signing the petition last Saturday at the Queen Creek Town Hall during the Ice Cream Social. It also had a map that showed a large chunk on the far left side as being in Maricopa County, when in fact, it is the Town of Maricopa which is in Pinal County (map was from the post office).
- The Queen Creek Independent, Page 8, had a question answered by the Town Manager, John Kross, that reflects the town's position on this matter.
- The Arizona Republic, Gilbert Section, Page 31 Opinions, had an article titled "USPS Action Is Deceitful" which included the post office contact's name, address and phone number (in case you want to blast him with some snail mail).
I have sent letters to Supervisor Fulton Brock, Congressman Jeff Flake and Senators Jon Kyl & John McCain regarding this matter.
Attached is the current schedule of locations (both approved and pending approval) of where I'll be set up with my petition table. Please communicate this information to anyone you know that is interested in signing the petition and forward this email to all you know. Thanks again for your support,
Cherie Richardson
Location
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Time
Status
Town Council Meeting
Queen Creek Town Hall
Wednesday night,
June 3, 2009
7P
Completed
Ice Cream Social
Queen Creek Town Hall
Saturday morning,
June 6, 2009
10A-1P
Completed
Queen Creek Marketplace
(Paradise Bakery & Chipotle)
Sun & Mon nights,
June 7-8, 2009
4P-6P
Completed
Uncle Bear’s Grill & Bar
21151 E. Rittenhouse
(NWC Rittenhouse & Ocotillo)
Friday night,
June 12, 2009
6P-9P
Pending approval
to set up
Safeway
18495 E Queen Creek Rd
(SEC Power & Queen Creek)
Saturday morning,
June 13, 2009
10A-1P
Pending approval
to set up
Uncle Bear’s Grill & Bar
21151 E. Rittenhouse
(NWC Rittenhouse & Ocotillo)
Sunday night,
June 14, 2009
6P-9P
Pending approval
to set up
Safeway
18495 E Queen Creek Rd
(SEC Power & Queen Creek)
Monday night,
June 15, 2009
6P-9P
Pending approval
to set up
Town Council Meeting
Queen Creek Town Hall
Wednesday night,
June 17, 2009
7P
Public Forum
Rhino Caffe (Car Show)
22721 S. Ellsworth Rd #107
(just South of Serrano’s)
Friday night,
June 19, 2009
6P-9P
Approved
Farmer’s Market
Queen Creek Library
Saturday morning,
June 20, 2009
8A-12N
Approved
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SandiDale
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Posted: Tue Jun 16th, 2009 03:18 pm |
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Does anyone know if there is any progress towards appealing this change?
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GSBill
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Posted: Fri Jun 5th, 2009 03:59 pm |
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jrenae wrote:
Can we burn down the new post office and get our land back?
No. We need drive-up mail drop-offs and the ability to buy a stamp from a machine instead of waiting in line to buy a friggin' stamp.
I never buy stamps at the post office and drop my mail after hours when nobody is there. How about we get free stamps for life in exchange for the free taxpayer owned land given to the USPS?
QC residents are paying for a water company and now we gave away land that had great value. Decisions made by others "for us" that takes money out of our wallets.
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jrenae
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Posted: Fri Jun 5th, 2009 11:04 am |
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Can we burn down the new post office and get our land back?
No. We need drive-up mail drop-offs and the ability to buy a stamp from a machine instead of waiting in line to buy a friggin' stamp.
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GSBill
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Posted: Wed Jun 3rd, 2009 03:39 pm |
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My zip code changed too.
Thats because the USPS screwed the entire area giving it QC's zip code. QC should retain its zip code and not be a victim of yet another USPS blunder.
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Posted: Wed Jun 3rd, 2009 06:37 am |
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QCVillager wrote: bunches of people mad about this and sending emails to Town and elsewhere.
My zip code changed too. Can you please explain the rationale for anger and spending time doing anything but ordering new Current lables? Bunch of crybabies looking for a stage, seems to me. In a year, how with this hurt us? And how will it hurt us?
I'm old enough to remember the change to the "area code" - that extra three digits in front of the phone number - and the change from the letters to numbers in the phone number. I've lived in more than a few places while they went through zip code changes, and none of them dropped of the face of the earth.
Pick your battles, people! This is not worth the time. Adapt.
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GSBill
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Posted: Tue Jun 2nd, 2009 03:34 pm |
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Just wrote Mr. Flake.
Flakes office number... 480-833-0092Last edited on Tue Jun 2nd, 2009 04:29 pm by GSBill
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Posted: Tue Jun 2nd, 2009 07:30 am |
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bunches of people mad about this and sending emails to Town and elsewhere.
we need to work to get Congressman Jeff Flake to really help in any effort as our Fed representative. USPS seems to take Senators and Congress persons a bit more seriously than city/town staff and electeds.
so, everyone be sure to let Congressman Jeff Flake know of your interest in this topic. contact him here... http://flake.house.gov/Contact/
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ZIP codes only loosely tied to cities
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZIP_code
snip from above link:
..."The postal designations for place names become de facto locations for their addresses, and as a result it is difficult to convince residents and businesses that they actually are located in another city or town different from the "default" place name associated with their ZIP codes. Because of the confusion and lack of identity generated by this situation, some cities, such as Signal Hill, California, have successfully petitioned the Postal Service to change ZIP-code boundaries or create new ZIP codes so that their cities can be the "default" place name for addresses within the ZIP code. This confusion also can have financial implications for local governments, because mail volume is among the factors used by the U.S. Census Bureau to estimate population changes between decennial census enumerations. Sometimes local officials in a community that is not the "default" place name for a ZIP code but is an "acceptable" place name will advise residents to always use the name of the community, because if the census estimate of that town's population is low they will get fewer State and Federal funds that are computed based on population."...
If Signal Hill CA was successful, then maybe TOQC can be too!
Bob DotsonSan Tan Foothills (UNPC)
Not in Queen Creek, AZ 85242
PS Here is a list of 77 Fictional cities and towns that might be considered for UNPC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fictional_cities_and_towns
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GSBill
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clu wrote:
nybrian wrote: Is this some kind of evil plan to screw over the riff-raff by making it difficult to get through QC? 
Of course it is. It's to force you to drive by all those stores; kinda the way grocery stores put candy and gum and trash magazines in the checkout aisle.
QC and the developers were banking on the fact that pass thru traffic would stop dead in their tracks, shop and fill QC's coffers with sales tax revenue and then leave. Instead of smart, destination type retail and food we are now stuck with doubles of utilitarian type retail and empty space.
QC...fix the light timing so we can get outta here to shop elsewhere with decent stores.
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nybrian wrote: Is this some kind of evil plan to screw over the riff-raff by making it difficult to get through QC?
Of course it is. It's to force you to drive by all those stores; kinda the way grocery stores put candy and gum and trash magazines in the checkout aisle.
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QCVillager wrote: starleen wrote: Get a grip. Don't take it personally. This happens time to time, all the time, nationwide. My relatives who are 22 years residents of the area have seen street address changes, area code changes, and zip code changes. It's a byproduct of GROWTH. I can think of other issues to trouble the government entities with, I wouldn't dream of writing to complain about this issue.
Good for the printing industry, anyway, since so many business cards and letterheads must change.
what if i told you that this could cost a lot more than just a little stationary ? imagine how this might impact your pocket book from an auto or homeowners insurance standpoint for starters. there are a lot more reasons than you might think that make this something to be concerned about for our Town's residents.
I am an Insurance agent with Farmers Insurance, so I will tell you what I have seen as far as Zip Code changes. There has been dozens of Zip Code changes in the last couple of years. I can’t say what other companies will do or did but this is what Farmers did.
Some of the changes that were made in our area;
85243 was added and dropped the rates lower than the 85242 Zip
85240 rates went up a lot, because of the lack of fire service.
Rates should not change at all because of changing the Zip from a 2 to a 1, however, saying that, some people will have their agents blame a rate increase on it when the fact is they are just taking rate.
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Lumped with the riff-raff. And as much as I like QCVillager and the Town of QC I'm smiling at the poetic justice---expand into Pinal, cherry picking the tax revenue and you kind of get what you deserve. Along with the revenue comes the Pinal County zip code.
And as the riff-raff, I do have a complaint for you upper class QCers. Is it possible to screw up the loop road any more than you already have? It is actually quicker for me to take old Ellsworth road. Every time I drive the loop I get stuck at at least 3-5 traffic lights. Is this some kind of evil plan to screw over the riff-raff by making it difficult to get through QC?
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clu wrote:
Does anyone have a map of the new zip code?
http://www.queencreek.org/index.aspx?recordid=1132&page=13
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My auto/home insurance rates haven't been anything to brag about. Makes me quite angry how expensive it is actually. One agent I had in the past actually fibbed on the paperwork and garaged my car in some zip code up north (Scottsdale somewhere) because it was much less expensive. That was fraudulent and I don't carry them anymore, but it tells my point.
Does anyone have a map of the new zip code? I sit *just* the TOQC? Or other surrounding areas as well? Are we lumped in with the riff-raff? [running & ducking]
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QCVillager wrote: yes, i am saying that insurance costs for Town of Queen Creek residents could go up and could be "out of whack" with respect to risks/actuarials into perpetuity. there are a number of other reasons to oppose this change also and so we'll continue to do so.
Well maybe TOQC residents have been enjoying reduced insurance rates for all this time and now the time for accountability is here.
I don't recall, in the midst of the other zip, address, and area code changes I have been through, such complaints. So I will watch to see what happens.
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starleen wrote: QCVillager wrote: what if i told you that this could cost a lot more than just a little stationary ? imagine how this might impact your pocket book from an auto or homeowners insurance standpoint for starters. there are a lot more reasons than you might think that make this something to be concerned about for our Town's residents.
I'm facing a zip code change too, in Coolidge, and personally I'm dreadingt the logistics. I've been through it before in other areas. Are you saying that auto and home insurance will go up? Will it go down? Whatever! I'm just saying, this is not a new phenomenon and not to be unexpected. I don't think the cost of challenging it is worth the cost of compliance.
However, I know TOQC has been wishing for a unique zip code, and that might be worth a push back.
yes, i am saying that insurance costs for Town of Queen Creek residents could go up and could be "out of whack" with respect to risks/actuarials into perpetuity. there are a number of other reasons to oppose this change also and so we'll continue to do so.
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QCVillager wrote: what if i told you that this could cost a lot more than just a little stationary ? imagine how this might impact your pocket book from an auto or homeowners insurance standpoint for starters. there are a lot more reasons than you might think that make this something to be concerned about for our Town's residents.
I'm facing a zip code change too, in Coolidge, and personally I'm dreadingt the logistics. I've been through it before in other areas. Are you saying that auto and home insurance will go up? Will it go down? Whatever! I'm just saying, this is not a new phenomenon and not to be unexpected. I don't think the cost of challenging it is worth the cost of compliance.
However, I know TOQC has been wishing for a unique zip code, and that might be worth a push back.
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starleen wrote: Get a grip. Don't take it personally. This happens time to time, all the time, nationwide. My relatives who are 22 years residents of the area have seen street address changes, area code changes, and zip code changes. It's a byproduct of GROWTH. I can think of other issues to trouble the government entities with, I wouldn't dream of writing to complain about this issue.
Good for the printing industry, anyway, since so many business cards and letterheads must change.
what if i told you that this could cost a lot more than just a little stationary ? imagine how this might impact your pocket book from an auto or homeowners insurance standpoint for starters. there are a lot more reasons than you might think that make this something to be concerned about for our Town's residents.
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Get a grip. Don't take it personally. This happens time to time, all the time, nationwide. My relatives who are 22 years residents of the area have seen street address changes, area code changes, and zip code changes. It's a byproduct of GROWTH. I can think of other issues to trouble the government entities with, I wouldn't dream of writing to complain about this issue.
Good for the printing industry, anyway, since so many business cards and letterheads must change.
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QCVillager wrote:
Town got wind of this on the 19th of May.
since then, meetings/dialog with USPS and our Fed Congress/Senate representatives is the approach to try to stave off the change.
Thanx..I have been calling and letting them know how I feel. Can we burn down the new post office and get our land back?
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Town got wind of this on the 19th of May.
since then, meetings/dialog with USPS and our Fed Congress/Senate representatives is the approach to try to stave off the change.
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Bambi2 wrote:
GSBill wrote: I got a letter today from the bozo's we call the USPS. My zip code is changing to 85142. I live in the Town Of Queen Creek a good stones throw from the post office. I called the number on my notice and was told somebody in Washington made that decision(boy...I feel relieved now!) and that they are sorry. Now we are all royally screwed(cant use the f word)yet again...by our lovely postal service. What gives? Anybody in the know...actually know? Maybe they'll rename QC sooner or later. Where are our elected officials on this? Gift wrapping the next USPS give away perhaps?
Nothing's changed. Except my zip code is also 85142. We're still Queen Creek living in Pinal County, with the same zip.
Things have changed. The USPS has changed the zip code for and incorporated town..an official legal entity. It will cost the town even more money to change over and be a big pain to every resident and probably cost some a few bucks also. The USPS has made terrible decisions for QC and the surrounding area. They continue to do so. The USPS caused its own problems. They are led by idiots.
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GSBill wrote: I got a letter today from the bozo's we call the USPS. My zip code is changing to 85142. I live in the Town Of Queen Creek a good stones throw from the post office. I called the number on my notice and was told somebody in Washington made that decision(boy...I feel relieved now!) and that they are sorry. Now we are all royally screwed(cant use the f word)yet again...by our lovely postal service. What gives? Anybody in the know...actually know? Maybe they'll rename QC sooner or later. Where are our elected officials on this? Gift wrapping the next USPS give away perhaps?
Nothing's changed. Except my zip code is also 85142. We're still Queen Creek living in Pinal County, with the same zip.
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| I got a letter today from the bozo's we call the USPS. My zip code is changing to 85142. I live in the Town Of Queen Creek a good stones throw from the post office. I called the number on my notice and was told somebody in Washington made that decision(boy...I feel relieved now!) and that they are sorry. Now we are all royally screwed(cant use the f word)yet again...by our lovely postal service. What gives? Anybody in the know...actually know? Maybe they'll rename QC sooner or later. Where are our elected officials on this? Gift wrapping the next USPS give away perhaps? Last edited on Fri May 29th, 2009 10:11 pm by GSBill
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