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Bassett2
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Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2009 12:07 am |
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| Judgement has run-a- muck in the Republican party so we have a chance they'll run with Palin. I certainly hope so.
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Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 10:58 am |
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therenow wrote: Careful NY...after watching the democrats in Congress...she just may run and win!
I have a feeling we could run borat and win after this obamanation.
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Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 06:29 pm |
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nybrian wrote: Please, please, please run Palin in 2012. Please.
Careful NY...after watching the democrats in Congress...she just may run and win!
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Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 06:22 pm |
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| Please, please, please run Palin in 2012. Please.
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Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 04:57 pm |
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Pelosi Pushes "Carbon Tax" TODAY
To Go On Vacation
Cap and Trade = "Carbon Tax"
Pelosi, Waxman and the Democrats are fast-tracking Obama's "Carbon Tax" to double your ALL your energy costs.
A VOTE IS SCHEDULED FOR TODAY 6/26/09
Pelosi plans a House Floor Vote TODAY to raise taxes for Obama with the NEW "Carbon Tax". She suddenly forced House committees to finish their work on the massive bill in less than 24 hours. Congressmen did not even get time to read the bill with hand written notes in the margin. Why you ask because it is time for her Summer Vacation and Pelosi and Waxman promised Obama they would push the “Carbon Tax”.
Congress Must Know About This Bad "Carbon Tax" Bill NOW!
It is poor judgment and bad policy to raise taxes in difficult economic times, Congress must not pass new taxes on the American people during a recession!
A Heritage Foundation study shows that electricity costs would go up 90% and gas prices would go up another 58%. In turn this will lead to an additional 2.47 million people losing manufacturing jobs.
Obama Pushes Democrats To Get In Line
Waxman and lawmakers on the House Energy and Commerce Committee met with Obama on to discuss climate change legislation. The result "We said we're moving it this year and Obama didn't object," Waxman said.
House Democrats leading the charge on President Obama's energy bill said they expect to mark up a bill by the Memorial Day recess and have final legislation passed by the end of the year.
Many Democrats Want Nothing To Do With BTU Tax II
Obama's ambitious agenda has some House Democrats are fearing a repeat of 1994, when the Clinton BTU Tax was a priority and the party lost control of both the House and the Senate.
At a leadership meeting in the Pelosi's Capitol conference room is has been reported that, Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Chairman Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) argued that the House should move cautiously on a cap-and-trade bill if it doesn't look like the Senate will approve it.
With a lack of consensus on the varying proposals in the energy plan, Van Hollen has said the House should proceed cautiously on climate change and doesn't want vulnerable House Democrats - especially the freshmen under his care - to be forced to take difficult votes on the measure if it's not going to pass anyway.
A Typical Democrat Voter Response - Is the Spin Working?
This response it typical of what Democrats are saying: "Whatever it is...we're against it! Grand Obstructionist Party first...screw the country (may the economy and President fail for the greater good of the GOP we pray). These people are irrelevant. Pay no attention to those nude hikers behind the bushes." griff, seattle (Sent Tuesday, June 23, 2009 3:48 PM)
The Truth Obama's "Carbon Tax" Plan Taxes All Americans
It's sneaky. The Obama "Carbon Tax" or "Green Energy Tax" is a "Regressive Cap-and-Trade" plan that taxes every single person in America. Every time anyone flips on a light switch, tax dollars are collected. The Obama "Carbon Tax" plan doubles the price of your electric bill immediately. The tax money goes straight to Obama and his Federal Government bureaucrats.
Obama's "Carbon Tax" Plan Cost: $150-billion in NEW Taxes and a 10-Year Program To Develop Renewable Energy Supplies That Don't Even Exist Yet!
- Wind and solar combined can't even produce 1 percent of our needs yet
- Gas prices will be deliberately raised to make us cut back
- Heating bills will be forced up so much we'll be freezing in the dark
- Ethanol schemes are already shooting food prices through the roof
- Emission rules will be so harsh that jobs will flee to other countries
The Great Carbon Lie - Carbon Emissions Cause Global Warming
The basis of the Obama "Green Energy Tax" is the "Great Carbon Lie" that carbon emissions cause global warming. This has been proven to be completely wrong and based on bad science. Proof of this comes from Gore's own eco-friends at the United Nations with two simple pieces of data.
- Average Global Temperatures Have Decreased in the Last 10 Years.
- Carbon Emissions Have Increased 10 fold in the Last 10 Years.
Government Extortion of American Companies
This bill is just government extortion that aims at reducing greenhouse gas emissions 80 percent by 2050. The Obama "Caron Tax" proposal requires energy companies to buy licenses from the government in order to emit carbon while producing electricity.
The bottom line here is that under the Obama administration's plan money from ordinary energy consumers will be taken out of their pockets to fund big government special interest spending programs in Washington and bailouts on Wall Street. That's why the White House put the expected revenue from its "Carbon Tax plan into the budget to pay for its spending programs.
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of faxes are needed to be delivered to EACH AND EVERY Congressman right away. Be sure to send this Alert to EVERYONE you know who wants to help FORCE our government to STOP the EXCUSES and Save Taxpayers Not Spend More and Raise Taxes!
Keep calling your Congressmen today, toll free numbers include 1-877-851-6437 and 1-866-220-0044, or call toll 1-202-225-3121 AND REGISTER YOUR OUTRAGE at expanding the Obama Green Energy Tax Bill!
CALL PRESIDENT OBAMA 202-456-1111 and 202-456-1414 expressing your outrage at incompetence in wasting tax dollars to increase energy costs.
DO NOT BE SILENCED - MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD!
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 09:02 pm |
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| I find it amusing that the terminology was recently changed from "creating" jobs to "creating or saving" jobs. In essence, this gets him completely off the hook as it cannot be measured. He can say his policies are successful even though it is an outright lie.
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 01:25 pm |
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Republican_and_PROUD wrote:
Where in the Constitution is it the President's responsibility to "create or save" jobs? What gives him that right?
--R
you and i of course, know that "saving or creating" jobs is not something one will find in the Constitution. yet, countless millions of Americans look to gov't to take care of their every need and want from cradle to grave.
the posting was sarcastic - if President Obama and current administration is going to run around making claims that can neither be proven nor dis-proven, with full and willing participation by media who by and large haven't challenged a word of it, and where 50% (or more) of Americans don't second guess the claims... then i figured it very appropriate to make a claim of our own with respect to the same ability to "save or create".
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 06:44 am |
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Thanks....eventhough I'm not a REAL QC-er (I live in PC)
While I agree with Starleen and while it can be proven that Conservative policies have created more economic prosperity in this country there is a looming question:
Where in the Constitution is it the President's responsibility to "create or save" jobs? What gives him that right?
--R
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 06:13 am |
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| welcome to the forum Repub/Proud
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 05:53 am |
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Starleen,
Churchill was an amazing man and just like Churchill, Reagan had to clean up after a spineless appeaser. The only good that will come from Obama (the Spineless appeaser) is the next Reagan (Palin!!) and hopefully another few decades of conservatism. BUT that doesn't mean the Republican party should be 100% in charge either--look what happened the last 8 years, we had control and we took it for granted and sold-out to populism.
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 04:56 am |
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Bambi2 wrote: Let us not forget that Reagan "cut his Teeth" in the Democratic Party. That's where he learned to become a "citizen of the world, as well as a citizen of the United States." He didn't become a Republican until 1962.
Churchill: "If you're not Liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not Conservative when you're 35, you have no brain."
I was a liberal when I was young, and then I grew up and faced the hard facts.
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Posted: Wed Jun 10th, 2009 07:59 pm |
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| Gotcha, but they all do like to throw those numbers around though don't they. Unless of course the numbers are trending the other way.
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Posted: Wed Jun 10th, 2009 05:03 pm |
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tigershark wrote: I suppose I can't prove you right or wrong. However, since you mention that he created or saved that many jobs over his entire 8 year presidency we'll have to agree to continue this conversation in January of 2016. Only then will we be able to make a more apples to apples comparison.
no, we won't. you see... this is entirely UN provable. (just as it is for President Obama) i posted it tongue in cheek.
no one -- not the Labor Department, not the Treasury, not the Bureau of Labor Statistics -- actually measures "jobs saved." As the New York Times delicately reports, Mr. Obama's jobs claims are "based on macroeconomic estimates, not an "actual counting of jobs."" However dubious it may be as an economic measure, as a political formula "save or create" allows the president to invoke numbers that convey an illusion of precision. Harvard economist and former Bush economic adviser Greg Mankiw calls it a "non-measurable metric." And on his blog, he acknowledges the political attraction. "The expression 'create or save,' which has been used regularly by the President and his economic team, is an act of political genius," writes Mr. Mankiw. "You can measure how many jobs are created between two points in time. But there is no way to measure how many jobs are saved. Even if things get much, much worse, the President can say that there would have been 4 million fewer jobs without the stimulus." Mr. Obama's comments yesterday are a perfect illustration of just such a claim. In the months since Congress approved the stimulus, our economy has lost nearly 1.6 million jobs and unemployment has hit 9.4%. Invoke the magic words, however, and -- presto! -- you have the president claiming he has "saved or created" 150,000 jobs. It all makes for a much nicer spin, and helps you forget this is the same team that only a few months ago promised us that passing the stimulus would prevent unemployment from rising over 8%.
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Posted: Wed Jun 10th, 2009 04:07 pm |
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Let us not forget that Reagan "cut his Teeth" in the Democratic Party. That's where he learned to become a "citizen of the world, as well as a citizen of the United States." He didn't become a Republican until 1962.
Also, the unemployment rate will continue to rise, as the economy corrects itself. That is according to all economist I have read.
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Posted: Wed Jun 10th, 2009 03:57 pm |
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| I suppose I can't prove you right or wrong. However, since you mention that he created or saved that many jobs over his entire 8 year presidency we'll have to agree to continue this conversation in January of 2016. Only then will we be able to make a more apples to apples comparison.
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Posted: Wed Jun 10th, 2009 03:47 pm |
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our unemployment rate is currently approaching 10% and expected to go above that later this year. President Obama has claimed he has "saved or created" 150,000 jobs in his first 100 days as President. he claims now that he will "save or create another 600,000 jobs over the summer. that is great, but nowhere even close (as a percentage of population) to the number Ronald Reagan "saved or created".
Ronald Reagan "saved or created" 50 MILLION jobs during his presidency. disagree ? prove me wrong. you can't prove it wrong, just as there is absolutely no way to prove/disprove President Obama's claims.
after Carter, Reagan took office with the same upswing tide of unemployment, unemployment peaked at 10.8% shortly after Reagan took office. when Reagan left office the unemployment rate was 5.3%
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124451592762396883.html
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