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GSBill
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 03:15 pm |
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| The entire area is one huge valley. Take a look at a map. Valley of the sun ring a bell? Get up on top of a mountain in the area and see it for yourself. Includes all of Maricopa and Pinal county here and extends down towards Tucson.
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starleen
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 07:27 am |
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BryanMartyn wrote:
Welcome to San Tan Valley, AZ.
San Tan Valley? Valley? WHAT?
1 and 2 are not it - guess 3, 4 and 5 fit the bill.
val⋅ley
1.
an elongated depression between uplands, hills, or mountains, esp. one following the course of a stream.
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an extensive, more or less flat, and relatively low region drained by a great river system.
3.
any depression or hollow resembling a valley.
4.
a low point or interval in any process, representation, or situation.
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any place, period, or situation that is filled with fear, gloom, foreboding, or the like: the valley of despair
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 03:02 am |
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tomogo wrote: Hmmm, not my favorite choice. So what are the proposed boundaries of "San Tan Valley"? That name doesn't roll of the the tounge very well. Since I'm in the TOQC planning area in unincorporated Maricopa County on the town's border, am I going to be part of San Tan Valley or identifed as being Queen Creek for mailing purposes?
BryanMartyn wrote: Friends,
I was hoping to get some more time to canvas this topic. But, the new zip codes are accelerating the issue...
Attached is a map of the proposed municipality currently know as Queen Creek, San Tan, Greater San Tan Area, Johnson Ranch, Hunt Highway, San Tan Heights, Copper Basin, Pecan Creek, Skyline, Little Mexico... You get the picture. The community needs a name.
Here is the process that was used to help determine the most current choice, Bella Vista, Arizona.
As far as how we came upon the name, we (myself and Sheriff Babeu mostly) have spoken to over two hundred local citizens (multiple HOAs). I have explained how the original San Tan wasn’t really an option. The Gila Indian Reservation has a San Tan, AZ only a few miles from here.
Johnson Ranch, AZ has been considered unacceptable by most.
Then we looked at local history; Schnepf, AZ, Poston, AZ, Gantzel, AZ, Combs, AZ, Magma, AZ. Only a few, very few, have felt the community identified with these figures.
Then we tried some native plant names; Ironwood, AZ, Mesquite, AZ, Ocotillo, AZ. There have been a few people who liked the plant names.
Then we talked about the location of the geographic center of the community. The middle is on Gantzel between Combs and Bella Vista. That led to the suggestion of Bella Vista. Bella Vista has been resoundingly accepted by most. People seem to like the way it sounds. They appreciate the Spanish heritage. And they like that it doesn’t really belong to any HOA. It is in the middle of the community, for the community. So, there you have it.
Some have commented on naming a community after a street. It might not be quite a stretch…Scottsdale Road, Mesa Drive, Chandler Boulevard, Gilbert Road, or even Queen Creek…
Why now? What is the rush?
One of the things to point out is the need to get the word out about the newly proposed name. With the changes in zip code next month, we have the chance to get the name and number changed at the same time. 85142 will remain Queen Creek. Unfortunately, the postal district is population/district based and not community based. However, 85140 and 85143 could be listed as the new community's name.
Finally, the name of the community is independent of incorporation. The area needs to have an identity. Much of an identity is the name. A community rallies around its name or a common feature. We don’t have a common feature, yet. But we can have a name. Both Gold Canyon and Awatukee are examples of communities with a name and no incorporation.
This name, Bella Vista, is not a done deal. Although literally hundreds of citizens have had said they like Bella Vista, there are over 79k citizens within the proposed boundary. I'm asking for your input on the name. I know there will be hundreds of questions on the map/incorporation/hospitals/taxes/roads/police/fire. If we can focus on the name for a week, that would be great. We have lots of time to dive into the other issues.
This is the beginning phase of the process; education. We need to start the process and get as much public involvement as possible.
Sincerely,
Bryan
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 01:28 am |
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How was I supposed to know that there was even a website to go onto to vote on my "new town name"? Last I read in last weeks paper there was a small group that was opposing the way Belle Vista was being chosen. Now all of a sudden in less than one week's time, there was a vote on some website I never heard of and it's a done deal? What's with this? I live in Taylor Ranch at Ocotillo and Ironwood, no where near San Tan really and now I am San Tan Valley in another new zip code...that's 2 in the 2 yrs since my house was built. All my friends and family and business associates across the country are going to think I moved from Queen Creek already.
I never got a flyer on my door to tell me to vote. I didn't get a mailing in the mail. Nothing from my HOA. NADA. I say that the 17% that voted had all the say and lets have "do-overs" as the kids say. But this time how about informing voters?
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 10:53 pm |
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| Hmmm, not my favorite choice. So what are the proposed boundaries of "San Tan Valley"? That name doesn't roll of the the tounge very well. Since I'm in the TOQC planning area in unincorporated Maricopa County on the town's border, am I going to be part of San Tan Valley or identifed as being Queen Creek for mailing purposes?
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 10:49 pm |
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| emmo - you'll find greater depth of dialog on this issue on the Pinal County Forum... check it out here... http://www.newszapforums.com/forum26 Last edited on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 10:49 pm by
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 10:09 pm |
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| You pose interesting thoughts. Yes - indeed 1,800 votes definitely does not seem to coincide with the community's need for a name change which is to supposed to promote economic and political change to our area. My question that I bring forth is why were there not poll stations set up at Fry's or Bank of America or even at Chase Bank. These are major contributors to our local economy, but as a resident of the area, I saw little to any support from any of these local merchants. Can anyone explain? Does this change not affect all of us residents and merchants alike?
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 03:57 am |
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Don't forget that it's not really done until it's done.
Here is the quote of my earlier post with the most important part in red.
"In Arizona, the Arizona State Board on Geographic and Historic Names has statutory responsibility for determining the most appropriate names for place names in Arizona. Information about how that responsibility is exercised can be found at:
http://www.lib.az.us/about/bghn.cfm
The makeup of the board as of 1/27/2009 can be found at:
http://www.lib.az.us/about/pdf/Membership01-27-09.pdf
Anyone can suggest the naming of a place. The form for that is at:
http://www.lib.az.us/about/pdf/app08.pdf
Once an application is in the system for consideration, anyone can contact the board to support or object to the name proposal. The application requires the applicant to loosely specify conceptual boundaries and a conceptual geographic center, but I've learned that they are just that, conceptual, not bound by any statutory requirement or implication. The board wants to hear from a significant portion of stakeholders, and the greatest weight appears to be given to government stakeholders (i.e County Supervisors, and nearby City Council representatives), and organized groups (signature petitions). But everyone gets the opportunity to weigh in if they want. The State process does not happen overnight. And once the State approves a new named place, it takes at least 5 years before the USGS national register of named places will officially recognize it. I believe the State Board on Geographic and Historic Names, and the The Arizona Geographic Information Council (AGIC) meet 4 time each year, and a particular proposal may not be dispositioned the first time it goes before the board.
The keys for success: widely supported in writing, little opposition, strong (non-passive) support from government stakeholders. Silence or passive voice from government stakeholders or prevailing opposition can kill an application.
So I say --- PRESS!"
Just because the USPS recognizes a name, and the name becomes used, does not make it an officially named place. Without incorporation, if the community wants to name the community 'San Tan Valley', then community members need to take the next step and submit an official application to the naming board, and then champion the named place proposal in the community communicating community unity on the proposal to the board.Last edited on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 03:59 am by bobdotson
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 03:44 am |
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Congratulations San Tan Valley !
i am very much looking forward to all the residents of San Tan Valley being able to rally around a common theme/name/identity as a community and look forward to working together towards common goals for the region.
Regards, Jeff Brown
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BryanMartyn
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 02:40 am |
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Well, the results are in. San Tan Valley was decisively selected with 17% of the over 1700 votes via email, on-line ballots, and paper ballots. The previously submitted name of Bella Vista came in second with 11% of the vote.
Thank you to those in the community who came out to voice their opinions on the subject. Although a time-constrained process, the combination of zip code change and name change will help to alleviate some of the angst of changing everything from letterhead to credit cards. Most importantly, the naming of the area will allow an increased focus and emphasis on bringing in desperately needed economic development.
Now the process of coming together as a community begins. No longer will 80,000 citizens need to explain where they live. The area stands united as they start a new community; a family, if you will. The efforts of those before will be built upon. New traditions will emerge. The community's unique wants, needs, and desires will begin to take shape. Today is the beginning of a community where the grandchildren of today will choose to raise their children.
Thank you to so many in the community who stepped up to help spread the word. Thanks to Dena Larsen and Rhett Homan in the Pecan Creek area for their commitment to the process and the community.
Very special thanks to Tisha Castillo of GSTAC for going above and beyond to get the word out. Her efforts were monumental. Her organization of community-wide ballots, combined with the town hall meeting organization were instrumental.
The official results (all the numbers/demographics) will be out this Friday on the GSTAC website http://www.ourgstac.com and at http://www.pinalcountytoday.com. There is also additional news available on the http://www.pinalcountytoday.com website.
Welcome to San Tan Valley, AZ.
Bryan
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jrenae
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 02:30 am |
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I understand why the name is that, but "San Tan" is so overused as it is.
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 12:15 am |
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Its a done deal, now. "San Tan Valley" is the new name for the unincorporated Pinal county area... Not my favorite among the choices, but I can live with it.
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