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SPY HUNTER
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 06:14 pm |
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Well JYMW.the reason they move here is because of the tranquility of the community not realizing that because of the covenants and restrictions are the reason for the tranquility of the community. So when they get here and its not all peace and quiet and then they complain not realizing they maybe part of the problem because they are not complying with CC&RS.
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Bill Pearson
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 02:14 pm |
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Great comments gang; you nailed it, keeping Sun City a special place is up to each and every one of us. Thanks for helping bring logic and common sense to the discussion.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 04:34 am |
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I believe there is an opening on the SCHOA Board, Jymw you might give some thought to volunteering.
With regard to renters, the condo associations are self policing. Many have voted to eliminate, reduce or control the number of renters in their group. There is, and probably always will be, a need for a limited number of rental units for people who cannot qualify to buy or prefer to rent for the simple reason they still have strong family ties back home. Many have lost a spouse and have no interest in buying. Many people rent for 2-3 years, then buy. Condos are a good way to go for these people and they are not normally the types to be a problem.
So far as private home rentals are concerned SCHOA is about all there is and they need the support of every citizen in Sun City. We are our own best neighborhood policemen when it comes to keeping our neighbors in line. It is not for people to constantly complain about petty things, clothes lines and the like but it is very important that serious violations such as underage, drug abuse, junk cars, commercial vehicles, in-home businesses and general decline of properties be reported. SCHOA does follow-up and they do a very good job, to the best of their ability and awareness. They need the support of all of us. Many private homes are rented by absentee owners, often people who have inherited a house and are not familiar with or overly concerned by our CC&Rs. Then, of course, there those few slum lords that exist all over the country that are simply in it for the money, overwhich there is no control.
It is up to all of us to see to it that Sun City continues to be a delightful place to retire to and to live out the final years of our lives. We have good medical facilities and the majority of the people who live here really do care. Like it is important for the RCSC to keep our buildings up to date, it is equally important to maintain our streets. Probably your best bet there is to call our county supervisor Max Wilson and encourage him to see to it we are properly looked after. This is an election year, maybe he will be in the mood to listen to you.
Letting the county govern our fair town is at the election of the citizens, primarily to save thousands of dollars per year in taxes. I am afraid we must therefore be prepared to accept what we get, to a certain degree. That does not mean we should give up, but give of our own time and efforts to look after ourselves.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 02:35 am |
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| The anti SHOA sentiment that I read here and hear in talking to residents is discouraging. SHOA may not be the perfect answer. I do not really understand the fragmented governance in Sun City either; or maybe I should say lack of governance but SHOA (membership should be mandatory) is the best resort for assuring the compliance of the CC&Rs. I really do not know why people move into an association with Conditions, Covenants, and Restrictions if they do not intend to comply with them. Sun City is a wonderful place; Del Web used great foresight in planning the lot and street lay out and in the selection in the kinds of housing available. It is amazing that even after 50 some years it is still desireable. But we must face reality; SC is an older retirement facility and as such its infrastructure is fading. Many streets need repair (not under SC control), weeds grow in paving cracks, sidewalk cracks, driveways, and of course in many lawns. There have been many "do it yourself" projects over the years and while many are well done others would not fly in Sun City Grande or Anthem. Constant vigilance is the only way to maintain property values! And SHOA is the only agency with any teeth to keep properties in compliance by enforcing the CC&Rs to which we all agreed. On the question of rental property; I have met many wonderful citizens who are renters but I have also seen valuable associations reduced to half their value over ten years when the number of rentals becomes disproportionate and the absentee landlords are so numerous that there is no interest in Board of Director meetings the "Let George do it syndrome". If positive and deliberate action does not endure to maintain property values and community spirit SC will decline. Believe it and accept it!
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Posted: Wed Apr 9th, 2008 05:59 pm |
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Thank you for replying. I'm glad to hear that property owners/landlords are required to pay the full assessment each year on multiple properties. It is optional for the tenant to pay 1/2 the assessment(or $190) for each tenant rec card. Many tenants do not pay for the tenant privilege card and instead use the facilities under another member's guest punch card when necessary.
It is simple for the RCSC to check to see if the assessment has been paid for the year. They knowingly assess a tenant for the privilege card. Technically this is not double taxation and makes the practice legal.
RCSC assessment, Condo Association monthly fees, and property taxes sometimes make it difficult for "income" property to be profitable unless you bought when home prices were low.
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Posted: Wed Apr 9th, 2008 02:29 pm |
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| Yes, I do pay the annual assesment for all 3 condos plus my own home. The RCSC loves guys like me. The bad part is that the tenant must also pay the fee if he choses to use the facilities. I believe this to be very wrong as it is double taxation. The tenant pays the fee in his base rent and again to belong. Not right. The response I received to this was something like "it is just too difficult to keep track of". This is BS of course but it would take a lawsuit to correct the issue and the RCSC knows this would be costly and no one is likely to pursue it.
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Posted: Wed Apr 9th, 2008 02:16 pm |
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I'm glad you replied to this topic. As an owner of 3 properties, do you pay 3 annual property assessments of $380 for these rentals? I know the tenants can also pay a fee to get access to the rec centers, but do you also pay annually for each?
I'd much rather see a property rented to a responsible tenant than left vacant or neglected by a absentee owner. Thank you for doing your part and please reply to my question.
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Posted: Wed Apr 9th, 2008 05:57 am |
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| Not all landlords are slumlords. I happen to own 3 condos that I rent to very lovely ladies that I have pre-qualified and they enjoy 5 year leases they can afford. The individual condo HOA's police the activities of condo complexes and see to it the tenants keep in line or they go after the property owner. It is the responsibility of SCHOA to do this for individual homes and it up to the neighbors to report un-sightly conditions so that we can all enjoy our Sun City life style. It is up to us to keep our property values up and to see to it our neighbors do the same. Just complaining accomplishes nothing...take action or see to it the proper people do. Be constructive and helpful to the community, not just another busy body with nothing better to do than complain.
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Posted: Sun Mar 23rd, 2008 03:41 pm |
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I have to agree with 2JP's about the properties on the market. I am amazed how many sales agents have no interest in what the curb appeal is on the home they have listed and are showing. I know it's tough to get the owners to pop for monthly or bi-monthly yard work, but in the long run it has to be a wise investment.
Clearly weeds are an issue this year. The heavy rains have made it an near impossible task to keep up with. That said, pulling them is great exercise and can be done a little each day to not over tax some of the older folks. Finally, we should never hold the winter visitors to a higher standard than those of us here year round. The fact is, an ugly yard is an ugly yard.
Happy Easter to all and may all your eggs peel easy.
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Posted: Fri Mar 21st, 2008 05:51 pm |
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This is probably more Big Brother business, but here's a possible solution to some of the rental/for sale properties that are so AWFUL looking.
It would be great if people that had rental properties would be required to have a monthly yard service. I know many times a long term lease tenant does the upkeep, but many do not and when the house is vacant it often times gets run-down.
When a home is listed for sale the seller should require the agent to pay for yard service or made part of the listing agreement. It could always be added to the sales commission if the sale was successful.
I know that there are many that keep up their yards nicely, but driving around our city you can almost tell the rentals. There are so many homes on the market and many are also falling into disrepair.
I hope the SCHOA really goes after the winter visitors that let their property go wild over the summer. There's no excuse with so many gardening services available at reasonable rates.
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Bill Pearson
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Posted: Sun Mar 16th, 2008 03:57 pm |
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One of the reasons we became more aggressive a couple of years back was the influx of investors. Sun City has always had rental property (and always will). The problem today is many investors are upside down and flipping it isn't an option. There have been occassions where they will rent to anyone (including underage) and hence you have read how we have been pressing that issue.
There are several factors which will help keep Sun City from becoming something other than it was intended. The cost of buying here includes the capital preservation fees and the yearly lot assessment. The RCSC monitors payment closely and when we do our jobs at SCHOA, we can help insure Sun City remains a great retirement community.
Please give us a call on that property scroggy...it helps all Sun Citians.
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Posted: Sun Mar 16th, 2008 02:55 pm |
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| Thanks Bill for the offer of assistance, but I think a compliance officer would only be a bandage for a much more serious situation. My point being, if Sun City remains open to rentals, there is no means of preventing its demise. I don't want Sun City becoming low income housing! I realize that people on public assistance (section 8, etc.) have to live somewhere, I just don't think it ought to be in a retirement community such as Sun City.
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Posted: Sun Mar 16th, 2008 04:17 am |
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Hey scroggy, give us a call on Monday and ask for Bill in compliance. All you will need is the address and the list of violations. They will send one of the compliance officers out to take a look at the property and then contact the owners with a list of the violations. We aren't under any budgetary constraints regarding bringing homes into compliance.
Unfortunately, you have the uninformed like fed up who is quick to throw stones but has no clue about what he our she is mumbling about. Darn straight FU, we are getting rich on that $12 a year. Too funny.
Afraid to take people on because we'll lose FU? The fact is we went to court this past year and won. Remember Mr Green? Of course you do. We didn't drop anything, nor will we. Our goal is to try and resolve these matters internally whenever possible (which is 95% of the time).
SCHOA provides an invaluable service to Sun City and the vast majority of the residents. The only folks truly troubled by us are the ones who think they have a right to trash their property. It's pretty simple...they don't. When you buy a property in Sun City, you agree to live by the CC&R's.
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Posted: Sun Mar 16th, 2008 12:17 am |
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Well Scroggy, just another story of confirmation of the utter uselessness of what a few busy bodies banded illegally and call them selves the SCHOA are all about. They have the money for legal means, but recently they all mighty and supreme president of the social club claimed that inaccurately. They are seldom legally correct and their so called attorney(only practices HOA law against homeowners) simply advises them to go back into their hole, and they do.
As far as your slumlords, well they probably have an attorney who practices real law, not law just against homeowners, so there you go, rest assured they will not do anything. Your best bet is to file a formal complaint to the county ....they have authority and can adjudicate without causing you great expense.....Uhh that is what we pay taxes for.
The some 65 lawsuits they claim they are not pursuing are simply because they would loose...I know I am one of them and they are dead wrong, pains me they did not have the guts to back up their attempts at intimidation by the incompetent paid and volunteer staff.
As far as the supreme president and his CC&R's, be reminded again, they have been challenged in court, and what did the buffoons at SCHOA do? Yup you got it they ran and hid again and of course dropped their ridiculous law suit.
Best way to run these buffoons out of town is:
Do not give them money, that is all they want.
Do not patronize their sponsors.
Do not use their contractor references, they are the worst in the area and overcharge. Their idea of the best contractor is the one who gives them the most money, it figures.
Do not allow your forced real HOA if you live in a condominium to join them and give them any of your already probably outrageous dues, in your name, simply to grub up what they view as in the bag votes. You people who live in the silly little condo hoa's totally have my sympathy.
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Posted: Sat Mar 15th, 2008 04:34 pm |
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I happen to have a rental property next door to me. It is owned by a group of Realtors and used expressly for rental purposes only. It was formerly owned by a little 97 year old lady, who always kept it up and made sure the yard was attractive and an asset to the community.
Since is sale three years ago to the "Slum Lords" who now own and rent it, it has been in a constant state of disrepair. Different tenants have let their dogs do their business all over the yard and don't bother cleaning up after them. Several of the once beautiful citrus trees have died, and weeds are taking over what once used to be a well groomed yard. It is currently a haven for just about every pigeon in Sun City and the surrounding areas.
The present tenant (56 yrs of age and able to work) does not work, is a recipient of SECTION 8 assistance, and is currently receiving SSI. Mind you, this person has a wide screen TV, CABLE, COMPUTER with INTERNET, regularly drives a fairly new vehicle, and of course-has a dog!
I bought in Sun City to live in a clean and well kept community. I do not want to live in the projects, ghettos, or even near slum housing. SCHOA, from what I understand, is under staffed and lacking funds to take on legal proceedings that might clear up these type situations. Something needs to be done to prevent slum lords from taking over Sun City! Since the real power in Sun City lies with the Recreation Centers of Sun City, maybe the corporation can come up with something? After-all, there aren't many slums or public housing projects that have golf courses, recreation centers, or bowling alleys! I would think it would be difficult to collect membership fees, let alone keep raising the fees, in the sums!
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