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SCHOA SEEMS LIKE "BIG BROTHER" AT TIMES
 
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Bill Pearson
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 Posted: Mon Mar 24th, 2008 02:57 pm
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I was going to respond yesterday, so thanks for the prompt SCF. The fact that no one is living in the "camper" has nothing to do with it being a violation. If it has the hook ups and if it is indeed a vehicle that is used a camper then it would be considered a violation.

The reason i suggested corvettest contact SCHOA was because the best way to get an answer is to go to the source. There is a fine line between a van and a camper. I would never make that call without seeing it (hence my suggestion below to contact me or SCHOA). The problem is, i am certain the compliance officers have gone and looked at it.  They would not send a letter based on a phone call; they always do an inspection first.


Corvettest and anyone who gets a violation notice has the ability to appeal the claimed violation to first the compliance committee and then the board of directors. The compliance committee would look at the vehicle (in this case) and the board would see pictures. Both would listen to the argument as to why the violation should receive a waiver.


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 Posted: Mon Mar 24th, 2008 04:10 am
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Bill

Would you please explain to these good people what constitutes a camper ?

It has nothing to do with length.

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 Posted: Mon Mar 24th, 2008 01:21 am
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Say Bill. I hope you can check to see just what happened in this case and see why the letter was sent. It seems that there is more to this story than just the "van" parked in the driveway. I sure wouldn't have given in to the letter so quickly if I thought there was no violation.

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 Posted: Sun Mar 23rd, 2008 08:04 pm
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No, it's not straightened out.

My husband drove it back home.  Of course we could have put it into the compound;  we checked and they did have a place but, as I said..................it's our CAR.  If it was in the compound how would we get there?

We were NOT living in it;  it was not plugged in.  It was NOT here since December.  SCHOA simply decided to believe the "reporter" and never even checked with us. 

So it's going to be at home and he's going to drive back down in either the car or pickup. THEN, I expect we will be in violation because the pickup is longer than the van.  We never park on the street unless we are loading our motor home.

What an introduction to sCHOA.:?

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 Posted: Fri Mar 21st, 2008 05:43 pm
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I trust you got this all worked out with the SCHOA by now? I guess if they saw the van plugged into the utilities for the house it may have caused a problem. The "new, improved" CCR's does have something about vehicles that are self contained being in violation regarding the parking restrictions. If you drive it daily and no one uses it for housing, I would think they'd have to allow it.

We, too, were snowbirds for a long time and had a yard service during the summer months. Thank you for doing your part to keep our neighborhoods looking nice year round!

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 Posted: Fri Mar 21st, 2008 05:00 pm
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The van wasn't towed.:)

AND, it does NOT sit and gather dust.  We drive it daily;  it's our "car."  It's just a bit too tall to drive into the garage.

It really bothered me that SCHOA takes other people's accusations as gospel rather than just calling or coming by and asking.  If they do "600 drive-bys" surely they can ask;  we are outside most of the time.  Many "walkers" have stopped to ask to see inside this van.  We have a motorhome which is parked in the compound;  we know the rules.

Yes, we are Snowbirds but we have year round yard service, our yard is never "a mess" and we let neighbors who live here year round use our pool  We are good neighbors.

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 Posted: Thu Mar 20th, 2008 06:01 pm
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No, I didn't mean that the SCHOA was towing away the van. I thought perhaps the owner was having it brought to the shop to get it into running condition.

What a gorgeous day today!  So thankful to be able to be living here. :cool:

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 Posted: Thu Mar 20th, 2008 02:15 pm
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Geez, 2JP's, are you trying to make us look bad? While you did bring a smile to my face, i have to say, we don't tow residents vehicles (at least we never have while i've been around SCHOA). I suspect if there was a long sitting vehicle on the street we would call the county and they might act. Or, if a resident flat out refused to comply, we would work through the process, assess the recovery costs, and then seek injunctive relief. While it is a slow process, ultimately it becomes a very expensive one for a person who thinks they can do whatever they want.

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 Posted: Thu Mar 20th, 2008 03:31 am
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Did you by any chance have a white Vandura? We saw it being towed down the street tonight.....

One of the violations being acted upon is storing non-running vehicles on the property.  Doesn't make any difference if it is a van, truck or passenger car. Keep air in the tires, remove the dust once a month and just to be sure you better drive the rattletrap around the block a few times.

Big Brother is watching but it's in a protective way.

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 Posted: Wed Mar 19th, 2008 08:54 pm
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I suspect whoever called in may have said it was there since the end of December but SCHOA's compliance officers do inspections 5 days a week (they have been averaging over 600 per month). In the case of this complaint they would go and look at the vehicle and and then do a follow up several days later to see if it was still there.

As far as the size of the van/camper, there are criteria for what is and what isn't. If you pm me the address i will go look at it and get back to you whether it is a violation or not. Better yet, you should just call SCHOA's office and ask for a compliance officer who can fill you in on why your vehicle is an issue and why you got the letter. 

We know there are people who report neighbors for things that aren't violations, but if you received a letter, there may well be a problem.


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 Posted: Wed Mar 19th, 2008 07:29 pm
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Today we received a letter from SCHOA saying we have been reported for having had an RV parked in our driveway since Dec. 25.

For one thing, it's a VAN and is listed as that on all papers.  For another thing, it's smaller than pickups parked in other driveways. 

AND, we didn't even come to Sun City until mid JANUARY.

Does SCHOA just believe things "reported" to them and not even bother to check with owners?  It seems we've been labeled as not following the rules and none of what was reported is even true.  It doesn't feel very good to receive a letter saying untrue things and being threatened when we've not even been asked regarding the situation.

If this is how SCHOA operates, people could report most anything and get others in trouble.  We've been trying to get friends to move here...........now I wonder if I still feel comfortable with a Big Brother reporting system.


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