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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 05:37 pm |
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[ think you are right B.N. about the insurance part plus they get rid of recyclables they can get rid of to make room for more and have another fire sale
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 03:05 pm |
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| Winterguy I lived in GLENDALE FOR 50 YEARS .their garbage pickup alone was a lot more than we pay in sun city
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 03:03 pm |
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| WINTERGUY AHHHH come on why would you say that
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 03:01 pm |
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| YES and several of them have caught on fire more than once-----------INSURANCE MAYBE ????
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 07:12 am |
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Retired AF Pilot wrote: Park and Sons explained at the meeting why they could not mix plastic with the normal garbage for pickup in one truck. Too hard to separate and dangerous. It would require a new truck and crew and therefore additional cost.
I was not suggesting they mix plastic with regular garbage. They already send a truck and crew out to pick up papers that are bagged or bundled. Shouldn't be too difficult to separate plastics that are also bagged. So, I don't buy their argument.
Be that as it may, I think they have pretty darn good deal. As a seasonal resident, I am gone more than half of each year. But, I pay them for garbage collection all year. So, you might say they are getting paid for doing nothing - or - they are collecting double for the months I am here. Moot point, and not worth debating but they are making out pretty well when all of us seasonals go home for the summer.
I'm probably done with this topic for now, but it will be interesting to see what the committee comes up with.
I think this has been a pretty good discussion, even if I did get a little wierd for awhile.
Hey bill n., I'm starting to get the feeling you don't want curbside recycling. Is that right? 
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 08:15 pm |
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Recycling is great but sometimes I wounder. Have you ever noticed the stalk pile of recycled items in the recycling businesses. They are a breading ground for insects and rodents also not to mention a fire hazard. You only have to watch the news.
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 07:37 pm |
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| we do not want curb side recycling and will not do it ,period
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 04:24 pm |
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Park and Sons explained at the meeting why they could not mix plastic with the normal garbage for pickup in one truck. Too hard to separate and dangerous. It would require a new truck and crew and therefore additional cost.
The best answer, at no additional cost, is for all of us to continue to take our recyclables to the 3 pickup points, have the Lions sort it, and have Park and Sons provide more bins for plastic and tin. But, if the bins cause additional cost, then that is another matter.
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 04:06 pm |
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Sorry Bill. I guess I read some saracasm into your reply that wasn't there. I think the opening 'hello?' came off to me as similar to the response that asked where I was coming from.
The basis for my question was your post on April 10th that mentioned mandatory fees and the comment from P&S that everyone would have to pay them. I was simply trying to pin down who had the authority to start something that would require mandatory fees.
As you explain things in your current posting, it sounds like a win-win as you say.
Perhaps the committee could explore why Park and Sons couldn't pick up plastic bottles at the same time they pick up the papers. Can't see it would cost them any more to do that.
I seem to recall the trash trucks have something like 'We Recycle' painted on the sides. I wonder just what that means.
Thanks for the explanation about what is going on.
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 01:44 pm |
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You seem like a level headed guy Winterguy, so i have to ask, what in my response was shocking? While nothing is carved in stone, i said the meeting was well attended and lots of good ideas and suggestions came from it. There are those here who think SCHOA is going to force curbside recycling on Sun City residents.
The fact is, we got involved in talking about recycling because people who had came from areas with better programs wondered why we did so little here. The Parks and Sons gang did a great job at the meeting as did the Lions. Those in attendance were quite vocal about the pluses and minuses of curbside pickup.
Best of all, 17 people volunteered to sit on a committee to to look at enhancing the recycling effort. One of the major concerns was regarding plastics. They now have bins in Sun City West and i suspect we could well end up with them at our collection points.
All of this seems a win/win to me. If we are able to expand the interest in recycling drop off points and if we are able to increase the amount the Lions make for all of the hard work they put in, who loses? (By the way, the Lions are not an organization that spends millions on structure and salaries) I find it frustrating to hear posters suggest SCHOA is going to force curbside (mandatory recycling) on Sun City residents when there is nothing to suggest that is the case (please reback the posts and see the comments asking how SCHOA can force added costs on residents, we can't).
My final comment pointed out we are simply fascilitators in the discussion. We are a self-governance community and and as such, we run with organizations working in concert with the residents. The most amazing thing is it has worked for near on 50 years and as long as people participate and volunteer in the process it should work for another 50.
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 07:24 am |
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Wow! Sorry I got everyone so excited with my stupid question. Mea culpa. But, I did get the information I wanted.
I asked the question because up North, where I am known as Summerguy we have mandatory recycling. It started as a part of our property tax. Then, when the city wanted to show a lower increase in our taxes they created a separate fee which included it with some other services.
At first we had to sort all of the materials into different categories. Then they just gave us a large container and we put papers, cans (steel and aluminum), plastic bottles, cardboard, magazines, etc. in and they pick it up. As a household with only two people, we found we could recycle and compost almost all of our waste with very few exceptions. We then canceled our trash collection. Every few weeks a friendly neighbor lets us drop a small bag of those few items that cannot be recycled or composted in their trash. Saves us a lot because trash collection is very expensive up there.
I realize this would not work here, but just thought you might want to see where I am coming from.
Is recycling good for the environment and or cost effective? I doubt it. If it was cost effective we wouldn't have to pay for it. I also don't think the carbon footprint (new PC terminology) is reduced by the trucks and other resources needed to convert the stuff into useful material. But, it makes us feel good with the idea we are doing something to help the environment. Sort of like donating to organizations that spend 90 percent of the money raised on fundraising and administrative overhead (big salaries for leaders).
I have really liked the friendly nature of this forum, so I was a little shocked at the reaction my question got, especially from Bill Pearson. And, would someone please explain to me what the hell this has to do with relocating geese? That one really came from out of left field. Man, if you are upset about it start an new topic.
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 01:41 am |
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 01:41 am |
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| Yes, a vote is the answer, but who will hold the vote other than the SCHOA? It will have to be the SCHOA or you are correct, some busybody will get Maricopa County or the State of Arizona to mandate it.
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 01:03 am |
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| You're running in circles. When you have the vote for or against, you'll find out how many are inconvenienced by going to the recycle bins and how many want to pay for pick-up. Too few read Rustys posts to be effectively persuaded either way.If you talk about it too long it will become old news and it will be enacted on your trash bill without consent. Did you get to vote on the newspaper recycle pickup? PUT IT TO THE VOTE, NOW, DECIDE BEFORE ITS DECIDED FOR YOU.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19th, 2008 11:06 pm |
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| I think you both just said the same thing !
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Posted: Sat Apr 19th, 2008 09:22 pm |
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| To be honest Mr. Pearson, No, I don't believe the HOA can do a better job about recycling. Only the citizens of Sun City aligned with Parks and Sons can. Your forums are only a device to facilitate discussion and no more. You cannot make policy or implement anything without the citizens of Sun City agreeing with any CCR change. So far, I see no initiative to do so. So until that happens, all of this talk is only that, Talk.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19th, 2008 08:53 pm |
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| 2 w inter guy <<<TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION NO BUT PARKS AND SONS CAN RAISE YOU RATES WITH THE PROPER ATHOURITY>>>WE DO NOT NEED CURB SIDE RECYCLING><><><>M<<> AND TO THE NUTS THAT COMPLAINED ABOUT THE LONGNECK GEESE THAT THE COUNTY IS NOW REMOVING SHAME ON YOU SHAME SHAME SHAME
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| 2 w inter guy <<<TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION NO BUT PARKS AND SONS CAN RAISE YOU RATES WITH THE PROPER ATHOURITY>>>WE DO NOT NEED CURB SIDE RECYCLING><><><>M<<> AND TO THE NUTS THAT COMPLAINED ABOUT THE LONGNECK GEESE THAT THE COUNTY IS NOW REMOVING SHAME ON YOU SHAME SHAME SHAME
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Posted: Sat Apr 19th, 2008 07:38 pm |
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Hello? SCHOA is simply fascilitating talks regarding the recycling issues. Does anyone think we can't do a better job with recycling in Sun City? The great thing about the discussions are we are hearing plenty of good ideas and suggestions from residents and from the stake holders. Seems like a win/win proposition to me.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19th, 2008 07:30 pm |
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Since Sun City is an unincorporated entity and the SCHOA is only empowered to enforce the CCRs, you are correct. SCHOA cannot impose a mandatory anything on Sun City Citizens without a majority vote of Sun City citizens authorizing a change to the CCRs.
Maricopa County or the State of Arizona can impose via legislation and the law such mandatory taxation and services.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19th, 2008 07:19 pm |
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What on Earth are you talking about ?
Nowhere does anyone say that the SCHOA has any official input as to whether there is or is not going to be recycling in Sun City.
There is no government entity in Sun City, other than perhaps Maricopa County, who could impose mandatory recycling.
SCHOA is merely acting as a clearing house for ongoing discussions about the subject.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19th, 2008 06:19 pm |
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I have a simple question. Mandatory fees for recycling would be a form of taxation. Does SCHOA have the authority to impose a tax on the residents of Sun City? What gives them this authority? I don't see anything in the CC&R's that allows this.
I look forward to your explanation.
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Posted: Thu Apr 17th, 2008 08:25 pm |
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| Hi bill benn out of town(thanks for the compliment) will catch up to blogs next day or so(have a bunch of roses to take care of (they feel a little neglected)
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Posted: Fri Apr 11th, 2008 01:32 am |
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The presenters responded to the question regarding a "madatory program" by telling those in attendance they couldn't force them to use the recycle bins, but they would all have to pay for it. It is nice to know when you are right, you are right...no matter what.
I would agree, God Bless the Armed Forces.
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 11:23 pm |
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God bless the Air Force and the rest of the USA armed services....
You are right i n last post...
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 11:19 pm |
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I call them like I see them and that is the way I see them...Like the old saying goes you can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink.
You can have recyling but can't force people to do it,my freind I personly will not do it curb side.
My son lives in the great city of Peoria,they have recyling,he says on his block very few recyling cans are put out and these ain't old f -- (people).
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 10:43 pm |
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Great turnout today at SCHOA's office for the meeting on recycling. As stated, there was not and still is not any predetermined outcome. Our goal was to bring residents together and listen to what they had to say.
The opening remarks came from the Lions and Parks and Sons. They both gave an overview as to the role they currently play and could play into the future. Kudo's to both for an excellent presentation. Clearly, people like the work both do.
The questions ranged from what costs could be if there was a full curbside program to how effective it would be to have expanded voluntary pickups at existing sites. Most of the folks in the room wanted to see plastics included the program, whichever road it takes.
A suggestion was made to have SCHOA try and incorporate a survey into their website to allow for broader resident reach. I suspect at the April board meeting we will be talking about the possibilities of doing so.
It would be helpful if people having comments did so on Newszap as well. This is an issue that is of interest and the more input we get the better.
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 07:25 pm |
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Thanks SCF, i did mean April 10.
I don't see anywhere i said anything about the East Coast R AF P. The reason i posted the links from Wikipedia is because there are volumes written with bias for and against recycling (and i was trying to avoid the bias). It all depends on which point of view you want to subscribe to.
The value of recycling, or lack thereof, is dependent often on ones point of view. Is it just about saving money? Is about saving the environment? Is it about convienence? Is it about letting the hauler have another avenue about profit? Is it about making life more difficult residents who now are sorting their trash?
The answer is yes to all of the above (and perhaps dozens more). Which side you come down on is more a personal preference than a factual engagement. We could debate it forever. All we are doing at SCHOA is responding to inquiries from residents. Like i said, we have taken no position one way or the other. This meeting today is a fact finding mission.
Hopefully those interested will show up. See you all at 1 pm.
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 04:33 pm |
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Mr. Pearson,
You say that SCHOA has been responding to inquiries from those of the East Coast used to curbside pickup. I too came from the Washington DC area with curbside pickup and I found it to be inefficient, costly, and only another way for local government to garner more taxes in the form of fees. The recycling of aluminum, iron and steel is the only cost effective form of recycling presently in the USA. Plastic, glass, and paper are more costly to recycle than dispose of and because of that, they usually end up on landfills anyway. I saw this in California where mandated recycling goes back into the early 80s. It was boon to local and state government in the form of fees, but did nothing for the environment.
Has a study been done by a reputable firm proving the need for recycling? If not, why not? That should have been done prior to holding public meetings.
What about those on fixed income such as Social Security? Is SCHOA or Maricopa County going to subsidize them and raise fees and taxes on the rest of us to pay for the subsidization?
You may disagree with my perception that the Independent, Rusty Bradshaw, and the SCHOA committee are biased towards mandatory recycling, but I have yet to see any opposing points of view put forward in the Independent, by Mr. Bradshaw or your committee at the HOA. Therefore the perception of bias is a valid assessment.
I and others expect you to convene and run an unbiased public forum about this proposed solution that is searching for a problem. Because there is already an existing no cost effective program in Sun City that is taking care of the issue of recyclables on a voluntary basis. And isn't Sun City know as the City of Volunteers? Let's keep that admirable distinction.
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 04:12 pm |
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Bill
Don't you mean April 10 ??
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 02:58 pm |
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Thanks for the insightful reply Retired AF Pilot. I'm not sure i agree with the bias Rusty may or may not have, but SCHOA has been responding to inquiry's from Sun City residents. Many of Sun Citians came from communities where curbside recycling was a way of life.
That said, we have taken no official position on the matter. The meetings are simply fact finding efforts to see if it makes sense. As i said below, we use the Lions recycling centers on a weekly basis, and no one wants to see their revenue suffer. They do a great job. We are also aware of adding costs to seniors tight budgets is a major concern.
For anyone interested in this matter, the meeting is this afternoon (March 10) at SCHOA's offices. It is at open to the public and if you have concerns or thoughts regarding, please stop by.
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I read the article in the Independent by Rusty Bradshaw and have noticed that there seems to be a bias towards curbside pickup by Rusty and the Independent as well as the SCHOA committee on environmental issues. Some observations and some comments about the alleged need for curbside pickup:
First observation; There does not seem to be a problem in Sun City with recycling. There is not clutter, mess, or lack of program for Sun Citians to recycle. Presently there is a recycling program and there are three places that residents can take their recyclables and drop them off. I know, because I have made use of the one on Dell Web several times.
Second observation: Sun City has a program for recycling. It is voluntary and is used quite often and effectively. It costs nothing and benefits the private organizations that administer it and their charitable efforts with no additional cost or need for government infrastructure.
Third observation: There are many Sun Citians that are on fixed income, ie. Social Security exclusively and any additional costs would put their limited discretionary income in jeopardy. A government run recycling program would involve additional fees from all Sun Citians without any recourse to opting out.
Fourth observation: No where has any study been made available to prove a need for government run recycling. I do not believe one has been done. If not, why not? If not, then there can be no program until one is done that demonstrably proves a need.
Fifth observation: No change to the CCRs, which a HOA run recycling program would require, has been made justifying a recycling program. Such a change would require a majority vote of the residents of Sun City. This would involve much discussion and cost to do.
Lastly, coming up with a solution to a problem where there is none is not the way to run a community and no way for the SCHOA to work.
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What they did in New Jersey was stop picking garbage twice a week. So if your pickup was Tuesday and Friday. They picked up garbage Tuesday and recycling on Friday for the same cost. New trucks are not needed by the company because they pick up recycling in the same garbage truck after they wash it out. If they use the same system here the cost of collection will stay the same.
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Posted: Tue Apr 8th, 2008 08:30 pm |
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I always find these types of arguments interesting. Too often posters diminish their position by calling someone in favor of a position a derogatory name (ie: "tree hugger) and thereby reducing their effectiveness. It also tends to polarize people into camps suggesting there is a political leaning to the debate.
I have mixed emotions about the issue. We do bring our recyclables to the drop off points, but it does beg the question...how many do that? There are lots of reasons suggesting recycling is good for the evironment. I struggle to buy the position that we consider not recycling because "it isn't broken."
There are hundreds of thousands of links, some many with specific agenda. Here are a couple from Wikipedia that will give readers varying opinions:
Reasons to recycle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recycling
Reasons not to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recycling_criticism .
Hopefully being open minded isn't a persuassion that belongs to one political party or the other.
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You will probably have a new GARBAJE container not a bag.
I have nothing against recycling if you need a few extra bucks,but other wise put it in your garbage can.
I have lived in this valley for 70 years and Glendale ,before moving here .Glendale 's land fill has been in same place for over 30 years (Peoria also uses the landfill) it is still going strong.
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Posted: Tue Apr 8th, 2008 05:56 pm |
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| I am glad this is finally being addressed. I'm from Illinois and we were recycling in 1971. This is NOT new. What are people throwing away that they can't carry to the curb? I have very little trash, sometimes not even worth the twice a week pick-up. The majority of people go to church,doctors,grocery shopping or the post office. Taking a trash bag full of plastic, or soda cans is not heavy or difficult to do. If its too heavy put it in two bags, carry one at a time. We did incurr an increased cost when the recycling was curb collected. Trying to leave the world a better place shouldn't be a negative endeavor
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I'll agree with Bill Newton 
Most of my neighbors can not lift much, Even with the twice a month
pick up most find it hard to get everything to the curb.
Most of my neighbours know I'll run everything down for them and it gives
us a chance to chat 
Why change something thats not broken ?
I use the Lions set up behind the Old Safeway @ 107th & Peoria
I always see people there and most have commented on how
they always bring someone elses along for the reasons stated above !
"There was not a market for it (recycling) until the last few years," he said. "But people are talking about it and doing it more."
The above statement in my opinion sums it up, Now There is Money to be Made 
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When all you tree huggers ,get your recycling and garbage cans sitting all over the place .curbs ,beside houses,in yards. Higher prices on collection,I will still take my recyclables to Safeway when I go get loaf of bread ,at the neat and clean Lions club place behind the store). You could do the same if you like a clean place to live,and in ground garbage cotainers.
I really do not understand why people will move here and want to change things,when they could live in a surrounding city.
Another item that needs to be addressed is these awful looking block walls that are going up,I guess this is a Calif. thing.
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Posted: Mon Apr 7th, 2008 05:24 pm |
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By Rusty Bradshaw
Independent Newspapers
Curb-side recycling for Sun City residents may be getting closer to reality.
The Sun City Home Owners Association’s Environmental Committee will host a public meeting 1 p.m. Thursday, April 10 at the SCHOA office, 10401 W. Coggins Drive, to gague resident’s interest level in such a program. The meeting is also designed to determine what kind of program residents hope to see implemented, according to Shawn Parks, Parks and Sons manager.
"We can put a programn togather and implement it, but it may not be what residents want," Mr. Parks said. "We want to see what residents want."
Parks and Sons does have a limited recycling program in place in Sun City. The compnay picks up newspapers, junk mail and magazines twice a month, Mr. Parks explained. These materials are given to the Sun City Host Lions Club, whose members bundle and sell the recycled trash to fund its community service activities.
"Another reason we don’t want to just put a program together without resident input is we don’t want to put the Lions Club ‘out of business,’" Mr. Parks said.
The Lions have three recycling stations — 107th and Peoria avenues, 99th Avenue and Greenway Road and 107th Avenue and Bell Road — and take all materials except plastic and tin, according to Paul Yopps, Lions member and recycling coordinator. While the club does not take tin, it does recycle aluminum cans, he added.
Residents are eager to see an expanded Sun City recycling program.
"That is one of the few things I miss from living in Phoenix; I would recycle plastic, aluminum, glass, phone books — everything possible," said Sun City resident Claudia Cooley. "It’s inconvenient for many residents to have to transport their recyclable items to a recycling center or bin and so many things are thrown into the trash that should be recycled."
Items that seem to need collection are plastic bottles, paint cans, oil cans, batteries, tires and food cans, according to Sun City resident Anne Randall Stewart.
"We have curbside collection for newspapers; why not combine that with the others?" she asked.
Mr. Parks said his company has worked witht he Lions Club on the paper recycling program since the early 1990s, but only collected what club members could handle. However, recent talks with Lions officials indicate they are able to take more items, Mr. Parks explained.
"There was not a market for it (recycling) until the last few years," he said. "But people are talking about it and doing it more."
Sun City resident Ethel Sanders is hopeful a curbside program will help resident avoid the inconvenience as well as cost of taking material to landfills.
"Landfills are costly and not going to get any cheaper," she said. "And more land will be needed and no one wants a landfill anywhere near them."
She suggested providing a financial incentive — such as a refund for bottles and other items — might make people more willing to recycle their trash.
Mr. Parks said any curbside program conducted by his company would need to gain a variance from Maricopa County, which requires private trash haulers to pickup at least twice a week while municipal haulers can pick up only once a week. Much of Parks and Sons trash collection is in unincorporated areas of the county, he added.
Sun City resident Paul Santoro supports a recycling effort, but is concerned there may not be funds available to pay for it.
"To have it done corrrectly requires an outlay of funds that are not available to the community," Mr. Santoro said.
Sun City resident Audrey Coulter, while in favor of curbside recycling, is concerned about what a the program would cost individual homeonwers, as well as other extra costs.
"First the energy (electricity and water) used to clean jars and cans, etc., and the special garbage cans we would have to purchase to separate these items," Ms. Coulter said. "Of course, Parks and Sons would need to purchase a special truck to pick up the recyclables and as always these costs would be passed on to the customer."
Parks and Sons officials are trying to put together an effective program that would not be a financial burden on Sun City residents, Mr. Parks said.
"We will do all we can to create a more robust program without raising rates," he said.
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