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Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 06:01 pm |
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wgeorge
Why would you have to "assume" the contents of the Sun City CC&Rs ?
All you have to do is visit their office or their website, and you can get your very own personal copy to read and understand.
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Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 12:47 pm |
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Since the "memorial" has reappeared, I can only assume the the CC&R's of Sun City do not prohibit mock graves on private property in view of traffic. Seems strange to me?
I'm as patriotic as the next rational person, but I would suggest that the gentlemen would better serve the memory of our military's service by posting a small tasteful plaque commemorating their service and sacrifice with a daily total of the number of military killed and wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan and eliminating the mock graves. I personally think this would be much more appropriate and would not make non-resident think that we bury our dead at the side of the road.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 12:52 am |
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Hey SH, your second post came through as i was posting a response. I had asked two weeks ago and knew Gene was the compliance officer involved (though i was told there were others and there weren't). What is still a mystery is who told Gene to go talk to Mr. Carter, or if he did it of his own volition.
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Bill Pearson
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 12:36 am |
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I haven't talked to Mr. Carter, but one of these days i'll stop by. Just got out of the hospital after getting yet another new body part so i have been slow moving. We think we know who paid him a call, we just haven't heard why he did so.
What is so frustrating is just 6 months ago SCHOA was at one of its highest points in our history. Of late, acts like this and a couple of others have created a public relations nightmare for our organization. Stay tuned, we think we are close to getting back on course and in sync with residents expectations.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 12:10 am |
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On my previous post I meant to say stop looking.
I guess I'm getting as bad as Spy Hunter.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 12:08 am |
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You can some looking for your culprit. He has been identified on the front page of today's Daily News-Sun.
How can the local newspaper have this information and you don't ???
You guys on the SCHOA board are obviously way more dysfunctional than even I thought you were !
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 11:28 pm |
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Have you tried asking Mr Carter who visited him from SCHOA ?
He must have gotten something in writing. I can't imagine that he went to all the trouble and expense of planning and erecting his memorial, and then removed it just because somebody knocked on his door and said they were from SCHOA and had received two complaints.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 10:56 pm |
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Just for the record, the SCHOA board of directors never dealt with this matter. Had we, there would never have been any action taken by the Sun City Home Owners Association. We are in the process of trying to identify who from SCHOA visited Mr. Carter and why.
One of the beauties of living in Sun City is the simplicity of the CC&R's and how we can apply them. Compliance does matter, but so does learning to live and work with residents in a way that is not toxic. There was no violation of the CC&R's, so why we were involved is a giant question mark and one we will get answered.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 06:58 pm |
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The new memorial is up and it looks much better than the original one that looked like a pet cemetary. A very nice tribute to those that serve and have served our country. Not commercial, cluttered or distracting.
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Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2008 06:27 am |
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Maybe I should put a memorial on the Homeasses Assotiatons Golf Course.
Dont put it past me.. Always Question authority..I live 4 it.
They lost a lawsuit 2 take our flags down in San Jose after 9/11, and 2 pull my Christmas tree down off my roof.I offered 2 give them the ladder 2 watch some idiot go get my tree. ( They were 2 dumb 2 know I was a renter!! ) I even had my camcorder ready.Like the ACLU, they have 2 much power, and 2 stuipid 2 use it wisely.
Army. We will live forever.. Carter, KICK ASS!!
I drove by, and saw the look on his face, digging it up.
I will never forget it. Ever........
Hankster, Sun Shitty.
When is carter going to file?? Can u say lawsuit?
I will take a pic of his Memorial, and plaster it all over the net, saying its FROM the Homeasses assotiaton, and change my IP address. They will never figure it out. Communications, Fort Dix..
Attachment: prod_746_20821.jpg (Downloaded 58 times) Last edited on Wed Apr 30th, 2008 06:31 am by Hankster
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Posted: Mon Apr 28th, 2008 05:45 pm |
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| Not only do I think Mr. Carter should put the Memorial back, I think he should put the symbol of each of the 4 Services in the center of the crosses.
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Posted: Sun Apr 27th, 2008 07:40 pm |
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The War is still going on. This is why the memorial should remain in place.
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Posted: Sun Apr 27th, 2008 12:11 pm |
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"No one says anything about the roadside memorials people have set up for their loved ones. Sometimes those stay up for a very long period of time, yet no one has EVER complained of those."
This is my point exactly......In many jurisdictions, there IS a limit as to how long you can have those roadside memorials on display. I believe there is a one year limit and that's about how long this one has been up. It would be easy to check this out.
I'm not sure the American flag was being displayed properly. It also became a bit commercial when that black and yellow banner was added to the display.
Edited to add an interesting news article. The one exception being that the Sun City display is probably entirely on private property...: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/1006memorials1006.html
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Posted: Sun Apr 27th, 2008 04:19 am |
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Yes I would support Mr. Carter. I seriously doubt that because of 2 complaints that the SCHOA would take him to court over something that did not violate the CCR's. Anyone who was against this display in my eyes is "UNAMERICAN". If a persons wishes to display something memorial for OUR TROOPS why can't they? No one says anything about the roadside memorials people have set up for their loved ones. Sometimes those stay up for a very long period of time, yet no one has EVER complained of those.
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Posted: Sun Apr 27th, 2008 03:36 am |
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YES I WOULD HELP HIM AS BEST I CAN WITH MONEY AND EVEN SOME LABOR TO HELP REDO THE MEMORIAL. I DON'T THINK HE SHOULD HAVE TO DEFEND HIM SELF FROM SELF APPOINTED ASSASSINS.
THE SPY HUNTER
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Posted: Sat Apr 26th, 2008 10:15 pm |
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yes. I would support him financially.
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Posted: Sat Apr 26th, 2008 07:51 pm |
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To all those in support of having Mr Carter replace his memorial:
Are you willing to support him financially if he rebuilds, and the giant egos in charge of the SCHOA decide to take him to court ?
I know that he was not in violation of any of the CC&R's, but he would still need to defend himself, and that costs money.
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Posted: Fri Apr 25th, 2008 09:53 pm |
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I'm writing about the memorial to our troops that was removed at Del Webb and White Mountain Rd. I stopped at Mr. Carter's home to let him know I appreciated his memorial to our people who have lost their lives in defending our country. It is a mystery to me what the complainer meant, as reported in the Independent, by " it (the memorial) was some kind of ethnic deal." What is wrong with honoring our war dead?
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 07:29 pm |
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 I am sorry that Mr. Carter removed the memorial because he didn't want the pressure from the board, but perhaps if he felt the support of the rest of the community,his decision might have been to keep it up. Since it did not violate any of the CC&R's there was no legal reason to remove it. Many of us including myself were very moved by the rememberance. It always seems to amaze me how the wishes of a few always seem to rule the majority while the majority just sit back and complain. As for me I am voicing my opinion....I would like to see the rememberance back.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 05:32 am |
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I want to thank Mr. Carter for his Memorial to American Soldiers. Too bad he took it down because some sick people complained about it. It was not an eyesore and I was always very proud and pleased to see it everyday as I drove by it. I spent 44 yrs in the Air Force and I cannot believe I live with people who cannot appreciate and recognize those who have fallen. Over 4,000 Soldiers have died in the Iraq War. It is because of those who have fallen that you are able to live here and all over the country. Maybe those of you who complain about those who honor the fallen have some sort of guilt complex in one way or another. Take another route and let those of us who appreciate the efforts do so. Again, thank you Mr. Carter. I am very proud to have you as a neighbor.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 09:51 pm |
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| It now becomes obvious what "personal reasons" caused the entire paid staff of the SCHOA ( 7 people) to quit at the same time this board came into power.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 08:39 pm |
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Bill - Thank you for your dedication and perserverance. I'm sure it would have been much easier to quit.
I agree with you that the memorial display isn't something I'd personally do but wouldn't file a complaint about it. It's a bit of a sensitive issue. At first I thought it was some type of pet cemetary as I know there was no tragic traffic accident that killed 4 people at that site. It did get a bit cluttered and may have caused a bit of a traffic hazard if people slowed or swerved over to try to figure out what it was.
Maybe one of the Rec Centers would let him erect a display on the grounds? If not, he had it up for a year and got his point across to those that regularly travelled that road.
Hang in there and let's hope the SCHOA can chill out over the summer.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 08:25 pm |
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Let me say a few things regarding this matter. I have not hid the fact i am a director at SCHOA and feel it is important to disclose that fact now. I know there have been complaints about the Memorial and i suspect there are those that loved it and those that hated it. I personally didn't care for the display, but that's only because i try not to engage in public displays such as this.
That said, i was dumbfounded when i read the article in the Independent. I have told any number of people the display was not a violation of the CC&R's. We have had NO internal discussions regarding this matter as a board of directors. That decision and subsequent request to take it down came from either the staff, the Executive Director or the President.
It should come as no surprise to those of you following the newspapers in Sun City, there is a bitter fued and ugly battle going at SCHOA. Last year as we were rebuilding we found a handfull of people pushing an overly aggressive agenda of enforcement.
In an effort to stop the stupidity we looked at clarifying the clarifications and better define some of the updating people were doing by stating it was just fine. Unfortunately there was a change in leadership and they took the clarifications and tried to shape them to fit their aggressive behavior.
Two of the directors that supported them left, due in part to the changes we were being asked to approve. Five of us talked about quiting but we knew Sun Citians would hate what these guys were trying to do. We decided to stay and stop them.
The problem is the president (Tomich) and the minority of remaining directors can't handle defeat, or the fact they can't just dictate what will be. In the coming weeks, you will see it has become personal. They want to win and they have decided they will do so at any and all costs.
Sun City deserves better. SCHOA has existed for near on 50 years and they have done so by working with Sun City residents; not pounding them into the ground. Yes, on occassion we have taken on residents and made them comply legally; but that has only happened when they flat out refused to follow the CC&R's.
My apologies to Mr. Carter. While i was not a fan of the memorial, it was your right to show your support for the troops. Hopefully we will someday return to a more peaceful coexistence, but for now it looks like it will be a long hot summer at SCHOA.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 06:39 pm |
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I'am very very mad that some unamericans can have a Memorial taken down that shows support to our troupe's and Honor those who have given their lives to protect the freedom we enjoy.You unamericans should move to Cuba or China and see what its like living without those freedoms. I'am a veteran and was wounded L have 2 sons in the service both have served in Iraq. the youngest has been there twice and was also wounded the second time. They both have made a career in the service. MR. CARTER put it back up I seen it every day because I only live down the road in SUN CITY and it gave meaning to serving my country
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I too am very disapointed that the memorial was taken down. Just because one or two people didn't like it, is not reason enough to take down something that most of us residents not only like, but approve of.
Since when does the opinion of one rule over the opinion of most?
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| What a wonderful Memorial they put up. Not enough of us show our Military how thankful we are for the freedom they have won for all of us. This is a free country at lease it use to be how dare someone has the nerve to say you don't like the way it looks. Sit down and think, What did this Memorial say about how most American's feel. Shame Shame on the Two of you. This is from a family of Military people. And yes we live in Sun City.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 04:58 pm |
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I live off Del Webb near the memorial and thought it was very nice. I can't imagine anyone complaining about it. I noticed it had been removed and figured some grumpy person complained about it. I thought it showed great honor to our troops. I hope that Mr. Carter will put the memorial up again. I have a nephew in Iraq and appriciated Mr. Carters support for all our troups. I never stoped by to tell him how much I liked his memorial, I wish I had. Maybe more positive comments would have kept the memorial in place. Thank you, Mr. Carter for showing with your memorial how all American should feel about our troups.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 04:40 am |
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I read today that Mr. Carter, who had a memorial to our American military services erected on the corner of his property, was persuaded by the SCHOA to take it down following two complaints. I had the pleasure of seeing the memorial and thought it very respectful, tactful, and quite inspiring.
Mr. Carter, please forgive those Americans who do not respect their country and those who are willing to fight and die to defend it. They will come around when the chips are down, but by then it will be too late.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 03:31 am |
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I opened up the Independent today to find that a retired firefighter took the time an care to display a memorial to our (American) soldiers. only to find that the reason for the article was a complaint for the display. First off THIS IS AMERICA! and by Mr. Carter displaying his memorial is 100% AMERICAN. If someone doesn't like it DON'T LOOK. I am so extremely tired of people saying this or that isn't polically correct. If you don't like it MOVE to another country. Why is it Mr. Carter that when someone complains we comply and take it down? I say put it back up and to heck with them.
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