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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 12:14 am |
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Mr. Newton,
I only know what I see and read and what the Judge said about Ms. Baker's and Mssrs Tomich's and Ball's unconscionable attempt to get Mr. Bourne to resign with a signed offer from Ms. Baker in which she said she would drop the injunction for harassment if Mr. Bourne resigned immediately from the SCHOA Board. That smells worse than a week dead mackerel laying on the shore in the moonlight. It smells of conspiracy. Or do you know something that would justify their questionable actions?
Why did Mssrs Tomich, Ball, Manville, and Beeson resigned the next day after the Judge ruled in Mr. Bourne's favor at the May 8, 2008 SCHOA board meeting when it was moved to discuss the May 7 dismissal by Judge Handley? Might it be that they knew they were in trouble?
I would like to see the Judge's ruling in its entirety. It is a matter of public record. I would like to know what the Judge thought of the legality of the attempt by Tomich and Ball to get Bourne to resign with Ms. Baker's letter.
This is just as smelly as the Governor's attempt to put Sheriff Joe out of commission.
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 10:48 pm |
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| you do not know these guys like i do >>.except for walt they all smell pretty bad
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 06:45 pm |
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What does my earlier post mean? It means that the SCHOA Board of Directors now has a chance to move forward as it did one year ago under Ben Roloff's admirable leadership. Walt Patterson has a chance to restore the faith and trust that the board enjoyed when I first arrived here. Jan 2007 was the high water for the Board.
Mr. Bourne has had his honor restored and reputation cleared by Judge Handley. The members of the board who attempted to get him to resign have resigned with two others and two paid workers of the SCHOA staff. This sordid affair is behind us. We can move forward.
If any of you wish to have any say in Sun City affairs, now is your chance because there are 4 director's positions open and you can step up to the plate.
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 06:32 pm |
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I believe all of you need to read this:
"Board members quit SCHOA
Defections include
paid office staff
By Rusty Bradshaw
Independent Newspapers
The Sun City Home Owners Association lost four board members and at least two staff members following the denial of an injunction.
Board members Tom Beeson, Stuart Manville and Jim Ball and Board President Bob Tomich tendered their resignations May 8 following a board meeting to discuss Executive Director Shirley Baker. She had filed an injunction against harassment against Gary Bourne, another SCHOA board member, but the request was denied May 7 in a Maricopa County Justice Court hearing (see story on page 3).
“When this (injunction request) came up, all I saw were problems,” Mr. Tomich said.
Ms. Baker requested some time off for medical reasons, but Walt Patterson, SCHOA board member, is not sure that is allowed with small organizations such as SCHOA.
“I don’t know what her status is,” Mr. Patterson said. “That was turned over to our legal staff.”
Remaining board members will ask residents to step forward to fill the vacant positions, Mr. Patterson said. Those interested are asked to send a letter of interest, including their qualifications, to the SCHOA office, 10401 W. Coggins Drive, Sun City, AZ 85351. No deadline had been set for applications.
“I don’t know that we’ll get anything done this month,” Mr. Patterson said. “This being the time when people are leaving, it will be difficult.”
Mr. Ball said he left the board because of frustration with the process since the beginning of the year.
Mr. Manville said the board was not only divided on issues but majority members were divisive in their actions.
“We have a couple of screamers on there and the former president (Ben Roloff) did something that disgusted me by taking over the agenda,” he said.
Mr. Beeson said the remaining board members asked him to stay on to help with the compliance committee and compliance issues.
“But after thinking about it overnight, I decided it would not be in the best interest of the current board,” Mr. Beeson said.
He believes everyone on the board, including those remaining and those who resigned, wanted the best for Sun City.
“I think we all believe Sun City is in the midst of change, but we had differences on how to get there,” he said.
In addition to the four board members, Mr. Tomich said two staff members tendered their resignations, although he did not name them. He also said there could be more resignations.
A former SCHOA employee before becoming a board member almost two years ago, Mr. Tomich said Mr. Roloff controls board votes and prevented him from getting anything accomplished.
“I just decided I did not want to sit there and watch him control everything,” Mr. Tomish said.
Mr. Roloff had no comment regarding accusations he controlled the board. However, he was confident the organization’s problems will be ironed out soon.
“It’s a little bumpy right now, but we’ll get it fixed,” he said.
The SCHOA board will continue to operate because as an 11-member body, the remaining seven members constitute a quorum, according to Mr. Roloff. He also believes it will not be long before the board is back to full capacity.
However, Mr. Tomich cautioned anyone interested in serving on the board to find out what a director’s role consists of.
“Some people get to be directors and they don’t know what a director’s role really is,” he said. “It is not to be a two-bit dictator.”"
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 06:14 pm |
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| We ALL KNOW THAT SCHOA IS HAVING THEIR PROBLEMS>> THEY WILL CONTIUE AS LONG AS 3 PEOPLE ARE ON THE BOARD.. TO WHOM EVER IT CONCERNS IF YOU WANT TO SEE A SHED? THAT IS A MONSTROSITY GO BY 10621 W. BOSWELL BLVD<THING HASS A CLOTHE ROOF>,.<>DANGEROUS TO SAY THE LEAST
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 12:03 pm |
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| SCHOA paid staff are accountable to the Executive Director, who reports to the president of the board.
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 08:42 am |
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Well you talked me into it Bill but it could get nasty before its over. I will speak my peace and not spare anyone Poor English or not.
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 12:52 am |
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| hey spy hunter --stay on are they will thank they have won
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 12:51 am |
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| i understand they (both partys)will get their day in court tomorrow wedsday__--of coarse knowing Gary as i do he might as well kiss his behind goodbye
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 12:51 am |
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Why would you leave spy hunter? Discussion never seriously hurt anyone. As much as it may sting at times, surely we all have something to learn from one another.
Why did a staff member have file a restraining order against a board member
The validity of the claim is yet to be determined. Filing an injunction doesn't prove any wrong doing. The claim could be valid or it could be entirely vexatious.
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 12:13 am |
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Well you must have been an English teacher. As for me i only have a high school diploma so make mistakes that you highly educated people don't. It seems you and tribal counsel have made judgment on me so I'll make you happy by not replying to any of your future posts. I have some names so I'll recognize them and try not to interfere with your propaganda. I have also decided to not join SCHOA and encourage others to do like wise that should make you even happier. good bye
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 09:40 pm |
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Why would I be happy now ??
What has changed ?
How about a little advice ? The next time you type a message, have someone else in your house read it before you send it. If it doesn't make any sense to them, it probably won't make any sense to any of us either.
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 09:22 pm |
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Hope you are happy now but I don't think you will be because I think you are and so is edgecaster SCHOA board members. That is an opnion.
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 08:06 pm |
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| Could you please rephrase that in English ?
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 08:05 pm |
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Why did a staff member have file a restraining order against a board member who seems out of control and should be dismissed or at least suspended until things get work out legally. Maybe I should have said point of view. which is clearer.meaning its a consideration or evaluated. opinion or point dose not matter the fact is the board is inapt unit.
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 06:59 pm |
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SPY HUNTER wrote: My point was a chosen few have appointed them selfs as the bosses because of their ego. They try and bully others into supporting their personal agenda's no matter what the cost.
THE SPY HUNTER
That doesn't exactly qualify as a "point' spyH. It fits more in the "opinion" category but let's not be too hasty, you may still have a shot here. What are you using to support your allegation(s)? Bill Newton's "opinion" - and other such hearsay of course - notwithstanding.
Perhaps someone should clarify to whom the paid schoa staff are accountable to.
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 05:41 pm |
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My point was a chosen few have appointed them selfs as the bosses because of their ego. They try and bully others into supporting their personal agenda's no matter what the cost.
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 03:34 pm |
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SPY HUNTER wrote: Thanks Bill proved my point
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Amazing spy hunter, just because you say it, that doesn't make it so. I must ask; what "point" and what proof do you think there is to support it?
Before embarking on the long journey to find your "point", please remember that "points" made must have a factual basis or otherwise it's merely an opinion. And then remembering that it's logically impossible to either prove or disprove opinion.
It's important here, I think, to remember that Arm Chairs didn't just happen for no good reason. Quite obviously they're god's gift to our communities and ultimately provide a valuable service. We should be eternally grateful. Just think about the countless number of idle critics they've detained.
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Posted: Sun May 4th, 2008 09:45 pm |
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Thanks Bill proved my point
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Posted: Sun May 4th, 2008 09:38 pm |
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| Number one Board members are not th bosses of PAID employees of SCHOA ,although some thank they are ,and will soon find this out (hopefully)in court
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Posted: Sun May 4th, 2008 07:10 pm |
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Sorry I don't measure up to every ones standers. I have read some of your qulaifcations to run for boards and it seems you want people with upper management skills and not people who may have some common sense and can work things out. When you have more bosses and not enough common people you get the big egos that get nothing done and that seems to be the case here. When you have to tell people you are in charge then you are not a very good leader because people know who is the boss already and don't need to be told you are the boss that is sign to me of a big ego.
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Posted: Sun May 4th, 2008 03:21 pm |
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Please don't let what you read here on the Forum be the determining factor as to whether or not you choose to support the SCHOA.
The SCHOA is a necessary organization and is vital to the preservation of our quality of life and the maintenance of property values here in our chosen home.
Unfortunately, the current board of directors has been taken over by 3 or 4 giant egos. Each of them has his own agenda, and none of them seems to want to compromise to achieve what is best for all of Sun City.
The SCHOA needs all of our support, now more than ever. At some point in the not too distant future these people will be gone, and the SCHOA will be able to get back to the business of maintaining the community we all came here to enjoy.
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Posted: Sun May 4th, 2008 01:51 pm |
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sorry spy hunter but it could well be argued you weren't "thinking" all these years after all. I think traditional logic goes that if those who have all the answers and choose rather to sit back, contribute nothing and simply complain, that makes them part of (if not all) the problem. If you have the solutions then for gawds sake step up man!
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Posted: Sat May 3rd, 2008 11:30 pm |
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I been here for just over a year. No I thought of joining before but I looked in the forum and an decide to see what was going on.
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Posted: Sat May 3rd, 2008 10:26 pm |
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How long have you lived in Sun City ?
You are just now thinking about joining SCHOA ??
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Posted: Sat May 3rd, 2008 07:32 pm |
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I was thinking about joining SHOA but they can't get organized or productive as it stands. What I think should be done is dissolve the board and get some people who are willing to take action on the issues at hand. It seem they always set the main issues aside and nothing gets done except what a chosen few want for their own good.In the mean time the whole community suffers from the lack of action.
PS. I will hold off on joining in till I see some kind of progress and organization.
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Posted: Fri May 2nd, 2008 09:30 pm |
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| the only one i see that is worth voting for would be Walt and I have my doughts about him>......>>>>but really since ben got the vote to change the election from the RCsc election that is at SHOA offices i don't thank you need worry all of them will be there for many years i am afraid>><><> most people will not even know where the offices of SHOA are located
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 03:21 pm |
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| Maude, you are not really a nice old lady that knows these 5 bad Board members of SCHOA.
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 03:44 am |
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I've known these 5 boys since they were just knee high to grasshoppers and they are all truly wonderful young men. Hopefully they will consider running again when their term is up at the end of the year and continue to keep Sun City free from zealots and power hungry mad dogs.
Thanks for letting this little old lady speak her piece and have a nice day. The Lord be with you all. Amen.
PS. I'm really 107 years old and not related to any of the potential candidates.
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Posted: Mon Apr 28th, 2008 10:45 pm |
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| As stated in another topic the other day, 5 Sun City Homeowners Association Board members' terms will expire this year. Some of those are Walt Patterson, Bill Pearson, Gary Bourne and Ben Roloff. Sun City, you have a choice to not re-elect these Board members because of their refusal to vote on many important items for the betterment of Sun City. We need Board members that care about Sun City not their own agenda.
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