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Posted: Thu Jul 16th, 2009 04:46 pm |
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Eat Sushi!
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Posted: Thu Jul 16th, 2009 01:51 pm |
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AH-SHU on you SCW ,,,,oh did i just say that.
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Posted: Thu Jul 16th, 2009 04:22 am |
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That did not address Jussy's comment. I am referencing elected individuals Congress or the RCSC.
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Posted: Thu Jul 16th, 2009 03:31 am |
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| When is the last time that congress voted to do anything in your behalf?
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Posted: Wed Jul 15th, 2009 06:19 am |
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Do you think Congress works that way? You elect a member and that individual votes in your behalf. Do you understand?
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Posted: Wed Jul 15th, 2009 03:03 am |
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| yes govern but not institute policies without the majority vote of the people. That is what is wrong with this governing body and any governing body, pass what they think is right and screw the rest and their opinions,
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 10:12 pm |
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Isn't that what they are bound to do? The Board has the given responsibility to govern the Corporation as in any other corporation.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 10:03 am |
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My apologies to RetSgt, Mr. Bill, and of course Mr. Johnson. Quite possibly my selection of the word "flunkies" was incorrect for it's intended use. I merely was trying to stress the point that the majority of positions associated with RCSC are in fact paid positions and the individuals involved will pretty much follow suit with policy directed by the board. Again, sorry for my poor choice in words. Last edited on Fri Jun 26th, 2009 10:03 am by Scroggy
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 04:13 pm |
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What is the old saying, You can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time.
That is certainly the case in Sun City!
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 03:48 pm |
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Yes, it takes alot of statesmanship, stamina and diplomacy to operate the RCSC whether you're paid or unpaid.
There is a reason there are many board members and some can't accept following the rules. I know I'd have a hard time.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 07:12 am |
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| It sure seems that there is quite a lot of politics involved in the operation of Recreation Centers of Sun City, or am I not getting the big picture?
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 06:39 pm |
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I agree with RetSgt that Randy is doing a fine job and I also agree with 2JPs that bowling is subsidizing other groups. What the RCSC needs to realize is that if they don’t improve the two bowling centers then they will kill the goose that is laying the golden (profit) egg. It appears that the only way to accomplish that is for the bowlers to run their own candidates in the next board election. It’s sad that groups have to pit themselves against each other in order to get equal treatment, but the board has brought this about by favoring some groups over others.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 05:58 am |
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Hats to all that volunteer to Sun City associations! Sun City needs people who care!
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 03:42 am |
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I 100% agree with RetSgt; Randy Johnson appears to be an excellent addition to the Sun City staff. I am working with him for the 50th anniversary and he showed lots of initiative and interest in showcasing 10 pin bowling as a part of the festivities.
One of my problems with Scroggy is he seems to lash out at people because they are part of the system. That is troubling because most of the folks working for the RCSC are pretty good people. No one working for the RCSC is getting rich and they have to feel they are under attack when all they are trying to do is their jobs.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 11:30 pm |
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I don’t usually respond to other’s comments, but when Scroggy made a derogatory comment about Randy Johnson, bowling manager, being a flunkie, that is without foundation and false. Randy is one of the easiest persons(perhaps too easy) that I have worked with at RCSC. He has a solid grasp of the bowling operation and is a good supervisor. Remember Scroggy, bowling is the only activity that operates in the black.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 10:07 pm |
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I know we disagree on this point, but we do agree on the fact that we should all share the costs. I'm just of the opinion that there should be a base fee for everyone and a usage fee for those that get the most benefit.
We bowl, golf, use the fitness centers, mini golf and others facilities on occasion. Just to make a point, bowling had a $20,000 profit but the funds go back into the general fund. The cooler being replaced at Bell Center is used as the reason for no other improvements to our bowling equipment. The cooler benefits the pool table area, shuffleboard and restaurant.....not just the bowling area.
Once the rec cards can be scanned it would be simple keep track of usage.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 09:47 pm |
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Hate to say this 2JP's, but i couldn't disagree more on the pay to play theory you are raising. Interestingly enough this fight has been on the table before and has always been soundly defeated.
The whole point of Sun City was that it was if you lived here you paid your share of the costs. I know bowlers and golfers complain but those two sports were built on the premise the players would pay for it.
The minute we start monkeying around with how the assessment is done, you will see those who never use the amenities screaming they shouldn't pay anything. At least now when people buy into Sun City they buy into a concept that is as clear as can be...if you live here you pay your fair share.
While there are those who don't like it, the simplest solution is they buy into a lifestyle where they don't have to pay for the amenities. Of course they'll pay higher taxes and not have the quality of life we have here, but everything comes at a cost.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 04:40 pm |
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I am hoping that RCSC gets all centers upgraded so that it will allow scanning of rec cards before using the facilities. We need an accurate count of usage and adjust the way the costs are assessed.
My wish for the future would be that the annual lot assessment would be reduced somewhat while assessing a per use fee. I did an estimate of our usage and it came to about an additional $50 a year at 10 cents per usage. I do think that those that are unable to use any of the facilities should still pay a basic amount but the users should pay a bit more.
Golfers and bowlers have been using this system for a long time. Pool players, shuffleboarders, lawn bowlers, swimmers, people that use the fitness centers....etc. should pay a bit more because they are the ones enjoying the benefits while there are many that are physically unable to use the facilities. I realize this is a simple plan but it may just help those that need it.
Maybe someone can answer this question?? Are people that have bought condos or units in places like Royal Oaks, El Dorado or Heritage Palmeras assessed a mandatory annual fee? Or is it optional?
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Posted: Wed Jun 17th, 2009 05:38 pm |
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Ditto!
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Posted: Wed Jun 17th, 2009 05:16 pm |
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Posted: Wed Jun 17th, 2009 03:53 pm |
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I do see the chip! It is not hidden.
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Posted: Wed Jun 17th, 2009 03:47 pm |
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Once again I made a simple statement and once again someone has taken it and blown it completely out of proportion. I really don't have a "chip on my shoulder," I just don't like being forced to pay and pay and pay for someone else's extravagant spending practices or lack of financial proficiency. Nor do I appreciate being threatened by a recreational facility, which believes itself to be the governing body of the Sun City community.
As far as SCHOA is concerned, I feel they are doing a great job with the minimal assets they have. I would much rather see some of the money RCSC collects go to SCHOA. At least then everyone in Sun City would benefit, not just the golfers, bowlers, or limited population that visit the recreational centers. Truth be known, there are more Sun Citians that do not use the facilities, than do! Don't believe me, check it out (especially during the summer months).
If you are an individual who thinks you are getting a great deal from RCSC, then that is your business. I for one think the money could be more wisely spent. By the way, I keep hearing about the volunteers at RCSC. Truth be know, the majority of positions at RCSC are in fact PAID positions. Jan Ek, Jim Wellman, John Snyder, Marion Krell, Randy Johnson, just to mention, are a few of the higher paid RCSC flunkies. Don't believe me, check it out! I have no reason to lie or extort the truth. It is all right there in front of you, just take the time to look.
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Posted: Tue Jun 16th, 2009 02:25 pm |
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Scrog, you very welcome!
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Posted: Tue Jun 16th, 2009 05:04 am |
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| SCW - Thank you for proving my point!
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Posted: Mon Jun 15th, 2009 02:15 pm |
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And I do not care for yours! Why are you constantly trying to belittle a Board of Volunteers at the RCSC? I do have a problem with someone who always seems to have a chip on their shoulder. In your case it is with either the RCSC or SCHOA. As far as being "cantankerous", you had better look in the mirror or read some of you postings before you refer to me.
This still is a free country is it not?
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Posted: Mon Jun 15th, 2009 11:14 am |
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SCW - I really don't care for your attitude. Each and every person here has the right to voice their opinion; however, you believe this to be a form of "crying." People such as yourself remind me of the proverbial little old biddy in the hen house that doesn't get along with anyone who doesn't see everything her way.
I would say to you, that if you can't be civil to others - then don't bother bolstering your opinion. I don't think anyone here really cares what someone such as yourself thinks! It is people like you that give senior citizens a bad reputation for being cantankerous.
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Posted: Sun Jun 14th, 2009 05:44 pm |
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I agree that Jan and the board are doing a good job of managing assets and fees.
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Posted: Sun Jun 14th, 2009 04:24 am |
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I for one , believe she is doing a great job. Do you think you could do better? Put in your resume and see if you qualify! I would guess not.
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Posted: Sun Jun 14th, 2009 03:43 am |
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Scroggy, you have to keep Jan Ecks pay up to snuff now didn't you know that, when you signed on the dotted line, or was that the BYLAWS that you didn't see because as she states she doesn't have to give them out to new owners ....
Hopefully as SCW says nothing stays forever and hopefully she wont be here either LOL.
OUCH
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Posted: Sun Jun 14th, 2009 03:27 am |
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| SCW-You are correct - I did sign on the dotted line, but then again nothing was stated that the RCSC fees would increase each and every year thereafter. Sorry this seems to have hit a nerve on your behalf, as you say "nothing stays the same forever."
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Posted: Sun Jun 14th, 2009 12:33 am |
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Please stop crying over something you agreed to when you signed on the dotted line! Nothing stays the same forever. Just look at the price of a stamp or the gas pump!
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Posted: Sat Jun 13th, 2009 10:46 pm |
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It may be set like SCHOA, if a family can't pay the assessment, then RCSC can go to court for a judgment then file which they file with the county so it becomes a lien against the property. That lien will be collected from the proceeds of the property when it's sold or transferred.
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Posted: Sat Jun 13th, 2009 04:46 pm |
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| Scroggy, is this for real or just a rumor, with the settlement check in hand i wouldnt think there would be a need for an increase.
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Posted: Sat Jun 13th, 2009 03:11 pm |
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"I can't afford the yearly fee increases and I can't afford to move" Last edited on Sat Jun 13th, 2009 03:13 pm by Scroggy
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