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Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 12:41 am |
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Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 12:29 am |
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Lock your doors, close your drapes and hide from the real world.
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 11:53 pm |
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This is to spider.
You are quick to say what is too much or too little, but when you are confronted with justifying your position you hide behind false accusations. Your problem is you have not put any logical thought into your spouting off only emotion. That is why I hope and pray you do not run for the board, only keep complaining ineffectually on this pipsqueak of a forum that very few read.
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 05:23 pm |
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My facilities agreement stated when I moved here
Requires at least one occupant of a residence to be 55 years of age or older. That at least one membr of the household be at least 55 years of age, and that each owner would agree to pay an annual assessment to defray the expenses.
They need to go back to taking out spoucel wording as not all people are married, or they are just friends buying a house together.
So hopefully new people in the years ahead will change it back to the wording it once had. As it is discriminating to all those that are not married.
I am sorry those that bought later were discriminated on. We do have a new generation moving in and hopfully our generation will see that this is wrong.
I understand that to know what income to budget for that each household should pay the same fee. But to go back to having at least one person in the household 55 and the other person is ok at least if they are over the age of 19. If they are on the deed they have the right to be counted and get a rec card.
Hang in there and we just need to get good people on our board that will change it back. We have a great community so hang in there and get involved yourself when you are 55 to get on the board.
I don't think it was the boomers that changed this but we can change it back eventually. It is not fair if you are an owner and have someone that is 55 years of age in your household that you cannot get a rec card. It needs to be changed.
I am sure the olderfolks writing in have not thought this through and hopefully they will realize how it was before was a better way and fairer way to do things.
So lets get board members on the board and before we vote for them ask them about the unfairness of what was changed. All of us. Those of you writing in ask yourself what is really fair and lets vote in those that realize the unfairness of the changes. Ask yourself how you would feel if it was you and you had at lease one person in your household that was 55 and you were denied a rec card when you owned your own home in sun city.
Life is to short to not just enjoy life. Lets make Sun City the best place we can and try and all get along.
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 03:44 pm |
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Ret. AF Pilot,
I am not volunteering anything, nor am I a doormat for you to walk on with your snotty attitude. Just asked a simple question and as usual had to run into a smart-a**.
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 02:51 pm |
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Consider a senior single YMCA membership here in Tampa costs $40 a month - $480 a year, to use a full exercise room, an outdoor pool, a basketball court(filled with children in the summer for camp) and the showers. I think the Sun Cities still have a god deal.
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 02:17 pm |
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And are you volunteering to be the judge and jury to decide what is too many?
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 09:20 am |
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| Yes we do have some great amenities in Sun City, but does anyone ever give thought to having too many?
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 01:10 am |
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No argument there.
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 12:50 am |
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You get what you pay for and what we have are a great set of rec centers and amenities here in Sun City.
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 12:36 am |
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Assessment, fee, tax, what is the difference. It is still more $$$$.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 10:08 pm |
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It is not a tax but an "agreed" upon assessment plain and simple!
From the RCSC's Restated Articles of Incorporation:
ARTICLE III
The general nature of the business in which the Corporation is engaged is as follows:
To do anything and everything lawfully necessary in the interest of the Members of the Corporation, including, without limitation, the following: 1. To establish and conduct a general social, cultural, recreational and amusement enterprise for the benefit of its Members and do anything lawfully necessary or convenient to accomplish such purpose, including, but not by way of limitation, to purchase, acquire, develop, sell, lease, own, operate, and manage theaters, playhouses, agricultural projects, riding stables and corrals, libraries, opera houses, golf courses, baseball and football games, tennis courts, dancing facilities, lawn bowling rinks, horseshoe pits, croquet courts, travel clubs, card games, shuffleboard, swimming pools, skating rinks, lecture and conference rooms, and facilities and equipment for such arts and crafts as ceramic work, sewing, woodworking, leathercraft, lapidary, photography, fine arts, jewelry, shellcraft, mosaics, etc., and any and all facilities necessary or incidental to accomplish the general purposes of the Corporation. 2. To coordinate, implement, and aid the various recreational and social clubs which are now or which may become duly recognized as such by this Corporation. 3. To promote cooperation in all matters of interest and benefit to the residents and/or homeowners of the area within the bounds set out in Article I, who become and remain Members of this Corporation. 4. To contract, coordinate or operate, with other organizations, associations, corporations, or individuals in carrying out and conducting the activities and endeavors for which this Corporation is formed and in effecting the benefits and results sought to be gained. 5. To purchase, lease, option, contract for or otherwise acquire, take, own, hold, exchange, sell, or otherwise dispose of, pledge, mortgage, hypothecate, encumber any and all classes of property necessary to the fulfillment and furtherance of the objects and purposes of the Corporation within the limits prescribed by law. 6. To issue such notes, bonds, debentures, contracts, or other security or evidence of indebtedness upon such terms and conditions and in such manner and form as may be prescribed or determined by the Board of Directors, within the limitations prescribed by Article X hereof. 7. To purchase, acquire, own, hold, sell, assign, transfer, mortgage, pledge or otherwise acquire, dispose of, hold or deal in the shares of stocks, bonds, debentures, notes or other security or evidence of indebtedness of this or any other corporation, association or individual, and to exercise all the rights, powers and privileges of ownership, including the right to vote thereon, to the same extent as a natural person might or could do. 8. To lend or invest its funds, with or without security, upon such terms and conditions as shall be prescribed or determined by the Board of directors in accordance with Article VIII, Section 7, of these Articles of Incorporation. 9. To borrow money and to issue bonds, debentures, notes, contracts, and other evidences of indebtedness or obligation, and from time to time for any lawful purpose to mortgage, pledge, and otherwise charge any or all of its properties, property rights and assets to secure the payment thereof. 10. To act as surety or guarantor, agent, trustee, broker, or in any other fiduciary capacity. 11. To make and to perform contracts of every kind and description, and in carrying on its business, or for the purpose of attaining and furthering any of its objects, to do any and all things which a natural person might or could do, and which now or hereafter may be authorized by law, and in general, to do and perform such acts and things, and to have and exercise all the powers and to transact such business in connection with the foregoing objects as may be necessary and required. 12. To do all and everything necessary, suitable, or proper for the accomplishment of any of the purposes or attainment of any of the objects hereinabove enumerated, either alone or in association or partnership with other corporations, firms, and individuals, as principals, agents, brokers, contractors, trustees, or otherwise, and, in general, to engage in any and all lawful business that may be necessary or convenient in carrying on the business of said Corporation and for the purposes pertaining thereto, and to do any and every other act or acts, thing or things, incidental to, growing out of, or connected with said business, or any port or parts thereof; the designation of any object or purpose therein shall not be construed to be a limitation for qualifications or in any manner to limit or restrict the purpose and objects of the Corporation. 13. To transact any or all lawful business for which non-profit corporations may be incorporated under the laws of the State of Arizona and in pursuance thereof to exercise any or all powers granted to corporations in general under the laws of the State of Arizona. The foregoing purposes shall be construed as both objects and powers and the foregoing enumeration of specific purposes shall not be held to limit or restrict in any manner the powers of the Corporation.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 02:59 pm |
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It is simply a matter of one's pocketbook. RCSC can tax you to support the recreation centers.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 09:50 am |
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| WOW - There seems to be quite a lot of jurisprudence and political implication involved with RCSC. Why is this? RCSC is just a recreation provider for the community isn't it? What conclusion can one draw from the foregoing discussions? Is there more going on than meets the eye?
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 03:37 am |
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Good Luck! Don't let your feathers show.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 12:59 am |
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Well that settles it. Only way to change it is run for the board and win.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 11:34 pm |
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The RCSC Bylaws Section 1 Members, Membership and Member Cards:
A. A Member must be an Owner 55 years of age or older and occupy the Sun City property as his/her primary Arizona residence unless his/her other Arizona residence is farther than seventy-five (75) miles from Sun City in which case the Owner(s) must provide proof that he/she occupies the Sun City residence as well.
B. If a spousal Owner is under 55 years of age, he/she may be a Member, provided:
(i) he/she is not under 19 years of age;
(ii) he/she occupies the Sun City property as his/her primary
Arizona residence unless his/her other Arizona residence is
farther than seventy-five (75) miles from Sun City in which case
the Owner(s) must provide proof that he/she occupies the Sun
City residence as well; and
(iii) that one spousal Owner is 55 years of age or older and occupies
the property at the same time. Continued Membership by an underage spousal Owner, because of the death or long term medical relocation of the Owner meeting the age requirement, shall continue only as long as the spousal Owner does not change the ownership and his/her occupancy status of the property.
C. If there are more than two Deeded Real Estate Owners per property who meet the above qualifications for Membership and a Member Card, such Owners must decide which two of the Deeded Real Estate Owners shall be classified as Members. Up to two Member Cards may be provided for each property, provided there are two persons who meet the qualifications of Article II, Sections 1.A and 1.B of these Corporate Bylaws. Additional Owners who meet the above qualifications must purchase a Privilege Card in order to use RCSC facilities. An Owner who does not occupy a Sun City property may purchase a Host Punch Card. The Host Punch Card gives such Owner the privilege of using the RCSC facilities while temporarily in Sun City, subject to being signed in by a valid Member or Privilege Cardholder.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 07:51 pm |
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Sorry....doing my civic duty and attending the RCSC Board meeting. Quite interesting and I congratulate all for maintaining civility under trying circumstances!!!
Justlivin......do you not realize when someone is agreeing with you? I said that 2 cards should be allowed per paid lot assessment. One of the cards may be a privilege card, but there must be a qualifying 55+ person residing on the property. Their are so many different combos of occupancy and ownership. It would seem that two cards issued annually would not be too much to ask.
The IT department said today that they are developing a method to compare the membership data with the county assessment rolls. That will go a long way to find out who owns what and who isn't paying their fair share.
I have a direct question. Is your primary address, the one on your AZ driver's license, the property address? Very important answer here.
I'm still waiting to hear if condo developments such as El Dorado at 103rd and Thunderbird require a mandatory annual assessment fee.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 07:11 pm |
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| Once you are 55, run for the board and make a difference. Or get your companion to do it now.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 04:11 pm |
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2JPS, Come now, so you are saying that since I am under age 55 but a deeded owner OUR home should have to pay 420 per lot for 1 card and then an additional 210 for a privilege card just because we are not married. I used to have a priviledge card and that is what was taken away.
WHY??? What common logical sense does that make. Each household "lot" assessment is given 2 cards, why on earth does it matter if you are married or not if you reside here with the qualifier and you are a DEEDED owner.
The BYLAWS were changed 3 years ago after being in place for 47 years where DEEDED owners either of age 55 plus or over the age of 19 were given their membership cards "2 per lot again, and the under aged member wasn't allowed to vote.Which is understandable. This change was done by the board and was not VOTED upon by the membership which should have been per the articles of incorporation, which read if any bylaws contradict the articles then the articles will prevail and not a stated bylaw. This is how RCSC gets away with there crap of changing things, it states that the RCSC can change fees, assessments but it says no where they can change who gets a card that are deeded owners.
If you can tell me in a real legitimate statement why 2 deeded owners should not get theirs cards and must pay additional when the older people who were grandfathered in and pay way way less is right, we will post your logic and put it to a vote.
And further more 2jps I have posted segments of that letter that should awaken you as to how title is transferred and how the RCSC does NOT include in there facilities agreement the CURRENT BYLAWS because they do not have to as they are a different bird and they do not have to RECORD them, so if you feel that is correct and just then you need to rethink what this and any sitting board can do behind your and the community's back without any knowledge until it comes to play which it has in the case of over 500 used to be members.
The wording SPOUSE needs to be amended to read spouse, domestic partners and or deeded owners of the property. It is very clearly written that if the qualifier dies then the under age spouse can remain, well what about the domestic partners, no they must move as per the CC&Rs. oh I know that is another hot topic that will get shredded in here with opinionated people like you who feel it is right to discriminate against others. ALL people that fall within the CC&Rs guidelines should be treated equal plain and straight forward.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 03:34 pm |
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Spidey wrote:
"One group of residents pay $210, while the other group of residents pay $420. "
When the per lot assessment was put into effect it seemed unfair to make some 90 year old widows and widowers all of a sudden have their annual fee doubled. The change took effect with buyers that had the new per lot assessment fee disclosed at point of sale. Through attrition the dual method of assessing the fee will be eliminated. It may take 20-30 years for it to happen naturally or sooner if the RCSC puts through another new rule.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 03:22 pm |
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justlivin wrote:
"THANK YOU THAT HAS BEEN OUR POINT FROM THE VERY BEGINING DEEDED OWNERS SHOULD HAVE THIER REC CARDS PLAIN AND SIMPLE."
No, not quite that simple. Under age 55 deeded owner should get "privilege" card with only a maximum of 2 cards issued at no extra charge from the annual lot assessment.
One of the biggest cause of problems is transfer of property outside of an escrow company or title company. Cash sales and just recording deeds will make for speedy transfer but most time bypasses all full disclosure of CC&R and RCSC requirements. Anyone can have property deeded to them in Sun City but not everyone can qualify to live here or be a card carrying member.
Still waiting to see that letter posted that ripped your card out of your hand.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 07:44 am |
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| Can someone explain the reasoning behind the two different Property Assessment Fees. One group of residents pay $210, while the other group of residents pay $420. I think I heard somewhere that it was for accounting purposes or something of that nature. I myself feel it is very divisive for the residents of the community and the practice does not lend itself to the overall harmony of Sun City. Wouldn't this be something that should be decided by a majority vote of the membership rather than being left up to a board of eight?
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 05:44 am |
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| THANK YOU THAT HAS BEEN OUR POINT FROM THE VERY BEGINING DEEDED OWNERS SHOULD HAVE THIER REC CARDS PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 05:56 am |
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CCR's have nothing to do with it, plain and simple! If your name is not on the deed, no rec card, case closed! Marriage is mute, name on the deed is where it is at.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 03:44 am |
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NO SCW,,,Only DEEDED owners should get the card as it states or used to state, you must be a deeded owner plain and simple, if you are going to be deeded owners then you should both get equal rights to the rec centers, if you have a live in then NO they should have to purchase a privilege card. That is plain ink on paper, but to circumvent the issue and say that marriage is the qualifier is absolutely wrong, if you want to purchase a home in sun city and you want you sig other on title and that person is deed to the property and all the CC&R requirements are met then the RCSC should allow as they have for the past 46 years that person deeded to the property to have the rights that that property "lot" is paying for.
Ok I am done ranting time for vacation. Thank you Mr Bill for yor input, you are logical and very knowledgeable and I thank you for your input on this.
Margarita time and here we come Purta Viarta...
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Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 10:38 pm |
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The issue is "deeded owners". I know of at least 3 instances where the owner is complaining when his/her name is the only one on the deed, but they are living with a non-spouse. Should this person get a rec card?
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Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 09:54 pm |
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I'd vote in favor of that plan. Paying the full assessment should mean 2 facilities access cards to the deeded owner(s) for a full 12 month period as long as one of the primary occupants is 55 or older. This would also benefit 19-54 year old family members that are live in caregivers for their parents, grandparents etc.
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Sorry for the multiple posts but i couldn't get the ensuing discussion to reduce down to the smaller font.
Justlivin's argument is regarding the "spousal" wording in that section of the bylaws. I have no idea if they have changed the bylaws of late but it may well be the case. It is fairly clear that only one membership card is issued if only one of the "owners" is age 55 or older unless they are married.
I support Jl's position that it is unfair to only allow one card to a household where there are clearly two title holders on the deed and they both live in Sun City. As long as one of them is 55 they meet the criteria to live in Sun City.
If you recall there was a time when a single owner paid a single rec fee. Now it is a flat rate and the problem is that dual owners are paying the $420 (if one is under 55 and not married) and if they want to buy a privilege card, it is another $210. That seems unfair to me.
The fairest solution is a as long as there are dual owners and as long as one of them is 55 they would be entitled to one rec card and one privilege card for their $420 assessment.
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The CC&R's have Nothing to do with rec cards nor does the Sun City Home Owners Association. The rec cards are purely a function of the Rec Centers of Sun City (RCSC).
Let me start by saying there is an old adage from message board posting: Attack the argument, not the poster. It is far more productive if we can deal with the issue rather than the personalities.
Thanks to SCW for posting the link to the By-Laws. Here is the part justlivin is angry about:
Members shall be Deeded Real Estate Owners (“Owner(s)”) of property located in the area entitled "Sun City General Plan, Maricopa County, Arizona," as prepared by the Del E. Webb Development Company and dated July 1972, November 1974, August 1975, and September 1978 with subsequent amendments thereto. Owners who meet the following qualifications shall be entitled to a Member Card and therefore considered as the Membership of the Corporation, as long as they are Members in good standing: A. A Member must be an Owner 55 years of age or older and occupy the Sun City property as his/her primary Arizona residence unless his/her other Arizona residence is farther than seventy-five (75) miles from Sun City in which case the Owner(s) must provide proof that he/she occupies the Sun City residence as well.
B. If a spousal Owner is under 55 years of age, he/she maybe a Member, provided:
(i) he/she is not under 19 years of age;
(ii) he/she occupies the Sun City property as his/her primary Arizona residence unless his/her other Arizona residence is farther than seventy-five (75) miles from Sun City in which case the Owner(s) must provide proof that he/she occupies the Sun City residence as well; and
(iii) that one spousal Owner is 55 years of age or older and occupies the property at the same time. Continued Membership by an underage spousal Owner, because of the death or long term medical relocation of the Owner meeting the age requirement, shall continue only as long as the spousal Owner does not change the ownership and his/her occupancy status of the property.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 06:30 pm |
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Just a question, where in the CCRs does it mention rec cards? Addressing the Articles of Incorporation, what or whose articles? Where are the specifics of violations?
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I remember being down this road before. Refresh my memory.....were both deeded owners over the age of 55?
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Yes your holiness, after we moved in as they were withheld from us because they do not give them to title for buyers review and they also were changed during our 10 day right of inspection of the docs which as you can read were never given out, as you can see from Miss Ecks letter, so yes sweet know it all, we have read them after the battle with them revoking cards, and if you read the updated version of the bylaws where the board voted among themselves and not the majority of the community and have gone against the articles of incorporation and the CC&Rs which entitles EVERY DEEDED homeowner the right to 2 recreation cards per household you would then understand why there is criticism over the board.
So your deed says NOTHING and your CC&Rs are being violated and your Articles of incorporation which Del Webb instituted when making SC are being broken and you feel all righteous and happy about it, wait until they change something that affects you and your property rights without your knowledge and input and we will see just how wise the holiness is and how she rebels.
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Did you read the "secret" Bylaws Boomer? Something to sleep on.
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OH AND HERE MISS KNOW IT ALL
ONE MORE EXCERPT FROM YOUR ROYAL RCSC
As a result of what they learned by creating us, they corrected in future developments where and how these documents are all recorded so that they are included in every real estate closing.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 05:04 am |
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OH AND HAGGATHA GOOD NIGHT,,,
I MISSPELLED THORNS RAG ON ME FOR THAT TOOO AHHHHHHHHH
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Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 05:02 am |
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AND RIDE THIS,
There is no doubt that we are very unique, as we were one of the first “planned communities” if not the first in the United States and as a result, the document process that is usual to planned communities does not occur in our case, which we agree can be difficult for those buying into Sun City.
PER JAN ECK SO SIT AND SPIN ON YOUR OWN CROWN OF THRONS..
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Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 04:39 am |
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Sit and spin sweet cakes!
By the way, here are the secret bylaws:
http://www.sunaz.com/corporatebylaws.htm
Not so secret Boomer!
Last edited on Sat Jun 20th, 2009 04:43 am by Sun City Watch
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Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 03:41 am |
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SEE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SPEAKING OF SCW, FINALLY GOT YAH!!!
THOUGHT YOU HAD ALL THE SMART ANSWERS AND YOU WERE WRONG I THINK YOU SHOULD READ YOUR RECORDED DOCS ON MARICOPA.GOV AND SEND AN APOLOGY TO EVERYONE,
IT IS THE BYLAWS WHICH ARE HELD IN SECRECY THAT DICTATE WHAT RCSC CAN DO, AND NO THEY ARE NOT RECORDED AND ARE WITHHELD PER JAN ECKK BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO DISCLOSE THEM, BECAUSE SUN CITY IS A SPECIAL BIRD AND IT WAS THE FIRST OF IT'S KIND AND IF YOU THINK I AM LYING I WILL POST HER EVER SO NOT NICE SPECIAL LETTER STATING SUCH IF MY ATTORNEY ALLOWS ME TO.
IT IS NOT I WHO RAG ON OTHERS IT IS YOU. YOU ARE SOOOO PERFECT AND LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT SC AND BLAH BLAH BLAH AND HOW PERFECT THE RCSC IS AND HOW YOU LOVE GIVING THEM YOUR MONEY AND SCREW THE REST OF THE PUBLIC. BUT WHEN SOMEONE ELSE HAS A GRIPE OR COMPLAINT OR EVEN MENTIONS SOMETHING YOU DISLIKE THEM SAYING YOU SAY LOVE IT ALL OR LEAVE ,, WELL GUESS WHAT WE ARE NOT LEAVING.
THE BOOMERS ARE HERE!!!!!!!!
I NEVER CLAIM TO BE RIGHT LIKE YOU DO, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO SEEMS TO HAVE ALLLLL THE CORRECT ANSWERS. I THINK NOT..
GOOD NIGHT PRINCESS..   
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Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 03:25 am |
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I guess you do so you just rant on. I just love how you are in control and have all the answers. Carry on.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 02:32 am |
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AGAIN SCW if you don't know what the heck you are speaking about then SHUT UP, yes we signed the same agreement as you, but behind the scenes it was changed, so PLEASE shut your trap unless you know what you are speaking about PLEASE!!!!, you really do mess with people with your smart mouth and typest fingers who seems to know the world and how it all revolves in SC, but YOU DONT..
If you can take my nice little piece of RCSC trash paperwork that we signed had notorized and recorded as your smart mouth says and make it real as it says it should be then I will apologize, but you cant so please please shut up.
Now go lamb baste someone else OK..Or better yet get Jan Eck to come over for dinner and have a great chat. Because if you think you can find anything in RCSC docs that says I have to be married to get my rec card then you are really drinking something pretty good and i want some of it and I am sure the other 500 mplus would as well.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 01:58 am |
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And you are both so sweet and open! Perhaps it was not on your deed, but when you purchased in Sun City you signed a recorded, notarized "Recreation Centers of Sun City, Inc. Facilities Agreement".
You can check the Maricopa County Recorder's website for your copy if you do not have one.
Last edited on Sat Jun 20th, 2009 02:09 am by Sun City Watch
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Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 01:35 am |
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SCW says,
The recreation centers are for everyone and everyone has the obligated responsibility to maintain them whether they use them or not. Read your deed. You can't change what is written and agreed upon when you buy into Sun City.
Ha u are a joke SCW, my deed reads I am a deeded owner and entitled to the rec centers and they stripped me of my card along with 500 plus others, so watch what you say, just because I am not married and the other 500 plus are not either is no reason to strip any home owner of there rights to the rec centers which as you stated is in our deed and in the articles of incorporation, so as you always say to those of us who say anything that you dislike SCW which is 99% of everything in this chat room, please watch what you say and how you chastise unless you really know what you are speaking about. OK!!!! that would be ever so nice in this blog, you go Scroggy
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Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 04:35 pm |
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" I think people who use them regularly should be responsible for their upkeep."
Kind of like the Fire Department?
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Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 06:14 am |
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Thank you! Point taken and true.
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Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 05:57 am |
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The Rec. Centers are used by everyone whether you've ever walked into one or not. If you decide to sell your home one day those Rec. Centers become a selling feature.
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Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 04:51 am |
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Scroggy is living in another world in my opinion. I love the rec centers and what they offer to Sun City and many thanks to the RCSC Board for keeping Sun City modernized! I would not trade Sun City for SCW or SCG!
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