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 Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 11:31 pm
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Maricopa Parking Restrictions:

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 Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 05:21 pm
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Good news on the end run by the legislature on parking in the Sun Cities.  We would have ended up looking like Rio Linda if that debacle had passed.

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 Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 04:56 pm
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Here's the problem SCW: We've spent way more money than we should have on "trying to make it work." Throw in the down time and there comes a point where it's just throwing good money after bad. We made the mistake of listening to what we were being told rather than just confronting the issue and working it out.

SCHOA has had a mishmash of technology "experts" who have been injecting their opinions and their "help" over the years. It's never been cheap and it's never solved the issues we faced. I applaud the decision to get their arms around the problems with an IT committee. I also know they won't piss away a fortune on the fix because they simply don't have a fortune to waste.

$15 a year is a steal and any resident who doesn't belong is shortchanging themselves and the community. And, you read it here first; the legislative committee looking at pulling in the reins on HOA's and steet parking can take a deep breath...the bill died in committee yesterday. Yay.

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 Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 04:25 pm
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No, but what is wrong with making what you have work?

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The question is "Do you expect something for nothing?"

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 Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 06:19 am
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I don't think you get it!

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 Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 06:06 am
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You think good software grows on trees or are you one of those that uses pirated software?

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 Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 03:57 am
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I still do not understand spending that much money when membership is $15?

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 Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 02:48 pm
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Let me try and put things in perspective. I left SCHOA after completing my three year term at the turn of the year but i have some knowledge of what is going on and what has happened that triggered all of this.

In 2006 several of us were elected to the SCHOA Board. Bluntly speaking, it was embarrassing to read, see and hear all of the negative comments from residents regarding what and how SCHOA was doing.

In our first year we set off to try and get our arms around the problems. SCHOA was dealing with less than a 1000 complaints a year. Frankly, at that point any software would have done to handle violations. The bigger issue was on the membership side we couldn't get good information. The data base had some issues that plagued us for almost the entirety of our term.

Without going into too much detail all of the employees quit at the end of 2006. They left us in a lurch and we quickly responded by hiring all new people. The new executive director was familiar with TOPS and urged us to buy it for $5000. The board approved it and for nearly all of 2007 we wrestled with its inadequacies. The TOPS management program was created for smaller communities and hence it never has worked well even in handling the CC&R tracking.

The bigger problem was it was not compatible with our membership data base. The employees were having to bounce between programs constantly. It slowed them down and was an inefficient way to function. In retrospect we should have accepted TOPS offer in the first couple of months to return the program and get our money back but the executive director was adamant the program would ultimately work.

By the end of our second year, the hardware and software problems in the office were off the charts. Adding to the mix was the fact that our push to make enforcement matter was working. Violations were up almost ten fold. Tracking was critical and we really needed to be able to merge the front side (membership) and the backside (CC&R's) into one cohesive unit.

Again i'll spare you the details but by 2008 a rift took place on the board and the fight got butt ugly. We lost 5 board members and the executive director. Again we went to the drawing board and reconfigured the office makeup. Rather than hiring an Executive Director, we created department managers. One headed up the front end (membership and vendors) and the other took control of the backside (CC&R's).

It worked better than we could imagine, but it has taken almost a year to get the kinks worked out. We have been looking at the software problems for three years and i was delighted to see they are acting on them. In the middle of last year we contracted with a local company from Youngtown called TeamLogicIT and they have done a great job in walking us through the dozens of IT issues we have faced.

For anyone who has worked with software and hardware problems you know there is nothing more frustrating than to lose data or not be able to access it. Throw in the problems of slow working machines where you sit for minutes waiting for it to search a data base and the old adage "time is money" becomes a reality.

The fact is SCHOA's computer problems became nightmares due to our own successes. Inspiring the community to become more aggressive in policing their neighborhoods was a good thing. Our CC&R enforcement officers are doing a bang up job and the community is looking better than it has in a long time. The community intervention program and the financial assistance program have worked well. Residents know if they don't comply they'll face costs that are just plain expensive to fight.

Bottom line is if SCHOA is going to continue to grow and be effective it needs to streamline the hardware and software. We bought the wrong software a couple of years ago and clinging to it is crazy. There are other over the counter software programs out there but again they have not been built to deal with 27,000 households.

Ultimately i support the decision to invest in new software and i know the folks who will buy it will not spend monies foolishly. I think by the time this shakes out the costs will be in line and the programs they have built will be exactly tailored to both the front end and back end needs.

On a final note, i agree with the suggestion that SCHOA stay on top of this idiot, IDIOT bill working its way through the legislature to strip HOA's of the ability to enforce the street parking problems in their community. While there are some HOA's that are too aggressive, i would hate to see that sea of motor homes stored below the 14th hole at Riverview suddenly moved in front of homes in Sun City. Allowing motor homes to sit on Sun City streets for long periods of time would be a nightmare.

Sorry for the length of the post but understanding why and what is going on is good for the community.

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I would have to say that if they were to CUSTOMIZE there own version of software and have it crash, who would be there to bring it back up,what happens in 5 10 15 years from now when the developer is LONG GONE????

 ALL software has crashes, if it didn't there would never be a need for a down load fix, look at windows, I cant and wont JUMP ahead of myself and get the usual u speak without knowing rammed down my throat, but is the people running what software they have now really IT literate???

I really got a charge out of the , so we can keep track of the CC&R violators, lol,,

So in a nut shell,  I say no!!!! Use what you have as it has worked for the 40K households that have been here in SC for the past 49 years, it has done it's job and done it well, JUST GET SOME LITERATE PEOPLE TO RUN IT, as the saying goes if it isn't broke don't mess with it, it isn't broke, it is the operators of the system for sure or so it sounds like.;)

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 Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 12:02 am
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"TOPS Software" is now "212 Software" with Corporate offices in Gathersburg, MD and Support in Clearwater, FL.

http://www.topswebsites.com/
http://www.212software.com/

I cannot recommend a software package, but to spend a great deal of money to accomplish "...
software is critical to SCHOA officials’ ability to track compliance issues, including sending letters to residents." would be a bit much.

I think knowledgeable residents should get involved and help the Board make an educated decision.  Why cannot all the Sun Cities use the same web hosting and design company?

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I have to ask the question, WHY?  It sounds like an huge amount of money to spend!  They need to make TOPS work and pay someone to keep it work which would be cheaper than 20 to 100K dollars.  How many memberships is that?

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 Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 09:44 pm
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I would think with the population as diverse as "The Sun Cities", there is not a resident who is a software "guru" and would be a great asset to this project.

I would also believe "The Sun Cities" should make a group decision and purchase so the software is equally helpful and cost effective for all the communities. They would all have the same problems and I would also think all the geographically nationwide "Sun Cities" should be queried as to their solutions before moving ahead with this purchase and decision.  I hope Sun City, AZ is not one of those places that has to have "unique" solutions to their "unique" problems.

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Sounds like they have a flaying approach to IT requirements.  I especially like the suggestion to develop their own software.  That will be a bottomless pit.

I don't see any activity by SCHOA to sway state legislators to vote against the bill to preclude HOA's from enforcing street parking. I hope they will spend some time paying attention to their main purpose instead of IT

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Editor’s note: Copied below is a story from the Sun City Independent. You can post your opinions by clicking on "Reply."




SCHOA
to buy
software


Existing system failures
stall CC&R enforcement


By Rusty Bradshaw


Independent Newspapers


Sun City Home Owners officials will be making some changes with its information technology, including purchasing new property management software.


The SCHOA board will consider proposals at its next regular meeting, 9:30 a.m. Tuesday, June 23 at the SCHOA office, 10401 W. Coggins Drive. Bill Szentmiklosi, SCHOA compliance manager, plans to have three bids for the board to consider at the meeting.


"From the companies I’ve talked to so far, prices range anywhere from $12,000 to $100,000," he said. "But none meet all our specific needs and a program would have to be adapted."


In addition to the software, SCHOA board members will consider a new Web site designer for the organization. In a special meeting June 9 board members agreed with their new IT committee a redesign of the SCHOA Web site was needed. Board members also agreed the organization needed a new Web design and maintenance company. Sun City resident Lou Sniderman is the existing site coordinator.


SCHOA needs new property management software because its existing program is frequently out of service, according to Walt Patterson, SCHOA board president.


"TOPPS was down again today," he said in the June 9 meeting.


Mr. Szentmiklosi said the software company is in Florida and some problems can be solved remotely, but others require a technician at SCHOA headquarters.


"Every time it goes down, we lose a whole day," he said.


The software is critical to SCHOA officials’ ability to track compliance issues, including sending letters to residents. The software is inadequate to SCHOA’s use because it was designed for communities of about 2,500, according to Mr. Szentmiklosi.


"TOPPS has a lot of good qualities, but it also has drawbacks," he said.


Mr. Patterson said purchasing new software could cost as much as $40,000, and a new Web site design could cost as much as $3,500. In addition, with new software SCHOA will need computer equipment upgrades, which Mr. Patterson said could be as high as $10,000.


"When all is said and done, this could cost as much as $60,000," he said. "But until we see the bids, we don’t know for sure."


Jeanine Frederick, SCHOA operations manager, said the organization has up to $112,000 in CDs due to mature at separate dates in the next six months. These funds would help SCHOA cover the costs. SCHOA board members also approved at the June 9 meeting selling advertisements for its Web site and this is expected to help the organization recoup the software and Web design costs, she added.


Mr. Szentmiklosi estimated advertising could bring in $13,000 annually.


"That means we could recoup this cost in three to four years," he said.


Mr. Szentmiklosi also said the board can choose to have the software built from scratch, which would eliminate the monthly maintenance and annual fees charged when purchasing existing software. Building the software from scratch might be the best way to go for another reason, he added.


"The companies I’ve talked to said our community needs are so unique they have nothing that meets all our needs and they would have to make modifications to existing programs," he said.


Repairing the existing TOPPS software does not appear to be a viable option, Mr. Szentmiklosi said.


"It has been down so many times that now the data is corrupt, and I have no idea what it would cost to repair it," he said.


George Davis, SCHOA board member, made the motion for the software purchase and Web design, but stipulated officials should only move forward if the finances were available in sufficient quantities to not cripple the organization. Lyle Roth, board treasurer, was not able to attend the June 9 meeting, but Mr. Patterson said he would be consulted prior to the June 23 regular board meeting to determine the financial state of the organization.


"The finances must be there to do this," Mr. Davis said. "We cannot jeopardize SCHOA."


Mr. Szentmiklosi said monthly cost for the current Web site maintenance provider and the lowest quote from other vendors he received so far are not that far apart, with the existing cost at $2,500 per month and the lowest quote at $2,200 per month. However, other vendors can offer more services, including tracking of "hits" on the Web site, he explained. Board members were also concerned at the length of time Mr. Sniderman takes to make requested changes to the Web site.


"The timeliness of response is not that good with our current provider," Mr. Szentmiklosi said.


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