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Posted: Mon Oct 16th, 2006 04:27 am

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ihatepoliticians

THANK YOU for providing facts to statements that have been made. I really appriciate the info and it definately helped!

I will definately be taking this info into consideration.

Thanks again and by the way - my mind is NOT made up for whom I will be voting for with the exception of Duran - he will NEVER receive a vote from me.

Thanks again.

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Posted: Sun Oct 15th, 2006 09:01 pm

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Writestuff, (Or should I call you Mike LeVault?) You are telling a Balf-Face Lie, to say that Mark Fooks was on top of the sitution with the Mine people!!! At one meeting he walked OUT of the meeting saying to them," Do what ever you have to do!" That sounds to me as if Fooks didn't care! Or knew that he could not do any thing to stop the situation at hand. So he just left!

And you should know by now, that Hackbarth DID NOT FIRE Fooks, the Council did!!!

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Posted: Sat Oct 14th, 2006 07:26 am

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First of all, I'd like to give kudos to AntiRecall Boy, an unexpected reply by a supporter of Bryan Hackbarth's. I simply mean that it wasn't attacking Zack or Dorena Mello any further.

This one's for Ken:

I just want to say that I am glad you do what you do and you are who you are.

I'm not hiding behind anything. I am protecting you. You are an arrest waiting to happen.

I understand that a complaint was filed against you stating that while you were verbally attacking a citizen, you lifted your shirt and placed it on the inside of your concealed side arm making it clearly visible. Did you pay attention during your concealed class? Don't you know that is not only threatening and intimidation, (A.R.S. 13-1202), but if that citizen feels or believes you may use that weapon against them, whether it's at the time of the confrontation or in the future, it is aggravated assault, (A.R.S. 13-1204)?I'm not going to tell you my name, where I live or even exactly what I do for a living, but had I been there, I would have arrested you. I am not a local Police Officer, I can make arrests in all fifty states. I can also take my sidearm on board commercial airlines and in other places where most law enforcement cannot.

I WILL NOT VERBALLY ATTACK ANY PERSONS STATING THEIR OPINIONS. I am a believer and defender of the Bill of Rights.

However............, when your actions are clearly ignorant and convey that you are simply a "wannabe bully with a gun", you become a danger, not only to others , but to yourself. Since you have persisted in openly threatening your neighbors and other citizens by brandishing your firearm, you have sparked at least three people to start carrying firearms. You may think, "good for them", but think again........, they are waiting for you to draw your weapon so they can cease the threat.

In today's society, you may frighten a few people, but the majority will get angry and will just wait for you to mess up again so they can justify their actions. Some might not even wait. If it is too hard to be responsible and level headed while carrying any weapon, don't carry any, it could save your life.

Now that my CCW Responsibility speech is over, two things Ken.........

FIRST.......It's not a concealed weapon when it is bulky and everybody knows it's there. It actually makes you a target. If you are in a business and "robbers" walk in to case it before they draw their weapons, they will see it and you become the first objective. They will either shoot you or hold a gun to your head while they take your firearm away from you. I've seen sawed off 12 GA DBL barrell shotguns more concealed than your sidearm.

SECOND........in talking with a member of the Department of Public Safety, they do know about the complaint, along with one filed with their department, and will be looking at revoking your CCW. ( No conviction needed ). Once you lose it, you cannot get it back.

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Posted: Fri Oct 13th, 2006 07:39 pm

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Dorena Mello wrote: Ken,

Thanks you for help with a parenting lesson.

Let me first say Zack attack is my 14 year old son and that what everyone calls him, and councilman Leija was his couch.

I first found this out yesterday when I received notification of the reply. Zack will not be making any more comments and is grounded from the computer.

You have help with the leason with your replies, I explained to him last night that just because something is true you don't have the right to share it, unless it endangers someone and there are proper channels for that and it's not here.

I'm sorry for his actions, I agree it was wrong. I hope the rest of us will learn that when adults act like children, children will act like children.

I will let him read you comments Ken so it reinforces what I said

Thanks again for the reply and the life lesson for my son.

Dorena Mello

Donna,

Please don't restrict Zack's use of the computer or censor his opinions but simply guide him through what he is feeling and thoughts. Let him voice his opinions.

We both know that the future is in our youth. I think that it is GREAT that he is interested in the civic events that are happening in his community - it is kinda rare these days.

Yes, maybe some of what he posted shouldn't have been and then again Ken could have been a little more tactful in his reply. At least Zack is interested in what is going on - KUDOS to him!!!

Last edited on Mon Oct 16th, 2006 04:28 am by AntiRecall Boy

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Posted: Thu Oct 12th, 2006 05:05 pm

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Ken,

Thanks you for help with a parenting lesson.

Let me first say Zack attack is my 14 year old son and that what everyone calls him, and councilman Leija was his couch.

I first found this out yesterday when I received notification of the reply. Zack will not be making any more comments and is grounded from the computer.

You have help with the leason with your replies, I explained to him last night that just because something is true you don't have the right to share it, unless it endangers someone and there are proper channels for that and it's not here.

I'm sorry for his actions, I agree it was wrong. I hope the rest of us will learn that when adults act like children, children will act like children.

I will let him read you comments Ken so it reinforces what I said

Thanks again for the reply and the life lesson for my son.

Dorena Mello

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Posted: Thu Oct 12th, 2006 03:54 pm

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     I wonder who this is hiding behind a screen name ?

                scared huh!.........................

        afraid huh ?....................................................

                   that's what I thought     A PAWN

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Posted: Thu Oct 12th, 2006 03:35 pm

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you want what's best for Y.T.??????!!!!!! could have fooled me ... lavault is NOT IT, that is for sure.

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Posted: Thu Oct 12th, 2006 03:31 pm

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I see you have a lot to say yet you hide your true identity..... figures

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first of all zack go back to school and learn how to spell. Your lack of knowledge is apparent by your lack of ability to spell simple words , just the kind of support they want , someone who they can manipulate just like you .Thank you for more proof of this . I suggest you take a class.

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I want to know how you are going to vote when the truth of why lavault is doing a recall comes out!!! [AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FIRING OF FOOKS] Look at the budget. MARK FOOKS WAS SCREWING THE Town and you fools think he was so great .            LAVAULT is one of his cronies HE [fooks] is running the show ..lavault can't even push a button to change a video screen without help from his wife, good thing she's a d.r. ha ha or we would have never got through the presentation. And you think he can run the town? U.R. a fool, wake up.

And if you are so proud of these fools why do you hide behind a false name?

            that's what I thought.................................

                               NO RECALL NO RECALL NO RECALL NO RECALL

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I would like to start by saying I agree with miss Mello. This forum is full of name calling and attacks, mostly from the people siding with the Mayor. There is alot of speculation and rumors trying to be started here. I have talked to all parties involve, both at meetings and outside of meetings.

So lets start with Mr. LeVault. He seems like a level headed guy with common sense. So far checking on things we'ved talked about, I haven't found him to have lied to me.

Ms. Mello, has a successful business, we talked more about her kids than issues, so I know her to be a doeting mother, and probably someone I would date if I were single.

Jack Duran, not real impressed. That just goes back to some extreme lack of confidence in some employees he has at his school, one in particular that should not be in an authority position and has caused greif inside and outside of the school, yet Jack lets him remain.

Mr. Weigund,(spelling?), Seems like a nice guy that's just caught up in the middle.

Mrs. Champagne,(spelling?), Seems like a nice lady, but not cut out for politics. After talking to her, I got the impression she's caught up in the notoriety and title.

Bryan.......he is a bird of a different feather. I didn't vote for him this last election, but I voted for him in the previous one. While I don't agree with the statement of "Bryan Hackbarth has done more for the Town of Youngtown than has any previous mayor.", simply because the previous councils had an overlay and didn't need any parks, etc., etc., and the last administration wanted the overlay back. There simply weren't any needs, ( other than to keep the water company....stupid, stupid, stupid). I know for a fact, out of Bryan Hackbarths mouth, that Vice Mayor Beck was responsible for the parks and playgrounds. That was her baby and the other council people knew it.

There has been alot of things done for Youngtown while Bryan Hackbarth has been Mayor, but it seems to me that everyone on his side is giving him full credit or at least saying, " under his supervision". I find it hard to beleive that our entire council and staff since he's been Mayor have been completely useless. I've heard alot of good ideas from Mr. Fooks and many of the council members over the last three plus years, that are not the Mayor, some of them have been implimented and others haven't. Lets at least give credit where credit is due.

The main reason I won't vote for Bryan again is because he is a liar. For those that want proof, here is one example, (because I don't have all night),the most recent, in public, and varifiable. When the council was voting about the no-smoking ordinance, (a completely seperate forum issue), I beleive it was Mr. LeVault's wife that stood up and asked the Mayor if he was in conflict since his company does business with the hair salon that initiated the complaint leading to the ordinance. Bryan then replied, "no, I don't own that business, my wife does." Recently there was a complaint filed at city hall that shows..,and I checked, yes, he does own that business. I also checked, no, there is no business liscense for his business in youngtown, and he should have one like all the others to do business here.

I don't know everything that goes on in this town, but I do know that something is wrong when the Mayor has several complaints filed against him at City Hall, and he is quoted as saying, "I didn't let the citizens speak, because they would have just said negative things about members of the council".

I was there at the meeting when the Mayor and three members of the council fired Mr. Fooks. The Town Attourney did not advise the Mayor not to let the citizens speak, because she knew that if it is on the agenda, it is law, that the people have the right to speak. It's just good practice to hear from citizens anyway.

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Posted: Wed Oct 11th, 2006 02:18 am

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ok well im on the side of the recall because for 1 our mayor is crap and he ellects his lil toys and 1 of them is a convicted feline if you all didnt know that and he still does drugs and hes on city council hes open about andi have smelt it at his house and pappy you need to tsake afreking chill pill cause we know your on the council or your wife is and its not that good of a idea to loose your cool cause its going to come out who u r and your going to be screwed

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Posted: Tue Oct 10th, 2006 06:20 pm

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Ken, Pappy, Sue, Anitrecallboy

I think the connection is obvious between all the reponses that you are part of same crowd or just one individual trying look let you have more support.

So here the deal I refuse to do name calling and be part of such a negative activity so Im going to let you (Ken, Patricia, Brain, Mike) have this site to post your mud slinging.

We will let the people decide November 7th where the truth lies.

I hope Ken you get help with your angry issues.

Have a nice day :cool:

Dorena

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Thank you Sue Storm for your support. I also was there,I made the same observations.They say they want to give the people a voice but last month when I got up to speak on a non-agenda item they both got up yelling like two idiots is this how they are going to give the people a voice? They constantly disrupt the town meetings with STUPID IDIOTIC questions don't they live in the same house ,cant they consolidate their questions? NO instead they both get up and ask !. wasting time for their own personal vendetta. BUT, lets not stop there how many records requests have these fools asked for? wasting town employees time,which costs the town money how many hours did the town spend getting all these requests? I know for fact it's quite a lot.

Are the towns people aware that the new public works building is way OVER BUDGET? Do the towns people know that"Down to earth construction co."was utilizing the property at no cost, under our former managers approval? Do the towns people know HOW MUCH OVER BUDGET the building really is? Do the towns people know that DOWN to Earth was occupying that facility during the JULY 4 festivities with backhoes and other construction equipment that could have saved the town thousands of dollars which we spent RENTING several backhoes to sit at the lake for a week? Don't you think the town manager would have made some sort of a deal ....after all they were using our property at no cost to them, with all that equipment sitting back their that could have been used in the river bottom to do the work for the town. Why when the town lawyer drew up a contract did Down to earth evacuate the premises? Sounds fishy to me.How much do you think that would have saved the town? I think that "we the people" should be changed to "I THE LOSER" he's not doing it for the people he's doing it for himself just to get on a council that didn't want him there to begin with.It doesn't take a rocket scientist to read between the lines...hell it don't even take a high school diploma, it is so plain to see .
By the way I am the vice-mayors husband!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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You people kill me!! I sit here and laugh at youre stupidity. WHY would you want to put out big sighns that say NO CHOKE out in front of youre homes?

Arent you trying to sell them? If i lived down there i would be sueing each of you for making my property value go down.or is that the plan, get property values down so an inside realter can buy low, RENT for a couple of years,then sell for a bigger profit when everyone forgets about the pit? You should have a sighn that says "come to our wonderfull community and be part of it" no instead you drive off prospective buyers with your awfull sighns...... then admit it was you. SHAME ON YOU H.O.A.   by the way, what does little mikey do for a job? realtor?oh yea ! I drive around this whole valley and have yet to see one for sale with his name on it .

                        You would think that if that was his job then wouldn't he try to sell all those empty homes down there?   Would he allow negative sighnage to be put up ?     I dont think so !!   that is why he does not try to sell property in A.F.R..bacause he knows it will be difficult with so much negitivity .Seems he likes it, he constantly surrounds himself with it. So if you know where I can see a home he is selling besides the property HE OWNS IN TOWN...let me know
     THANKS for youre SUPPORT PAPPY and ANTI-RECALL   BOY ..............................................

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YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!! WHY WOULD I NEED TO HIDE BEHIND A SCREEN name like LOSER LAVAULT?? You people DON'T SCARE ME. Am I supposed to run and hide behind one like you're loser leader mikey?

you people should make sure of why you are fighting to get rid of a man like Bryan. Little mikey didn't get appointed on the town council, now the mayor and some of his council fire town manager, Mike lavault sees perfect opportunity to vote the three people out who didn't vote for him ......why not margret chittenden then also? after all it was HER decision breaking vote that appointed mr leija into council that ultimately allowed the firing of mr fooks?if not for her deciding vote where would we be today? have any of you ever met mr. leija and his family //??they are very deserving in the loving FAMILY that they have/and by the way what does his past have to do with any thing any how, it's his future and what he's doing now that I' m concerned with.

        If Bryan has done so much wrong in this town over the last 3 years then why do you have to DIG so far into the PAST to get negative, irrelevant, results? Fact is... there is none. He has done a great job!! the only thing mayor Hackbarth and his LOYAL council members did was to NOT vote for MR. lavault   Now the TOWN is paying the price!!!!   OPEN YOUR EYES!!!! IT DOESN'T TAKE A P.H.D. ya know!!!!!!

         Do you realize how sad it is that you have nothing .....................?

       Nothing to back your allegations ........................................!!!!!!!

FACT: mr lavault tried twice to get on town council...............................................

                              twice he failed..........................................................

                 now he bends the truth to turn town people angry ..............................

                  lies.....lies I tell you !!

              you people have never been to a meeting so how would you know how or if the mayor lets anyone speak?????



you yourself self have never been to a meeting before mikey boy had a problem ..did you?

              I hold in my hand the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                              I HAVE THE TRUTH AND YOU WILL KNOW IT TOO......SOON.....

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Well Dorena, If you were at the meeting when Fooks was termanated, did you notice that BEFORE the meeting started Mike LeVault jumped up and started yelling about firing Mark Fooks, that's when the trouble started. Levault actually started the turmoil! And the Mayor had him ejected. When Bryan tried to get control, the Town Attorney told Bryan NOT to answer ANY questions from the gallery. When he announced that there would be no questions or answers, all Hell broke loose, and that's when LeVault and a few people started shouting for Recall, the ball was in motion...

Now, if you were there you saw the same thing I saw happen! I've thought very hard about that night and it was ugly. I will admit to that! But, if you say that you have read a lot of documents from Town Hall, you must have found that Mark Fooks needed to be termanated, before the Town got any deeper in in trouble, all the Dept. were in trouble, including Financial dispair! All the Mayor has been doing is trying to keep the Boat afloat & NOT abandon it! Believe It Or Not!

By the way, Dorene, the only thing I'm Very angry about is the way the "We the People" are treating the Council Members who have done MORE than ANY council before...

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Posted: Tue Oct 10th, 2006 03:08 am

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Pappy, the difference between us is I'm using my true identity. If you are up to date on the events, then you realize by the name that I'm on Youngtown side. I have read town documents, and spoke to many residents not to know the truth.

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I understand that! Did you understand "HOW" he got his name on the ballot?? He was a write-in for the Primary, Which meant that he was NOT elgibale to be on the General Election Ballot. But, he was allowed to, because of the Three "G's" and a bit of Rule bending.

NOW, for another FACT! Did you know that Larry Oglesby's son was selling DRUGS out of Larry's house??? Fact, check the police records yourself! Also, did you know that Larry Oglesby was aiding & abettng illegal Mexican, that lived next door to him?? Larry was trying to get them hired by the Town. He also gave advise to them about sueing another woman, who had hired them, when they had false ID cards.

And, by-the-way I AM NOT EITHER ONE OF THE TWO NAMES YOU ASK ABOUT! But I have lived here in Youngtown for over 10 years & have met a lot of the people that live here. And I do have some knowledge of what has been going on!

By the way, if you are in "cahoots" with LeVault & his gang, Please, get you facts from Both sides before you vote!

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That doesn't make sense if won in a general election he won!

You never let me know if this Ken or Bryan?

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Yes, Larry got elected to Council over Bryan Hackbarth, But, Larry was NOT even suppose to be on the ballet if the old Council, The three"G's" had not of interfered with the system. The three "G's" did not want a young man on the Council, so they bent the rules to accomadate Larry Oglesby by letting him re-run in the General election, which was illegal to start with!!! But you saw that Bryan DID become the Mayor, and has done a great job, untill Fooks wanted to RUN the Town. Fooks had stated several times that Youngtown was his town to run as he wanted! Believe It Or Not!!

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Hi Pappy, I don't know that many folks in town as angry as you, (is that you Ken or Brian) that would be my guess.

Larry missed the deadline to be on the ballot and won the election as a write in, which I find even more impressive and do you want to share who he won against or should I.

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True Believer, You must be VERY stupid to call someone a lier, when you are so full of the B.S. that Mark Fooks has put out to all of you AIR-HEADS that want to believe that he is "Jesus Christ" and that he would tell no lies! If your that Dumb, you better start checking out where you lies are coming from, if Larry Oglesby or Mike LeVault is telling you ANYTHING, then it is more than likely a lie or at least half-truth at best ..

If you would only open up your mind, you would see that "We the People" gang does not know what they are talking about, they are just repeating what Fooks & LeVault WANT you to hear! You know that Oglesby is a Puppet & only does what he is told to do or say..He should have NEVER been on the Council, and would NOT have been, if not for the old Council bending the rules to get him on the Council. He was NOT voted in on the Primary Election, He never had enough votes!! When he was put on the ballot for the General election, He only got the position, because he told everyone, that he believed in everything that Mrs Beck believed in, Thats how he got on the Council! Believe It Or Not!! And to this day, he still does NOT have a reason to be a CouncilPerson...And as far as I'm concerned Mike LeVault is Just Power Crazy, Period!!

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I wanted to confirm what Susan said since I'm the one who made and paid for out of my owe pocket for the sand and gravel pit signs. I already shared that information with councilman Michael Leija when he first started the rumor.

I have been following the comments and statements made, I don't know who you are Sue Storm but you are not listed in the phone book, so I would have to guess that's not your real name, it seems you have alot of first hand knowledge of the mayor and vice mayor.

I'm also the chairperson of the recall "We the People" and would be glad to show you the copies of documents we have from the city, or you can go to our website.

I care deepy about this town, and as someone that has seen first hand Youngtown at its finest hour, I also have witness it at it's darkest hour, I was there at the meeting firing Mark Fooks, and watched treatment of the residents who took time out of their lives to attend that meeting by the mayor and his 3 councilperson.

I beleive that great things can happen when people get invovled I believe that more input you get from those involved the better the end results will be.

A town is made up people and we have some pretty great ones here I have had the opportunity to meet councilwoman Rethford, councilwoman Chitton, councilman Oglesby, as well as some former council and mayors Youngtown has a great history of people working for the better good of the town.

And thanks for the comment made about the young lady. As mother of three boys the oldest turning 29 in November I appreciate it.

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There are several postings about this topic that I find pretty disturbing.

First, there is NO comparison between the amount of noise and dust that come from people riding ATVs and the amount of noise and dust that would come from a sand and gravel mine mere feet from homes. A mine would be noisy, dusty, and very unsightly. The fact is that no one in their right mind would want to live right next door to a mine. I don't like the one across the street either, I'd much rather see a horse ranch there, but a mine just feet from our homes is not what anyone would want. It's not a scare tactic for votes when the fact is that a mine on that property could become a reality. The Agua Fria Ranch HOA has been doing everything in our power since December of last year (when we were first informed of the decision to mine the property) to try to find an alternate solution for EVERYONE that is fair and realistic. We need the town's help on this issue- we are ALL a part of Youngtown and this mine would effect the entire town. Dust won't just blow across the street into Agua Fria Ranch, it would blow up the hill as well. Mines also create noise pollution, and this would also be a problem for the entire town.

Secondly, I am the Treasurer for the Agua Fria Ranch HOA, and we also work with a management company who reviews our financial records every month. The fact is that the signs showing support for no sand and gravel were NOT paid for by the HOA. I, as well as our mangement company, review every monthly bank statement showing every deposit and debit (including checks wrtiten) made from our accounts. If you have a reliable source that informed you that can prove that they were, I need to know. These signs were a private donation, and our residents have been informed that these signs were donated, and NOT paid for by their dues.

As for personal attacks on current councilmembers, as a resident of this town, I feel that turning the lights out at town hall immediately after a council meeting (before council members had even left their seats) is not very inviting. I don't know who turned out the lights, but I felt that doing so at the last meeting was very rude. I felt that was a direct message to "GET OUT". I have only seen Lucille Retherford, Margaret Chittenden, and Larry Oglesby stay after a meeting to speak with residents who have attended the meeting. The rest of the councilmembers can't seem to leave fast enough. I have spoken with the mayor once after a meeting, but find he also leaves soon afterwards. Being on council should also mean that you are accessible to your town's residents for their comments after meetings, whether you agree with those comments or not. As a councilmember, it is your job and duty to listen to what everyone has to say, not just to what you want to hear. Even if you don't want to hear what the residents have to say, how about just introducting yourself? Or saying "Hello", or even just smiling as you walk past? Enough of the personal attacks on current councilmembers and their backgrounds. How about talking more about what each one has or has not contributed to the town, and how they have voted on key issues?

Truth and facts will be what people base their vote on this November 7. Everyone will have to be accountable for how they have voted on council issues and how they have used their council position to better the town.

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Posted: Mon Oct 9th, 2006 01:56 am

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Yeah, I'll second that emotion--it's about time someone stood up to Hackbarth and his crew. They've done nothing but damage to Youngtown for all the selfish reasons.

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Posted: Mon Oct 9th, 2006 01:25 am

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Pappy, you and Sue Storm (or should I say a boy named Sue) are lying through your tooth--your facts are fiction and your goal is friction--you have trouble putting a coherent sentence together and your agenda has nothing to do with wanting what's best for Youngtown--just self gratification.

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There you go again shooting off you mouth about Mayor Hacbarth's wife doing "ALL" the work for the business they own. I happen to know that she DOES NOT do all the work, Bryan Hackbarth does 80% of the work & she helps when the occasion arises. The Mayor's wife is a wonderful, dedecated wife, who stays home to be a Mother to their children, too bad you cannot say that about your wife, if that who she is! What does she do, besides Meddle in "none-of-her-business" affairs? Maybe she dominates your affairs and your just a puppet, doing what she tells you to do! Maybe you are getting to much BAD info from Mark Fooks,You seem to be Dominated by someone!!

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Posted: Sun Oct 8th, 2006 05:56 pm

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Hey, screw-ball! The whole Recall is based on the person who gets the office of Mayor NEEDS to have a Council who will work as a team to Better the Town of Youngtown, with ^_NO Vendettas toward any one of the Council Members, like now! You need to rid the Council of the WILL DO NOTHING members, foe example, Larry Oglesby & Margret Chittenden! They both have a vendetta against the Mayor & will not vote for anything that Hackbarth, Champagne or Wiegand votes, For or Against, period!!! Now you tell me that is team-work! For example, they both voted NAY for a NEW business to locate in Youngtown, in the last Council meeting, CORRECT??? The town does NOT need those type of people, and YOU as WELL, running our town! I think that you should SELL your house, before the price of property in Aqua Fria Ranch goes DOWN. We do not need your kind, coming here & causing more problems than necessary!

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Posted: Sun Oct 8th, 2006 08:25 am

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Investigator wrote: As long as he is in office, he will continue to misuse town funds, and manipulate the system. This is why he chose to bring the town manager back (ex-Clerk), he feels that he has her in his back pocket, and if she wants to keep her job, I am sure that is the case.What a crock of horse manure - do you honestly think that? This is such a bunch of rhetoric. He didn't bring "the ex-Clerk" back. She accepted a position that was vacant. It was her decision to leave Goodyear and come back to Youngtown. Why?? Maybe she believes in the Mayor and Council and KNOWs the FACTs and TRUTH about what is going on because she asked questions and not listening to a bunch of ranting, mis-truths and "facts" being spewed forth by "We The People" and their minions.

People need to wise up and vote accordingly, or nothing will change in our town, corruption will continue and the Recall will be for nothing. Get out and vote people, this is your chance to take a stand.I think people are wise to you and "We The People" and Le Vault and his spouse. Your ranting of "nothing will change in our town" is just a scare tactic and is totally ridiculous. Get out and vote people is right - vote to keep the those that have been making changes in Youngtown by all the improvements, additions and cleaning house of those who DID NOT have the best intrest of Youngtown

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Posted: Sun Oct 8th, 2006 08:07 am

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writestuff wrote: Instead of going after Mr. Levault through unproven attacks against a relative, why not look at the man who is now representing Youngtown?

Obviously, you are nothing but a minion of Hackbarth’s, otherwise you would not be launching unsubstantiated claims against Hackbarth’s detractors.hmmm - lets look at YOUR unsubstantiated claims in the rest of your post

First off you have a mayor who signed away his rights as a parent to his first set of children in Wisconsin in exchange for not having to pay child support.I don't know about this one so will let it go for now

He doesn’t hold a real job. He may say he owns a cleaning company, but how often do you see him work? He’s too busy running around town, playing mayor and intimidating city hall staff. Well - lets see - a mayor running around the town he is mayor of - but yet there are those whom accuse him of not caring for the town - hmmm ... Now where are you FACTs that he is itimidating city hall staff - don't have any huh? Not one elected official in the West Valley has any respect for him. Do you want such a person to lead Youngtown?Talk about unsubstantiated claims! Well I for one would sure like to see the list of ALL elected officials in the West Valley that doen't have any respect for him. Just name one, any one - You don't have a list and can't name one can you? Just more mumble jumble. I happen to know several elected officials in the West Valley and have never heard such unsubstantiated claims as the one you post.

If you are really concerned about spending, check his expense records with the city.Will be doing that this week to see, but doubt that I will find any irregularities
Hackbarth lacks moral character to lead the city. He is in this job for himself.Your opinion, but lets explore it - lacks moral character - don't see it but I will venture to say you will enlighten us as to his lack of moral character. He is in the job for himself - hmmm you say he doesn't have a real job, but you see him running all over the town that he is Mayor. I have seen more improvements to this town in the short time he has been Mayor along with the current concil members then in the 23 plus years that I have lived in Youngtown - so I doubt that your unsubstantiated claim of Mayor Hackbarth being in this job for himself rings true.

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Posted: Sun Oct 8th, 2006 07:31 am

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writestuff wrote: Utterly confused, that you are. Until you get your facts right, regarding Mr. Levault's daughter, your innuendos border on libel.I don't know about LeVault's daughter or even if he has one, but whom else to know about bordering on libel then the "We The People" clan. They can dish it out but can't take it huh?

Here are the facts regarding Mayor Hackbarth:

Fact: He is unable to hold down a real job--his wife is the one who does all the work in their cleaning business. He lives in a home owned by his mother who lives in Sun City. Prove tha Mayor Hackbarth is unable to hold down a "real job" and that "his wife is the one who does all the work"So what if he lives in a home owned by his mother who lives in Sun City - The home he does live in is in Youngtown - What's your point, oh wait, you don't have one.

Fact: For those who question why Mr. LeVault and his wife don't share the same last name. Hackbarth has never taken his wife in public during civic events. Is he embarrassed of her?Have you been at EVERY event that Mayor Hackbarth has been at??? Prove that he has never taken his spouse to an event - besides what does not having the same last name have to do with taking a spouse to an event???

Fact: Hackbarth has a conviction for domestic abuse in another state, which has been well publicized in media accounts.Domestic abuse - hmmm I don't think so - Criminal Damage To Property, an unclassified misdemeanor, Wisconsin Statutes 943.01(1). Don't believe it - check http://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetails.do;jsessionid=E8669D1405203B71444139C80FDE5409.render11?caseNo=1991CM000682&countyNo=67&cacheId=1BCF0AECF4B1E46F549144F3534A7C66&recordCount=2&offset=1Fact: Hackbarth himself is clueless with the budget, review it yourself.Prove it - I don't see any proof for your "fact"

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Posted: Sun Oct 8th, 2006 03:28 am

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First of all the issue is not chittenden or anyone else. This is about Bryan Hackbarth so stop your worthless attacks. And talk about records, go check the employee complaints filed against Hackbarth. Check his expense records before you go off shooting your mouth on things you know nothing about.

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Posted: Sun Oct 8th, 2006 02:11 am

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That really surprises me, that you don't even know the backgrounds of your own cronies???

Just ask anyone that knew of her when she was an Officer for Youngtown! I hear that she was a Lousy cop, & they were glad to get rid of her...

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Posted: Sat Oct 7th, 2006 06:13 pm

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flongtimer, first you mention not to bring up things that are in the past but you contradicted yourself by mentioning chittenden. Ok then, why not ask Ken Champagne what his early release from probation was in 2003, It's in the court records. Oh, I forgot the mayor, a one-time deadbeat dad, who has a criminal record likes to be around other law-breaking citizens. Mike leija, etc...

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As for Ms Chittenden, I guess it takes a LOT of guts to stop a Fire Truck for speeding, especially when it is responding to a fire, Lights, Siren & Horn, all blasting away! Did you ever ask her why she didn't last too long as a Police Officer?

I haven't heard about that before now. Can you substantiate it?

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Posted: Sat Oct 7th, 2006 04:34 am

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If sand and gravel operations were not a concern why would the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors in 2005 unanimously voted to pass significant revisions to Rule 316 Nonmetalic Mineral Processing. The rule covers dust emissions that come from the rock products industry. That industry includes sand and gravel operations as well as concrete, asphalt, salt mine and brick operations.

As you stated, Maricopa County does have one of the most stringent dust control ordinances in the U.S.A. The pending sand and gravel operation would have to meet those stringent emission requirements, and it would be subject to regular inspections by the county.

No one regulates the dirtbikes and atvs that routinely race about in the riverbottom kicking up clouds of dust that far exceed anythng that would be emitted by a sand and gravel plant.

As I said, virtually no one in Agua Fria Ranch would even notice a sand and gravel operation in the riverbottom. All the "NO CHOKE" hysterics are just scare tactics designed to garner votes for LeVault and his crew.

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I would like to know why the three "We the People" Council members, Oglesby, Chittenden & Retherford, voted "No", to the couple wanting to put a Cigar & Wine Cafe in Youngtown? I would think that Youngtown would bend over backwards to get "New" business's to locate here and boost the towns revenue! If LeVault is wanting to be the Mayor, then he best hope that those three members are NOT on his Council As far as I can remember, Larry Oglesby has NOT don one thing to help the Town of Youngtown grow, or matter of fact, do anything, except, go to different functions with his wife, they eat, spend the night and leave the next day, not even staying for the classes, I guess he is already educated in that sort of thing, you know, that he was a truck-driver for years! As for Ms Chittenden, I guess it takes a LOT of guts to stop a Fire Truck for speeding, especially when it is responding to a fire, Lights, Siren & Horn, all blasting away! Did you ever ask her why she didn't last too long as a Police Officer? Between her work schredule & her pets she hardly has time to make the Towns Council meetrings & help with the Towns business. She really does NOT know what is going on around her. Now, Mrs Retherford. She a very sweet Lady, who means well, But, lets face it, she isn't what she use to be! Always asking questions that are not even relevent to the situation at hand.

Another thing Mr LeVault seems not to know, and is speculating about, Mrs Hakbarth! I know for a fact, that she joins the Mayor when-ever she can, But, you know they have a baby, (2 yrs old), to care for, plus the other 2 that are in school. I also know for a fact, that the Mayor Loves his wife & family a GREAT DEAL, and is NOT ashamed of her, or her family! THe problems that you brought up from his past, has been aired when Mayor Green & Mayor Hackbarth were vieing for the Mayors seat, you need not be dragging that up again.

One more thing Mr LeVault, I think that you are smart enough (?), that by now. you should know the reason" WHY", Mark Fooks was fired, matter of fact, you knew well in adcance the reasons why he was being fired, because you and your "Disciples" ordered printed signs, that were made & in your hands, BEFORE, the day Mr Fooks was fired. I believed that Mark Fooks gave you information, suiting him, fo get the Mayor, Mrs Champagne & Mr Wiegand, out of office! I think that you are still following Mark Fook's orders, ARE YOU??? Is he going to run Youngtown through & for you, IF, you get elected? Well, I do hope that I have not offended anyone of you that SHOULD know better, But, I guess if you Flunkies get in office, WE the People will rue the day it happened!!!

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Hey Longtime resident

[size=If sand and gravel operations were not a concern why would the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors in 2005 unanimously voted to pass significant revisions to Rule 316 Nonmetalic Mineral Processing. The rule covers dust emissions that come from the rock products industry. That industry includes sand and gravel operations as well as concrete, asphalt, salt mine and brick operations.]

[size=And why not ask the residents in Sun City and Sun City West whose health is affected by noise and pollution not only from the operations but from the trucks, ie. diesel fumes, that transport the material out of the facilities. Ask them if they have noticed that there is a mine near them.]

[size=You are clearly unqualified to make your statements. You probably think the earth is flat.]

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There is no spam and flame in the public forum when there are legal public records attesting to what kind of man the mayor is. Note that the case where a $ 5,475.00 judgment against Hackbarth from another state is STILL ACTIVE. And driving in an HOV lane was an infraction from last month. And don't forget he served a 60-day jail sentence. Although you may not consider them important, they are.

Too bad you don't like hard facts.

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Let's begin with your opening paragraph:

All the lies being spread are coming from one side--Hackbarth’s. Facts being put out by the recall committee have all come from documents obtained from town hall and are irrefutable. The three being recalled are the ones resorting to personal attacks and slurs

Now, let's examine your next paragraph:

Actually, Bryan Hackbarth has done more to the town of Youngtown, than for it. He has alienated just about everyone outside of Youngtown who might be in a position to help the town. His many shameful (or shameless) public displays have been embarrassing to say the least (calling our Firemen names in a public forum; cursing business men who come to meet with him and throwing them out of his office; calling our town employees names “c**t”, “fatty”, “old bitty”, as well as using inappropriate language “f***ing”).

Do the readers see the irony in the writer saying "all the lies are coming from Hackbarth's side", and that those "being recalled are the ones resorting to personal attacks and slurs"....and following that allegation with a paragraph full of lies, personal attacks, and slurs?

The commercial district has been allowed to deteriorate to the extent that it turns off prospective new businesses and shoppers, a dangerous situation for a town that derives much of its revenues from sales tax.

A nice load of innuendo, but notice that it is pure speculation. I have lived in Youngtown for many years, unlike the carpetbaggers, and I do not see ANY deterioration of the commercial district. However, your biased claim is as good as anyone elses baseless opinion..

The Mayor has driven the town into the dust financially, nearly exhausting any and all