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Posted: Tue Oct 28th, 2008 11:02 pm |
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This will be the last post until after the election. I did the same thing for the Primary. It is important that you look at all of the issues surrounding the 5th District, and not pay attention to the rhetoric shown here in these blogs. Many of these blogs more than likely come from the same person, but they are all the same. They tend to inflame the situation and do not stick to the issues. I have posted a number of times my position on the issues and why I think I am a better candidate than my opponent. Please check out my information on my website, http://www.friendsforjodysweeney.com. Email me: jody@friendsforjodysweeney.com. call meL 697-3778. write me: 846 Moose Lodge Rd, Cam-Wyo, DE 19934. All of this information is important to a resident in the district, and nowhere to be found on my opponents website, media ads, or campaign literature.
If you want continued development, schools, roads, and emergency services lagging behind infrastructure. If you want prperty taxes to incresae just to pay for that infrastructure. If you want developments out in the more rural areas of our County, then by all means, vote for Mr. Edmanson on November 4th. If these things bother you, and you want to change how Levy Court and the 5th District Commissioner represents you, vote for George Sweeney on November 4th.
It has been great posting and sparring with all of you. I am glad that you are all so invovled in the political process that you participate in the newest of Town Meetings in the forums. I will post again after the election. When I win, I will post to say thank you, then sign off to provide a better method of communications to the constituents in the District.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28th, 2008 04:02 pm |
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Nice try GATORS & IMNOONE I will NOT stop posting to suit YOU and the EDMANSON team. All you all do is post negative comments about Jody Sweeney. Trust me when I tell you we know who you are and people are tiring easily of your negative campaigning. So put your efforts into doing something positive for your candidate. As we know he really needs some help.
P.S. You might want to be careful and pay attention to your posting since you just said the same under GATORS name. HAHAHA BUSTED
see what happens when your post under 2 names......hahahha so BUSTEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
HEY GATORS & IMNOONE is the same PERSON
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Posted: Tue Oct 28th, 2008 03:35 pm |
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Hey HAP & Gators are u both that blind that you keep accusing Jody Sweeney of being me? Can you not tell the difference between screen names? So thick headed you are.
My screen name is Kentcitizen#5
Not Kent5thres.
This will be the last time I TRY and explain this to you. If you both are that ignorant that you can't tell the difference between 2 screen names you need to move on to something more productive to argue about. Are you getting that desperate that you are running out of bad remarks to make againt Mr. Sweeney?
Again your NEGATIVE campaigning is really making YOU and the EDMANSON team look REAL BAD!
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Posted: Tue Oct 28th, 2008 03:55 am |
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Since you seem to know Mr. Edmanson. let discuss issues, since he will not debate me. He has not choice but to run on his voting record, and my pointing out that record is NOT attacking:
1) Mr. Edmanson recently told the Kent Farm Bureau he voted against the Comp Plan because they were against it. He want to make sure their rights are protected. Is that not the opposite of slowing development down, maintaining open space, infrastructure before development? Which position doe she have? Property Rights for Farmers or Open Space? I am in favor of Open Space. I am in favor of forcing Developers to pay more for infrastructure through Impact Fees. I was and still am in favor of the Comprehensive Plan, focusing growth where infrastructure in and not in the more rural parts of our county.
2) In 2006, during the run for the At-Large seat, Mr. Edmanson was in favor of reassessment and increasing taxes for a short period (Whatever than means). Now he is opposed to reassessment, even if the State of Delaware legislates it. Which is it? When the State legislates reassessment, it is going to happen. I will be there to make sure it is fair and equitable for all in the county. I already know that MY property taxes will go up, so I have a vested interest in making sure it is fair.
3) WG says he voted for the Adequate Public Facilities Ordinances for bulk utilities, schools, roads, and emergency services. But, in 56 exemptions requests, he voted to allow 26 exemptions. That is 26 developments that will not have to address infrastructure. Of the 26, 23 were questionable and had a split decision, meaning it could have gone either way, or were tabled for more information. Is he for the APFO's or developers? I would have voted in favor of developers addressing infrastructure. Sooner or later, infrastructure is going to have to catch up to the current development, and SOMEONE is paying for it. Better it be them then the Taxpayers.
4) WG voted against the balanced budget because he says it does not do enough. What it did was contineu to provide services to the residents of the county without raising their taxes, including a 300% increase to Farmland Preservation, meaning open space. I would have voted in favor of the budget and started working with the Finance section on what we can do next year to avoid raising taxes.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28th, 2008 03:21 am |
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1. Can you prove that Mr. Edmanson ever spoke to this individual about your political beliefs? I don't have proof, just the word of the individual.
2. You continue to associate this individual with the Edmanson campaign. Do you have any information which would lead you to believe this individual holds a position within the Edmanson campaign? A committee person? A spokesperson? Treasurer? Campaign Manager? Anything? He is a close supporter of WG. He has big sign in the back yard along Rt 10. He followed WG to the VCF Ruritan when WG spoke to the club. At the club, he tried to bash me with some of my friends. Is that close enought for you?
3. Isnt it just as likely, you knocked on the door of a staunch Republican who simply doesnt like Liberals? No.
Finally, I think it irresponsible of you to bring your 15 year old daughter canvassing with you, when you have no idea what you will encounter when knocking on doors. I think it quite reasonable that you assumed the risk of encountering individuals that dont like Liberals and arent afraid to tell you to get lost. I want my children to be involved in the political environment. What I expect to encounter when I knock on a door is someone who has enough maturity to refrain from being ignorant, especially if there is a young person present. My kids are some of the most well-informed teenagers I know, and I am proud of that fact.
Lastly, is it really that hurtful for a 15 year old to hear that her Father supports gay marriage? I dont think so. What an absolutely ludicrous notion. My children are very progressive. During my conversation with the individual, I never stated my position, except to say that I never discussed my position with WG. But to state my position formally? I believe that the government does not have any business in controlling who gets married. That is an issue for the church. Did you know that as lately as 1880, the Supreme Court still held that a man could forcibly rape his wife? Thank God that we advanced as a society to change that position. I have studied marriage and the government has no business in religious matters.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28th, 2008 03:02 am |
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The man is not on the run. The man is right here. I will respond to both posts about me then nevermore, except the issues.
1) Hap McGee, Gators, RightWinger, Truth n Justice, my God, I hope your parents did not name you these names. How embarassing for you while you grew up. This is an old topic.
2) I was Mr. Edmanson's supervisor at OIS, and would not use my position at DelDOT to gain that information. Nor would I use it (its illegal). Threaten? yes, I apologize.
3) The information about previous commissioners is MY OPINION. I did not name any particular Past Levy Court Commissioner and because of that, no malice was intended to any one in particular. There are probably 120 past Levy Court Commissioners. If someone disagrees with my opinion, the NEWSZAP WebMaster has a recourse:
We believe that the public forum gives everyone a chance to express their opinions on local issues. If citizens disagree, we expect them to disagree without being disagreeable.
We hope individuals will speak to issues and not engage in personal attacks or “bullying” of other members. If the latter occurs and a complaint is sent to webmaster@newszap.com, members may have their registrations immediately withdrawn and be asked to seek out a different website to express themselves.
4) At the American Legion debate, September 25, WG patted me on the shoulder and thanked me for not letting the campaign get dirty. He had already taken it dirty by then with his comments to Mr. Bush.
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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 09:21 pm |
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gators wrote: So Jody Sweeney is in fact kentcitizen#5 after all... Surprise, Surprise.
Ha, I know, its such a shocker! Especially with such a valiant attempt at skullduggery on Mr. Sweeney's part.
But, with quotes like this from the man, what do you expect:
Mr. Sweeney's own words:
"I claim URKidding (started as a way to provide information about the campaign financing for Sean Lynn) and my own name. having been involved with computers all of my life, it is pretty easy to create an alias that can't be traced"
"TNJ, I started the kent5thres id, but turned it over to a friend after I had a discussion with the Mayor of Camden and use of the forums. I started using my real name for everything, but chose to create URKidding to make some points about Sean Lynn. I thought it would be better to remain anonymous."
"I am not asking for you to come clean, I would not have had I not messed up. "
And, most tellingly, and most duplicitously, Mr. Sweeney will have conversations with his aliases, and they'll even slap each other on the back:
"URK is right, though".
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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 08:55 pm |
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| So Jody Sweeney is in fact kentcitizen#5 after all... Surprise, Surprise.
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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 07:01 pm |
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Geez you people just continue your dirty politics don't you. Juging by the amount of posts and the fact that we are about 1 week away from the elections your campaign leaves a lot to be desired. EDMANSON is the POOR choice for Levy Court. Just look at all the empty promises. His record speaks for it's self. Mr. Edmansons people in his campaign have stooped to lies and hurtful accusations even against his children. Geez to have someone say the things to him with his daughter present just makes me sick to my stomach. How would he like someone to do that infront of his 2 daughters? You people are grasping at straws with your senceless attacks on him. Oh by the way you need to reread what names you stated he's posting under...LOOK closely at my name it is NOT.......kent5thres Again you people and you accusations GET THEM RIGHT!!!!!!!!
VOTE JODY SWEENEY 5TH DIST. LEVY COURT
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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 06:41 pm |
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I'll be glad when 11/05 comes!
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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 06:38 pm |
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You cant bury these critical questions with spam and propoganda Mr. Sweeney.
Clearly, we have hit a nerve folks - the man is on the run!
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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 06:36 pm |
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On November 4, 2008
Elect
George "Jody" Sweeney
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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 06:35 pm |
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We are victims of our own success.
The tax rate for Kent County is only $.25 on each $100 of assessed value. New Castle County's tax rate is $.455 on $100 and Sussex County's rate is $.445 on each $100 of 1/2 of the assessed value. Kent County's rate make it very appealing to live here if you have lived in the high property tax areas of New Jersey, New York, or Pennsylvania.
Tax-free shopping draws more than the occasional visitor from other states. It is also a draw for those looking to relocate to a lower taxed community.
The primary industry for Kent County is farming. In a report from Wikipedia, it is stated that 49% of Kent County land is agricultural. Kent County Levy Court has been applauded nationally for is Farmland Preservation Program and efforts to protect this way of life. This open space is another draw for residents to live in this county.
In a survey in 2002, the three most issues that Kent Countians felt were the most important were land use zoning, conserving natural resources, and traffic congestion. Six years later, and these issues are still a major concern. While the housing market is slowing down with the economy, we must add the following as issues that must be addressed by the County:
schools overcrowding and funding
fire companies are unable to cover their districts
Paramedics are unable to respond to multiple calls and must depend on the volunteer companies to back them up
State and Municipal police are unable to cover all their calls
Too many new sub-divisions have been approved to proceed without having to address the impact on their surrounding areas. That means that they will not have to contribute to fixing roads, build schools, or help our the fire companies. I promise to do everything I can to implement an impact fee on new houses and to strengthen the APFO's. When the economy recovers, whether in two, five, or ten years, our infrastructure must be ready!
I will be a commissioner who will represent the residents of our District and the county. I will not represent any special interest groups. I promise to continue to meet with residents, Homeowner Associations, civic organizations, and to hold regular meetings for all to attend to listen to their concerns and to discuss county issues.
In the past year, I have attended nearly every Levy Court and Wyoming or Camden Town Council meetings, as well as Regional Planning Commission meetings, Homeowner Association meetings, and community service organization meetings. As a Levy Court Commissioner, I will continue to meet with these groups to represent the residents of the 5th District. The role of the Commissioner is to represent their residents in every aspect of County business and activities and not just the once per week meetings.
Remember:
I am the only candidate raised here in Kent County, 48 years long, graduating from Caesar Rodney High School and Kent Vo-Tech in 1978. My wife Crystal Reed, graduated from Lake Forest in 1977. My history in the county is an asset when you consider that it is good to know where you've been to make better decisions about where you are going.
I am the only candidate who stood up in opposition of the Camden Comprehensive Plan, opposing the plan to annex Stonegate, Eagles Nest, Treybern, Sandy Hill, and Royal Grant. Camden ultimately dropped those annexations from their plan.
In a prepared statement recently at Candidates Night in Barclay Farms, MY OPPONENT publicly announced his home phone number. For the first 15 months of his term in office, his home phone number was unlisted. My home phone number has always been listed, included in my emails and printed material and will always be available for residents to call.
In a recent article about the upcoming elections, MY OPPONENT was listed as the Chief of Driver Services for the Division of Motor Vehicles. In fact, MY OPPONENT has QUIT his job to focus on campaigning for re-election. Putting effort into doing the job of commissioner should have started the day he took the oath of office in January, 2007, not with only three months left in office, and NOW expending the effort to WIN!
On November 4, 2008
Elect
George "Jody" Sweeney
for
5th District
Levy Court Commissioner
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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 06:27 pm |
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Correction...Mr. Sweeney did NOT bring this up I did. It is FACT Mr. Edmanson called this man and Instilled nothing but UNTRUE gibberish into his mind. And to take this out on him IN FRONT of his daughter is just plain NASTY!!!!!! As far as bringing his daughter out while campaigning...I saw EDMANSON with his 2 daughters last Friday night at the CR Homecoming handing out literature with his children. Would it have been ok with him had I walked up in front of his children and started yelling what a bad person he is in front of them? That would be uncalled for and we supporters of Mr. Sweeney would NEVER DO THAT EVER. All of your nasty posting will not change people minds. We will still vote to ELECT JODY SWEENEY and you will see who the residents want in the 5th dist.
So if Mr. Edmanson's watching or in fact this is him blogging under a fictitious name he want to tread lightly on his accusations!
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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 06:11 pm |
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kentcitizen#5 wrote: Mr. Edmansons people in his campaign have stooped to lies and hurtful accusations even against his children. Geez to have someone say the things to him with his daughter present just makes me sick to my stomach. How would he like someone to do that infront of his 2 daughters?
Mr. Sweeney,
You continue to bring this issue up, as if it has any merit.
1. Can you prove that Mr. Edmanson ever spoke to this individual about your political beliefs?
2. You continue to associate this individual with the Edmanson campaign. Do you have any information which would lead you to believe this individual holds a position within the Edmanson campaign? A committee person? A spokesperson? Treasurer? Campaign Manager? Anything?
3. Isnt it just as likely, you knocked on the door of a staunch Republican who simply doesnt like Liberals?
Finally, I think it irresponsible of you to bring your 15 year old daughter canvassing with you, when you have no idea what you will encounter when knocking on doors. I think it quite reasonable that you assumed the risk of encountering individuals that dont like Liberals and arent afraid to tell you to get lost.
Lastly, is it really that hurtful for a 15 year old to hear that her Father supports gay marriage? I dont think so. What an absolutely ludicrous notion.
Pay attention people, do you want this guy representing YOU?
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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 05:30 pm |
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We are victims of our own success.
The tax rate for Kent County is only $.25 on each $100 of assessed value. New Castle County's tax rate is $.455 on $100 and Sussex County's rate is $.445 on each $100 of 1/2 of the assessed value. Kent County's rate make it very appealing to live here if you have lived in the high property tax areas of New Jersey, New York, or Pennsylvania.
Tax-free shopping draws more than the occasional visitor from other states. It is also a draw for those looking to relocate to a lower taxed community.
The primary industry for Kent County is farming. In a report from Wikipedia, it is stated that 49% of Kent County land is agricultural. Kent County Levy Court has been applauded nationally for is Farmland Preservation Program and efforts to protect this way of life. This open space is another draw for residents to live in this county.
In a survey in 2002, the three most issues that Kent Countians felt were the most important were land use zoning, conserving natural resources, and traffic congestion. Six years later, and these issues are still a major concern. While the housing market is slowing down with the economy, we must add the following as issues that must be addressed by the County:
schools overcrowding and funding
fire companies are unable to cover their districts
Paramedics are unable to respond to multiple calls and must depend on the volunteer companies to back them up
State and Municipal police are unable to cover all their calls
Too many new sub-divisions have been approved to proceed without having to address the impact on their surrounding areas. That means that they will not have to contribute to fixing roads, build schools, or help our the fire companies. I promise to do everything I can to implement an impact fee on new houses and to strengthen the APFO's. When the economy recovers, whether in two, five, or ten years, our infrastructure must be ready!
I will be a commissioner who will represent the residents of our District and the county. I will not represent any special interest groups. I promise to continue to meet with residents, Homeowner Associations, civic organizations, and to hold regular meetings for all to attend to listen to their concerns and to discuss county issues.
In the past year, I have attended nearly every Levy Court and Wyoming or Camden Town Council meetings, as well as Regional Planning Commission meetings, Homeowner Association meetings, and community service organization meetings. As a Levy Court Commissioner, I will continue to meet with these groups to represent the residents of the 5th District. The role of the Commissioner is to represent their residents in every aspect of County business and activities and not just the once per week meetings.
Remember:
I am the only candidate raised here in Kent County, 48 years long, graduating from Caesar Rodney High School and Kent Vo-Tech in 1978. My wife Crystal Reed, graduated from Lake Forest in 1977. My history in the county is an asset when you consider that it is good to know where you've been to make better decisions about where you are going.
I am the only candidate who stood up in opposition of the Camden Comprehensive Plan, opposing the plan to annex Stonegate, Eagles Nest, Treybern, Sandy Hill, and Royal Grant. Camden ultimately dropped those annexations from their plan.
In a prepared statement recently at Candidates Night in Barclay Farms, MY OPPONENT publicly announced his home phone number. For the first 15 months of his term in office, his home phone number was unlisted. My home phone number has always been listed, included in my emails and printed material and will always be available for residents to call.
In a recent article about the upcoming elections, MY OPPONENT was listed as the Chief of Driver Services for the Division of Motor Vehicles. In fact, MY OPPONENT has QUIT his job to focus on campaigning for re-election. Putting effort into doing the job of commissioner should have started the day he took the oath of office in January, 2007, not with only three months left in office, and NOW expending the effort to WIN!
On November 4, 2008
Elect
George "Jody" Sweeney
for
5th District
Levy Court Commissioner
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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 05:27 pm |
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BIO
48 YEARS IN THE COUNTY!
Born October 10, 1960
Married to Crystal (Reed) Sweeney, 21 years
Four Children, Billy, Amy, Cameron, and Skyler
Two grandchildren, Cole (3) and Blake (2 months), and another on the way.
Educational History:
1978 GRADUATE OF CAESAR RODNEY HIGH SCHOOL
Caesar Rodney High School and Kent Vo-Tech High School (now Polytech High School) - 1978
Delaware Technical Community College, A.A.S. in Data Processing, - 1983
Wilmington College, B.S. in Business Management, Information Technology, - 1998
Work History:
26 YEARS OF PRIVATE AND PUBLIC WORK EXPERIENCE IN KENT COUNTY
1980, Burris Foods, Milford
1981, International Playtex, Dover
1991, State of Delaware, Office of Information Services
2001, State of Delaware, DE Department of Transportation
Since 1985, Accountant for Delaware Sewing Centers
Community Service::
ALMOST 25 YEARS OF COMMUNITY SERVICE [/align]
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[/*][align=left]Kent County Democratic Committee Treasurer |
Member of Central Delaware Democrat Club
Delaware Democratic Party Executive Committee
Member of Citizens for a Better Kent County
Member of VCF Ruritan, Viola, DE
34th District Democrat Club Committee
Polytech High School Head Soccer Coach (past Boys and currently Girls)
Polytech High School Craft Advisory Board
Member of Delaware Technical Community College Computer Advisory Board
Member of Wyoming United Methodist Church
Caesar Rodney High School Alumni Association
Past president of Polytech Wrestling Boosters (1993-1997)
Felton Little League Coach (1984-1992)
Camden-Wyoming Little League Coach (1996-2000)
Central Delaware Soccer Association Coach (1999-2002) [/list]
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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 05:13 pm |
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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 05:10 pm |
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Geez you people just continue your dirty politics don't you. Juging by the amount of posts and the fact that we are about 1 week away from the elections your campaign leaves a lot to be desired. EDMANSON is the POOR choice for Levy Court. Just look at all the empty promises. His record speaks for it's self. Mr. Edmansons people in his campaign have stooped to lies and hurtful accusations even against his children. Geez to have someone say the things to him with his daughter present just makes me sick to my stomach. How would he like someone to do that infront of his 2 daughters? You people are grasping at straws with your senceless attacks on him. Oh by the way you need to reread what names you stated he's posting under...LOOK closely at my name it is NOT.......kent5thres Again you people and you accusations GET THEM RIGHT!!!!!!!!
VOTE JODY SWEENEY 5TH DIST. LEVY COURT
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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 04:43 pm |
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Friends,
George "Jody" Seeeney cannot win the Levy Court Seat for the Fifth District. The simple fact is that the man is, in my humble opinion, unfit for public office.
Let's briefly examine the issues, using Mr. Sweeney's own words from this very forum.
1. Jody Sweeney creates, and has used, aliases on this forum, admittedly, to advance his vitriolic, and often defamatory, political agenda.
Mr. Sweeney's own words:
"I claim URKidding (started as a way to provide information about the campaign financing for Sean Lynn) and my own name. having been involved with computers all of my life, it is pretty easy to create an alias that can't be traced"
"TNJ, I started the kent5thres id, but turned it over to a friend after I had a discussion with the Mayor of Camden and use of the forums. I started using my real name for everything, but chose to create URKidding to make some points about Sean Lynn. I thought it would be better to remain anonymous."
"I am not asking for you to come clean, I would not have had I not messed up. "
And, most tellingly, and most duplicitously, Mr. Sweeney will have conversations with his aliases, and they'll even slap each other on the back:
"URK is right, though".
2. Jody Sweeney is a bully, and has threatened to use information gleaned from his supervisory position at DelDot to harm his political opponent.
Mr. Sweeney's own words:
"I have known Mr. Edmanson for nearly eight years. WG, do you REALLY want me to go into why you were hired at OIS or exactly what the Operating Room Shift Supervisors thought about your performance? As the Manager of that Division, I have that information for the years I was there, and have since discussed that very issue with those who worked for me, who you worked for. You choice.... [sic]".
3. When confronted, Jody Sweeney accuses, without any evidence, his critics of having committed crimes.
Mr. Sweeney's own words:
"Let me relay Mr. Edmanson's campaign strategy: 2) take down my opponent signs"
"I have lived in this county for 48 years. For the last 22, I have been heavily involved in the political environment and know exactly what happens. Look at a couple of homes owned by past Levy Court Commissioners and the driveway installed for another past Levy Court commissioner! Those are special interest paybacks for a job well done. Am I saying that Sean Lynn would do the same, absolutely not. I am saying that the historical precedence is there. Those Commissioners were funded by real estate special interests and they were justly compensated for turning the other way as the county open space was raped. "
Mr. Sweeney, accusing individuals of having committed a crime is libelous. You have not produced a shred of evidence to back up any of these allegations.
4. Mr. Sweeney "cries wolf".
Any individual can review Mr. Sweeney's posts, extending back for months, and clearly see how he likes his politics - DIRTY. Yet, of late, when his own actions begin to reflect poorly on him, he cries wolf and accuses his opponent (who has the good sense not to stoop to posting here) of dirty politics. Laughable.
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