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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 01:46 am

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The football team is done after the fall - the band goes on... The band doesn't "support" the other sports - ever seen them play at a basketball game, hockey game, tennis match? Me neither.

The average cost of an instrument is over $1,000 - not to mention the cost of the uniforms. Going to football games is just a portion of what the band does. The cost of the instrument is paid by the parents, not the school district. If all of the football parents want to pitch in to pay for instruments that are ruined in the rain, then hey I guess they could stay and play in the rain. My child didn't sign up to be in the band to watch the football game, they are in the band because of their love for music. Just like your child didn't sign up to play football so he could hear the band play.

It's a one way street - Parents support the art that their child is in. Football parents don't come out to support the band at their concerts or tournaments.

Committment to the band - my child has had to go to summer school two years in a row just to be able to take band as an elective. That shows committment to the band.

In the Fifth grade the students were asked if they wanted to play an instrument, if they wanted to learn music. They were never told that their sole purpose would be to support the football team in four years. It is just a part of what they do. They do their own thing also.

For the opinion to be that the bands only function is to support the football team is saying that their own interest don't matter, and they are a lesser being and their interest and their competitions just don't matter.

Best wishes to the Football team on Friday in the battle of the bell!

This will be my last post on this ludicrous forum; it is obvious that the supporters of football think that the whole world revolves around it. While it is an important part of high school sports, and i do support it and attend, it is not the main focus of the school system. Not every student should be expected to support the football program. It is afterall very one sided, because you rarely see crowds at any of the other athletic events other than the parents. It's about the education people.

Not even 50% of the high school football players will make a college team, but well over 50% of the band students will make a college band. A majority of those will have music as their major.

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Posted: Wed Nov 5th, 2008 03:30 pm

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as far as the band, i think its the total support that this district gives any extra-curricular activities. The student morale is low, staff morale is low, and definitely the communities' morale is low. There are fights in school and out of school. There are threats they have to deal with. Its sad. I agree that morale is low and that is across the board (not meaning the school board, but instead the students, staff and community). Unfortunately there have always been fights and there will always be fights. I don't see that changing. There are fights in all schools, it is a juvenile thing.

The boys have one more game to get through, and who knows - they could definitely pull off a win. So why don't everyone come out and support the players during the annual battle of the bell!!! Let's show them-the players-our support! Then the school can work on the head coaching situation. I hope that they do pull off a win, that would be an incredible way to end the season. I believe the battle of the bell normally receives alot of support from the students, staff and community. I hope that this year is no different in that aspect. Let's show the players in all arenas our support! It is up to the school to determine who is the best candidate for the head coaches, I hope they make the right choice next time around. Let's go Lake!

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Posted: Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 07:08 pm

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A few years ago, a play book from the highschool made it all the way down the line and the kids were taught the same plays.. I remember something like that a few years back. It looks as if that would be a likely path to follow.

as far as the band, i think its the total support that this district gives any extra-curricular activities. The student morale is low, staff morale is low, and definitely the communities' morale is low. There are fights in school and out of school. There are threats they have to deal with. Its sad.

The boys have one more game to get through, and who knows - they could definitely pull off a win. So why don't everyone come out and support the players during the annual battle of the bell!!! Let's show them-the players-our support! Then the school can work on the head coaching situation.

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Posted: Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 12:47 pm

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At this time Chipman does not have a marching band at all. They do not perform in parades like they used to. This year they didn't perform at the homecoming show like they used to do. As one of the band parents I wouldn't want my child out in the rain with their instrument regardless of what any other band does. I would be grateful that they left as soon as they could do so. I think it is totally ludicrous that other bands stay out in the rain. That is sheer stupidity. The band receives less, but about the same support, as the other organizations within the school district receive. It is primarily the parents of the students, that's all. The school district doesn't support their efforts. I am not sure what the bands main purpose used to be as you say it was football games and marching in parades. But that is not the case any longer. The band is there for their performance at halftime and to support the football team while they are there. The band no longer performs in parades. They are are competition band. The trend for bands is no longer marching in parades but performing in competitions.

But this post is about the football team and not the band.

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Posted: Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 09:55 am

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baseballfreak wrote: obviously you have never coached before. If these are the same kids that have come through the Chipman program than obviously the Chipman coaching staff is that good either. They should be running the same plays preparing them for high school. Just face it, high school kids priorities are alot different than when they are in Chipman. HUT, HUT, run to the ball and tackle the ball carrier. If the Chipman coaching staff is so good, the high school should be having some success. Lets investigate what the Chipman coaching staff is teaching first.
Baseball, I would have to agree with you to some extent. Dives are dives be it at high school or middle school, TE flare and cross routes are the same, counters are the same no matter what level, a 19, 18, 23,24,32 are all the same and lord knows what version of the passing tree they are using and or teaching. What is not the same and should be taught is the count sequence, silent counts, more than one play at a time, multiple plays and line sequence. Your correct with the HUT HUT theory as the typical cadence was Black 18 Black 18 HUT HUT. From a young age we taught kids silent counts, ball movement, multiple plays,(refer to armband) From the time they were 7 and able to start understanding this informtion they were given it. Plays from the highschool should be taught in the middle school as well as Pop Warner. A few years ago, a play book from the highschool made it all the way down the line and the kids were taught the same plays.. Perhaps ALL coaches should be on the same level. It works at Laurel, Sussex Central and Delmar, why cant it work here

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Posted: Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 05:27 am

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on all rain nites the band and cheerleaders have left at halftime, but the other schools bands and cheerleaders stayed and cheered/played in the rain! what i'd like to know is why? are lakes instruments/uniforms better than others? as for support, i am sure that all bands experience the same thing in terms of their classmates support (in the tournament of bands); but yet you still find them in the rain supporting their football team. and as far back as I can remember, the bands main purpose was football games and marching in parades. It was always a joy to a disciplined 'marching' band representing lake forest (middle school was especially delightful). since they don't march in parades any more (or just one or two), i guess thats the trend with lake-no more band participation at football games.

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Posted: Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 01:26 am

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obviously you have never coached before. If these are the same kids that have come through the Chipman program than obviously the Chipman coaching staff is that good either. They should be running the same plays preparing them for high school. Just face it, high school kids priorities are alot different than when they are in Chipman. HUT, HUT, run to the ball and tackle the ball carrier. If the Chipman coaching staff is so good, the high school should be having some success. Lets investigate what the Chipman coaching staff is teaching first.

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Posted: Sun Nov 2nd, 2008 03:45 pm

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All of which seems to point to a single fact -- only family of the ball players give a d**n about the players -- not the team.

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Posted: Sun Nov 2nd, 2008 02:15 pm

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but do the other school's bands and cheerleaders also leave or stay til the end of the game? i would think their instruments are the same as Lakes. it is an expected part of being a member of the band, to support the football team on game nites for the entire game. same for cheerleaders. its a shame that there is no support from fellow classmates.

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Posted: Sun Nov 2nd, 2008 01:09 pm

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The first game it was raining/pouring so yes they did leave after halftime. Do you realize how much their instruments cost? Do you realize what rain/water does to them? It's not a good combination. I am sure the band parents don't want to ensue the cost of repairing or replacing instruments because they were forced to sit out in the rain.

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Posted: Sun Nov 2nd, 2008 02:37 am

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But how many games did the cheerleaders and the band stay the entire game? I believe the first game that was played they all left at half time. How come? Do any other school's band and cheerleaders leave at half time? and aren't their leaders paid for this 'extra' activity?

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Posted: Sat Nov 1st, 2008 11:10 pm

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Correction - the high school band HAS attended ALL Friday night football games. With the exception of last Friday nights game in Woodbridge. That game was originally scheduled for Saturday, got moved to Friday due to the impending weather. It was a last minute change. The band performs in Tournament of Bands on Saturdays...How many people have gone to watch/support them there? Hmmm... NONE - except a few of the parents. That was quite a show!

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Posted: Sat Nov 1st, 2008 06:14 pm

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Ahh almost forgot... Laurel= No Middle School program, again why the Bulldogs Pop Warner program is so strong...

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Delmar= No Middle School, that is why thier Pop Warner Programs are so strong, Indian River, No Middle School, again why Lower Sussex Pop Wanrer is so strong, Smyrna- No Middle School, again why Smyrna- Clayton Pop Warner is strong.

Im sure if those schools had programs, Lake's Middle school would be playing them.

And while on the subject- Great game Thursday night Chipman with the total destruction of Milford. I was suprised how many people Chipman drew minus the band, it looked like a friday night game... oh wait the HS band doesnt always attend them either...

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I agree that Chipman has a wonderful record. However, they do not have the same schedule. They don't play Delmar, Laurel, Indian River, or Smyrna. They play CR divided by three. Therefore, there is truly no comparison between the two schedules. Coach Johnson and his coaching staff have had to deal with quite a number of problems outside of football with particular students over the last two years. Also, if you tracked the players in 8th grade to when they are seniors. They may have been wonderful in middle school, but struggle to improve to a varsity level. In addition, how many quit school, end up in jail, or become academically ineligible? Parents, you can't blame that on coaches.

Also, the JV team did not have a better record than the varsity last year. They also won one game. The Varsity has won two games so far with hopefully a win this week. The JV record stands at 4-3-1. So, there is a little bit of improvement this year. Rebuilding a varsity football program takes time and everybody wants instant results. I think this third year is showing improvement and next year will be even better.

I think it's easy to be a sideline coach until you're in the trenches.

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Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 10:23 pm

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It was my thought exactly, having wtc staff move up. but would they (the WTC coaches) be able to carry on what they have been. Nothing against those coaches, but it is a step up. from what i've personally seen and continue to hear, i have no doubt they may be able to step it up, and that would mean they'd have to change some of their coaching techniques - this is another level of coaching. anything is better than what is happening at the HS level this year...and the past 3 years. but is will be starting over with a whole new coaching staff.

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Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 10:19 am

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We have all beat the horse, the boys know it the Administration knows it.. What we are missing is the program that IS working, and working like a well oiled machine...

Chipman Football... these boys are one win away from ANOTHER undefeated Henlopen conference schedule.. thats right all the same kids that move on to the high school who have attitudes and no talent are going to be undefeated again.. oh but wait its not a coaching issue at the high school....

Give them support, next game is 6 pm Thursday October 30 at LFHS under the lights... Vs. Milford "the real " battle for the bell. At least these young men are well coached and know the meaning of victory.. pack the stands its a much better version than the games we watch on friday nights..

Selhiemer and staff... move up a notch.. take your 30-5 record to the highschool... :dude:

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Posted: Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 12:53 pm

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Wow, you hit the nail on the head. Part of the problem with Lake is hiring faculty before anyone else. THis does not necessarily hire the right person for the job.

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Posted: Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 11:48 am

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I totaly agree with you bluesman. my concern is how long does one keep a coach in place? time needs to be given to work on problems within a team, but improvement should be made, even just a little from year to year. Congrats to the JV coaches and their JV team. Something seems to be working there. The JV team is coming along with their season and seem to improve each game (even if its just a little). It looks as if the JV coaches learn right along with their players in terms of learning from each other and working together to make good things happen. Those coaches are the ones that the other coaches should learn from.

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Posted: Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 11:33 am

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If these same players have played on the JV teams and other teams winning games and having good seasons, you can't say it's the players. They are the same players when they reach the varsity level and the team goes to hell.

That is clearly a coaching issue and it occurs at all levels including the professional level.

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Posted: Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 04:10 am

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Sounds like any other sport. There are more coaches on the outside of the fence than inside the fence. The bottom line is that these kids are so undisciplined. They are more concerned about their image, " I'm cool, I'm good". In reality they are less than average. The kids play the game and when they fail to EXECUTE, its all the coaches fault. WRONG, teach your kids the be the best they can be on and off the field. Bring out your master playbook with all the right plays. Let me tell you, it only takes one play for the whole game. If you don't execute better than the other team, YOU LOSE.   I'd think twice before blaming the coaches.

I do think the district needs some new coaches and maybe they should look for more than just teachers filling coaching positions. There all many qualified coaches within the district that are not teachers.

NO GUTS, NO GLORY !!!!!!!!   Kids bust your butts and quick worrying about the image.

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Posted: Tue Oct 21st, 2008 10:37 am

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That just proves that it isn't the kids that are bad...it's the play calling/coaching.

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Posted: Tue Oct 21st, 2008 04:07 am

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for the last two years the JV teams have had a better season than the varsity teams. (and it looks as if that is also happening again this year). if the JV teams of the last two years had better seasons than the varsity, then why when they move up to varsity their seasons do a complete about-face?

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A young team? Is that the excuse for winning one game last year? Is that the excuse for winning one game two years ago? Or is it just an excuse for bad calls?

Can you really compare a team that is comprised of a large majority of freshman and sophomores with a team that has 10-13 returning seniors?

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Just to let you know there are volunteer football coaches on the staff. Not all of the coaches are paid. They do it because they love the sport, care about the kids, and love coaching. I realize when you have some losing seasons that parents are going to get frustrated and begin complaining. Everyone needs to realize that this is a very young team. If you watch the commentators on the Comcast channel when they tape our games, that is always their comment. These kids will improve as they get older. Can you really compare a team that is comprised of a large majority of freshman and sophomores with a team that has 10-13 returning seniors? I think everyone owes it to the boys who go out there every Friday night to give them our support. That includes the support from the band and the cheerleaders. Gee, I can't remember cheerleaders having to leave the game when it rains when Nicki was the coach. Keep your heads up boys-things will get better!

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I think it would be fair to say the Principals, Athletic Director on down know what's going on and nothing has been done.

its fair to say that the AD on up are usually present too (there are always a few board members present).

Why haven't the players collectively tried something to bring some attention to the situation?

I believe they have tried to talk to the coach(s). But when you have a coach who doesn't listen to his assistant coaches, he's certainly not going to listen to the players. And I know there have been parents speak out to the coaching team (now if they spoke to the 'right' coaches I have no idea-or it may have been a case where it fell on 'deaf' ears). You are right, unless parents ban together and approach the school (coaches, principals, etc.), nothing will be done. SO parents, get together... Call a parents meeting!

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double deuce wrote: what is amazing is that most of that chain are attending games, have got to be aware of the actions on the field, and is also very aware of the concerns...yet...

Do Nothing .

I think it would be fair to say the Principal, Athletic Director on down know what's going on and nothing has been done. Time to stop pussy footing around and go to the Superintendent or take it public to the newspapers to get attention. People have to step up to the plate and do the right thing for their kids.

What message are they sending to their kids if they know something is going on and don't try to correct it.

To me that is sending a defeatist attitude message, why try to change things, nothings changed so far.

Why haven't the players collectively tried something to bring some attention to the situation? It's better to be a champion and make a stand to try to correct a serious problem, then to be repeatedly handed your arse on the playing field due to poor leadership.

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what is amazing is that most of that chain are attending games, have got to be aware of the actions on the field, and is also very aware of the concerns...yet...

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Often enough, that depends on who you are as to where you start... please don't misunderstand, I know exactly what you're saying.

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Two Cents wrote: double deuce wrote: Like everything else, there are chains of command you have to follow, starting with the athletic director, and there have been complaints made in regards to the issues you see in this post.

Double Deuce -- Following the "chain of command" is an imperative incumbent upon only those who are a part of that chain of command -- not those outside it. You can go straight to the top with a complaint.
Especially in light of the fact of the racial allegations, the chain of command goes out the window. That's just an excuse.

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double deuce wrote: Like everything else, there are chains of command you have to follow, starting with the athletic director, and there have been complaints made in regards to the issues you see in this post.

Double Deuce -- Following the "chain of command" is an imperative incumbent upon only those who are a part of that chain of command -- not those outside it. You can go straight to the top with a complaint.

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Well now let's see...the football players go out week after week and get their butts kicked in humiliating fashion...what do the cheerleaders have to cheer about? What does the band have to play about? The band doesn't really get a chance to play since the other bands are continuously playing due to something good that their team has done. I feel for the kids, the band students, the cheerleaders, the students watching, the parents of anyone involved, the alumni that go out to support them, but most of all I feel for the players that go out week after week to endure the punishment. Come on Lake administration it is time to do something about this! These are the same kids that had winning seasons at Chipman...they could beat teams then but move on to the High School and they can't do it? Think about it... it's not the kids faults... it's the coaches!

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Why is it you and the other parents can't seem to muster up enough of you collectively and raise these issues up at a school board meeting. Draw up a petition send it to the school board and get on the agenda at the next meeting instead of moaning and groaning. If you really care about the kids then something would have been done already.

Like everything else, there are chains of command you have to follow, starting with the athletic director, and there have been complaints made in regards to the issues you see in this post.

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I have to agree with the enthusiasm in the players is gone.I have sat in the stands for years and NEVER have i been more disappointed with Lake Forest than NOW.The band people don't play like they used to( they go off and eat more than they play), our cheerleaders are not as enthusiastic as they used to be(it looks like they don't even want to be there).WHAT has happened to LAKE FOREST!!!!!!I just happened to watch the boys coming off the field and u could just FEEL the pain.I heard the hollering from the coaches, something is just NOT right. I don't claim to know much about football but we have ONLY won 3 games in 3years!!!!!!!SOMETHING isn't working right!!!!!!!!!!Come on here it doesn't take a scientist to figure that CHANGE needs to be DONE NOW!!!!I want to see the PRIDE back at Lake Forest Dr.Curry!!!!!!!!!!

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double deuce wrote: A problem which the administration and board only can do somthing about.

Why is it you and the other parents can't seem to muster up enough of you collectively and raise these issues up at a school board meeting. Draw up a petition send it to the school board and get on the agenda at the next meeting instead of moaning and groaning. If you really care about the kids then something would have been done already.

If your not part of the solution then you are part of the problem.

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whatever happened to utilizing all your key people, such as the defensive coach, offensive coach, quarterback coach, etc.....? there are coaches positioned in the press box with headphones to relay what they see on the field-which is only an advantage-why not use their advice? The coach could take on a less controlling position, see what the other coaches can do on their own... this wouldn't necessary be admitting failure as a coach, but learning how to use his resources. Why not listen to what the players are seeing on the field and using their advice (there are obviously some talented, experienced players)? There are many options to try and turn this season around, why not use them? The coach really needs some help. If he's refusing to take any advice from or using his resources, then there is definitely a problem. A problem which the administration and board only can do somthing about.

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For the last three weeks we have endured a thrashing. Many of us in the stands being either coaches or parents of players endured the feeling while another program was in its infancy. We saw our kids come home upset, expressed our feelings to the staff and lo and behold after the first two seasons the program became a winner.

This staff is in its third year. I saw last night the same thing I saw a few years ago in the kids faces. Lackluster, glazed over "why the hell am I getting beat up every Friday night over this". They are not being coached, they are lambs being led to the slaughterhouse week after week. One coach, who has been with the Lake program for YEARS is totally miffed with play calling, defensive line ups, and the inability to succeed. He coached in both programs and has a plethora of wins as well as championships under his belt.

Why, when they are 8-13 years old, can they be given plays in advance, refer to their arm bands and continue to catch the defense off guard. It seem our current coach has no trust in his ability to send or give hand signals to let the commander do his job. The current quarterback has the ability, and has shown it time after time in his 9 years of play. If he could do it when he was 8, he can do it at 16-17 years of age. The talent on the field is not the problem, many of the players have 7-10 years of playing time... and they won for their coaches in the past against the same opposing players...

GET A GRIP School board members.. you renewed a contract to ensure FAILURE in the program, unless thats what a certain AD wanted....

Give a man a fish he eats for a day... TEACH him to fish he feeds a village...

TEACH AND GUIDE OUR BOYS , isn't that what your paid by the taxpayers of the LFSD to do or are you just another one of the, as Steve Miller sang... "Take the money and run".

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Posted: Sat Sep 27th, 2008 05:06 am

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at the present time, i don't think anyone could do any worse than those coaching right now. i feel bad for the players, and the fans support and the players dedication to the sport are the only thing keeping them (the players) going right now. and after tonite, i am sure their dedication is hanging by a thread...

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Posted: Fri Sep 26th, 2008 05:45 pm

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1) Promote Chipmans Head Coach to the Highschool, as he is a REGUALR teacher and appears to have a way to communicate with the players getting all he can get out of them.

2) "Visiting Teacher" what exactly IS a visiting teacher. In order to hold the head coaching slot, you must be a teacher, Mr. Johnson is listed as a "visiting teacher" what exactly is this, why do we (LFSD) have this position, was it created just for him, what are the parameters setforth for this position and lastly is he truely quialifed to hold this slot with his domestic history.

3) Many of players have gone a stray with great potential under this current program. Players who have shown great potential to succeed in life elect to go to other schools, get involved with activities that hinder thier educational success ect.

4) Chipman since 2003 under the current head coach has a 27-5-1 record. Chipman has never forfieted a season. The same players at Chipman play the same boys from Dover, CR, Woodbridge, Cape as well as other schools. If The Jr High coach can take many boys who have never played before and have a winning program WHY when these boys get to High school do we have the current situation.

5) The High school for the last 4 years has been given players with a winning attitude, the knowledge of the game and thirst to win.

A change must be in the wind, prize posession visting teacher or not. The school board needs to wake up. Unless they feel a card game will be played.

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Posted: Thu Sep 25th, 2008 06:36 pm

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While I agree with most of you - the football program at Lake is horrific. I am also in agreement that the players morale must be down...how else could it be? They played one okay game and then had 2 shut outs. I overheard someone at the game make a comment and I have to believe it - "Lake was simply outcoached"... Now that's a statement! The football progam at Lake didn't used to be this week...but then again there were different coaches that possibly made better decisions - Where are you Falasco and Fleming? Lake really needs you back!

Not to get off the subject of this forum - but I was told that Lake is having a School Board meeting tonight... Maybe someone should go to discuss their concerns?

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Posted: Wed Sep 24th, 2008 11:41 am

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A 65% (F) is not a passing grade in any public school in the State of Delaware that is the law, so you are not being truthful about Milford's 65% being a passing grade.

(Some school districts have adopted the policy a teacher may NOT give lower than a 65% for the final grade of any quarter, but it is NOT a passing grade).

Big Difference

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Posted: Wed Sep 24th, 2008 03:48 am

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You have insinuated that my main concern is athletics and not academics, was "willing to bet I was one of the parents that denied there were any drug issues at LF "

and that your "daughter just graduated from Milford this year and your wife taught their briefly Milford's passing grade is not 60-65 as you claim it is 70 in all classes, including exploratory subjects such as foriegn languages." When in fact, Milford's passing grade is indeed 65%.

and you stated that you weren't as involved in your daughters injury Because she was 18 years old she based her decisions on what the trainer was giving her for advice.

Seems to me that you aren't as involved or concerned in areas where you need to be. You put down Milfords athletic trainer because your daughter was 18 and made her own decisions about playing soccer; your daughter just graduated and her passing grade was not 60-65 as I claimed-when indeed the passing grade is 65-your daughter just graduated-how do you not know your daughter's schools passing grade? as far as the drug issues and the football team, you weren't there and have no idea what you're talking about.

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Posted: Wed Sep 24th, 2008 03:27 am

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I'm willing to bet you were one of the parents that denied there were any drug issues at LF either, which has already been mentioned as well.

Quite the contrary, Bluesman! LOL

BTW what is this higher grade standard you claim LF athletes have to make over Milford ?

As I stated before:

DIAA standards state that a student is NOT eligible if:

If you do not pursue a regular course of study and pass at least five credits per marking period (equivalent of four credits in junior high/middle school), two credits of which must be in the areas of Mathematics, Science, English, or Social Studies.* IF YOU ARE A SENIOR, YOU MUST PASS ALL COURSES WHICH SATISFY AN UNMET GRADUATION REQUIREMENT. (Reg. 1008.2.6.1; Reg. 1009.2.6.1)

*MILFORD HIGH SCHOOL’S PASSING GRADE IS A 65%. I personally got that number from a High School Teacher just yesterday.

Lakes passing grade is 70%. DIAA standards simply state "pass" 5 credits, two of which must be in the 4 core subjects per marking period to be eligible to play sports. Lake upped their district eligibility to passing w/a 70% in ALL classes and maintain a 75% across the board.

I believe there are only two schools in the state that enforce a higher standard than the DIAA standard-Lake and Salis.

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Posted: Wed Sep 24th, 2008 02:27 am

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double deuce wrote: LOLAU
If you don't think that athletes including football players get "free passes" from academic standards or discipline issues you don't have a clue what goes on in public schools,you've obviously never taught. So you hold on to your delusional beliefs that everything is on the up and up. I'm willing to bet you were one of the parents that denied there were any drug issues at LF either, which has already been mentioned as well.

Just like your comment about someone teaching one class (1 hour) might put your child in jeopardy. Yet now here you want teachers to volunteer their free time to coach, is a great idea.

How is it you don't feel the additional duty and time requirements of coaching will effect their teaching and preparing the curriculum to teach their students which is after all what they are paid to do ?

BTW what is this higher grade standard you claim LF athletes have to make over Milford ?

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Posted: Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 10:40 pm

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LOLAU

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Posted: Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 08:13 pm

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double deuce wrote: sorry bluesman, i read right over that. it pertains nothing to the Lake Forest Football team; and that (teachers pay, twilight program, etc...) is not my interest in this particular thread.
Of course not, so what if football players are being allowed a free pass to participate in sports as long as they get to play. That's all you care about is the athletics.

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Posted: Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 07:30 pm

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sorry bluesman, i read right over that. it pertains nothing to the Lake Forest Football team; and that (teachers pay, twilight program, etc...) is not my interest in this particular thread.

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Posted: Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 01:32 pm

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double deuce wrote: I have know idea what you're talking about
How many times have I asked you to keep to the topics of the threads you post in?

Posted: Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 06:40 am

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"Lake Forest has infuriated me in recent years with their "free passes." It's all about NCLB, and the stupid graduation rates. We started this program up called "Twilight" for students that couldn't pass their regular classes. Kids can go in after school, take their courses on the computer, and get their credits. It's a total joke. We had a kid two years ago that didn't pass any of his regular classes that year, including mine. He was still able to walk at graduation. It was the biggest joke ever. To top it off, he acted like a total jerk during the ceremony."

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