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Posted: Sat Oct 11th, 2008 10:38 pm |
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| It's 5:30 p.m. hopefully everyone is at the game watching and supporting the Huskies. Support the teams, thats what is important. I wonder how many screen names some people have? Because some of the language in the replies sound like the same person talking, only under a different name. And,, maybe no other parents spoke out at the meeting because they didn't have any problems to speak of.
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Posted: Sat Oct 11th, 2008 08:37 pm |
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As far as Lisa's situation it is in the hands a private Attorney, so that may be why no public apology has come from anyone within the government in Harrington.
What I don't understand is this.
If all the parents who had children in HPR feel they got screwed why haven't they joined together and started a petition, gone to the newspaper, or contacted the State Attorney General's office ?
Until accountability is demanded of government officials by the taxpayers there won't be any, at any level. We are a vitale part of the equation of checks and balances in our democracy.
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Posted: Sat Oct 11th, 2008 06:18 pm |
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| LOL I can't! I am not a resident of Harrington. Just a past supporter of HPR who would like to see Harrington become more responsible in the decisions they make and how they carry them out; so that things like this don't keep happening. It sounds as though you, like the counsel; hope this problem is fixed. The town and surrounding communities (because HPR serves them too) deserve to know what really happened within the program. I don't believe its fair to just let it go, when what happened to Mrs. Obermire was not fair. The town did not follow their own procedures regarding greivance timelines. The mayor even confirmed that. So who's liable for that? There has never been a public apology to Mrs. Obermire; which is the LEAST the counsel could do.
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Posted: Sat Oct 11th, 2008 03:07 pm |
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| Well then, it seems as though you need to abandon this battle as one that eventually had most of the outcome you would have liked, and now take up the project of identifying capable and interested people to elect to the council at the earliest possible date.
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Posted: Sat Oct 11th, 2008 02:30 pm |
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possibly. but i dont wonder about the 'ifs' any longer. i was a supporter of this person for many years. i was involved in HPR way before it became HPR; when everything was run by volunteers. i've seen first hand what has evolved over the years, and i do not like what has happened. i did question things back then too. but it became a pattern for this person to smooth things over and say one thing and do another. what angers me though, is what its took to look into allegations and how long it finally took for this to happen. all of this could have been prevented, if the city has taken a more interested stance on this program before they started paying someone to run it. the city turned deaf ears on the problems way before they hired him. that doesn't make good sense to me; there were other more qualified candidates interviewed.
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Posted: Sat Oct 11th, 2008 12:29 pm |
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| In spite of what you say you know, don't you have to wonder what there may be that you don't know -- just maybe something that, if only you knew it, would color everything differently? I am not suggesting that there is such information out there, only that it is posible.
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Posted: Sat Oct 11th, 2008 04:17 am |
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| I know for sure what the Mayor stated at a public meeting. I am also sure that there is proof to part of the allegations being stated-which will not be made public because of an investigation being done. There is also proof in the greviances that were filed; but as yet to be addressed. Unless of course, the person was asked to move on so as not to create any more chaos.
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Posted: Sat Oct 11th, 2008 12:51 am |
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| double deuce -- you used at least one completely correct term in your last post --- allegations. Until there is some credible evidence produced, allegations is exactly the appropriate term. If people wish to continue to hammer at this subject, I would think that somebody had better have some proof that something is going on, indeed.
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Posted: Fri Oct 10th, 2008 07:57 pm |
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the mayor stated at a meeting that there were no formal procedures to follow with some of the "going ons" in HPR; the excuse - because it was newly formed-in regards to having paid employees-a whole new department formed. Therefore, there was no tracking procedures in place while money was flowing in and out of HPR.
I also believe that there were descripancies in fees that were collected as cash payments and the actual deposits. Since there were no safeguards in place, such as having two signatures on any money coming in and being deposited; money will probably turn up missing. All you have to do is the math, ie. cheerleaders pay a monthly fee, times that by their payments each month and compare to the deposits. That occurs in each and every function the HPR provides. Granted, these are things that I have heard, but they were heard through reliable sources. With the mayor stating that procedures needed to be developed, proves there is a very big chance that the allegations above occured.
My concern is that the city cousel will keep this as low key as possible once all the audits have been done. They don't want the publicity of making bad decisions again. I was suprised when I went to this website (http://auditor.delaware.gov/Audits/FY2007/Special%20Investigations/LLB083609%20City%20of%20Harrington%20Report.pdf) and read what the state's report said in regards to the investigations that took place in regards to the $800,000+ being stolen by the finance director. The report is very informative and gives a person the sense that the city really screwed up on this one. and it seems logical that the same thing COULD have happened with HPR. Simply, someone doesn't know the proper procedures of running a city. Obviously, we can all see that they don't even follow the procedures they have - in regards to Mrs. Obermire's greivances.
Also, there is no job description as to what the Director of HPR was responsible for. I have heard that this is changing though.
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Posted: Fri Oct 10th, 2008 01:11 pm |
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double deuce wrote: so just because he has moved on, the city counsel will be able to slide any remaining audit findings right under the rug. this is just an easy out for them. they are hoping that this all dies down, so no one really knows what he did; they don't want to be linked to anything involving missing money, misappropriations, misconduct, etc. etc.... again.
So, has anybody made it their business to appear before the council, formally, and state "what he did"? Absent some plausible assertion that "he did something inappropriate", what would inspire that council to go hunting for wrongdoings? If people actually have knowledge of something, they owe it to the community to go before the council and state what they know -- otherwise they are simply guessing and they know it.
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Posted: Fri Oct 10th, 2008 02:42 am |
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| so just because he has moved on, the city counsel will be able to slide any remaining audit findings right under the rug. this is just an easy out for them. they are hoping that this all dies down, so no one really knows what he did; they don't want to be linked to anything involving missing money, misappropriations, misconduct, etc. etc.... again. Last edited on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 02:45 am by double deuce
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Posted: Thu Oct 9th, 2008 12:41 pm |
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Imatdabeach - you really should have left it will just your congratulations. You are now casting stones without any true knowledge of what you are talking about. Unless you know the other people involved in this matter (which I am sure you are close with just the one) than you truly do not have all the facts.
There were legimate allegations made and I do not believe anyone has said anything about no legal representation. You are assuming and we all know what that makes you. It sounds as though you are getting your misinformation from someone who has no clue. Believe me, I am sure that everyone involved had better things to do than deal with the mess that was created by the one in charge.
Your also assuming that the one person who spoke out - Mrs. Obermire - would seek to apply for Mr. Porter's position. Have you lost your mind? If she wanted his job don't you think she would have stayed on in her position and not been as vocal? Mrs. Obermire is a good person so do not cast your stones as if she did something wrong. You for one do not know what happens behind closed doors. Everyone has their own tale to tell as I am sure HE has spun his version.
Let him move on - many of us are very happy!
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Posted: Thu Oct 9th, 2008 01:20 am |
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| I really thought everyone would be happy to see him move on. I know he has been waiting for this job for over a year. And I guess I missed something along the way, but if there was a legitimate "legal investigation" I doubt very much he would have been hired by the school. I know there were bogus accusations, that would not stand up in any court, and that is why no legal representation could be obtained. It seems to me if everyone thought he had committed such a crime, they would have attended a meeting and voiced their opinion. Many people attended, but no one bothered to speak against him, except one person. I think that says it all. Some people have nothing better to do than to keep trouble and law suits. Let the man go to his new job in peace. After all, he has been convicted of nothing. Lets just hope that Harrington is careful who they hire. If someone wants someone elses job bad enough to cause this much trouble, I would be very concerned about hiring them, and be worrying about their motives.
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Posted: Wed Oct 8th, 2008 12:09 pm |
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My point at the start was to let the matter rest. It is not fair at this point to jump on the rumor train to nowhere and start all the mud slinging again. Many people stated previously that they wanted him to leave. So for crying out loud what is the plan now – to hunt him down where ever he goes and never give him the chance to live his life with his children and wife in peace. Mr. Porter has made a personal commitment to move in a new direction. I would hope that people are not so shallow, and callous that they can not just leave him alone. Personal feelings aside – a page has turned – can’t people just let him go in peace. Why too would people feel so entitled to bash a small private school? He is a parent of 2 children at the school – do you for sure know that he is even being paid to take on this new role. I am one of 2 people who have been very closely involved with this matter since the onset – and I am telling people - everyone it is time to move on. With that said no one has the right to perpetuate rumors that you heard – or misinformation that you think is the truth. Since I know that people did not talk at Council meetings etc… I think it is unfair to continue this rhetoric now as Mr. Porter embarks on a new job. Finally, the school does not need to have the mob mentality come and attack it. Or screen named crusaders come to its rescue. I am hoping that this blog will too be taken down as the last one was because people do not respect the boundaries that were established here.
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Posted: Wed Oct 8th, 2008 10:45 am |
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seek2cfaith wrote: As far as Mr. Porter is concerned it is rather easy to cast stones when you hide behind a screen name. No one came before the Council to voice any concerns or questions when the opportunity was there with one exception - so I fail to see why you can justify your actions here.
Let this whole matter rest, leave the school alone and let Mr.Porter pursue his life as God shall lead him.
Atypical that no one showed up at any meetings. As you stated it is so much easier for people hiding behind a computer screen to hurl the innuendos.
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Posted: Wed Oct 8th, 2008 03:48 am |
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When you are humble - it is because you rely on God and the result is God's Power.
When you are a visionary, it is because you set goals and the result is a High Morale.
When you are convictional, it is because you do choose to do right and the result is Credibility.
Read PROVERBS 6:12-19
My opinion: Get to REALLY know those you consider friends. I believe I CAN and SHOULD judge the credibility of a school if I want to send my children there. I do not want to judge a person - nor their moral beliefs - that is God's place alone. However, my question might need to be - what exactly needs to be forgiven... if no wrongdoing has taken place. If all the allegations from these 'screen names' are wrong - what has been provided to prove this "misinformation"?
When legitimate evidence can be presented for public view, un-tampered stating that nothing inappropriate took place (pertaining to many items under scrutiny), then YES - a public apology is due to the accused. I will be happy to start that thread - name and all! I do not post my name for personal reasons - because I personally know some of those people tied to the person in question and do not want this topic to be a matter of discussion throughout my day. However, while I still have questions, I WILL NOT, under good conscience - act like everyone who has voiced a concern on the deleted thread has misspoken, is on a 'witchhunt' or has ulterior motives.
Lastly, it is true that it is not our place to Judge others. How do most people make decisions on important things in their life? I research, I ask questions... for instance when I selected the current school my children attend, I not only looked at the report on the school, I asked the teachers questions, I asked questions of parents who already had their children enrolled, and I made a judgment based on all that input to assist in my decision.
It is my opinion that God gave us a brain, to use intelligently and I would be doing a disservice to myself, my children, my friends and family, if I just swept a situation like this under the carpet without questioning the ethics, reliability and trustworthiness of the person or people involved. I don't see that as judgment - I see that as common sense. There seems to be very little of that going around lately.
You are entitled to your opinion just the same, and please do not think I'm on the attack - I just want justice to be served as you should. Have a Blessed evening and week.
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Posted: Wed Oct 8th, 2008 02:11 am |
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| I am thankful that he is out of HPR. I am sure many will agree that trouble follows this person. Some day that trail will catch up to him. Good Luck. Last edited on Wed Oct 8th, 2008 02:13 am by double deuce
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Posted: Tue Oct 7th, 2008 04:06 pm |
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I think it is time to move on. It is very unfair to make such inflammatory accusations against this school. You must consider some of the teachings of Christianity before considering placing your child into that setting. The teachings of our Lord and Jesus tells us that we must not place judgment against others and we must forgive.
I am simply asking that before you make such nasty posts you consider who your words might hurt. As far as Mr. Porter is concerned it is rather easy to cast stones when you hide behind a screen name. No one came before the Council to voice any concerns or questions when the opportunity was there with one exception - so I fail to see why you can justify your actions here.
Let this whole matter rest, leave the school alone and let Mr.Porter pursue his life as God shall lead him.
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Posted: Tue Oct 7th, 2008 03:23 am |
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| I had intentions to send my children to CTA next year... the only way that will happen now, is when that "man" - using the term loosely, is no longer there. How and why would a fine school like CTA risk there credibility by making a move like this? If you want to make a change, don't just sit by and let this happen - take a stand - complain - pull your children from the school - protest - contact the Attorney General - attend meetings and voice your opinion. This should not be swept under the proverbial carpet again, only to come up again months or years from now with people saying 'something should have been done'. DO IT... NOW... For all the wrong that has been done, all the wrong that can potentially be done. When will it stop being someone else's responsibility because we 'just don't want to get involved'. Let me guess - next he'll become so "untouchable" that he'll run for Mayor... or better yet, President! Yeah, congratulations for once again sucessfully pulling the wool over the eyes of unsuspecting (or perhaps knowing) individuals. It's a sad situation - I'm starting my search now for a new school. Good luck to all of you who stay with that school - your lives are going to change - not for the better!
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Posted: Mon Oct 6th, 2008 06:05 pm |
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| Obviously Christian Tabernacle parents aren't as concerned with the moral lessons their new athletic director displays as they are with the good ol' boys staying in power. I know I now have to question the direction of my child's education if the administration of this school is willing to hire someone under legal investigation who doesn't have any kind of degree. I am so naiive to think a thorough search would have been conducted for the best candidate who exhibits the training, education, and religious background to instruct in this "christian" school. It looks like this school is living just as much in the world as any other public school that doesn't require tuition. So much for our kids getting the best education money can buy.
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Posted: Mon Oct 6th, 2008 11:29 am |
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| why would congratulate him? its pretty obvious why he has moved on; I doubt its because he wanted to, more like was asked to.
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Posted: Mon Oct 6th, 2008 12:11 am |
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| Congratulations Donald on your new job as Athletic Director at the Christain Tabernacle. You weathered the storm, which turned out to be nothing but a lot of wind. Your years and hard work at HPR are greatly appreciated, and we wish you well. I just really hope Harrington takes a long hard look before filling the position, the last thing they need is someone who has nothing better to do than have law suits from town to town.
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