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Mickey2
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Posted: Sat Jul 4th, 2009 11:58 am |
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Posted: Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 03:28 am |
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OOOHHHHHH you really hurt my feelings with that.Remember you said it.
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Mickey2
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Posted: Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 03:40 pm |
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Ampedup get a life, all my complaints are legit, you are a waste of my time.
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Posted: Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 03:42 am |
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Mickey2
The only response you have to anything is a complaint!!!!!If this City was perfect you still would cry about how perfect it is.Your the constant complainer,that everybody would like to ignore or just pay no attention to.I bet if it wasn't for me responding you would have nothing else to do but dwell on stuff you will never have any control over.You act like this is just happening to you.NEWS FLASH its happening all over the WORLD.You need to direct your energy on stuff that you can control,your life will get alot easier!!!!!And if i did buy your house the people in the next place you go will come hunt me down because they would have to listen to the same thing we all read on here.
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Mickey2
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Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 03:13 am |
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| I got one thing to say freedom of speech, and pack yours up if you can't hold a decent response. or put your money where your mouth is. Thats because you live outside of city limits, and probley work for the city. Show me the money!!!!!!! Last edited on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 03:15 am by Mickey2
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Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 01:48 am |
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| First of all i really doubt your even close on the price as broke as you claim to be.And if i had the money i would definitly not do it,because i like responding to you stupid complaints.But as much as you complain about this great City why live in it.EVERYBODY deals with something all over the world.Not you you just like to complain,go out and buy some undies that fit stop getting all notted up and enjoy life.Not only tou are going through this depression.
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Mickey2
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Posted: Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 11:31 pm |
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| Yes DAF I understand, but it's just a matter of time before our taxes will go up, and we won't have any program, if they do start a program, then it will go up again, and charge a fee to recycle, I can bet money on that. Because every time something is enacted in the City of Harrington it has a fee.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 05:44 pm |
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Mickey2:
According to our Manager of Enforcement, Newark hauls their own waste and has their own fleet of garbage trucks and drivers. They run 3 days a week. They will be running two additional days for the recycling program. As for taxes, there was in increase several years ago in anticipation of taking over the recycling responsibilities. To assist in their efforts, we waived transfer fees for the materials. Which means that we allow them to offload their materials at our recycling center and then provide transfer to the recycler companies pro-bono.
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Mickey2
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Posted: Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 05:23 pm |
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DAF,
Well Thank You, but it's in their Taxes with NO Tax increase, Im sure, so why does these people in City of Harrington government think you can't get more out of your taxes, without paying extra fees.Because it's easier to attach a fee to everything, so they can replace money that was stolen away under their noses.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 01:04 pm |
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Mickey2:
I received the following response form the head of recycling this morning:
"Dan, nothing in this world is free! The City of Newark is able to provide this program to its citizens through their taxes. The majority of the carts(over 5,000) of them were bought by the city as well. The City of Newark has been wanting to implement a citywide program for well over two years. It was just a half of a year ago that the council gave the green light. The City of Newark is using their own drivers to run the program and the material is taken to the DRC at no charge. Hope this helps.
Rich"
FYI - the DRC is the Delaware Recycling Center at Pigeon Point in New Castle Delaware.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 05:32 am |
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Not sure if it would be different if the whole town was doing it, but I know friends that have it in the Harrington zip code and they receive a $6.00 on each trash bill for recycling. Would save my family from loading and carrying to the bins at Chipman.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 02:50 am |
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Mickey2 -
Done deal. I will contact the people who will know in the morning. If need be, I can contact the head of City services in Newark, but I don't think that will be necessary.
Best regards and goodnight.
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Mickey2
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Posted: Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 02:44 am |
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| The sewage is another issue too. We that live in the city, have high sewer rates while people living in the country can dump their sewage into the ground at no big cost and the county lets them go, why don't the county tax them in the country for dumping into the ground and make it a more playing field, as far as fees.I think the City needs to go broke and close up shop and let the county take over, we have to much government already. Last edited on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 02:51 am by Mickey2
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Posted: Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 02:38 am |
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Ampedup,
I would do you want to buy my house at 239,900?
I will even throw in new trash containers if you buy.
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Mickey2
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Posted: Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 02:36 am |
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| You talk about going broke what about the issue of vacant houses the city is doing nothing about, thats money they can collect if they want to make money, no they want to come up with a trash can deal that does not make sense. Last edited on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 02:53 am by Mickey2
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Posted: Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 02:33 am |
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DAF,
I would greatly appericate that if you have time to check into that so we can settle the trash and recyling issue.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 02:26 am |
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| Why would you accuse someone for being on something just because they may not agree with your opinion? I live here too, am really concerned with the high taxes we are seeing, I don't work for the City nor do I know anyone on the council. But I do know that the City has to do certain things in order to function and meet state and federally mandated regulations. Specifically the wastewater treatment plant will either have to be beeed up or we will have to hook into the county system. If you really got a beef, look at the cost of water. If harrington didn't charge a high flat rate and used the meters we were required to install, the City would go broke.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 02:16 am |
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Mickey2 -
I work in the solid waste and recycling industries and I live in Harrington. I believe "lostinharrington" is at least partially correct concerning what happened with Newark but am not sure. If you wish, I can talk to people at DNREC & at DSWA to answer your questions regarding this matter. I am sure they would be glad to shed light on Newark's funding for this program. It could possibly be that the program is expected to make enough to be self sustaining. However, I can tell you for sure that like many businesses, the recycling industry has areas that are depressed at this time.
Best regards,
Dan Fluman
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Posted: Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 01:16 am |
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| Got a suggestion for ya MOVE to Newark.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 11:59 pm |
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| I know economics and planning too. The first thing you don't do is raise rates when the economy is in a major recession the worst since WWII, and unemployment is at a 32 year high in Delaware. Last edited on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 02:48 am by Mickey2
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 10:25 pm |
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| You can believe what you want, makes no difference to me. I know economics and planning, understand the differences in tax bases, understand that Newark got a grant money, and recycling most things are fiscally irresponsible at this time to a highly depressed market. I was trying to explain the City's position. Everything that is recycled in Delaware has a specific destination - either to a transfer facility and eventually New Castle.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 01:40 pm |
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| First of all i don't believe there was any overpayment in form of any kind. And do you know for a fact that grant money was used? I doubt it. Second what do you think is going to happen when garbage renewal rate are put up for bid again? Straight up higher they will go, with Waste Mgmt, or who else gets the contract.You will pay more for the trash containers, I can replace a trash container a year with the so called $10.00 they say they will charge each resident. I had my trash containers about eight years now and they still work fine, and I use lids.See the City knows if you sell your home someone will pick up where you left off, so they don't care if you like it here or not. It's the old way of tax and spend, thats what Harrington, De Mayor and city council likes to do.Do you know that Delaware is at it's highest unemployment level in 32 years?So why raises fees and create fees now.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 07:27 pm |
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There's the rub. The people in the City of Newark have been paying some of the fees - to the state in the form of taxes and overpayment. And, when the grant money runs out, somebody is going to have to pay. The problem with the City is the same problem that many small towns face - low populations mean a low tax base and poor buying power. Prices for services that the City has no control over keep going up like energy costs, M&R, chemical costs for water treatment. Waste haulers have increasing fuel and personnel costs. Without "volume", the "vendors" cannot offer as high a discount. That is why we pay more for services than many people in larger cities. It doesn't help that State mandated regulations (such as those being placed on Harrington to hook into the County system) drive prices through the roof for the Harrington homeowner.
It used to be a pleasure living in a small town, but that is going by the way side as skyrocketing service fees and a small tax base further pressure our population to leave.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 03:07 am |
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| Whether it's feasable or not, that's another topic. The question is whether they worked it in the budget to pay for this, rob peter to pay paul, they did not raise taxes and impose a fee for this service, and Im sure the people of Newark don't care how they figured it out. I am sure the people of Newark are happy they don't have to pay any extra FEES, like Harrington does on everything.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 12:42 am |
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Just a little something to think about - common sense says that nothing is free. Newark is likely getting funding through state and federal grant money, some local property taxes, and a break from a recycling company. It is not free. If the grant money goes and the recycling company needs to cover the costs, the program goes or will have to be funded by the people of Newark.
Before you jump on the recycling bandwagon, there are bins at Chipman.
Common sense says that if it costs more to recycle and reuse something than it cost to make it, it isn't fiscally responsible to recycle it or environmentally friendly.
Remember that plastic items are made from chemical reactions which are cheap. To recycle them requires manpower and energy to pick them up, and move them to a final destination (figure out the costs for the personnel needed, trucks, fuel, insurance etc... ) Then figure out the costs to separate the materials and move them around a recycling facility. Then there are the energy costs associated with the energy intensive processes required to liquify or compress them at a high enough temperature to fuse them. What may have cost 0.01 cents or less to make may cost 5 cents or more to recycle - and the money has to come from somewhere. Remember, plastic bottles, bags, and anything oil based only has the value of the BTS (energy value) it contains, otherwise recycling it is a financial loss.
Metals are the exception to recycling because mining is expensive.
Paper can only be recycled so many times until the fiber lengths become too short.
Genrally, single stream glass can only be used for brown glass bottles unless it is picked thoroughly. And then it has to be shipped to a location that as a contiuous furnace operation.
Want to do something for the environment, start drinking tap water instead of bottled water and soft drink. Buy milk in cartons instead of jugs. Use a mulching mower and quit fertilizing. Put in a compost bin and put in leaves, yard clippings, and biodegradables (including biodegradable paper products) and feed it regularly. Bring reusable bags to the market. Use the local recycling bins, otherwise they will probably go. Opt for items packaged in paper and not plastic.
Remember, with the exception of glass, aluminum, iron and steel, the remaining items can only be recycled so many times. Eventually they have to go somewhere else.
Also remember that you will have 2 separate pickups a week - regular garbage and recycling. This will double the air pollution and fuel consumption.
Also remember that the NJ has a habit of writing stories that only show half the truth.
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Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 11:16 am |
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How can you speak that it probley was not free, without proving it?
The statement came right from delawareonline, it sounds like to me it's free point blank,
why do you and the mayor and city council think every time something is implemented in the City of Harrington, there has to be a seperate fee for it, and you were running for a coucil seat I believe? , wanting a change in Harrington.
I believe changes can be made to better everyone in Harrington without charging fees. Now that change.
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Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2009 03:16 pm |
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Mickey2 wrote: About 920 Newark households that had paid DSWA $72 a year for recycling pick-up now get it free from the city.
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They get free containers and also get their recycleables haul away free. Yes Free
Mickey,
Keep in mind that this is probably not truly "free". My guess is that Newark residents are paying for this, just not the whole $72 a year (with the large volume of "customers", that $72 a year figure probably goes down a bit - more cost effective to run the collection truck(s) and such if you know you'll probably have containers to pick up at most houses in an area). I'd be VERY surprised if the City of Newark didn't have some increase to cover the costs of them absorbing the curbside recycling.
I'm also fairly certain that they (Newark - and other cities/towns) "crunched the numbers" and they leveraged the fact that the curbside, single-stream recycling WILL reduce the amount "regular" trash that needs to be picked up and taken to the landfill - which does factor in on any contract for solid waste collection and disposal.
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As I said in the other discussion about the new trash containers, I think that council is being VERY short sighted by not including curbside recycling in the new trash ordinance.
Curbside recycling is no longer the hassle that it used to be. It is now "single stream", so you don't need to separate the recyclable items into separate containers.
They KNOW that this WILL be required in the foreseeable future, so WHY are they making the mistake of ignoring it now? WHY are they going to basically waste time and money by not including it in this new ordinance or at least making provisions for it now. It makes absolutely no sense to have to come back and revisit this.
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Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2009 02:44 pm |
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I asked this question of council months ago and was told that Harrington would not do curbside recycling until they were absolutely required to do so. They saw no need to start doing it before there is any mandate or requirement.
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Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2009 02:33 pm |
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Newark's De curbside program set to start
About 920 Newark households that had paid DSWA $72 a year for recycling pick-up now get it free from the city.
They use to pay DSWA $72.00 year for pick up
You can read this article online at Delawareonline under
Newark's De curbside program set to start
Wake up Harrington, De and you want to charge us a fee for trash containers.
They get free containers and also get their recycleables haul away free. Yes Free
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