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 Posted: Sun Jan 4th, 2009 07:25 pm
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Fred, I wasn't aware your group had actually started down the path to fight developers in court. Good for you, even though the cost eventually drove you out of the game.

Sadly, I believe we need to try a different tactic to fight what we are going to see coming up after the housing slump goes away. Reliance on the conventional lawsuits and the Levy Court actions have not proven effective as often as we'd like because  the deep pocket developers have been able to 'buy their judgement'  [my term, not implying judicial misconduct]. As citizens, we rely too much on the government to help us and find our government resources are out-gunned by the developers.

There are law firms [out of state] who specialize in these kinds of battles on behalf of locals who are fighting land use changes and other development matters, but we need a group of people concerned enough about the overdevelopment to stay focused on the issue [not just when the farm next to you goes to the RPC for 250 houses]. There just hasn't been a determined enough group to hang together long enough to plot out a strategy and actually commit to fighting for it. If you ever come across such a gathering of stalwarts in it for the long haul, let me know -even if they are liberals....

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One very salient point you made is the about the deep pockets of the lawyers, and the different arguments made at different levels of the judiciary.

What the developers can do is hire good lawyers....very good lawyers, who can use every legal trick in the book to either tire or outspend the opposition, and throw technicality on technicality on top of that.

I was involved in one case where we spent $30,000 against one developer, and it went up and down the various courts on a range of these technicalities, and we were, from a logical common sense perspective, on the sidelines on this issue.  In the end we paid a token amount to get out of the lawsuit, as it was either pay $1000 or pony up another $10,000 to PREPARE for trial....with more needed if it actually reached the judge.

 

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So who is the shyster with the JD, you or your son?

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Hartlyboy wrote: PTG, the issue is really not about just landowners but a very small segment of the Kent County population that is continually suing  Levy Court to get advantages over the rest of the County.
Do you mean the small segment that is trying to get an advantage with the County to acknowledge their property rights or the small segment that wants to get an advantage with the County to abrogate others' property rights? BANANAs are just as detrimental to the County as those who would like ill-planned growth.

I would agree with you that there is a problem with the County continually being sued if they were consistently defending themselves from frivolous lawsuits, but the fact is they lose almost every time because they themselves have been acting frivolously, at best, and in some cases - Johnson Farms is ripe - simply illegally. The fact that one agrees with the intent of the County does in no way mean that their malicious and illegal behavior should be tolerated. 

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Interesting viewpoint and I accept that we disagree with the definition of 'property rights'. It appears that the plaintiffs are more interested in using the leverage of their finances and large properties to overwhelm the rights of others. Just because you don't have development property or want to develop the property you have ,  [90% of the people in the County] why should we in effect pay  [school taxes, dangerous roads , etc.] for developer benfits? It's not just about what the landowner wants. If that were so, no one could tell me I have to have permits to put up barns or fix my roofs or that I couldn't put up a pig farm in Wild Quail.

I'll defer to your legal knowledge of the court cases the County has lost , but it seems there have been a number of them and Pardee's latest is an example of where we get sued for some nickle dime transgression like '15 days notice required before you can have a meeting and getting together to talk to people is illegal'. As for the Johnson Farm decision, that was simply wrong. The people empowered to make decisions for the good of the citizens of the County were overruled by a judiciary that sided with developers. Simple as that. You'll recall the reason it got to the Supreme Court was because it was ruled in the favor of the County before that. Ashburn's deep pockets finally got it up to a rarified level where judges don't always use common sense, in my opinion.

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Hartlyboy wrote: PTG, the issue is really not about just landowners but a very small segment of the Kent County population that is continually suing  Levy Court to get advantages over the rest of the County.
Do you mean the small segment that is trying to get an advantage with the County to acknowledge their property rights or the small segment that wants to get an advantage with the County to abrogate others' property rights? BANANAs are just as detrimental to the County as those who would like ill-planned growth.

I would agree with you that there is a problem with the County continually being sued if they were consistently defending themselves from frivolous lawsuits, but the fact is they lose almost every time because they themselves have been acting frivolously, at best, and in some cases - Johnson Farms is ripe - simply illegally. The fact that one agrees with the intent of the County does in no way mean that their malicious and illegal behavior should be tolerated. 

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PTG, the issue is really not about just landowners but a very small segment of the Kent County population that is continually suing  Levy Court to get advantages over the rest of the County. Why the Court doesn't upgrade it's legal staff to prevent the nit-pickers like Paradee from getting to them on technicalities is beyond me.

Less than 10% of the County population lives on more than 5 acres, which was the original 'affected population' that Paradee first tried to stir up. Now he's supposedly championing the cause of 'farmers' and you need almost 5 acres to even turn around some of the big tilling rigs a true farmer uses these days -so that has to be even a smaller population base he's trying to get special privileges for so his developer clients can operate at will . Take away from that small base the people, myself included, who have more than 20 acres [Paradees new aggrieved class] who don't want uncontrolled development and you get down to a small nut of wannabe developers who don't give a rat's about the impact on the other people the County. It's discouraging , actually , to see the Levy Court still giving them so much attention after the long process we all went through to come up with a Comprehensive Plan -and amended 4 times , each time giving in to developer complaints, IMHO.

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If these "Farmers" actually farmed the land they own and quit trying to pawn off the land they can no longer farm for profit, I might have sympathy.  Paradee is a whore for landowners and nothing more.

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"Farmers for Fairness"!??! What a crock. More like "Developers for Themselves". This is just another case of slick lawyers using a technicality to overrule the Levy Court in favor of a very small percentage of large landowners who want to have a freehand to run over the best interests of the 150,000 residents of this county who end up paying for developer impacts. It's sad to note Levy Court is even thinking of giving those 'farmers' yet another special hearing before Levy Court. Brode already pulled this extra consideration of developer wants before the last vote so this would make two extra inputs the rest of the citizens don't have.  

I wonder if anyone will ever challenge some of Paradee's claims about how farmer asset values are now 10% of what they used to be [because of a comp plan ?] and how a farmer with 20 acres can only put two houses on that land instead of 20 [I only wish that were so]. 

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What do you think?

From the Delaware State News:

Farmers petition court, say Kent violated property rights


By Andrew Abel


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DOVER — Farmers for Fairness, an association of Kent County landowners, submitted a petition Monday to the Delaware Court of Chancery in Dover contending that its constitutional property rights were violated when Kent County Levy Court adopted the county’s comprehensive land-use plan without proper notification to those affected by the zoning changes.


The Kent County comprehensive plan is a policy document that charts land development over the next several years. It is designed to stimulate growth where there is infrastructure to support it.


The court action was filed by Dover attorney John W. Paradee, who said the landowners did not receive the required 15 days’ notice of Kent County Levy Court and Regional Planning Commission meetings. In addition, the comprehensive plan called for the rezoning of farmers’ land from one unit per acre to one unit per 10 acres, he said.


"Essentially, this means that if a farmer had 20 acres, he could develop 20 houses on that land," Mr. Paradee said. "With the new changes, the same farmer can only build two houses on his 20 acres."


Most of the landowners have no intention of selling their property, but rezoning the land severely impacts equity value, he said. When farmers need money for seeds, fertilizer or equipment, they usually borrow against the value of their land, Mr. Paradee said.


"One of those big harvesters can cost $500,000," he said. "Farmers just don’t always have that type of cash."


With the economy’s recent downturn, farmers are operating on thin enough margins as it is, Mr. Paradee said. The rezoning just puts more strain on the industry and reduces borrowing power by 90 percent, he said.


Levy Court and the Regional Planning Commission held numerous public hearings and meetings; however, the state mandates that anytime there is a zoning change, the affected landowners must be notified individually, he said.


But the comprehensive plan is a policy document, so even though it has already been adopted, zoning changes have not yet occurred, Mr. Paradee said. According to state code, rezoning has to occur within 18 months of adoption of the comprehensive plan.


Many Kent County residents didn’t know about the meetings concerning the comprehensive plan, Mr. Paradee said. Now that the plan is adopted and zoning changes are about to occur, their only option is legal action, he said.


"Banks have told my clients that they can’t lend them as much money as before because their property value has decreased" due to the implications of the comprehensive land-use plan, Mr. Paradee said. "Farmers’ asset portfolios are 10 percent of what they used to be."


"We plan to appoint a committee of farmers to address concerns about rezoning," said P. Brooks Banta, president of Kent County Levy Court. "Any farmers involved with the lawsuit will not be included in the committee."


Despite the fact that the comprehensive plan has already been adopted, Mr. Banta said, "There is always opportunity for adjustment."


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This will be the last post until after the election.  I did the same thing for the Primary.  It is important that you look at all of the issues surrounding the 5th District, and not pay attention to the rhetoric shown here in these blogs.  Many of these blogs more than likely come from the same person, but they are all the same.  They tend to inflame the situation and do not stick to the issues.  I have posted a number of times my position on the issues and why I think I am a better candidate than my opponent.  Please check out my information on my website, http://www.friendsforjodysweeney.com.  Email me:  jody@friendsforjodysweeney.com. call meL  697-3778. write me: 846 Moose Lodge Rd, Cam-Wyo, DE  19934.  All of this information is important to a resident in the district, and nowhere to be found on my opponents website, media ads, or campaign literature. 

If you want continued development, schools, roads, and emergency services lagging behind infrastructure.  If you want prperty taxes to incresae just to pay for that infrastructure.  If you want developments out in the more rural areas of our County, then by all means, vote for Mr. Edmanson on November 4th.  If these things bother you, and you want to change how Levy Court  and the 5th District Commissioner represents you, vote for George Sweeney on November 4th.

It has been great posting and sparring with all of you.  I am glad that you are all so invovled in the political process that you participate in the newest of Town Meetings in the forums.  I will post again after the election.  When I win, I will post to say thank you, then sign off to provide a better method of communications to the constituents in the District. 

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HB, I could not have said it better. I have made it a point to talk to residents about the Comp Plan and that Mr. Edmanson voted against it.  Every person I talk to is shocked to hear that their commissioner did that.  Just to be clear, I would have voted in favor of the Kent County Comprehensive Plan.  it contains the direction that I would like to see the county go.  For the record, the Comp Plan is NOT LAW!  The laws will now be written in the form of ordinances, that can be tweaked as they are written.  The Comp Plan was just a guideline for how to write the ordianance, and WG voted against it like it was gospel.

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Just my opinion, but I think you are confusing your property 'rights' as being superior to  the property rights of everyone around you. Clearly, if the government were to take your land for a road or powerline, you should and would be compensated. I've fought that process and understand how you can feel the value is not fair and all that, but you do get paid for the loss of your land. What you are complaining about is the impact of zoning or other government actions on the percieved value of your land when you bought it and what it would be worth if you wanted to be a developer. My contention is that the government and thus the citizens of the County have no obligation to make you rich , especially when it hurts the rest of us in taxes and other ways.

I felt the government screwed me back in 1996 when the Levy Court at the time started encouraging 1 house per 1 acre in these 'communities' with private sewers and well systems , thus creating large developments all over the county with no regard to what it did to those around them. Funny, no complaints about 'government interference' then from the Farm Bureau and the real estate speculators. That was just 'good governing', eh? Not all of us who own more than a few acres are happy with the idea of a development next to us with all the negatives that brings, so you can expect continued resistance to the concept that "If it's yours you can do with it what you want and d**n the rest of you."

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You guys just don't get it.  If you and your government want to divest me (or you, or anyone else) of valuable and constitutionally-protected property rights, then you and your government should COMPENSATE me for the privilege.  It is MY property, not yours, and not the government's.

The fundamental flaw with the latest Comprehensive Plan Update has nothing to do with the consequences of development -- which, I think we can all agree, ought to be dealt with via ordinances like the Adequate Public Facilities Ordinances (i.e., if you want to develop your property, then you must be willing to contribute a sufficient portion of the proceeds toward the provision of infrastructure required to offset the impacts of the development).  The problem, instead, is that the majority of the populace which owns a minority of acreage is "taking" valuable property rights away from the minority of the populace which owns the majority of acreage.  It is a classic redistribution of wealth via the pen instead of the sword -- the kind of tyranny our forefathers warned against and laid down their lives to protest.

The Minner Administration, with the assistance of the mental midgets on Levy Court, is taking by fiat what they could not persuade the Legslature to endorse or otherwise afford to properly pay for -- an outright divestment of private property rights without compensation.  When they come knocking on your door next, telling you what you can or cannot do withyour property, maybe you'll feel differently.  If not, then you deserve what you get.

P.S.  Allan Angel is just as guilty, if not more so, than Eaby.  And if you think Angel has more cerebral fiber than a wet piece of cardboard, perhaps you should try out for The Scarecrow at the next casting call for The Wizard of Oz.

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I was thinking of subdividing my 1/4 acre and putting a lot for a trailer on it.  Anyone see a problem with that?  After All, I own the land....................

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Too bad you feel that way. What you do with your land affects everyone else around you and that makes it more than just your business. I have no sympathy for the few people who think they can dictate the quality of life and tax costs to the other 95% because they want to play developer and make their own rules. That's the reason the make-up of the Levy Court changed and will continue to be fine tuned in the years ahead. If Eaby wants the job I won't have any problem supporting him when the time comes -and my properties are all affected by the changes reflected in the current Comprehensive Plan and I'm not a Democrat.

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Why should there be a Comprehensive Plan to begin with?      

As for Eaby's comments...I'm a 1st District resident and landowner, and I'll be voting for whoever runs against him when his term is up.  What I do with my land is my business, not that of the city or county.

Typical Democrat.  Most - not all, Al Angel still has his brain and good sense - are too dumb to vote and/or hold public office.

DEMOCRAT = SECULAR PROGRESSIVE = SOCIALIST = COMMUNIST = TYRANNIST.   

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From the Delaware State News: Levy Court approves Kent plan

Many oppose measure in uncertain economy


By Ali Cheeseman


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DOVER — Despite many residents’ fears that the Kent County comprehensive plan would devalue their property, Levy Court commissioners voted 6-1 to pass the proposed plan.


"There’s a lot of decisions that are hard to make up here, and this has to be the hardest one I’ve had to make," said Commissioner Harold K. Brode, who voted to approve the plan. "I support the draft comp plan for what it’s supposed to be.


"I realize it’s really just a starting plan and there’s a lot to do with ordinances."


Public testimony was taken well past 11 p.m. Tuesday from a majority of residents speaking against the plan. About 15 minutes before midnight, commissioners made their decision, with Commissioner W.G. Edmanson II casting the lone dissenting vote.


"Especially with the economy the way it is, and I feel your pain, I cannot vote for this plan," Mr. Edmanson said.


One major amendment the commission approved unanimously was to strike a proposed requirement that any development outside the growth zone would be limited to a 10-percent impervious surface and would provide a minimum of 70 percent dedicated open space.


Instability in the financial market was one of the recurring reasons residents were opposed to the plan. Many farmers said they felt the plan would decrease their land value, the only source of equity most of them use for loans.


"Things change, and you need your options open," Smyrna resident John Messina said about being able to sell his land for development if needed. "Those in the development zone get more money per acre. If I’m going to give that up, they should pay for that. You can take my rights, but pay for them."


But county staff reiterated several times that the comprehensive plan would not affect densities in any part of the county and that the densities listed in the plan are in effect in the county now.


Maximum allowable densities differs depending on whether land is inside or outside the growth zone — established in 1996, the zone is the swath of the county largely between U.S. 13 and Del. 1.


Early versions of the plan recommended shortening and widening the zone in places, in addition to lowering densities throughout the entire county, but that version failed when it was presented to Levy Court during a public hearing in April. That hearing lasted until 2 a.m. and ended with commissioners tabling the plan to address residents’ concerns.


Mandated by the state to update its comprehensive plan every five years, the county has been working on updating the 2002 version of the comprehensive plan since 2006.


"(The plan) does set forth goals and objectives, but it does not in and of itself take action on any of those recommendations," said Michael J. Petit de Mange, county administrator. "It strives to offer up recommendations with reason and that are reasonable.


"Some of the recommendations may be implemented in the future, some may not, some may not be pursued at all. That’s up to the Levy Court in the next five years."


Emphasis was put on the transfer of development rights program, which offers those outside the growth zone the option to sell those rights to developers who can use the credits to build at higher densities inside the growth zone.


The program was started in 2005. Since then, one project has been recorded out of five proposed, county Planning Director Sarah Keifer said, but more developers are showing interest in shifting from a conventional subdivision to a TDR project. For the one approved project, 125 credits were sold at about $6,500 each, she said.


Not all residents present at the hearing were against the plan. Donna Feliceangeli, who lives west of Clayton, spoke in favor of it, saying that if it weren’t for plans that curtailed development, she wouldn’t be able to run her small flower nursery at her home.


"You do not want to have a plant nursery in the middle of a small town," she said. "If my well goes dry because of those houses, I can’t water my stock ... and it takes three to five years or better for flowers to mature."


Others who were opposed to the plan said they didn’t like being told what they could or could not do with their property. Commissioner Bradley S. Eaby sympathized with those sentiments, but added that what anyone does with their land affects others.


"If everyone out there who was a farmer never sold their farmland, we wouldn’t have a problem, but some have sold and it affects everything," he said, pointing to schools, emergency personnel and roads as some of the areas development impacts. "I don’t see the economy turning around in two years, so, I don’t see where tabling this gets us."


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From the Delaware State News:

Panel hears arguments on new plan

Kent residents voice concerns over proposal


By Ali Cheeseman


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DOVER — Fears that Kent County’s comprehensive plan would slash property values rippled through residents during the Levy Court’s public hearing Tuesday.


The crowd slowly thinned as residents addressed concerns that the comprehensive plan would reduce land values outside the growth zone — essentially the land between U.S. 13 and Del. 1 from the top to the bottom of the county. The zone was established in 1996.


Public testimony continued past 10 p.m.


Since 2006, the county has been working on updating the 2002 comprehensive plan, which acts as a land-use and policy guide for the future of the county.


The Levy Court held a public hearing in April that lasted until 2 a.m. with a standing-room-only chamber full of residents. Commissioners tabled the plan to address the concerns expressed by those residents.


"I stood up here in 1996 when the growth zone was created and I told (Constance) Holland then we’ve created the haves and the have-nots," said Ted Bobola Jr., Kent County president of the state Farm Bureau. "I just wish we could wait, table this thing and get some laws straight in the state that makes the (transfer-of-development-rights program) worth something."


Ms. Holland, the state planning director, supports the plan, calling it excellent. The state office of planning commended earlier versions of the plan that proposed a different growth-zone boundary.


County staff pointed out that the comprehensive plan does not effectively change any current ordinances or regulations that are currently in place.


"This is not an ordinance; it does not change the density in the county," said county planning director Sarah Keifer. "The density provisions that are in place today in the county will be in place tomorrow if this plan is adopted tonight. The plan itself does not change anything."


Any changes to the current laws would require additional public hearings with the Levy Court if the commissioners decide they want to pursue those changes. However, the plan doesn’t affect density levels.


Maximum density inside the growth zone can be up to seven units per acre, while outside the growth zone density changes with the amount of units planned. A 10-lot subdivision can build at one unit per acre, 11 to 25 lots at one unit per two acres, a 24- to 50-lot subdivision is at one unit per three acres and 51 or more lots develop at one unit per four acres.


The economy drove many of the comments, with residents saying that the issues the nation is facing with the financial crisis, especially over the past few weeks, should require commissioners to table the plan and see where the nation is headed.


"I have a problem with losing equity, especially now," said Felton resident and farmer Robert Garey, adding that there has been a 25-percent drop in grain and corn value.


"Everybody knows that money is going to be hard to come by unless you have good equity. I would like to see us stop development, but I can’t see us downzoning and taking away equity.


"We as landowners can’t afford to give up that equity."


The Regional Planning Commission passed the plan for review by the Levy Court on Sept. 11, with five in favor, with Commissioner Paul Davis opposed and Commissioner Albert Holmes Jr. not voting.


The plan includes expanding the transfer-of-development-rights program, which allows those outside the growth zone to sell their development rights to those who want to build inside the growth zone at a higher density. Those who choose to sell their rights can still live on and farm their property, but cannot sell it for a subdivision.


It also proposes to establish traffic districts and sub-areas throughout the county, and an extensive plan would be written for those areas to identify infrastructure improvements needed, Ms. Keifer said before the meeting. This would make sure the infrastructure — roads, sewers, utilities, etc. — would be able to adequately serve the current and possible population in those areas.


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There was some minor rezoning to make the growth zone follow property lines, instead of the current practice of cutting through the middle of propery, putting part of the acreage in the growth zone and part of it outside the growth zone.  The ordinances will fix that, but they have to go through the same process of RPC review, public hearings, Levy Court review and public hearings, public notification, notifying the landowner, etc.  Could be awhile.

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 Posted: Wed Oct 8th, 2008 01:59 pm
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Great news, I wasn't able to be there but I'm glad the Commissioners didn't get spooked by the tiny fraction of people who own large tracts of land they want to be able develop with no regard to the impact on the rest of the County.

My reading of the Comp Plan doesn't really indicate what 'zoning' would be required, though. I thought all the density issues were already covered by existing ordinances and since they didn't change the Growth Zone, there should be little actual rezoning required , no?

I suppose Paradee, the Farm Bureau and other developer types will now sue us again to get their wish to be able to develop anywhere at any density, but that's become a standard procedure any more.

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 Posted: Wed Oct 8th, 2008 06:53 am
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Let me be the first to congratulate six of the seven sitting judges in finally passing the 2007 Comprehensive Plan for Kent County.  This plan addresses land use in the county for the next 15-20 years, but it is not law yet.  The Comp Plan is a recommendation from the Kent County Planning Staff and the Comp Plan Working Committee.  According to Delaware Law, the Levy Court now has 18 months to enact the zoning portion through ordinances, but by no means are they required to.  Some recommendations from the 2002 Comp Plan were never acted upon. I think this group of six Commissioners will be different.  The economy will come back.  When it does, we need a strong plan to ensure that the growth is controlled and where it should be.

The seventh Commissioner not mentioned opposed the Comp Plan.  Commissioner WG Edmanson, from the 5th District, stated his reasons for voting "No" were the public comments opposing the plan during the meeting, leading comments, and mention of a different direction.  Don't misunderstand me, the farmers of the county have valid reasons for opposing the Plan.  But the 95% of the rest of the population have valid reasons for wanting something done about the growth that has occurred.  Mr. Edmanson has no clue about what the people in this county, and especially those in the 5th District, want.

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 Posted: Mon Oct 6th, 2008 05:49 am
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This Tuesday, Levy Court will have another round of public hearings on the 4th version of the Comprehensive Plan. The developer lawyer, John Paradee and his allies have sent out the now-familiar letter warning all of us outside the growth zone that have more than a few acres that we are going to be [horrors!] down-zoned by this evil plan. We can expect the usual line up of developers and farmers who want to be developers to troop up to the microphone and protest how this will deprive them of their 'rights' to do what they want with their land, regardless of what it does to the 90+ percent of the people who don't have lots larger than 5 acres and will end up paying for all the developers 'rights' in increased taxes and overtaxed infrastructure. In addition, there will undoubtedly be the other people who will show up just because they got a letter saying they were going to be harmed and spout off without ever having checked with Planning about what would actually happen in their situation -which in the great majority of cases would be nothing. We have a very liberal development policy even with the new plan. IF only they were down zoning instead of feeding the developers.

Anyway, even this Plan's little control is better than what we have now so I'm hoping the Commissioners don't get spooked again by the mob and do the right thing for the  90% of the people who are small lot owners and those of us who have more acreage but don't want developers on our doorstep.

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 Posted: Wed Sep 24th, 2008 01:00 pm
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RPC voted 6-1 (Paul Davis) to recommend approval.  Comp Plan and Cheswold Walmart (also recommended for approval) go in front of the Levy Court business meeting on Tuesday night (30th).  Should be a 3 Mountain Dew night!

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 Posted: Sun Sep 21st, 2008 03:19 am
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I haven't been back to the Levy Court Building since the Planning Commission public hearing on the new version of the Comprehensive Plan. Anyone know if it was apporved at the next business meeting or just where we are with this orphan stepchild now?

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 Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 09:25 pm
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Great summary, HB.  Thank you very much.

Sounds like the whole thing has been much more complicated than it needs to be.  It should be easy enough to create disincentives for developing outside the growth zone and fix the TDR program in a way that compensates landowners outside the growth zone for any loss of equity (whether perceived or actual).  Let's hope the Planning Commission and Levy Court can get it done without goofing it up.

Thanks again for the summary.  I will try to make the next hearing(s).  Do you know when it(they) will be?

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 Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 07:23 pm
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I can give you my perspective of what went down. First, the meeting was very sparsely attended and the discussion about draft #4 was brief. Some jerk in the back row wanted the Planning Director to slow down so he could read the slides better and complained it wasn't a public hearing if that couldn't happen. He's a developer who has shown 'attitude' before so they made copies of the slide show and the meeting went on.

The major change between the 3rd version and this one is that the growth zone doesn't change from the 2002 plan. It was going to be too time consuming to jump through all the hoops to do the zoning work needed in a timely fashion to make all those categories and density adjustments in #3 a reality.

There was a lot of discussion about the TDR portion of the Plan before the public testimony was to start. One commissioner in particular thinks the one we now have  isn't run very well and wanted to scrap the whole idea. There was one time when there was a question raised about what the heck they were doing with this hot potato [my word, not theirs] back in their lap, why the working group hadn't been reconvened to come up with a new plan when the LC voted down the #3 version, etc. Not a lot of enthusiasm for the redo , in my opinion, but so far it is still slated to be voted on next week at their business meeting.

The opposition to the plan were the usual subjects. Some big farmers and potential developers were unhappy with the lower density allowed outside the growth zone and wanted to have the same benefits as those who owned land in the growth zone where the County is trying to direct growth. The developer lawyer , Paradee, said it was worse than the last version [which he sandbagged with a letter that drew crowds of uninformed people concerned that they were 'losing value' and could no longer put a house on their 5 acres, etc]. The lawyer says the only way to fix all this is to allow community sewers, go back to one house per acre outside the growth zone and make TDR's better by making them 'by right'. In short , go back to the good old days when they could dump a development wherever they wanted. the Farm Bureau rep was unhappy that the terms in a special letter they sent to the Levy Court [after #3 was tabled] didn't get the acceptance they wanted. The State Planners liked #3 better and the Sec of Ag was also more on favor of the previous version.

I guess if I were the Planning Staff, at this point I'd be tempted to tell them to just vote on what we gave you and if I were the Planning Commission , I'd approve it and send it back to Levy Court where we'll probably go through the whole circus again as the developers and wannabes will stomp to the podium demanding they be made rich[er] , too and at least a couple of the Commissioners wanting to be friends to the 'farmers' will table it again. I just don't see where we have made much progress in the whole thing. It was a grand idea to get a lot of people involved and come up with a plan for the County's future but we've let special interests have too much say in that vision. A very small percentage of property owners are demanding free rein and they are well financed ..

In a practical sense , many of the ideas put forth in #3 have been implemented by ordinances put in place while the huffing and piuffing has been going on about 'a Plan'. Of course each of those ordinances are in court by the developers so it's too soon to tell if the correct end result has been reached for the people of the County.

OK, that's my take on the night's festivities...... 

 

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 Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 08:34 am
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Any idea what happened at the RPC meeting last night?  We need to get a meaningful Comp Plan in place ASAP, whether Pardee and his developer cronies like it or not.  What happens next?  Anybody know the proposed schedule?  When can we expect the Levy Court to act?

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 Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 10:49 pm
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The Planning commission is starting over on our Comprehensive Plan with a public hearing tonight. You'll remember the Levy  Court folded on the last one the Planning Commission approved after Paradee wrote a letter to stir up the farmers and landowners about 'losing their land values' and a wild meeting insued with people complaining about everything from their garbage collection to not being able to build a house on their land. Most of the comments were emotional, uninformed and, with the exception of the developers present , not really on target about discussing the plan. The meeting ran into the wee hours of the following morning. Why the Commissioners didn't call a recess and start over the next night I don't know but in the end they voted to table the recommended plan.

The version tonight will have some of the elements of the plan that was tabled that had so much public input. The Farm Bureau got to make another pitch to the LC about what they wanted in the Plan, -as if they didn't have enough input the first time. Don't know how much of their new demands will be incorporated but according to the Ag Secretary , Scuse, the old version was better for farming. Not surprising since the Farm Bureau ought to be named the the Farm Development Bureau in my opinion.

The only consolation we had about losing the vote on the last Comp Plan was that the Growth Zone didn't expand as proposed, so the developers cut themselves out of some more density acres by sending Paradee to dump on the original Plan.


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