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Posted: Fri Sep 4th, 2009 09:01 pm |
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The last time I checked, Dover was located in Kent County and all of Kent County's services are available to the residents of the City of Dover.
Apparently this Doverite doesn't realize that little bit of information.
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Posted: Fri Sep 4th, 2009 06:40 pm |
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Why don't you whiny pups just shut out outside users from your library so you don't have to support that 51% who come in there now? Make it a 100% Dover thing and really do it up right for your city residents.
You have to get over the fact that Dover is not Kent County and the Levy Court is elected to look out after the interests of the County residents as a whole. There are a lot of us who think you see all of us non-Doverites as a wallet to tap whenever you woofies have a brainf--t about what constitutes a good idea.
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Posted: Fri Sep 4th, 2009 03:14 pm |
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Copied below is a guest commentary submitted to the Delaware State News. You can post your opinions by clicking on "Reply."
Finding a way to support Dover City Policing, Library and other services
By N.C.Vasuki
Our local governments — City of Dover (City) and the Levy Court of Kent County (County) — have mailed out the annual property tax notices to all of us. It is time for us to think about what we get in return for the taxes paid.
The Residential and business property owners within the City pay property taxes for many services provided by the City staff. In FY 2008, the city collected $ 9.6 million in property taxes. The estimated population of the City is about 35,200. Therefore residents of the City paid about $273 as property tax per person per year.
The city spent about $15.1 million in FY 2008 for its public safety (Police, etc.) program and that is about $429 per person per year. Good police protection actually costs each of us only $1.18 per day — what a bargain! It also shows property taxes pay only 64% of the public safety costs. The city also spends about $1.2 million per year for very good Library services that cost less than a dime a day per City resident. Can you think of a better bargain? Even the cheapest candy bar costs at least 40 cents.
The services provided by the City include Police protection, Fire prevention and protection, Planning and Zoning, Dover Public Library, Parks and Recreation, storm water and drainage services. We also pay, through utility service fees, for electricity and water supply, Sewerage, Solid waste and Recyclable materials collection. The City easily provides our money’s worth in very good quality services and that makes the City a very desirable place to live.
The City and its Police force have negotiated an equitable contract through the mediation process. As a result, the City will need additional money in future years to pay for a very good police protection service.
The same Residential and Business property owners also pay a property tax imposed by the Kent County Levy Court. The recently sent County tax notice shows an increase from 25 cents to 31 cents per $100 of assessed value. Last year we contributed about $2.7 million to the County coffers! That worked out to about $75 per city resident per year. What do we get in return? Almost nothing.
This year it will increase substantially!
The County did not consider providing financial support for the new Dover library as worthwhile even though more than 51% of the Dover Library users live outside the City limits. The Mayor and City Council, exhibiting good leadership, are continuing their quest to substantially improve the Dover library service for Central Delaware. The State of Delaware is also actively supporting this essential service by providing almost $5 million through State Bond money. Even the Federal government will provide some limited financial assistance.
The County did not even consider looking at the feasibility of consolidating library services within the County even though it would save money. The savings would have been sufficient to pay the County’s fair share for the new Dover library without a tax increase. Commissioner Brad Eaby, who represents the City on the Levy Court, attempted valiantly to convince the other six commissioners to support the new Library. Commissioner Alan Angel, the other commissioner representing the City, refused to support Commissioner Eaby in this matter. It is indeed a loss for the City residents because Commissioner Angel did not look out for our real interests.
Consolidation of services for improving efficiency and saving tax money is an important issue. The private sector, quite often, effectively uses consolidation of services for reducing costs and improving efficiency.
In the early 1970s Kent County faced a very severe water pollution problem and consolidation of sewage treatment in a county-wide regional system was proposed. The City, under the able leadership of the late Crawford Carroll, Mayor, played the crucial role in helping the creation of the County sewerage system. While Smyrna, Dover, Milford, Camden and Wyoming all had their own sewage treatment plants, the consolidation into a county-wide system improved efficiency and reliability. The water quality of the various small rivers materially improved at an overall lower cost to users. The City, as the largest contributor of sewer service fees, is continuing to support the consolidated regional sewerage system. Yet, Levy Court refuses to even look at consolidation of Regional library services while increasing our property tax!
Given the Levy Court’s reluctance to look at the long range needs of Central Delaware and its inability to raise efficiency of its governance system, we, the property owners living in the City of Dover, should ask for relief from paying County-imposed property taxes. There is good precedent for such relief. Property owners in Newark and Wilmington are given "Local service function" relief from New Castle County government for services they do not receive. If such a system was effective in Kent County, we, the property owners within the city, would only have to pay about $700,000 to the county and the savings of about $2 million would help pay for supporting the City police, the new library and other essential services!
However, this requires legislative action by the Delaware General Assembly.
As property owners and County taxpayers, it is up to us, individually and collectively, to ask our elected City and State officials to support enactment of a law to reduce our County property tax burden. The City property owners have good and sufficient reasons to ask for tax relief for services not provided by the County. If that can be accomplished, it will help us support the City’s police, the Library and all other essential services.
If you are really concerned about the way your County property tax is being used and want to support tax relief for local service functions, please take time to contact Senator Brian Bushweller (17th District), Representative Darryl Scott (31st District) and Representative Brad Bennett (32nd District) and ask for their help. It is time to wake up!
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Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 10:41 pm |
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| Let us pray that this cost cutting thought process continues.
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Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 12:24 pm |
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| Last night's decision from Levy Court is hopefully the beginning of an understanding that the taxpayer is fed up.
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Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2009 03:28 pm |
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| This location would be good as an annex to the Levy Court building, similar to the location next to City Hall that Dover chose. Dover did this after careful planning and research into what the community wanted. Since this is near a bookmobile stop, it would also fall within the service area of the Kent County Library. There are few if any similar buildings in the areas further south of the Camden library's current location.
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Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2009 01:23 pm |
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Demiglow wrote: The Delaware State News reports that the Blue Hen Mall has plenty of free space, tons of parking, and is right next to the Levy Court building (where the Kent County bookmobile makes a stop every Friday from 12:30-1:30). It is on Route 113, just past the 113/13 split and is close to routes 1 and 9, basically most all of the major North-South roads in Kent County.
Since you don't need to bother yourselves with the time and trouble of designing and planning your own building, this would be ideal for a new location. If this didn't work, you might also consider the old Value City location across the road, although the parking lot there needs work. Perhaps a library there might help revitalize this area of the County.
Sounds like a great location for a new post office or . . . *gasp* a new Dover library. No need to worry about how you're going to get into the library to work on a school project or something similiar during Old Dover Days or any of the other times that all the major streets downtown are closed.
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Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2009 05:03 am |
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The Delaware State News reports that the Blue Hen Mall has plenty of free space, tons of parking, and is right next to the Levy Court building (where the Kent County bookmobile makes a stop every Friday from 12:30-1:30). It is on Route 113, just past the 113/13 split and is close to routes 1 and 9, basically most all of the major North-South roads in Kent County.
Since you don't need to bother yourselves with the time and trouble of designing and planning your own building, this would be ideal for a new location. If this didn't work, you might also consider the old Value City location across the road, although the parking lot there needs work. Perhaps a library there might help revitalize this area of the County.
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Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2009 04:09 am |
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I wonder if anyone has given serious thought to just not having a County library? What is so essential about it? It's not like fire protection or EMT service or even a court house. It's one of those discresionary things that once you've had it you can't seem to let go and continue to dump tax money into it year after year.
With the advent of computers and cheap book clubs and all that why shouldn't people who enjoy reading pay for their own pleasure by having to subscribe to a library service instead of having it handed to them on someone else's taxes? We are in a huge financial mess now because we all have a mindset that 'the state' owes us all kinds of services.
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Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2009 03:39 am |
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| Not to worry. We will be addressing the County Library on Rt 13 soon. Dover was the first question that had to be answered. Now that it has been rejected, we are looking at our options for the County Library. The lease runs out in May, 2010, so we need to extend the lease or look for another suitable location. If you know of any space that is roughly between 8,000 and 14,000 square feet, located from Killens Pond to Camden, and from Petersburg to Frederica, contact me. We are looking for a bright, aesthetically attractive, plenty of parking, close to major roads.
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Posted: Wed Jun 17th, 2009 09:14 pm |
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| Its the Kent County library, not the Camden library. The building itself is not even within the town limits of Camden.
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Posted: Wed Jun 17th, 2009 06:46 pm |
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What the Levy Court has not addressed yet is what their vision is for the libraries in Kent County. As of now, all 4 of the libraries - Dover, Camden, Smyrna and Harrington are inadequate. Camden, Smyrna, and Harrington are way worse off in operational funding than Dover is and all have outgrown their present buildings, only one of which was actually built to be a library (Dover's).
The proposed library district would address some of these long-term issues of both capital and operational costs that the individual cities and the Levy Court cannot seem to address. With a library district, the Levy Court would still have input, but would be a step removed from the budgeting process.
One issue that too many Levy Court members arey hung up on is the concept of a regional library as well as smaller community libraries. Dover is, and will remain, the regional (anchor) library that provides certain services that the community libraries cannot afford to provide.
I think one mistake when this was originally brought up by the Dover city manager and the Kent County administrator was the idea that the Camden and Dover libraries would have to be combined. Logically this makes sense, financially this makes sense, but politically, there was too much support for maintaining both. Combined or not, it still makes sense to have the governance of both libraries under one political entity so that services arent duplicated unnecessarily. It would make still further sense to have the rest of the libraries in the county under the same library district and there is no thought given to closing any of them.
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Posted: Mon Jun 15th, 2009 09:25 pm |
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Copied below is a letter to the editor submitted to the Delaware State News. You can post your opinions by clicking on "Reply."
In response to Kent County Levy Courts decision to not provide any support or funding for the new library in Dover I have a couple of observations. Why should they? The citizens of Kent County will reap the benefits of the library any way just as they do now, and to the Levy Court members who will justify the usage by saying that they pay for the privilege — I too pay Kent County taxes, but I live in Dover and pay both Dover property taxes and Kent County taxes and so therefore I pay for Kent County residents to use the Dover library. So Kent County Levy Court will have all of the benefits of a new library plus they will satisfy the voters (very important) who want to keep the old county library without investing a penny. Pretty smooth. In the same article Mr. Angel indicated that he hoped the city would still help the county with the EMS service and then made a totally inappropriate statement about "you can’t read if you’re dead". I doubt very seriously that the City of Dover would resort to the type of tit for tat that Mr. Angel is alluding to. Professionals, especially elected officials, should keep their unprofessional thoughts to themselves. So I am in full support and agreement with Mr. Stewart. Some commissioners should think a little more before they speak.
Jean Cabana
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 08:54 pm |
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Copied below is a letter to the editor submitted to the Delaware State News. You can post your opinions by clicking on "Reply."
As I make decisions as a Levy Court Commissioner, I remind myself that emotions should not be a part of the process. Simply look at the problem, identify key questions, and then answer them to the best of my ability. For me the decision to merge or not to merge libraries comes down to the question of how we can best provide and pay for library services over the next 10-15 years.
If we agree that our county funds are limited and we need to work within an estimated pay check (tax revenue), you have to understand that our pay check 10-15 years from now will not match the required funds needed to expand our own county library AND continue to support Milford, Smyrna, Harrington and Dover effectively. That is why I believe consolidating libraries is the most efficient way to utilize the money we will have available to provide services in the future. This does not mean that I support the "Anchor" concept or the proposed location of the new Dover Library. I have concerns that the size of the Anchor library exceeds the needs and that the city would be better off building in phases. I am also concerned that the location for the library is being driven by individuals who believe that placing the library downtown will help revitalize Dover.
The Kent County Library is a wonderful place and is well-suited to serve the needs of residents in and around Camden, Delaware. I grew up in Camden and still have my home address listed as such. This does not exempt me from recognizing that general tax dollars from residents throughout Kent County are required to pay for the county library. This scenario appears to be unfair given the fact that residents from all ends of the county (Farmington, Bowers, Milford, Smyrna, Dover) have to pay for the convenience of the library in Camden. I believe that merging our services and then using the savings to increase funding to all the libraries is the fairest most efficient way to move forward because it allows us to partner with municiplaties throughout the county.
I would like to tell you that I believe we can fully fund our own library while at the same time increasing the support for our sister libraries in Milford, Smyrna, Harrington and Dover. Unfortunately, that would be misleading and disingenuous. What I see happening is that we will renew our lease in our current location and continue to stretch our dollars out. The good folks who serve our library will continue to do what they can given the resources available and eventually we will have to make a decision "down the road" on how we are going to provide /support libraries in Kent County. In the end the question will remain — How do we best provide library services and pay for it?
I thank you for the opportunity to share some of my thoughts on libraries in Kent County.
Eric Buckson
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Posted: Wed Jun 10th, 2009 10:22 pm |
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What do you think?
From the Delaware State News:
Levy Court nixes library proposal
Votes 5-2 against endorsing regional concept with Dover
By Al Kemp
Delaware State News
DOVER — The taxpayers of the city giveth, and the commissioners of the county taketh away.
That was the mood among spectators in the Levy Court chambers on a stormy Tuesday night as the seven-member body voted not to participate in an ambitious project that’s been hailed as the centerpiece of a state-of-the-art Kent County library district.
The move leaves Dover to explore financing options for the proposed $23.5 million facility, said city manager Tony DePrima.
The proposed partnership between Dover and Kent County libraries came in the form of three questions. First, does the county endorse the regional library concept? Second, will it pony up $1 million in its reserve fund to help build it? Third, will it then work to find $2.7 million more?
Levy Court Commissioner Bradley Eaby, noting the crowded chamber, asked for those who support the partnership to stand, then asked those opposed to stand. It was about equal.
Mr. Eaby noted that four different studies since 1990 have recommended the creation of an anchor library.
“The timing’s good to do this,” he urged. “If we’re going to do it, let’s do it now.”
Only Commissioner Eric Buckson agreed with him, and the motion to endorse the regional library concept failed 5-2. No one seconded the other two motions.
The anchor library would be built next to City Hall, and replace the library that was built 48 years ago on South State Street.
The state has committed money to the project, and contributions from individuals, corporations and nonprofits are also being sought. The city’s share was to have been $3.7 million, and it hoped Kent County would match that amount.
Commissioner George “Jody” Sweeney said he could not in good conscience ask taxpayers for more money just a month after Levy Court passed a property tax increase.
“Of the people who have called or e-mailed me, they were 6 to 1 in favor of keeping the county library where it is,” Mr. Sweeney said. “A Dover anchor library is a great idea but I just don’t see us finding the money to do that right now.”
Levy Court President P. Brooks Banta Banta said he had received more than 40 e-mails and phone calls about the library.
“The consensus of those who called me was 2 to 1 in favor of keeping the libraries separate,” he said.
N.C. Vasuki, a Dover resident and former director of the Delaware Solid Waste Authority, said Levy Court’s voting made no sense.
“I’m really disappointed,” Mr. Vasuki. “In effect you’re telling the city of Dover, which gives you 26 percent of your revenue, that you don’t really care about them. I get nothing in return for the taxes I pay. Nothing.”
Commissioner Allan F. Angel said he could not vote for the partnership.
“I took a good hard look at where (the new library) is going to go, and it just didn’t feel right to me,” he said.
“I hope the city will help us with our EMS expenses. You can’t read if you’re dead,” Mr. Angel added. On Wednesday, Mr. Angel called the Delaware State News to clarify his remark, explaining that that was not his personal sentiment, but something he overheard downtown after Dover Days.
Mr. Angel’s remarks didn’t sit well with resident James Stewart.
“Mr. Angel, your behavior has been reprehensible,” he said. “You should be ashamed of yourself.”
Mr. Banta asked Mr. Stewart not to disparage a commissioner.
“You work for me,” Mr. Stewart said.
Mr. Angel introduced a motion that the city and county continue exploring economic development, but it failed by a vote of 5-2.
Commissioner Harold K. Brode said he would like to see a countywide referendum settle the issue for good.
Staff writer Al Kemp can be reached at 741-8226 or akemp@newszap.com.
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Copied below is a letter to the editor submitted to the Delaware State News. You can post your opinions by clicking on "Reply."
In response to the PUBLIC FORUM guest commentary by Mr. N. C. Vasuki published on Sunday, May 31, 2009 I want to go on record to say that I concur with his well researched and written commentary. The numbers which he uses correspond with others I have read in the same categories. As a resident of Kent County and not a resident of the city of Dover I believe that the Kent County Levy Court indeed has a responsibility for providing state of the art library facilities for all residents of Kent County. Any honorable commissioner should easily understand that it shouldn’t rest on the taxpayers of Dover residents alone to provide the total funds (which the state of Delaware has the option to match up to 50%) for a building which will be accessible to all library users.
It is my understanding that the numbers in regard to the annual operational cost savings would be about $600,000 if the county and city collaborated in a joint library district. That dollar figure was the result of a joint study by the City Manager of Dover and the Kent County Administrator. That savings is a significant amount of money each year — a fact which our Levy Court commissioners apparently choose to ignore.
As a county resident I can’t imagine that the cost per borrower from the Dover City library is $3.40 per transaction and the Kent County library cost per borrower is $8.24. The transaction costs are $4.55 and $5.76 for Harrington and Smyrna which suggests that $8.24 is a significant discrepancy. If any other Kent County residents (and need I remind the residents of the city of Dover they also pay County taxes?) find this situation alarming, I would encourage you to contact your Levy Court Commissioner and state your position.
Dorothy B. Snyder
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Copied below is a guest commentary submitted to the Delaware State News. You can post your opinions by clicking on "Reply."
County council should back library
By N.C. Vasuki
In 1961, the City of Dover (City) constructed a new library on South State Street. It became a very popular spot and has served the City and Kent County very well. There are about 37,600 registered users (card holders) and they browse, borrow and return around 405,000 items (transactions) each year. That includes books, music CDs, DVDs, audio books etc. From all over Kent County, students, adults, retirees, government and business employees use the library for reference work. Since this library opened, the population of the City and Kent County has almost quadrupled. So has library usage.
More than half the users live outside the City limits and they have full access to the City library (without a fee) through a financial payment made by the County to the City. The current City library users come from all corners of the County because it has a large collection, a highly professional staff and convenient access. In 2008, it cost $ 37 per borrower and about $ 3.40 per transaction.
In comparison, the Kent County library has about 6,900 borrowers. The cost per borrower is $ 134 and $ 8.24 per transaction – significantly higher than Dover City library. Harrington and Smyrna libraries are more cost efficient also with borrower costs of $ 36.65 and $ 23.60 respectively. Their transaction costs are $ 4.55 and $ 5.76 respectively – much lower than the Kent County library.
The Mayor and the City Council noticing the growth of the City and surrounding areas have embarked on building a new 46,000-sq.ft- “Anchor “library on a parcel of city owned land adjacent to the City hall. The “Anchor” library will serve as the hub for library services for the entire County. It will be an effective resource to all County residents and will offer support for other libraries in the County. The proposed design will be a highly energy efficient green design and provide convenient parking for 187 vehicles.
The State of Delaware has recognized the proposed new library as the “Anchor” library for Central Delaware and set aside about $ 5 million as an initial grant. The Mayor and City council have set aside more than $ 3.7 million in addition to providing valuable city owned land. The Dover Library Foundation plans to raise about $ 6 million from private sources and foundations. In addition, the Friends of Dover Library has pledged a gift of $ 200,000 and continues to raise funds for the project.
Kent County Levy Court should, in all fairness, support the new “Anchor” library by providing an amount at least equal to the cash contribution of the $ 3.7 million made by the City of Dover. The County commissioners have not been forthcoming in their support. The new “Anchor” library is an essential infrastructure improvement for Central Delaware. An efficient “Anchor” library will be an attractive measure of quality of life, and along with good schools bring in good growth for the region.
The City’s residential and business property owners provide about $ 2.08 million (27 % of the County’s property tax revenue) to the County government and receive very little in turn. It is particularly grating that one member of the County Council whose district mostly covers a good portion of the City is opposing the new “Anchor” library. Mr. Brad Eaby, the other commissioner representing the City residents has been a stalwart supporter of the “Anchor” library.
The County Commissioners have correctly expressed their concern about the current state of the local economy and its impact on the budget. They are trying to cut expenses and improve efficiency of services while approving a property tax increase for all property owners to balance the County budget. The tax increase would be especially grating to City property owners if the County Council refuses to support the new “Anchor” library.
The County Administrator and the City Manager were directed to look at several options for optimizing library services. They showed that formation of a Library district supporting the new Anchor library would be the best cost efficient option. The County’s annual cost savings would be about $ 600,000 – enough to support the new Anchor library without further raising taxes or reducing services.
The County Council should seriously look at merging City and Kent County library services through the proposed Library District. Smyrna and Harrington should be invited to join also. There would be no loss of jobs. The Library District would reduce costs, improve efficiency and offer expanded services.
Instead, the County Commissioners are apparently exploring renting about 10,000-sq.ft empty shell space in a shopping center just south of Dover. That means spending more money to convert the shell into a marginal short-term library. The utility costs could also be higher if the shell is heated and cooled by conventional systems. As before, they would be spending money on rental space and move again when the lease runs out. The higher operating and capital expenses would raise the transaction cost even more than the current $ 8.24 – already the highest in the County.
Instead, would it not be great if a united City and County effort made the “Anchor” library a reality – building a real future benefiting all the residents of Kent County? Ask your Councilman to support the “Anchor” library and save money.
Editor’s note: N.C. Vasuki resides in Dover. He is the former chief executive officer of the Delaware Solid Waste Authority.
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| Aren't statistics wonderful?
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Good point! LOTS of Dover's items go to other libraries. Dover is a net-lender in the system. It's items account for almost 25% of the circulation in a 28 library system. The demand for this went way up after the merger with the 4 DTCC campuses and the Sussex libraries in 2006. In the next year or so, the New Castle County libraries may be joining the system, putting even more demand on transfers between libraries as their system has at least as many items as are currently in ours.
By the way, the reciprocal borrowing agreement among Kent County libraries does not reimburse for items borrowed from any of the DTCC libraries or the Sussex county libraries. It worked well enough for Kentnet, but a new model needs to be looked at for reimbursements to net lenders from net borrowers.
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Demiglow wrote: If you dont like that statistic, look at the circulation statistics. In 2008, Dover had more than half of all the circulation in the county at 435,000 items. Milford was next at 157,000. The Camden library was at 113,000. Plus the bookmobile's 11,000, it was still second to Milford at 124,000 items. Smyrna had 46,000 and Harrington had 38,000. Dover's circulation is 3 times that of Milford's and almost 4 times that of the Camden library's. Clearly, people are finding their way to the Dover library and in vastly greater numbers than the Camden Library, despite parking being an issue. Put another way, parking is an issue because so many people are going there.
But how much of those figures were inter-library loans? I've received books from the Laurel Library and even the DTCC Stanton library through inter-library loans. And its not as if the libraries do that for free, the county library pays a fee to Dover for all the books that are obtained through inter-library loans.
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curious reader wrote: It would be nice if they could locate a new library closer to Smyrna.
I think that Smyrna has the worst library in the State of Delaware and they are only open from 8:30 until 6 pm Mon thru Fri and completely closed on the weekends and I am told that they closed on Saturdays because they don't have the funds to stay open. We desparately need a better library. If they don't have the funds to keep this one open one extra day, then the future looks very bleak as far as getting a new one. There is one change that they could make that might make a difference and that would be to get a new director. It has gone down hill since the present one has been on the job.
Your bias against the library and dislike of the Director of the Smyrna Library is the stuff of legends...
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Sure counters are great, but you have to allow a margin of error for all the kids that go in and out, or people on cell phones. There have been times when I've been there and had stopped outside to talk with an acquaintence and saw the same kids/people going in and out constantly.
Plus the "counter" is activated everytime someone steps in front of it. Say a child and parent comes in, they are both counted. Said child runs back in front of the counter because he dropped something or wants to look at something in the display case (you get the idea), said child is counted yet again, as is the parent who passes in front of the counter to retrieve the child. Easy way to rack up the numbers. I've gone in and then gone back out to get something from my car and returned -- which means that I was counted as two patrons.
I think it was disengenious of Mr. DePrima to say that 1,000 people use the library everyday, when in reality even he must know that the number is skewed.
My biggest complaint about the Dover Library is that it is sometimes kind of scary to go there alone because of people hanging around outside. Maybe they aren't shady, but then again . . . when the children's libarian is worried about homeless people wandering about downstairs, and is constantly looking over her shoulder while opening up the meeting room, it doesn't sound too good.
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If you dont like that statistic, look at the circulation statistics. In 2008, Dover had more than half of all the circulation in the county at 435,000 items. Milford was next at 157,000. The Camden library was at 113,000. Plus the bookmobile's 11,000, it was still second to Milford at 124,000 items. Smyrna had 46,000 and Harrington had 38,000. Dover's circulation is 3 times that of Milford's and almost 4 times that of the Camden library's. Clearly, people are finding their way to the Dover library and in vastly greater numbers than the Camden Library, despite parking being an issue. Put another way, parking is an issue because so many people are going there.
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| Have you ever been to the Library and seen people coming in and out, especially children or cell phone users? I would seriously challenge the 1,000 people per day claim. Of course I would seriously question anything Primadonna states.
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As to fuzzy math : 50 people in an hour is not a statistically valid sample, especially when one doesn't bother do do the same at the comparison library.
There are way busier times at Dover, especially on Sundays at 1 or Tuesdays and Fridays at 10. The count is done by means of an electronic counter located at the exit door. Since there is more than one exit door, it may actually be an undercount.
The Camden library has done a nice job of dealing with Dover's overflow of demand, going from almost nothing 10 years ago to filling its building today, even as Dover's statistics have continued to go up.
The Camden library is, however, in Dover's service area, being located 3.7 miles from the Dover Library. It is miscast as a county library in that it does not do the services that Dover has done for decades as a more regional library. It really is a library for the Camden area (save for the bookmobile), which is not a bad thing in itself, but one that is subsidized by others in the county in ways that Dover, Harrington Smyrna and Milford aren't.
The Library District would not be a way of getting government out of the library business, it would be a way of better cooperation intergovernmentally in the region, something which has been sorely lacking as the county has grown in recent years.
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Let me put this as clearly as I possibly can. The Dover Library is a great project. It is a beautiful building and will serve many library patrons. However, I have too many reservations about the project to commit $3.7million to it over the next few years, even if only $1million is the actual spend up front. Those reservations include location, parking, location, size, and location. I sat in the parking lot on a recent Saturday and in one hour counted less than 50 people who entered the building, so I am not the only one who is using fuzzy math.
I also think that there is enough need for library services to warrant both the Dover anchor library and the County Library in a new location. To that end, I do not support funding the Dover library at the expense of the County library, or with a "promise" to help the other libraries (Smyrna, Harrington) later. It will never happen.
For those of you against the government providing library services, I might as well open THAT can of worms. I think that Library Services are an integral part of government services that do not pay for themselves. So I also won't support getting out of the library business.
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It would be nice if they could locate a new library closer to Smyrna.
I think that Smyrna has the worst library in the State of Delaware and they are only open from 8:30 until 6 pm Mon thru Fri and completely closed on the weekends and I am told that they closed on Saturdays because they don't have the funds to stay open. We desparately need a better library. If they don't have the funds to keep this one open one extra day, then the future looks very bleak as far as getting a new one. There is one change that they could make that might make a difference and that would be to get a new director. It has gone down hill since the present one has been on the job.
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tspong wrote: ... But City Manager Anthony J. DePrima said hundreds of out-of-town residents already access the existing Dover library every day.
"We have 1,000 people a day in our little library," he said. "Five hundred of them don’t live in Dover."
It really has been a while since I have been in the city library, but 1,000 people a day?? That number is difficult for me to fathom. Is it likely even close?
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Mr Sweeney wrote in March that: "Hannah McClennan had it right: if 50% of Dover's Library visitors are from outside Dover, and close to 100% of the County Library in Camden visitors are from outside of Dover, that equates to 75% of Dover and County libraries are from the county.
This is very fuzzy and incorrect math. 50% of Dover's nearly 1000 people per day combined with 100 % of vistors to Camden Library only equals 75% if the foot traffic is the same at each library. The Camden Library provided no figures as to how many visitors it had each day, but it certainly is far less than what Dover gets, despite Dover's perceived parking woes. Also some of the Camden Library's visitors ARE from Dover. The fact that Dover residents would also be County residents seems to have been missed by Mr Sweeney and Ms McClennan.
I'm guessing that if they looked at the real numbers, more county residents visit and use the Dover Library each day than the Camden one.
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What do you think?
From the Delaware State News:
Levy Court fails to support library plan
By Bruce Pringle
Delaware State News
DOVER — Kent County Levy Court declined Tuesday to move forward on a proposal to join with the city of Dover in providing library services.
In an informal vote following a lengthy discussion with representatives of the city, only three of the seven Levy Court commissioners favored continuing discussion with Dover on starting a regional library system that would feature a state-of-the-art library next to City Hall.
The three included commissioners Eric L. Buckson, Bradley S. Eaby and Richard E. Ennis. They were outvoted by Commission President P. Brooks Banta and commissioners Allan F. Angel, Harold K. Brode and George "Jody" Sweeney.
"We don’t have the money at this time to give anybody," Commissioner Brode said, referring to $3.7 million the city hoped the county would contribute toward building a new library that would be run by a board representing both the county and the city.
Commissioner Ennis agreed the county’s financial situation is problematic, but said library service may suffer in the long run if the county does not participate in creating a new library. "I feel if we don’t go forward with it now, we’re going to miss a great opportunity," he said.
Tuesday’s decision could mean Dover will be on its own in building and operating a $23.5 million facility that will replace the existing Dover Public Library.
According to Dover officials, the city’s current library draws more than 1,000 visitors a day, about half of whom live outside the city.
A number of scenarios for county-city cooperation on library management were laid out in recent months by County Administrator Michael J. Petit de Mange and Dover City Manager Anthony J. DePrima. The most prominent called for closing the county library near Camden and forming an independent library commission that would run the new library.
Such a merger would result in annual savings for both the county and city, according to the two administrators’ calculations. The county could have used its savings to finance bonds to help pay for the new library’s construction.
But Commissioner Sweeney said library services in the county are "woefully inadequate" and this is no time to close the county library — despite the promise of more seating, more computers and many other advantages at the library Dover aims to build on city land on Loockerman Street between City Hall and the Dover post office.
Commissioner Brode said, "I get calls all the time: ‘Don’t close the library and don’t take the bookmobile away from us.’"
The fate of the county bookmobile under a regional operation is unknown.
Without county participation in the project, Dover could be forced to raise an additional $3.7 million, the amount it sought from the county for construction. The city also could find itself without county help in paying annual operating costs, estimated as $1.7 million — about $300,000 more than for Dover’s existing library.
Levy Court’s decision wasn’t entirely unexpected.
City Councilman Reuben Salters said during a meeting Monday that he had been in conversation with commissioners about the library. "They’re already reluctant. I can tell you that," he said.
Councilman Salters asked Mr. DePrima at the Monday meeting about the effect of Levy Court’s declining to participate. Mr. DePrima responded that a planned fund-raising drive would have to be "greater and longer, probably much longer."
Mr. DePrima said Tuesday that issuing bonds to finance construction also was a possibility.
The state has committed money to the project, and contributions from individuals, corporations and nonprofits also are to be sought. The city is to spend $3.7 million, as it hoped the county also would do.
Construction is to begin next year. The impact of the commissioner’s decision on the project schedule remains to be seen.
Besides voting against uniting with Dover in library services, the commissioners rejected two related proposals — to earmark $1 million for a new library and to work toward raising an additional $2.7 million for the project. Commissioners Eaby and Ennis were alone in voting for both those ideas; Commissioner Angel joined them in supporting the $1 million set-aside.
Commissioner Buckson, while favoring a regional concept, said he could not support the commitment of any money under current economic conditions.
None of Tuesday’s votes amounted to official decisions. The commissioners were not in a regular Levy Court meeting, but in a Community Services Committee session. The membership of Levy Court and the committee are identical.
Staff writer Bruce Pringle can be reached at 741-8233 or bpringle@newszap.com.
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Which is why I posed it as my perfect world. Heck, we didn't even address Wesley or Del State's libraries which are available through the loaning process.
I live in Dover and use the library (been there twice this week) so I tend to be biased towards a Dover-centric solution.
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Fred, using common sense never works when politics (not politicians) comes into the mix. The politics of who will run the library (libraries?), where it will be, who funds it (Dover City Tax, increased County Library Tax, State of Delaware Sales Tax to fund community services), all comes down to the 800 pound gorilla scenario.
I am trying to look out for county interests, keeping in mind the whole time that Dover is in Kent County. Tough job.
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If you have community libraries then you need the anchor one to provide the base. I don't think it has to be, or maybe even should be in Dover, but it currently is the biggest one in Kent County and the most heavily used, and it does not meet ADA standards, so there are multiple reasons to replace it with something near.
Take into consideration that the existing Post Office space probably should be used, as well. It is city property and as I think it is the location of a previous dump, it probably has to stay in government hands. I dont think a new library will add all that much to the downtown renovation plan, but I also can see that you don't want the land vacant, either...and given a choice between a state or lawyer filled building, the weekend and late hours of the library will bring more traffic into town.
In Fred's perfect world, we'd take the existing Kent Country Library, the Dover Library and the State Library into the mix and come up with a perfect solution. We would take available space, usage, growth, cost, and accessability into consideration. Heck, I'd think about bundling them all together so we could use staff better, as well....why not move staff between the libraries?
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FRED, I like the idea of small, community libraries. They are friendlier, provide more personal service, and can really focus on their mission. Harrington, Milford, Smyrna all have one. Camden , Felton, Viola, Magnolia, will never be able to afford one, so the County will have to do for those geographic areas. Dover really needs a bigger library, but I do not see a coordinated effort with the County. I think our relationship with the libraries will continue, making it all seem like one big county system.
I have not been in the State Library for years, but from what I remember it is a research library used by lawyers and geneology researchers. They may play a part, I could not tell you how that will work out.
The economy will improve, eventually. Whether it is because of the stimulus (there is another webblog for that subject, lets not start one here), or because we finally hit rock bottom and have no where else to go but up. When it does, I consider libraries a part of government services. Others don't on Levy Court, but it will work itself out.
The Post Office lease for the building they are in now runs out next year, I think. When it does, there has been some talk of them moving out of town. If that happens, the space goes back to the City of Dover (the Building was leased on a 50 year lease in 1960). If the library is there, the building will go away.
I keep saying this, so we have to get by it. Dover needs the library on that spot of land to cap the downtown renovation efforts. I honestly don't think it will ever be said by anyone but me, but they won't consider an edge of town library (like Schutte Park).
And BOY am I wordy!!
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Fred wrote: If one wants to keep a library in the downtown (and I have mixed feelings on this) then there is only so much land that can be used. I tend to think the Post Office Site is not a bad one, but the one thing it has going for it is that it will soon be vacant.
Fred --- I do not tune in frequently, but I notice that people believe the post office location will be a good place for a library. I have not seen anything that suggests the post office has plans to relocate. Have I missed that?? Fill me in, please?
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Do you think the down economy will last forever, Jody? I don't.
I support the concept of a new library, and believe that for a lot of reasons the one in Dover needs to be replaced. I don't think it has to be a new building, and I don't think it has to be downtown Dover (although given the popularity of it, one would be needed eventually).
We need to PLAN, Jody. We need to hear plans, even if they are long term,and we need to be aware that other things are happening that have a bearing on the issue. If one wants to keep a library in the downtown (and I have mixed feelings on this) then there is only so much land that can be used. I tend to think the Post Office Site is not a bad one, but the one thing it has going for it is that it will soon be vacant.
What would be your plan? Do you think we should consolidate the libraries? If so, it would have to be one big honkin' building. Heck, I'd throw the State Library into the mix, as well. There has to be some way of expanding in a smart and controlled manner.
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| Building a new buiding in this economy is irresponsible, regardless of whether it is a County, Dover, Bridgeville, or Smyrna Library. Dover wants their library to cap their downtown renovation and to draw visitors downtown. Elimination of the County Library in Camden accomplishes that. I can't support that, and I hope they understand. But, I also can't support buiding a County Library and if Dover were to agree to build the Library at the outskirts of town, I would not support a new building in this economy.
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| the county complex is in the city of Dover. How about building a library together with Dover on the county complex grounds?
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A bowling alley, movie theater, and casino are NOT downtown. The parking is horrendous at the best of times. Cost of a new Library during this economic downturn seems to be reckless and irresponsible. While the plan that was put forth by the County Administrator and City Manager was very thorough, I can't support a unified library located in downtown Dover. Hannah McClennan had it right: if 50% of Dover's Library visitors are from outside Dover, and close to 100% of the County Library in Camden visitors are from outside of Dover, that equates to 75% of Dover and County libraries are from the county. Why build a library where the people AREN'T? That is like building roads where no one is going to go!
This issue is going to come to a head pretty soon. Personally, I like the County Library and the Bookmobile. I am constantly reading and see the value of the service both bring to the County. I surely don't want to alienate Dover Library patrons but now is not the time to be raising every tax from cigarettes and income tax to property and alcohol, and building a brand new library.
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| It would be nice to go to a library that has plenty of room and all the books - rather than having to go online and reserve a book, then wait for it to be transported and a letter to be sent that it has arrived (which costs money). I'd like to see more controls over the public's handling of the books - because so many of the books are in terrible condition. If they return the book damaged pay up or lose privileges. I think people will drive to the library, they drive to the bowling alley, movies, and casino - why not the library?
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From the Delaware State News: Library Merger Mulled
Proposal gets mixed reaction from crowd
By Bruce Pringle
Delaware State News
DOVER — A proposal to merge the libraries of Dover and Kent County drew mixed reviews from a standing-room-only crowd Monday evening.
While some of the approximately 75 residents in the audience at the Kent County Levy Court Administrative Complex praised the concept of merging the two library departments and creating a single, state-of-the-art facility next to City Hall, others bemoaned the possibility of the county’s library in Camden being closed. The existing Dover library, on South State Street, also would close.
The consolidation would save money for both the city and the county, according to a report compiled jointly by the two governments.
Combining forces to produce a much better library than now available in Kent County makes sense under current economic conditions, argued Dr. Basilio N. Bautista, who lives near Wyoming.
But Camden resident Hannah McLennan said proponents of consolidation put "too much focus on money and not enough on service."
Merging two libraries into one, she said, is the opposite of what is appropriate.
"We need more than two libraries," Ms. McLennan said. "We probably need four libraries."
Critics of the merger also questioned the proposed location. But City Manager Anthony J. DePrima said hundreds of out-of-town residents already access the existing Dover library every day.
"We have 1,000 people a day in our little library," he said. "Five hundred of them don’t live in Dover."
But if half the users of the Dover library and most users of the Camden library live outside the city, Ms. McLennan asked, why propose "putting the library where the people aren’t?"
Officials noted that the proposed site need not be purchased. The city owns it and has long considered building a library there, even if the county doesn’t participate in the project.
Mr. DePrima also assured the audience that parking spaces would be plentiful and would be monitored to prevent their use by workers in nearby office buildings.
"I can assure you we are addressing the parking by putting in more parking spaces than required under our zoning code and under national library standards," he said.
The latest official cost estimate for the library is around $18 million, according to Mr. DePrima, who said a new, probably higher estimate is due soon. The city already has set aside $3.7 million, which the county would match. The city also expects financial help from the state and from private contributors. In addition, proceeds from a sale of the current Dover library could be applied to the construction cost.
Operating two libraries, Mr. DePrima said, costs $2.1 million a year while running just one would cost about $1.7 million.
A commission, consisting of both city and county appointees, would set "one budget, one agenda, one set of priorities," said County Administrator Michael J. Petit de Mange.
He, Mr. DePrima and Kent Levy Court commissioners George "Jody" Sweeney and Eric C. Buckson emphasized that many possibilities for the libraries exist. A number of options were discussed, including continuing separate operations of the two libraries.
"This is a work in progress," Mr. Petit de Mange said. "No decisions have been made."
"We’re nowhere near putting a stamp on anything," Mr. Buckson said.
Staff writer Bruce Pringle can be reached at 741-8233 or bpringle@newszap.com.
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| See you at the polls next election.
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There is a meeting of the Kent County Library Advisory Committee on Monday night at 5:00pm at levy Court. These meetings are very controlled but are open to the public. I asked for this meeting to open discussion from this panel which is chartered to provide advice to the Commissioners.
I have an opinion about the libraries and everyone knows the saying about opinions. I like the County Library and the services it offers. Most of the people I have spoken to are not all that interested in driving downtown to the library.
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| Perhaps one needs to look at the cost per book loaned with the bookmobile. But, then that makes sense.
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| I'd like to see the bookmobile keep going, but if you've got to cut services, there has to be some areas that are cut. I suspect that there is room for compromise, where the bookmobile will get around but not quite as often as people are used to.
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Playing the Game wrote: I believe that jobs are the key to attracting people to a community. Not the library. I have nothing against libraries being funded by communities, just the building of new buildings when there are no jobs and no money to go around.
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Have you looked at Kent County's budget? You can view it on the Kent County website under the Finance section. Note the increases in the Administration building costs over the last several years. Note the revenue versus the expenditures for the Parks and Recreation division; revenue steady at $340,000 each year and expenses steadily climbing - that's where the money is going. Parks budget figure for 2009 - over $1,000,000. Can't wait to see 2010 budget figures. Thank goodness the field house east of 13 didn't go through.
Time to park the bookmobile and make it a museum - it's costly and the funds would be better spent on a decent library.
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Copied below is a letter to the editor submitted to the Delaware State News. You can post your opinions by clicking on "Reply."
I am not writing this letter as an uninterested or objective commentator. After I retired from teaching, I was employed for eight years as a Bookmobile Technician for the Kent County Library.
There are rumblings of a possibility that the Levy Court might decide to leave the library business as a cost cutting measure. Along with many others, some of whom are not former or current employees, this is a very alarming proposition.
From an economic position, this does not make any sense. How is it a saving to invest so much in financial and human resources into an enterprise, and then drop it? Not long ago, there was talk of getting a new and better building for the library.
The same apparent counter logical idea is that if a business is doing poorly, it must lay off workers. This becomes even less reasonable in the current economy. If people are not buying things, does it make any sense to make more people unable to spend any money? Doesn’t it at least seem more reasonable to keep as many people earning some money as possible, rather than just more unemployed?
What good does it do for a bank or mortgage company to foreclose on a delinquent home buyer, anymore? The house cannot be sold. What good is it empty? Doesn’t it make sense to keep the homeowner in it, with an affordable payment, than let it sit empty and idle?
I know I am not an entrepreneur, but it seems obvious to me that a mortgage payment of $100 a month is more than nothing a month. This kind of unthinking response to the current economy just doesn’t make any sense at all to me.
Getting back to the library, it was established at first for a reason. There were people in the County that wanted and needed access to a library that Dover was not providing. I know this is complete news to some of the Dover fathers, but there are people in Kent County that are not sitting at home anxiously waiting for the next chance to drive into Dover for something.
Working on the Bookmobile, I met many people who were so happy that they could avoid going into Dover and not finding a parking space. They considered us a blessing.
One of the main functions of government is to provide citizens with needed services only a government can offer. Most people accept the dictum that Reading is Fundamental. Thomas Jefferson, in particular, and not just him, believed that an informed citizenry is essential in a democracy.
Does not Kent County have this obligation to help its constituents be allowed to be informed? It should not be limited to only Dover residents.
Modern libraries provide much more than just books and magazines. In this current economy, access to computers should be as wide as possible to help our people weather this situation.
I just cannot understand this mentality that seems to be saying that all we can do is hunker down in our shells like terrapins, and close ourselves in. If we cannot see out, or do anything, how do we help improve the situation?
Kent County made a commitment years ago to help the citizens of this County to have better access to libraries. Now is not the time to renege on that obligation.
Grover W. Johnson
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| I believe that jobs are the key to attracting people to a community. Not the library. I have nothing against libraries being funded by communities, just the building of new buildings when there are no jobs and no money to go around.
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Posted: Mon Mar 9th, 2009 12:46 pm |
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A good library is key to attracting people to a community. An expanded and enhanced library would be for everyone, not just a few. If you don't want to use it, that's your prerogitive. There are lots of people who want one and would like to see it done. Further, it should be a collaborative effort between Dover and Kent County. One of the biggest drawbacks we have here is the idea that we should remain the same as we've been for the last dozen or so decades. We'll, that ain't going to happen. Natives are already out-numbered by transplants. Many move here from other locales because of astronomic expenses. Are we going to see our taxes to up?
Absolutely ! Get over it. Either that or move to the swamps of Sussex or the marshes of Kent, where you'll get what you pay for.
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