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Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 08:11 pm |
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| Actually it was a completely rhetorical question, because we all know the answer -- they used a picture of Ben Franklin -- satisfactory identification at many places of business.
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Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 07:48 pm |
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Two Cents wrote: I wonder what the Amish folks used for identification when they obtained their cell phones?
This is a very good question and it is being overlooked. Does anyone know the answer to it!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Mon Apr 13th, 2009 11:58 am |
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How have they been cashing checks all along? I would suggest they find a bank that they establish trust with and let the bank decide if they want to provide the service. I am sure some of the small local banks will.
It is not the duty or pervue of the County to provide an identification card that could be lost or stolen easily and used to carry out a fraud.
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Posted: Mon Apr 13th, 2009 09:19 am |
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Jody.Sweeney wrote: If you are not planning to travel via plane or rail, you still need some type of identification for things like cashing a check, either one that is given to you or one that you write. It can contain pertinent but identifying information, like height, weight, hair color, eye color, and in the County's case, a fingerprint.
I see. Then, we are to expect that banks and other businesses that accept checks from our Amish friends have fingerprint analysis available to verify the card presented was issued to the person using it?
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Posted: Mon Apr 13th, 2009 03:42 am |
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The Federal Real ID act requires that any person who wishes to travel via plane or rail must have a Federal Standard Identification Card. That card MUST contain a picture of the owner of the card.
If you are not planning to travel via plane or rail, you still need some type of identification for things like cashing a check, either one that is given to you or one that you write. It can contain pertinent but identifying information, like height, weight, hair color, eye color, and in the County's case, a fingerprint.
We are doing something for our Amish Community who have a religious aversion to placing a picture of themselves on an ID card. What can possibly be wrong with that?
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Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 04:32 pm |
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| How is an "ID" card an "ID" card without a photograph? It isn't!
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Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 04:18 pm |
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| they were able to obtain ID cards at DMV without a photo. The DMV will no longer be allowed to issue ID's without photos. Last edited on Sat Apr 11th, 2009 04:23 pm by taxpayertoo
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Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 12:52 am |
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My point exactly.
Two Cents wrote:
I wonder what the Amish folks used for identification when they obtained their cell phones?
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Posted: Fri Apr 10th, 2009 07:20 pm |
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| I can appreciate them trying to live a simpler life. It is something I would like to do when I retire. The only thing I have a little heartburn about is that I have served my country to protect the liberties they enjoy. They get the benefit of living the way they want to without having to help protect their rights and freedoms. Some of those young people would be well to serve a hitch in Uncle Sams military.
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Posted: Fri Apr 10th, 2009 05:55 pm |
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| I wonder what the Amish folks used for identification when they obtained their cell phones?
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Posted: Fri Apr 10th, 2009 05:49 pm |
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If a group of people profess to believe in a particular manner, they are entitled to religious freedom and protection.
When a group chooses to pick and choose from a cafeteria menu what they actually believe in, they do not.
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Posted: Fri Apr 10th, 2009 04:22 pm |
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The cards offered by Kent County will not be legal for travelling on any form of transportation requiring a Federal ID card. The Federal REAL ID Act requires a picture ID for travelling on planes or trains. The cards we are offering are for cashing checks that are given to them by the English, and to cash their own checks at stores, like Wal-mart. We have already confirmed with Wal-mart that they will accept our form of identification.
Thank goodness the Native Americans did not tell us welcome to America, live with our rules. Ease up!
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Posted: Thu Apr 9th, 2009 03:28 am |
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| They should only accept cash with their beliefs. Onus on them up front.
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Posted: Thu Apr 9th, 2009 03:12 am |
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Playing the Game wrote: Welcome to America. Live with our rules or don't. If the Amish choose not to follow the rules, then so be it. Why would they want an Englisher identification card? Because they want to travel on an airplane? Against their beliefs. To open a bank account? Against their beliefs.
Tell me why a true believer in their way of life needs anything from the Englishers?
Well, one of the reasons I can think of would be to cash the checks of us English when we pay them for the work they hire out to do. We sometimes pay cash but checks are part of the expected commerce for their carpentry and masonry work.
You're right about the airplanes. The horses don't like that baggage compartment and the baggage handlers don't like the clean up 
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Posted: Thu Apr 9th, 2009 01:40 am |
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Welcome to America. Live with our rules or don't. If the Amish choose not to follow the rules, then so be it. Why would they want an Englisher identification card? Because they want to travel on an airplane? Against their beliefs. To open a bank account? Against their beliefs.
Tell me why a true believer in their way of life needs anything from the Englishers?
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Posted: Thu Apr 9th, 2009 12:11 am |
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$40 seems rather expensive. A driver's license is only $25.
National security is very important and we cannot make it easy for people to get fraudulent ID cards. The article says that the ID card may be made available to other people, too. What steps will the county take to make sure their staff can detect fraudulent documents presented to obtain the ID card?
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 03:14 pm |
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What do you think?
From the Delaware State News:
Amish run into post-9/11 need for photo IDs
Kent moves to offer photo-free card to local sect members
By Bruce Pringle
Delaware State News
DOVER — One security initiative undertaken since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks has created difficulties for members of the Dover-area Amish community.
Increased demand for photo identification cards — at train stations and airports, for example — has led to members of the Amish faith being unable to obtain ID cards from Delaware Division of Motor Vehicles.
The problem: The Amish, for religious reasons, decline to be photographed. DMV, citing post-Sept. 11 federal regulations, no longer issues cards without photographs.
As their state-issued, photo-less ID cards expire, Amish residents are finding that obtaining a medical prescription or cashing a check can be unusually burdensome, if not impossible.
"Anywhere they ask for identification," a problem may arise, said Sam Troyer, who lives west of Dover.
But for Kent County residents, at least, the problem may be lessened within a few months.
Mr. Troyer was among a half-dozen Amish men who attended a Tuesday night meeting of Kent County Levy Court, which informally agreed to begin issuing county identification cards similar to those once available from DMV. An official vote could come as early as Levy Court’s meeting next Tuesday, and the program could be in operation by June.
A card, available to people whose beliefs forbid their being voluntarily photographed, would cost $40 and be valid for five years. While the county card likely would not be honored in places such as airports, where federal- or state-issued identification is demanded, that should not be a problem for a people who largely shun modernity, said Levy Court President P. Brooks Banta.
"These people would never board an aircraft," he said. "They have no reason to go to Canada."
Originally labeled the "Amish Verification Card," the card is to be renamed to reflect the fact that it will be available to others as well.
"I can’t say enough about how thankful we are," Amishman Henry Byler told commissioners. He credited Commissioner Banta with making an extraordinary effort to launch the program.
Commissioner Banta said before the Tuesday meeting that he had worked on the matter since July, when he was informed of Amish people having trouble cashing checks. The proposed county card, he said, already has been reviewed at Wal-Mart headquarters in Bentonville, Ark., and found to be acceptable for use in that company’s stores.
"The Amish people," he said, "are an essential part of our economic engine" because of their prominent role in agriculture. "We should do all we can to help them."
During the meting, he told Mr. Byler he hopes the Amish remain in Kent County, rather than move to less populated areas as some Eastern Amish have done.
Mr. Byler noted that Kent is changing. "It’s getting crowded down here," he said. "It’s getting bad."
Staff writer Bruce Pringle can be reached at 741-8233 or bpringle@newszap.com.
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