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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 06:27 pm |
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| It is interesting that once in office the only way out is to resign. It seems the voters do not want their representative to loose their seniority regardless how poorly they represent their district. They apparently please some voters some of the time.
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| I am actually surprised that she filed to run again. She does have competition already, however.
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Playing the Game wrote: Nice to see that she didn't bother to cast a vote on the budget this year. Guess she was too busy at her full time job.
Trust me ... she wasn't to busy there either !
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number in this instance public opinion is the only way justice is going to get served. In this case we have 3 officials who may have collaborated for personal gain to get the case dismissed forthwith asap.
Elected officials know when they take the office they are being scutinized by the very people who elected them to office. It is the american way and has been that way for a very long time. It does not always work as it should, for example the tammany hall years were the worse in our history and it took some very brave individuals to get it corrected. The prohitbition years were also very bad but eventually they did change.
I do not always agree with everything said on this forum but it is an appropriate place to let others know what is your opinion. News media in the last 20 years have seen a decline in unbiased reporting and the american people are taking steps to get the information by other means, such as this forum. Email is another means to get information out to the people who need to know.
I respect the fact someone is taking the matter to court and letting the court system decide on the matter. That is being proactive and should be commended for such brave actions. It is far better than most people who just spew filth on this forum without regard for solutions.
If you do not like some of the things said on this forum then back it up with facts and figures that show a different view than one presented. Or answer the questions that linger about the case such as why the state auditor did not ask for an opinion from the attorney general when he was given the opportunity. Someone believes it is collusion for personal gain, what is your opinion?
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"...completely stop government from working."
Gridlock! What a novel concept.
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Buckle Up wrote: NUMBER 1 – What planet do you live on. Haven’t you ever heard of the “Court of Public Opinion”. I guess I’m not allowed to speak ill of Ms. Nancy even though she is elected to Represent the People – including you. “GREEN LIGHT” to all alleged corrupt politicians according to Number 1.
As for the Court dismissing the case because Bob alleged corrupt behavior against Nancy Wagner – haven’t you ever heard of the FIRST AMENDMENT? I agree the law is about protecting people even Nancy. But the law is also about punishing those who stray. Making allegations of corrupt behavior against Nancy Wagner is not against the law.
Finally, please don't come back with "slander or defamation of character" by Bob against Nancy Wagner. You will lose that one too.
Buckle up, corruption happens at every level of politics. Look hard enough and you can completely stop government from working. Your allegations have done nothing to change that!! Before Nancy there was Bruce Reynolds...where were you then? Come on Bob...get a life. By the way I am just another cog in the wheel. I have no power to keep you from speaking your mind! But you have no power to keep me from speaking mine!!
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Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 04:15 pm |
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You know, those of us who live in Nancy's district have seen in increase in correspondence from her office in these last 2 years. This includes 2 "Town Meetings" of which neither was I able to attend due to other obligations at the time.
OK person, but I think that, deep down, she knows that it's time for another Republican to step up and take that legislative spot. And we, as voters, can't keep returning the same person to office every election. That's how legislative arrogance exponentially increases.
BTW, I don't believe that defamation, slander, and libel laws are really enforceable against elected public officials. They may win in trial court, but I doubt that an appeals court will uphold such judgments.
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NUMBER 1 – What planet do you live on. Haven’t you ever heard of the “Court of Public Opinion”. I guess I’m not allowed to speak ill of Ms. Nancy even though she is elected to Represent the People – including you. “GREEN LIGHT” to all alleged corrupt politicians according to Number 1.
As for the Court dismissing the case because Bob alleged corrupt behavior against Nancy Wagner – haven’t you ever heard of the FIRST AMENDMENT? I agree the law is about protecting people even Nancy. But the law is also about punishing those who stray. Making allegations of corrupt behavior against Nancy Wagner is not against the law.
Finally, please don't come back with "slander or defamation of character" by Bob against Nancy Wagner. You will lose that one too.
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Buckle Up wrote: Number 1 sez -- Buckle-up, you make unsubstantiated leaps of logic. This is why Bob and "his crew" (if in fact he has the support he says he has) don't stand a chance in court!!
Buckle-up sez -- Bob doesn’t need support. All he needs is the law to do its job. Obviously, you have no respect for the law. However, if Reeder is given a fair shot in this court case all three defendants will be in deep “Number 2” (Auditor Tom Wagner/Nancy Wagner and the Capital School District). Incidentally, I understand all three defendants are still refusing to request an Opinion from the Attorney General on Nancy Wagner’s alleged “double dipping” behavior. Care to speculate why? Number 1 – are you sure your name isn’t “Bud”.
Buckle up, I have the utmost respect for the law! It is your lame attempts to have Nancy tried in the court of public opinion that I have NO respect for! If I am the defense attorney one of the first questions I ask Bob is if he is the author of some of this mess. When he answers "yes!" I'd move to have the whole thing thrown out! The law is about protecting people even Nancy.
I am not voting for her Bob. It's time for change. She is not nearly as effective as she once was. I don't think that is a position "Bud" would have. My position is simply this: use your negative energy to attack something that might actually help the community!
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She served herself well in the district for a long time and convinced her district to re-elect her, much like Vaughn and Ennis in Smyrna.
I vote for quality not party affiliation. She is a foul mouthed bimbo.
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She served the district well for a long time, so I see no need to call her a bimbo....but I say bring on Kaza.
Sheesh, CR...between supporting Markell and whoever runs against Nancy, people are going to start talking about you.....
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Since she represents the people of her district she damn well better have a dog in the budget battle. This bimbo needs to find the exit door.
Two Cents wrote:
Maybe she had no dog in that fight this year.
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Number 1 sez -- Buckle-up, you make unsubstantiated leaps of logic. This is why Bob and "his crew" (if in fact he has the support he says he has) don't stand a chance in court!!
Buckle-up sez -- Bob doesn’t need support. All he needs is the law to do its job. Obviously, you have no respect for the law. However, if Reeder is given a fair shot in this court case all three defendants will be in deep “Number 2” (Auditor Tom Wagner/Nancy Wagner and the Capital School District). Incidentally, I understand all three defendants are still refusing to request an Opinion from the Attorney General on Nancy Wagner’s alleged “double dipping” behavior. Care to speculate why? Number 1 – are you sure your name isn’t “Bud”.
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| Maybe she had no dog in that fight this year.
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| Nice to see that she didn't bother to cast a vote on the budget this year. Guess she was too busy at her full time job.
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Buckle Up -Link, please. Thanks.
Disgusted – I was away from computer access for a couple of weeks so I didn’t get a chance to respond to your “link” request. I read about the Bud Wagner email incident in an article in the Sunday News Journal a couple of weeks ago. I don’t know of any “link” to the article. Sorry!
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Buckle Up wrote: It was interesting to read in today's (6/22/08) News Journal that the Department of Corrections was refusing to release emails produced on State owned computers both to and from "Bud" Wagner (Ms. Nancy's husband). Emails by State Employees on State owned computers are considered public documents under the Delaware Freedom of Information Law. Of course the fact that the Department of Corrections depends on the Joint Finance Committee for their money (Ms. Nancy is a member) would certainly not be a factor in that Departments refusal to follow the law. I'm sure at least Old Dover Guy and Number One would agree politics is playing no role in the failure of the Department of Corrections to follow Delaware Law and release "Bud" Wagner's public documents.
Buckle-up, you make unsubstantiated leaps of logic. This is why Bob and "his crew" (if in fact he has the support he says he has) don't stand a chance in court!!
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Buckle Up -Link, please. Thanks.
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| It was interesting to read in today's (6/22/08) News Journal that the Department of Corrections was refusing to release emails produced on State owned computers both to and from "Bud" Wagner (Ms. Nancy's husband). Emails by State Employees on State owned computers are considered public documents under the Delaware Freedom of Information Law. Of course the fact that the Department of Corrections depends on the Joint Finance Committee for their money (Ms. Nancy is a member) would certainly not be a factor in that Departments refusal to follow the law. I'm sure at least Old Dover Guy and Number One would agree politics is playing no role in the failure of the Department of Corrections to follow Delaware Law and release "Bud" Wagner's public documents.
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Rofl okay I get it now lol. Whata great play on words Fred and a great reply Bob.
Hope you both do not mind but I may use that in the future hehe.
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Skjuda wrote: Okay I will bite what the heck does quixotic nature mean and how did you mean it?
Sorry I tried looking it up but still confused.
Our guy Fred is referring to Don Quixote, the crazy loon who despite the urgings of those around him (including his sidekick Sancho Panza), jousted with windmills he believed were dragons.
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Okay I will bite what the heck does quixotic nature mean and how did you mean it?
Sorry I tried looking it up but still confused.
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Fred: I don’t believe anyone should look at this delay in a conspiracy way. The Judge is probably on vacation in July and August 5th was his first open date after June 16th. Disappointment – yes. But life is full of disappointments and on a scale of 1 to 10 this is a zero.
However, I do have a good conspiracy theory that Nancy Wagner supporters can use if she loses. The Joint Finance Committee (Wagner is a member) voted against two new Judges for Superior Court last week. I’m certain the Superior Court Judges aren’t happy with the Joint Finance Committee. But that shouldn't influence a Judges ruling -- should it!
Incidentally Fred, your “quixotic nature” comment is the product of pure speculation and is taken as such. But like most of us agree – we are entitled to our opinion in this forum as long as it is civil.
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| Thanks, Bob....while I have expressed my doubts regarding the quixotic nature of your quest, I can imagine it is frustrating to have the case set back two months. It is, of course, a normal process that judges routinely allow, but I am sure it feeds into some of the darker conspiracy theories.....
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Wagner/Wagner/Capital School District hearing schedule change – Auditor R. Thomas Wagner’s Legal Counsel has requested the Motion To Dismiss Hearing be rescheduled from June 16, 2008 to August 5, 2008 (the court's next available date). He informed the Judge he would be out of town on 6/16 and would be unable to attend the hearing that day. The Judge has accepted the reschedule request. Just an update for those who are interested.
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truth dude wrote: Poltergeist wrote:
Bob, I just have a question. Do you have any real support?
A question that deserves an answer. YES! Including several legislators (some in her own party) who are very angry at Wagner's "Double Dipping" behavior.
Thank you Bob. I am sure you have constraints, but I sure would like to know the names of your supporters. Good luck and as Fred said, "You are going to need it."
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Poltergeist wrote:
Bob, I just have a question. Do you have any real support?
A question that deserves an answer. YES! Including several legislators (some in her own party) who are very angry at Wagner's "Double Dipping" behavior.
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| Old Dover Guy – I know who I am but what about you? Do you want to be referred to as "Les W." or would you rather be called "Bud W."? The next time Ms. Nancy allows you to speak why not ask her to request an Attorney General Opinion on her “taxpayer paid planning period” and the “State Compensation Policy” (DOUBLE DIPPING LAW)? If I’m not mistaken that is the basis for Reeder’s lawsuit. Guess what! If she requested the Opinion this case would probably be over. That is obviously what you and her are worried about.
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Poltergeist wrote: Bob, I just have a question. Do you have any real support?
lol
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| 12750..woohoo
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| Bob, I just have a question. Do you have any real support?
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| You're toast on this forum Les.
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LES -- It must take real guts to make anonymous gutter crawling remarks like yours. Nancy Wagner should be real pleased to have a supporter like you.
Perhaps you are willing to follow Bob Reeder's lead and identify yourself. Just kidding – individuals like you rarely risk coming out into the open.
In fact I have a better idea that might prove me wrong about your lack of bravery. Since you know who Bob is why don't you repeat your post to his face. I saw in the Dover Post that he is teaching a defensive driving class at the Modern Maturity Center this coming Monday evening.
I personally spoke to Bob and asked him if he would be concerned about me inviting you to tell him personally what you have so "bravely posted about him anonymously". His response was interesting. I quote: "Having a Soviet built MIG closing in on my 6 o'clock position off the coast of Cuba in 1963 was a concern. Anonymous mud slinging bloggers the likes of Les are of no concern."
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I do believe les is going to have a new forum name soon 
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Bob....good luck...I think you are going to need it.
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Two weeks from today (June 16, 2008/2:00 PM) legal counsel for Nancy Wagner, Auditor Thomas Wagner and Capital School District Superintendent Michael Thomas will appear in Superior Court to petition the dismissal of the “double dipping” complaint filed against them. The decision by the Judge on this petition does not equate to guilt or innocence of the charges. It basically will be a determination of whether I as a taxpayer have a right to ask the Court to hear the complaint.
When I return home from the Court Hearing on 6/16/08 I intend to blog the result if available. However, I doubt the judge will make his decision on the spot. It may even be weeks before a decision is rendered. But as soon as I learn the result I will publish that result.
My decision to blog this information is based on my belief there are many of you who are interested in the outcome. However, I do recognize there are a few brainless contributors to this blog site that will engage in petty personal attacks -- I will not respond. You have that right just the same as Nancy Wagner and her codefendants have the right to request the complaint be dismissed on technicalities rather than a hearing of the evidence.
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Poltergeist wrote: Sort of reminds me of the funny announcer who comes in right as Batman and Robin are about to be done in by the evil doer....Will Fred's words continue to be twisted??? Will Skjuda reveal his secret identity??? Can Bob keep his unrequited love under wraps??? Find out next week...Same Bob channel, Same Bob time!!!
LOL and the really funny thing is my first name is Robert and everyone calls me Bob hehe
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Poltergeist wrote: Sort of reminds me of the funny announcer who comes in right as Batman and Robin are about to be done in by the evil doer....Will Fred's words continue to be twisted??? Will Skjuda reveal his secret identity??? Can Bob keep his unrequited love under wraps??? Find out next week...Same Bob channel, Same Bob time!!!
I believe you meant - Same Bob time, Same Bob channel....but whatever...a cartoon in the works. I think someone has run out of dynamite sticks and is royally p'd off that Acme cut him off.....as one infamous roadrunner once said, "BEEP BEEP"!.....
ODG - out.
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| Sort of reminds me of the funny announcer who comes in right as Batman and Robin are about to be done in by the evil doer....Will Fred's words continue to be twisted??? Will Skjuda reveal his secret identity??? Can Bob keep his unrequited love under wraps??? Find out next week...Same Bob channel, Same Bob time!!!
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Fred, the 2006 Dual Employment Audit is a public document. I have a copy of it. In that public document Auditor Wagner actually states that he asked for an Attorney General Opinion on the State Compensation Policy as it relates to Nancy Wagner. However, his own legal Counsel Deputy Attorney General Broujos warned him in that same legal document that he did not ask for an Attorney General Opinion on the State Compensation Policy. It seems our Auditor only asked the Attorney General if the Capital School District contract allowed Nancy Wagner to leave the school building during the contract school day. When the answer came back yes Nancy Wagner could leave the school during the contract workday the same as all other teachers Auditor Wagner proclaimed Nancy Wagner innocent of “double dipping”.
Fred, I believe even you would have to admit intentional deception by Auditor Wagner. Our Auditor is obviously counting on technicalities rather than face the wrath of Nancy Wagner to sliver out of this potential career buster. “Double dipping” is not leaving the school building during the workday. “Double dipping” is receiving a second state pay during the Capital School District contract workday – that is the law.
In there anyone out there who doesn’t believe Auditor Wagner should have immediately ask for a State Compensation Policy once his own legal counsel (Deputy Attorney General Broujos) warned him no such AG Opinion was requested?
Fred, I’m actually beginning to believe you are playing the devil’s advocate. If you are you are doing a great job.
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I agree they may feel it is not warranted to pursue the matter based on what they persieve of the evidence. But once someone brought the matter to a court someone should have asked for an investigation just to cover their collective butts.
At the point it was taken to court the choices would have been 1 - pay lawyers to keep it out of court 2 - ask for an investigation that may prove the case is fruitless or 3 - have the ag make an opinion on all matters.
Option one was chosen and I wonder what the reason for that decision. Seems to be collusion to protect something or someone. Maybe and I say maybe with no evidence that a deal was made between the parties for some gain in political power. Each could gain from collusion since she sits on a powerful board.
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Wagner and Biden both could have asked for an investigation to see how much is actual and how petty it really turns out to be. Since neither chose to do so it appears they are in collusion or agreement at least to not pursue the matter. .
Or, it means that neither sees any validity to the case. You have to at least admit that is a possibility.
Look....If you read much of what I write, you know that I lean the exact opposite of Nancy. My point is that just because one doesn't ask for an investigation doesn't mean that they are hiding something.
I don't think Bob's PURSUIT is petty; I think that the AG and Auditor either think there is nothing actionable, subject to their interpretation, OR that "provable" material is petty. Big difference, and please don't misconstrue what I said. I'm seeing a lot of this attempts at me (saying I attacked Bill's Marine background, for instance) because I don't buy that Nancy, Beau, and Tom are all in cahoots to hide something. Some here think that their reading of the law makes things simple and clear, but it ain't always so.
I really try hard to be fair to all politicians, and probably am MORE fair to Repubs then Dems. I think she needs to go; for me, the final straw was the discovery of her push to get her husband's job on the various bills through the years. However, I don't see that as a legal matter as much as a character or ethical one.
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Fred, how petty is it really? At this point we do not know how many times she double dipped and according to the estimate it could be up to 50,000.
Wagner and Biden both could have asked for an investigation to see how much is actual and how petty it really turns out to be. Since neither chose to do so it appears they are in collusion or agreement at least to not pursue the matter. Asking for an investigation would not have cost either anything in political terms and could be used to further thier own goals. It seems by the facts so far the three and maybe others have decided to forego investigation for some unknown reason, or least unknown to us the citizens.
Again truth dude is just trying to get a straight answer and some accountability in what happened. Whether it was petty or not an investigation should have been started long ago. By not asking I consider that collusion.
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Fred, I wonder how many hard working Delawareans think it is "petty" when a State Representative who also holds another State job (combined salary approximately $125,000 per year) decides to violate the law and “double dipped”. I suppose you would even think it "petty" if more of Wagner’s political colleagues joined in and took your hard earned money by duplicating Nancy Wagner’s “double dipping” behavior because that is exactly what will happen if she is allowed to get away with her greedy “double dipping” maneuver.
Fred, I’m certain Bob Reeder knows his chances of holding a powerful legislator accountable are not good. However, to describe his efforts as addressing “a relatively petty matter” is a low blow. Of course, you are entitled to your opinion.
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Posted: Thu May 29th, 2008 09:41 am |
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| I've said as much, that both want to move on, but find it hard to believe that they would put those political futures at risk to conspire not to look at what amounts to a relatively petty matter. I think if they (especially Biden) went after her it would look much more political if there wasn't much there.
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| Wagner won't go after her because he wants to run for governor in 8 years after Markell finishes. Biden won't say crap because he wants to fill Daddy's shoes. What planet are you on these days Fred?
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Okay, I'll concede the point that they are not at the beck and call of the governor...but do you really think that these two, both of whom have visions of higher office, would do something as obvious as this? I just don't see it, especially when you've got two pretty straight-shooting guys who would love to bring down a seasoned politician.
We'll see, but I will be MORE surprised if Bob gets anywhere with his case...be it procedural, be it evidentiary, but I suspect that he'll have a hard time getting traction.
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