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Posted: Sat Nov 4th, 2006 02:39 am |
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Fred, It is disgraceful for Ms. Wagner who is afterall a teacher to be away from the school while kids are there! No I imagine that DHS is not"turning out widgets." But the community expects teachers to be where the kids are. She is not relieved of this responsibility because she serves as a Legislator.
If she wants to go to meetings and be in touch with her constituents, she needs to resign her position at DHS!!
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Sorry, it doesn't bother me. If it doesn't bother her bosses, and she is getting her job done, why should I care? She is not on an assembly line turning out widgets.
Where I work, our executives often have other boards that they are on. Now, I am not privvy to their payroll records, but I doubt that they deduct the hours they are away from their office to go to these paid board meetings.
At my level, we are encouraged to do such things as Meals on Wheels or Junior Achievement. We don't deduct our pay; the assumption is that we will still get our job done, either by working harder, staying late, or coming in early. Now, this is not a public school, and I am admittedly looking at this from a private sector perspective. I have an employee who can help influence legislation either directly or indirectly that might help my business?
Finally, you really have to look at the overall person. I don't agree with her on all issues, but I can't say that this is enough for me to not vote for her.
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Posted: Fri Nov 3rd, 2006 03:45 am |
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| Say Hi to Ted and John for the rest of us working slobs Fred.
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Well, that is the difference, CR... I think the variety of opinions, a variety of people, a variety of backgrounds, a variety of education and work experience is what makes a party more interesting.....
Which is why I guess I am a Dem.
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I try to stay away from cocktail parties where Kennedy defenders and supporters gather. It is most hazardous to ones health. Now if they serve Heinz Ketchup on the hors d'oeuvres we are really in trouble......(hic!)
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It is only because I am defending a Republican, right? 
Actually, if you take the time to read my posts, you will see that I usually do try to take the side of fairness. I've defended the Foley incident as much as anyone here, because I think he did the right thing given what we know...I am highly critical of his leadership, because someone knew he was doing something, and no one ever took him behind the woodshed and told him to knock it off...and even when he wanted to quit, they threatened his future livelihood as a lobbyist if he didn't run for one more term to keep the seat.
I don't see too many left-wingers throwing the mud that the right-wingers do, but when I think things are way off base (LMAO) I'll call them on that too.
I think the postings do give a one-dimensional approach view of people, sometimes. I suspect that most of us would probably get along pretty well at a cocktail party, and we would temper some of our rhetoric (or,at least our wives would pull us away towards the punch bowl if we got too loud....)
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Most of us would probably get along at a cocktail party indeed. It's nothing personal about Nancy, it's just she's not been watching while many things have gone asunder. No increase in minimum wages, thanks to the GOP House, $2.7 billion short in the Transportation Trust Fund while the GOP House stood by quietly as their leadership kept it quiet. Electric rates that shot through the roof and the GOP led House turned it into a political football by failing to help people when legislation came to them from the Senate in a fair and well intende fashion. Education that has been a failure in CSD while Ms. Wagner was Chair of the House Education Committee. Seems to me, that''s more than enough to call for a "clean sweep". I too saw Nancy in her district, but I also saw Ms. Kaza, who is burning with a desire to help people. She's sent out information that makes some promises and has some clear goals. Ms. Wagner hasn't. It's a difficult choice, but a choice has to be made. My vote goes to the challenger.
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Posted: Thu Nov 2nd, 2006 10:11 pm |
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It is only because I am defending a Republican, right?
Actually, if you take the time to read my posts, you will see that I usually do try to take the side of fairness. I've defended the Foley incident as much as anyone here, because I think he did the right thing given what we know...I am highly critical of his leadership, because someone knew he was doing something, and no one ever took him behind the woodshed and told him to knock it off...and even when he wanted to quit, they threatened his future livelihood as a lobbyist if he didn't run for one more term to keep the seat.
I don't see too many left-wingers throwing the mud that the right-wingers do, but when I think things are way off base (LMAO) I'll call them on that too.
I think the postings do give a one-dimensional approach view of people, sometimes. I suspect that most of us would probably get along pretty well at a cocktail party, and we would temper some of our rhetoric (or,at least our wives would pull us away towards the punch bowl if we got too loud....)
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Fred, this is one of the most excellent, fair and balanced, non-biased responses that I have seen from you in a long, long time. I am in complete agreement with you ... this time.
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Posted: Thu Nov 2nd, 2006 05:03 pm |
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Sorry, it doesn't bother me. If it doesn't bother her bosses, and she is getting her job done, why should I care? She is not on an assembly line turning out widgets.
Where I work, our executives often have other boards that they are on. Now, I am not privvy to their payroll records, but I doubt that they deduct the hours they are away from their office to go to these paid board meetings.
At my level, we are encouraged to do such things as Meals on Wheels or Junior Achievement. We don't deduct our pay; the assumption is that we will still get our job done, either by working harder, staying late, or coming in early. Now, this is not a public school, and I am admittedly looking at this from a private sector perspective. I have an employee who can help influence legislation either directly or indirectly that might help my business?
Finally, you really have to look at the overall person. I don't agree with her on all issues, but I can't say that this is enough for me to not vote for her.
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| Fred it almost sounds like you are on Queen Nancy's payroll. She has been double dipping for more than a decade but that doesn't seem to bother you. I agree the CSD should do something about it. Maybe the lawsuit by this Reeder guy will make them get off their own corrupt butt. Especially if they want another referendum passed.
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Posted: Thu Nov 2nd, 2006 01:29 pm |
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Of all the things to worry about in an election, Nancy Wagner's status at work is of low concern to me. It WAS interesting that they allowed her special privledges such as Comp Time and Flex Time, but did not offer that to other employees....but that is a School District issue, not Nancy's.
I have heard squat from her opponent. I've seen the signs, but I have at least seen Nancy in the neighborhood. I am open-minded to change, but not simply for change sake. Nancy has done nothing so far to deserve to be voted out.
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Posted: Thu Nov 2nd, 2006 12:35 am |
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| Working hard is a relative thing. It depends on what one is working on or who they are working for. If there's anyone unhappy with Nancy, they should vote her out. If they can't vote or don't vote, shut it!
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Posted: Wed Nov 1st, 2006 05:46 pm |
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| Rep Wagner's campaign material says "Nobody Works Harder". I have to agree. No other Delaware Representative has worked as hard to line their pockets with our tax dollars than Nancy has.
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| When Rep. Nancy gets hubby Bud the job especially during a hiring freeze for state employees it is FAIR. Ms. Wagner was even on a legislative task force that filed a written complaint against former DOT Secretary Hayward about nepotism in the hiring process but nary a mention of Bud's hiring. You bet the insertion of Hubby Bud into Nancy Wagner's behavior is FAIR.
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Posted: Wed Nov 1st, 2006 11:49 am |
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| It's what happens, LCR, when you are retired.
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Posted: Wed Nov 1st, 2006 01:31 am |
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You seem to have so much time on your hands following people around, you might want to consider running for office so Ms. Wagner can teach.
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Unfair folks. Ms. Wagner's husband isn't running for office and he does not work for DelDOT, or the Public Defender. He now works for the Department of Correction. As for Ms. Wagner, was she on Capital School District time or on Legislative time when she was in Legislative Hall on Monday afternoon. Just curious.
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| Unfair folks. Ms. Wagner's husband isn't running for office and he does not work for DelDOT, or the Public Defender. He now works for the Department of Correction. As for Ms. Wagner, was she on Capital School District time or on Legislative time when she was in Legislative Hall on Monday afternoon. Just curious.
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| Fred -- you should be happy to learn that during the time Bud Wagner was a CSD Board Member Rep. Nancy was given an additional month on her standard 10 month teaching contract because she claimed she didn't have enough time to finish her school work during the normal school year. Perhaps if she spent more time in her primary job and less time at legislative hall the taxpayer's wouldn't have to pay her an additional 6 to 7 thousand dollars each year. Incidently, during the State of Delaware hiring freeze several ago husband Bud Wagner got a nice high paying job with the Department of Transportation. Of course, Nancy had nothing to do with it!!!!
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Posted: Sun Sep 24th, 2006 01:54 pm |
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Poltergeist wrote: DissolveCapital wrote: I'd like to hear from someone close to DHS on this question? Does Rep Nancy Wagner actually teach at your school??
The silence is deafening...
It seems there are several possibilities for the lack of DHS response:
1. No one from DHS reads these posts
2. Nancy is not well-known within the school
3. Nancy has a such a strangle hold on things people there are afraid to respond.
In the meantime I am still waiting for an answer. I can't even find one on the district website!
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Posted: Sun Sep 24th, 2006 12:00 pm |
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| Oops, LCR. You're showing your lack of knowledge, again. Kaza is not a doctor.
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Posted: Sun Sep 24th, 2006 01:05 am |
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| Ms. Kaza is a physician so I doubt she will be a full time politician.
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| If ever there was a time for change, this is it. Look at the record. Nancy has been a good legislator. Nancy has been vocal for her constituents. Nancy has been prolific in her legislative introductions. Problem is, Nancy is a "has been". Time for a change. Lets ask if she believes in making the legislature subject to FOIA. I'd doubt it! Ms. Kaza has said that she believes in more open government, and will be a full time legislator. That has my vote!
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Posted: Sat Sep 23rd, 2006 03:21 pm |
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Mr. Anderson,
She is a career politician. She is taking two paychecks from the state. We need genuine representation in Dover from real working people. Nancy's served her time (perhaps admirably). I am not sure Kaza is the answer either. But I will tell you this, Legislative Hall should not be a Hall of networkers and compromisers. Rather it should be the place where the needs of all Delawareans are openly discussed and met. Nancy's brash, insensitive style of leadership excludes a large portion of her constituency. It may not happen this round, but Nancy needs to be voted out!
Frankly Mr. Anderson I am surprised that your words are so warm and cozy! I hope you have not lost touch with what needs to happen in Dover. I support you because of the unique working class qualities that you will bring to leadership.
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curiousindover wrote: What surprises me is how many bills Nancy introduces that never get passed. If people realized that legislators get publicity simply for introducing laws, they'd be offended.
Bottom line is that Nancy has gotten precious few pieces of legislation passed since entering the state legislature. and she ignores the truly needed when working her bills.
She has a pretty good ratio for passage. She has gotten more passed in one year than several have gotten passed in their entire carreers. Look at the record over the last 4 years. Add to that some items end up in a changed form in a committee bill with a different lead sponsor. Yes, frankly, there are a few bills, I hope don't pass. We have a somewhat different view of government power.
I am glad that sometimes she will introduce legislation at the request of citizens trying to bring up issues. Educating people on issues and building momentum for change is not a knock against someone.
She is a believer in Initiative and Referendum (a co-sponsor or prime house sponsor every session). She has also introduced common sense amendments which protect people's rights.
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| I defend what I think is fair. I enjoy fair criticism of anyone, but have taken exception when those who aren't making headway with the facts veer off into personal attacks, or side issues. I don't see the big issue with this.
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| It seems the Capital School District created this "Tech Prep" Teacher position to win the favor of the District Nancy represents. I have no problem with this from Nancy's position. The Capital School District however continues to demonstrate poor use of its taxpayer resources. Dissolve Capital! Dissolve it now!!
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Fred, you're defending a "Republican"?????????
I put the word "republican" in quotes because Nancy Wagner is no more a true Republican than I am the Queen of England.
She's far more to your liking, a nanny-statist.
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| Perhaps, but I have heard squat from her opponent. I saw her in my neighborhood this past weekend, but there has been no visits or literature from him.
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What surprises me is how many bills Nancy introduces that never get passed. If people realized that legislators get publicity simply for introducing laws, they'd be offended.
Bottom line is that Nancy has gotten precious few pieces of legislation passed since entering the state legislature. and she ignores the truly needed when working her bills.
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Posted: Tue Sep 19th, 2006 11:09 pm |
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The original point was not that she was "double dipping"; she of course, is. Her opponent raised the issue of that when she left work early during which she had "planning time" as what she was supposed to be doing at the school.
She did. Now, how big of a deal is this? I am not sure if other teachers leave the building, but would not be surprised if this was true. I suspect she got her planning done at other times, either while sitting around at the legislature, or after she got home. Is it important enough, however, to raise as a campaign issue?
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The thing that always suprised me about Nancy was her naivete when first elected. She got a pay check as a legislator, and had to ask if it was for her. She did not know about the pay, that showed me that aleast she ran with good intentions and not to get rich. She seems to be a pretty good advocate for her district. Her opponent used to work with me. She strock me as book smart but common sense dumb.
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davidlanderson wrote: To the serious issue of what has Nancy Wagner done: She is one of the most prolific legislators. Go to http://www.legis.state.de.us/LIS/lis143.nsf/vwLegBySponsor?OpenView&Start=63.54&Count=30&Expand=63#63
She has 69 pieces this term including some important issues. Agree or disagree with her, she has worked hard and taken stands on Freedom of Information, Initiative and Referendum, education reform, better foster care reporting and tracking, and recognizing military spouses. She was the author of the scholarships for associate degrees for every young high school graduate.
Knock her or love her, but don't slander her. I talk with the staff and get the behind the scenes appraisals. She is viewed as one of the most contiencious legislators. I have always found her studied and passionate. We have had hearty agruments and worked together. We have always respected one another even in our most bitter disagreements.
Mr. Anderson elections are not supposed to be about personalities nor are they about work ethic. Rather they are about vying to represent a constituency. I am not slandering Rep Wagner. I want to know what she does at DHS. Is she "double dipping"? These are relevant questions - not slander.
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| Mrs. Wagner's job at Dover High is to help students obtain employment. She has been a teacher for MANY years at Dover High (she was my english teacher more than 14 years ago). Mrs. Wagner fights for what is right and I am sure she would love to meet with you and discuss her political background with you if you want to call her. Her number is in the phone book.
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LCR. The candidates for 31st District Representative are:
Prameela Kaza-D and Nancy Wagner-R
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| Unfortunately this includes the folks who were eliminated in the primaries. Does anyone have a final list now that the filimg date has passed?
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The full list of candidates for office this November...
http://www.state.de.us/doe_kent/information/2006-Candidate-Filing.shtml
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| I would like to know who is running against her. I know two teachers at DHS and they were not willing to say what Nancy does. I think the public deserves to know....Is this politics as usual?? Why isn't anyone willing to talk about this?
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DissolveCapital wrote: I'd like to hear from someone close to DHS on this question? Does Rep Nancy Wagner actually teach at your school??
The silence is deafening...
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| I would love to see a legislator (of any party) who will start repealling these massive volumes of laws, codes, and regulations that sit upon our shoulders as a boulder.
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A hearty "hear, hear" to DavidLanderson, and I agree because I've seen the same things he sees in Nancy Wagner. She is a good one, and I won't hesitate to cross party lines for her.
(However, I wonder if Senator Swill will object to Democrats voting for Nancy like he objected to Allsopp and Nixon reaching out to independents).
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Diogenes wrote:
On the other issue you raise, if our legislators are part-timers, why do we give them benefits? Do you know of any other part-time job with a retirement plan? And I think they are pretty well compensated for the "work" they do.
In six terms in the state House, what are Rep. Wagner's accomplishments? How many terms did she serve before she submitted a bill? Or how about our senator, John Still? Has he ever proposed a bill that did not pertain to his day job? Oh yeah, he did want to protect marriage from the onslaught of homosexuals. What a guy!
Yes, I have one--the National Guard. Another one was when I was part-time as a Pizza Hut Delivery driver. It had a better retirement than my full time job with a great 401K. I kept the job for a few years just because of the retirement matching and plans. So don't hate just look harder. I will gladly sign you up for the Army National Guard...great retirement and paid travel.
To the serious issue of what has Nancy Wagner done: She is one of the most prolific legislators. Go to http://www.legis.state.de.us/LIS/lis143.nsf/vwLegBySponsor?OpenView&Start=63.54&Count=30&Expand=63#63
She has 69 pieces this term including some important issues. Agree or disagree with her, she has worked hard and taken stands on Freedom of Information, Initiative and Referendum, education reform, better foster care reporting and tracking, and recognizing military spouses. She was the author of the scholarships for associate degrees for every young high school graduate.
Knock her or love her, but don't slander her. I talk with the staff and get the behind the scenes appraisals. She is viewed as one of the most contiencious legislators. I have always found her studied and passionate. We have had hearty agruments and worked together. We have always respected one another even in our most bitter disagreements.
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Posted: Fri Sep 8th, 2006 01:18 am |
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| I'd like to hear from someone close to DHS on this question? Does Rep Nancy Wagner actually teach at your school??
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I don't think that is quite fair to Nancy....She is listed as a "tech prep coordinator", which I have no idea means, but it is still a teaching position (even winning a state wide competition as Walmart's teacher of the year).
I tend to think that employers, be they lawyers or teachers or other positions, get their money's worth from having their employer's as legislators. The positive publicity itself is a good thing....and if Nancy gets a bone or two for Capitol, it probably doesn't hurt,either.
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Diogenes wrote:
DISSOLVECAPITAL...Dissolve it now...
It is my understanding that Rep. Wagner no longer teaches, but that the district has given her one of the several specially created positions that Capital uses for people who need to leave their current position. (They invented a position for a principal who had to leave Central Middle a couple of years ago.)
If this is true this is an absolute outrage!!! Rep Wagner could help herself by introducing legislation to eliminate fraud like this!!
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I agree with you Fred, about part-time legislators. I don't really think career politicians were what the founding fathers had in mind........
How legislators who work in the private sector work theings out with their employers is of no never mind to me, nor for those who are retired from some type of civil servant work. Wheere my concern is those who continue to be on the taxpayer payroll, while serving as an elected official at any level if the elected position takes time away from their taxpayer funded job.
I also agree with Diogenes, in regard to them being paid as full time employees with all accompanying benefits.
John Still and I never saw eye to eye on issues of concern to me, I never supported him, and I never voted for him...however, in his defense in regard to having not gotten any legislation enacted, one must remember he is a Republican in a long Democrat controlled chamber. In that position, the only way of getting anything of concern to him passed was to either get a Democrat Senator to sponsor it and he be the co-sponsor..........Or get it initiated as a Republican bill in the House.
But on the main issues of the thread...........part-time status...it is a bi-partisan thing. Double dipping at the public trough occurs on both sides of the aisle adn at all levels.
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Posted: Thu Sep 7th, 2006 03:58 pm |
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From experience, Nancy Wagner is one of the few Republicans who have avoided or stood up to Senator Swill's Napoleon complex. She is also one of the few (if any) republicans I will vote for in November.
The problem races this year are against Tommy "Queen" Wagner and Ron "Blank Check" Smith.
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Posted: Thu Sep 7th, 2006 03:05 pm |
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It is my understanding that Rep. Wagner no longer teaches, but that the district has given her one of the several specially created positions that Capital uses for people who need to leave their current position. (They invented a position for a principal who had to leave Central Middle a couple of years ago.)
On the other issue you raise, if our legislators are part-timers, why do we give them benefits? Do you know of any other part-time job with a retirement plan? And I think they are pretty well compensated for the "work" they do.
In six terms in the state House, what are Rep. Wagner's accomplishments? How many terms did she serve before she submitted a bill? Or how about our senator, John Still? Has he ever proposed a bill that did not pertain to his day job? Oh yeah, he did want to protect marriage from the onslaught of homosexuals. What a guy!
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Posted: Thu Sep 7th, 2006 02:14 pm |
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First, I suspect many representatives and senators figure out a way to get time from their employers to support their second job as legislators. Second, I think I prefer to have part time legislators rather then full time people....If they are full time they will push for more money, benefits, etc.
If she booked out of school during her planning time (which is time given to her for preperation of classes)...is this right? If she worked for a non-governmental agency, she probably would not have this time, but if there was....would it come down to how many hours she puts in, or how she does her job?
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